Berlin Wall Interview: Interviewers: Lena and Liesel Kemmelmeier Interviewee: Peter Baldwin

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Berlin Wall Interview

Interviewers: Lena and Liesel Kemmelmeier

Interviewee: Peter Baldwin

Peter Baldwin is a professor at the University of California Los Angeles and researches
comparative history of modern Europe and the United States. In addition, Baldwin has
also visited Berlin multiple times in the late 70s.
Interviewer: How did Post-War Berlin impact the Cold War?
Peter: The division of Berlin meant that the Cold War confrontation had a focal point to play out
in, a place where the confrontation between East and West was concentrated and flared up
continuously.

Interviewer: How was the Berlin Walls division an obstacle for Soviet and Cold
War-agents?
Peter: Only insofar as before the Wall it was easier for agents from both sides to get in and out
of the other sphere. Berlin before the Wall was the only place where the East and West had an
open border to each other. That is why the Wall was eventually built, because too many East
Germans were fleeing to the West in the early 1960s and East Germany was losing too many
of its trained workers- doctors, engineers and the like who could get good jobs in the West.

Interviewer: Did ideals help define Soviet and American powers? Can this
difference be applied to East and West Berlin?
Peter: Berlin was where the Communist East and the free-market Capitalist West faced each
other most dramatically. When you went across the wall from West to East Berlin (which I did
many times back in the late 1970s) it was like travelling 50 years into the past. The East was
run-down, poor, dimly-lit. The stores had nothing to buy in them. The buildings were
unrenovated, still pocked with bullet holes from the war. Grim-faced policeman were
everywhere. It was like walking into a 1930s movie, an absolutely extraordinary contrast.
Indeed, it was almost as though society was black and white, like a movie. They had no money
for paint so basically by the 1970s, the last time anything had been given a fresh coat of paint
was in the 30s, half a century earlier. Everything was grey.

Interviewer: How did the Berlin Wall involve multiple powers?

Peter: The Wall involved the four occupying powers, with the Soviets having half of Berlin
(which by the way was the old downtown area with most of the official building, while the
western part of Berlin was the more residential area around the Kurfrstendamm). The western
half was then divided among the western allies, via the Americans, British, and the French. But
those zones werent really divided among each other, so basically the division was between
East and West.

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