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Rectifying with Navamsa - the S. Rath method

topic posted Mon, August 9, 2004 - 10:07 PM by Sadasiva

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OK i have the Sanjay Rath handout from ACVA 2003 about the Navamsa. innate skills being shown from planets in
trines from the swamsa and karakamsa. There does not seem to be a clear distinction in this material between the
karakamsa and the swamsa (navamsa lagna) when looking for innate abilities.
Am I reading this correctly?
What is the difference between planets in trines from the swamsa and in trines from the karakamsa? My insinct is from
swamsa these are more physical abilities, like playing an instrument or math. From karakamsa, more soul lessons like
siddhis or special types of Vidya that will compel toward deeper soul knowledge through the use of these skills.
I have not found a consistent way to apply this and i am looking for a better means of rectification.
navamsa = 9th harmonic
karakamsa = Atma KAraka (planet with highest degrees from main chart) in the navmsa
Swamsa = ascendant in the navamsa
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In general for rectification with the person's skills and abilities use the svamsa (navamsa lagna). First house
showing natural in-born abilites, 5th showing things they learned but still have natural skill and ability with, 9th
house showing what they are good at but after having studied and worked at it.
A few notes to add on navamsa rectification:
If Saturn is conjuct an inimical planet in these positions it will delay the results, for example Moon and
Saturn in svamsa, will make some one who is a singer with great stage fright who will not be able to open
up there voice fully till after saturn maturity at 35.
Planets in 6,8 or 12 will often give opposite results; for example, Ketu in the 5th makes one have good
mathmatical abilities (ease working with numbers) and in the 6th the person will dislike numbers and even
balancing their check book will be avoided.
If the planet isn't there but is lording the sign it can have an effect but much more slightly. For example,
Moon gives singing and Sun gives rythm and instruments, so if you have a bass guitarist and you are
debating between a Cancer and Leo navamsa lagna you would definately go Leo, but you wouldn't predict

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otherwise from it.

Venus in the 12th as karaka for marriage in the D-9 will make a person not interested in marriage. Venus
afflicted in D-9 will have similar results.
Atmakaraka in svamsa will make a person born into a well to do family, if it only lords svamsa the family will
have potential but may have to rise to affluence. If AK is in the 7th house the person will rise to affluence
after marriage. AK in the 8th house will cause chronic diseases, and six house will give similar results
(remedied by fasting on full Moons).
And then back to an old post, the sexuality of the person indicated by the navams is often a great source of
rectification. Moon in 7th or trines makes a very horny person. Also check out the 2nd house in the
navamsa rule with Mars and Venus aspects, its in the first book of Jaimini, but shows how faithful or not a
person is. This helps me in rectification a lot as well.
Jaimini gives little distinction between Karakamsa and Svamsa, but for rectification svamsa is what is used.
Maybe we can get Visti to give us a clear difference between what we look at from svamsa verse from
karakamsa and why.
Hey Visti, where are you? Hook us up.
Namah Sivaya
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Visti

Wed, August 11, 2004 -

12:12 AM

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|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Sam and List, Namaskar
Sorry for being out for sooo long, was preparing for conferences. Just came back from the London
conference which was all-good. Sanjayji taught some excellent stuff on Prasna there, which will reaally
benefit those who get the handouts. (see the links on www.srijagannath.org).
As for Sva-Amsa, it means own amsa, or that amsa of your self.
Now the results for Svamsa can be judged from Karakamsa or Navamsa Lagna, but there is a very
distinct difference between the two.
Those results given from Navamsa Lagna are the known abilities which you apply and manifest in this
world. I.e. Moon in trines to Navamsa Lagna gives a melodious voice and good singing ability - this will
also have an impact on ones personality and make one cool and soothing in the company of others.
Mars gives one the ability to wield weapons and fight -such people usually learn martial arts, and as a
result they can be shorttempered due to the fire of Mars.
These also have an impact on ones appearance, as malefics will cause a very muscular build due to the
hard work put in - benefics will instead give an untrained body as they tend to put the native behind a
desk all the time (like astrologers). Offcourse for the bodily traits we must analyze the Rasi Lagna as
well, to see whether the body is able to build strong muscles.
Theres a small clue to quickly identify the native's profession from these steps.
In this manor we analyze the trines to Navamsa Lagna. As soon as we talk of Karakamsa, its all about
the Soul and what the soul wants for this birth. This arises from the concept of Atma Bala, or strength of
the soul to change events.
Hence the planets in trines to Karakamsa can indicate which traits or abilities one desires to attain. The
planets placed from Karakamsa can also reveal some deep-ingrain attitudes towards life, this is best
excemplified as follows:
The 2nd from Svamsa has an impact on ones wealth. Nodal axis along this 2nd/8th axis surely causes
poverty once in life. If this happens from Navamsa Lagna the poverty comes to you, whilst if read from
Karakamsa the soul desires poverty and despises wealth - may be a renunciate.

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The trines to the Karakamsa housing malefics indicates the power of the atma to change events - this
can be through mantra, tantra or yantra - benefics will not like to use any means to force the souls
desires upon others, hence they cause the person to be eloquent, good to others, etc.
The highest point of Rajya Yoga occurs when the desires of the soul and the inborn traits are merged
causing no disharmony. This happens when the karakamsa and Navamsa Lagna are the same. Such
people rise to high positions in life. This also occurs when the two points in the chart are connected
through other planets/lordships.
Because Parasara mentioned that the marriage is seen from the Navamsa, this also shows ones
sexuality as mentioned by Freedom. The Karaka for sex and marriage is Venus, so Venus' placement in
the Navamsa becomes important. Similarly we look at the Sun in Vimsamsa for spirituality and Jupiter in
Siddhamsa for knowledge. 12th house is a very inauspicious placement for the Karaka, in those vargas
and can deny the results of the Varga all-together.
But do not open the Vargas until seeing the Rasi in detail. Here's a quick tip to see the sexual urge of a
person "More planets in quadrants to the Lagna causes a higher sexual urge". Here it becomes necessary to
differentiate between malefics and benefics. Above all it is necessary to advise the person not to
renounce life or keep celibacy if there are many planets in quadrants.
The higher the sexual urge the more intense the desire for sex can be. If the planets in quadrants are
malefics, the native may take on evil means to release this urge - this can be very disastrous causing
harm on others. Benefics will not harm others, but the urge will destroy their intelligence and can cause
times of madness and depression.
These negative traits are especially so if the planets in quadrants are debilitated, however when exalted
will give the native high ideals and norms which they will attempt to live upto - i.e. staying celibate until
marriage or until completing a certain task set-out from birth. Either way this sexual power is very strong.
It is from this sexual power that the Kundalini rises - this is why the sexual urge can become so
distructive. Preferably benefics are in quadrants to make such a native cause release of these energies
through mantras or meditation, other malefics require a physical release.
Best Baba Blessings,
Visti
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Sada...

Wed, August 11, 2004 -

10:14 AM
Many Pranams to Freedom-ji and Visti-ji. This will help me greatly.
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Jaya jyoti vidya!

namah Sivaya

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Hey Visti,
I tried to find the Prasna article on srijagannath.org/ but was unable to find it, are you sure its there
(and where). I see you lectured on Moola dasa in London, did you have a hand out for that? Or is it
possible to read your article anywhere.

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Look forward to seeing you in the bay in a few weeks.

Namah Sivaya
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afor

Thu, December 30, 2010

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Let me see if I can draw attention of Visti, Freedom or Sadasivamji.

If anyone else can describe then please do hare knowledge.
Can someone cut and paste to describe what skill each planet would represent in trines to Swamsa
and Karakamsa lagna? e.g. MOON In navamsa lagna (Swamsa) means good singing skill. What would
rahu, JUP, VEN etc etc would mean in trines from (and in) swamsa and karakamsa?
Thanks in advance.
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Oh yeah Freedom and Visti - i forgot to ask - I assume that much of these navamsa methods come from
Jaimini Sutras as they closely parallel in particular adhyaya 1 pada 2. Are you reckoning these placements
in reverse for even (female) rashis as the maharishi seems to indicate? I have never seen this mentioned in
any of your posts.
Also i do not see where in Jaimini Sutras the maharishi talks about the swamsa (navamsa lagna),. adhyaya
1 - pada 2 is all about the karakamsa, no? Is there another Chapter in the Upadesa Sutras that I am not
seeing or that is beiong interpreted to indicated these things. I have not found extensive comment on
swamsa. Is there another source for this interpretation and techniques?
Either way i find it interesting and i am trying to use it better. I have been using rashis from the karakamsa
(forward for odd rashis and reverse for even) with pretty good results. Seems to indicate those innate
abilities. strange confluence though.
Using the S. Rath System per the ACVA handout:
Using swamsa - i have sun in 5th (moving forward that is even though it is a female rashi) which is
supposed to make good rhythm and proficiency with instruments. According to your system. (cannot find
this in JAimini sutras though)
Using what i perceive to be from Jaimini Sutras:
Using karakamsa - Saturn in Virgo (thus counted in reverse) My exalted moon in taurus is in 5th from
KArakamsa
adhyaya 1 - pada 2 - sutra 112:
SU. 112. -Chandreana sankf_iyayogagnaha sahityagno gayakascha. . If Chandra joins 1st or 5th of
Karakamsa, the person becomes clever in sankhyasastra, learned in language, poetry, drama and
attendant subjects, will have great proficiency in music and other accomplishments.
ALL very true,,. not to mention several earlier sutras revolving around the MOon and writing skills. And
although i do not have these conjunctions with other planets, the common denominator here is that the
Moon in 5th gives Writing skills.
SU. 102. Matapitroschandragturubhyam grantha If Chandra and Guru are in the Karakamsa or in the 5th
from it, the person will become an author and will live by writing books.
SU. 103. - Sukrena kinchidoonam. If Chandra and Sukra join Karakamsa or the 5th house from it, the

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SU. I 04.-Bzidhena tato api. The person becomes still less famous than in the above Sutra if Budha joins
Chandra instead of Sukra in Karakamsa or the 5th from it.
Cool, please advise further about these techniques.
namah Sivaya
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Mon, August 16, 2004 -

10:28 PM

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Only have a short moment online, so will comment on one or two things, more later. (I'm in Ukia, thinking
of maybe going to Shasta for a few days).
Most of the techniques are Jaimini and Parasara's chapter on Karakamsa, have you ever compared the
two texts on the same subject, so much is exactly the same (especially when you look at the sanskrit,
Jaimini just paraphrases a little more). Though Visti uses many other sources of sanskrit texts.
I have not seen svamsa and karakamsa being reckoned zodiacally and anti zodiacally. I only know two
cases to use this; in the saptamsa for calculating children, and from the Arudha Lagna for calculating
siblings.
Svamsa means sva-self, and amsa-division, so literally it means the place that shows you. It's exact
representing point can change according to situation of what you are looking at. Visti and I use it to
primarily mean navamsa lagna for cutting out some confusion (as this is the primary signification), but it
can mean karakamasa, other times it can mean Lagnamsa, so cuts out some confusion (esp on the net)
if we all agree to use it to mean a similar thing.
Namah Sivaya

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Tue, August 17, 2004 -

9:51 AM

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yes i use the term "swamsa" in the same way. so we can forget the term.
the questions are:
Where is it in JAimini Sutras to use the navamsa lagna rather than the karakamsa (the rashi in the
navamsa that holds the atma karaka) or where is the source to use the lagna. I have not searched
parashara, is it in BPHS? because jaimini only mentions karakamsa as far as i have seen.
And do you count in reverse for odd rashis?
thanks
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|Hare Rama Krsna|

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Hi there!
Freedom made me take a look at the messages.
Actually you should apply all principles from both Karakamsa and Navamsa Lagna (note that the
word lagnaamsa can also mean the rasi lagna-sign in the navamsa).
The difference is that the Karakamsa shows the desire of the Atma for this birth - i.e. kemadruma
yoga from Navamsa lagna shows poverty, but Kemadruma Yoga from Karakamsa shows a soul
who hates money.
Special powers of mantra, tantra or yantras depends on the power of the Atma/soul, hence such
things must be seen from Karakamsa.
In this mannor we judge between the two.
Best Baba blessings,
Visti.
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Wed, August 25,

2004 - 2:01 PM

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Dear Visti,
as always, thanks for your explanation. There is really some strange karma surrounding this
question that i have posed many times..
My question is not about the teaching. Yes i know the theory that S. Rath and his students, like
yourself and Freedom explain. My question is WHERE DOES THIS TEACHING ORIGINATE?
that is all i am asking.
And do you count in reverse for even rashis and is usually indicated.
recopied from a previous post:
"Where is it in JAimini Sutras to use the navamsa lagna rather than the karakamsa (the rashi in the
navamsa that holds the atma karaka) or where is the source to use the lagna. I have not searched
parashara, is it in BPHS? because jaimini only mentions karakamsa as far as i have seen.
And do you count in reverse for odd rashis?"
Note: Since then i have serched BPHS and not found this. If it is not in either, that is OK - if it is
something that S. Rath has interpreted, again that is OK. I just want to know the origin of this idea,
I want to know if i am missing something.
Shanti
Sadasiva
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Visti

Thu, August 26,

2004 - 6:09 PM

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|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Sadashiva,
Its from the lineage of Sri Achyuta Dasa.
Best Baba blessings, Visti.
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Visti

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2004 - 6:10 PM

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Btw - No there is no reverse counting from Karakamsa, as far as we've learnt.

- Visti.
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Free...

Thu, August 26,

2004 - 6:26 PM

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Jaimini is written in very short verse and is very encoded. Many things need to be infered from
previos verses.
Upadesa Sutras 1.2.1
atha swamsa grahanam
atha (now this) swamsa (the division of the self/division of signification) grahanam (planets)
now the results of swamsa will be explained

[it does not say karakamsa or navamsa lagna, all this is the result of translators. Later verses
don't even mention anything:
1.2.14
tatra ravay rajakaaryparah
tatra (There), ravay (ravi-Sun), Raja-King, Karaya-working
The Sun there will make one work for the king/goverment

So it is not saying take from karakamsa, some interpret svamsa as karakamsa, because
Parashara spent a whole chapter on karakamsa. Note though in that chapter that Parasara said
all the rules from karakamsa can also work from Arudha Lagna. Jaimini makes it even more
broad assuming you know the significations to see from which point/Lagna.

Why would you take the svama zodiacal verse anti zodiacal? What shastra (text) has ever
mentioned this. It is used for children and siblings in the D-3, D-7, and looking at siblings from
the AL. There is no reason to take it otherwise.
Namah Sivaya
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dear freedom and visti,

thanks for clarifying the origin of your interpretation for me.
Yes i know the Sutras are very cryptic,,.
Counting rashis in reverse order?
From Jaimini Sutras

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After defining the karakas, etc. Jaimini writes

Adhyaya 1 Pada 1
SU. 25.-Pracheevruttirvishamabheshu. In all odd signs the counting must be in the right
direction.
SU. 26. - Paravrutyottareshu. In even signs the counting must be in the reverse order.
(S. RAO translation)
NOTES Take Vrishabha and we want the 6th from it. There we get
Vrishabha, Mesha, Meena, Kumbha, Makara and Dhanus. Take Thula. It is an odd sign,
suppose we want the 4th. Then Thula, Vrischika, Dhanus and Makara. Take Vrischika and we
want the 6th from it. Then we have Vrischika, Thula, Kanya, Simha, Kataka and Mithuna. In
fact, in all odd signs the procedure is in the right direction. in even signs we count backwards
like the movements of Rahu and Ketu in reverse order.
After these two sutras comes the famous:
SU. 27.-Nakwachit.
S Rao says it means: "In some places or signs this does not apply." I do not know Sanskrit
as well as others but i have been have been told this literally means, "not sometimes" or
something equally vague, which has been interpreted many ways.

namah sivaya
Sam
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Wed, August 25,

2004 - 2:52 PM
Visti,
You wrote: The difference is that the Karakamsa shows the desire of the Atma for this birth - i.e.
kemadruma yoga from Navamsa lagna shows poverty, but Kemadruma Yoga from Karakamsa
shows a soul who hates money.
I don't know if I'm missing something, but to make things clear I know there are many forms of
Kemadruma Yoga as follows:
1. When Anapha (a planet 12th from the Moon-minus Sun, Rahu and Ketu), Sunapha (a true
planet 2nd from the Moon-minus Sun, Rahu and Ketu) or Durdhara Yogas (which a combination
of Anapha and Sunapha) are not present. This Kemadruma Yoga can be ameliated aka
"canceled" by certain factors, but all these factors are based from the Moon.
2. The Moon with the Sun, aspected by a debilitated planet, and in a malefic's navamsa.
3. The Moon with Rahu or Ketu, and aspected by a malefic.
4. The Moon with Rahu or Ketu, and aspected by a benefic overcome in a planetary war.
5. The Moon in a moveable rasi and navamsa, in a malefic's navamsa, aspected by an inimical
planet, and not aspected by Jupiter.
6. The malefic Moon conjunct a malefic, occupying, during a night birth, a malefic rasi or
navamsa, and aspected by the 10th lord.

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7. The malefic Moon in the 8th, influenced by a malefic during a night birth.
8. The malefic Moon with a malefic, aspecting the 9th lord, and debilitated in the navamsa.
9. The malefic Moon debilitated during a night birth.
Did you mean some other yoga which is usually based on the Lagna and not the Moon.
Hari Om,
Prashanti
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Visti

Thu, August 26,

2004 - 6:13 PM
|Hare Rama Krsna|
Dear Prashanti,
A Malefic in the 2nd house (from Lagna, Lagnapada, Karakamsa or Navamsa Lagna) is
enough to cause some kemadruma yoga. The worst is when Nodes are along the 2nd/8th
houses, aspected by the Moon -Jaimini's Upadesa Sutra.
Best Baba Blessings,
Visti.

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nimisha

Mon, February

18, 2008 - 4:50 AM

hi
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In my cahrt Sun, ketu and jupiter are in 10th house in navamsa. Sun is the atmakarak. So the
Sun ketu jupiter are in karakamsa and also mars is in 5th from Karakamsa. I definitely have a
desire to study mathematics. But what does it tell about my abilities in doing so?
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Mon,

February 18, 2008 - 5:29 AM

Also I would like to mention that lagnamsa being Virgo, Su Ke Ju have a Rashi drishti on
lagnamsa
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Vajra

Mon,

February 18, 2008 - 11:39 PM

"But what does it tell about my abilities in doing so? ""
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You might use mantra shastra to improve your abilities in mathematics

and as there is Mars, the means how to achieve that arent so well balanced,
depending on spiritual development of native.
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February 19, 2008 - 1:40 AM

thanks bamboo
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