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Shuggie Bain
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Shuggie Bain is one of those novels where, for me, the form let down the content. This is a story about alcoholism, abuse, and poverty, and it is unremitting in its depiction of those things. For all its heavy subject matter, though, it left me largely impassive. It felt like the more the narrative wanted me to feel, the less I actually felt.
The crux of my problem with this novel is its form--that is, its narrative structure and writing style. The writing in Shuggie Bain falls under the weight of its story, not necessarily on a sentence-by-sentence basis, but on a more holistic level.
The narrative, here, suffers from a kind of stasis: it's repetitive, lacking dynamism in both character and plot. Over and over again we see Agnes, the main character in Shuggie Bain aside from Shuggie himself, engage in the same cycle of abuse: she drinks, she gets herself into increasingly precarious situations, she tries to quit drinking, she is seemingly on the mend, and then she relapses. Of course, I can recognize that this kind of cycle exists for many of those who have struggled with substance abuse; I never expected Agnes to get over years of substance abuse after a single attempt to quit drinking. My issue is that narratively, it didn't make for very engaging reading. It's one thing to be reading about the same plot point happening over and over again; it's another thing to have that plot point be about substance abuse, physical abuse, and sexual abuse. The end result was that not only did I start to get impatient with the novel, but I also just started to feel increasingly distanced from and indifferent to its story.
More than that, though, I felt like I never got to know the characters beyond their suffering. There were a few scenes here and there that had genuinely earnest and caring character interactions, but beyond that it was just more of the same: characters either inflicting or being subjected to abuse.
To put it simply, Shuggie Bain largely prioritized the situational over the psychological: the overwhelming need to buy alcohol when you're already extremely financially straitened, the binge drinking and subsequent blackouts, the vulnerability that comes with being a child of an alcoholic mother. What I wanted from Shuggie Bain was to emphasize the psychological alongside the situational, to give me a closer look into the thoughts and emotions of its characters, to make me feel like I knew them and not just the things they did or the things that happened to them.
I want to tread carefully here because I don't want my criticism of this book to be "it was too depressing." Depressing things happen in the world; it feels like a bit of a disservice to call experiences that many people have gone through "too depressing," especially for a novel like this where, I believe, at least some of the story is autobiographical. My problem is not that it was a depressing story, but that it wasn't a particularly well told one.
I know I've been talking about the form and content of a novel as if they're two separate things, but really when it comes down to it, they're inextricable. The content doesn't exist without the form. When a story isn't told well, it doesn't matter how good or bad it is; the end result is just a poorly told story.
(Thanks so much Grove Atlantic for providing me with an e-ARC of this via NetGalley!)
The crux of my problem with this novel is its form--that is, its narrative structure and writing style. The writing in Shuggie Bain falls under the weight of its story, not necessarily on a sentence-by-sentence basis, but on a more holistic level.
The narrative, here, suffers from a kind of stasis: it's repetitive, lacking dynamism in both character and plot. Over and over again we see Agnes, the main character in Shuggie Bain aside from Shuggie himself, engage in the same cycle of abuse: she drinks, she gets herself into increasingly precarious situations, she tries to quit drinking, she is seemingly on the mend, and then she relapses. Of course, I can recognize that this kind of cycle exists for many of those who have struggled with substance abuse; I never expected Agnes to get over years of substance abuse after a single attempt to quit drinking. My issue is that narratively, it didn't make for very engaging reading. It's one thing to be reading about the same plot point happening over and over again; it's another thing to have that plot point be about substance abuse, physical abuse, and sexual abuse. The end result was that not only did I start to get impatient with the novel, but I also just started to feel increasingly distanced from and indifferent to its story.
More than that, though, I felt like I never got to know the characters beyond their suffering. There were a few scenes here and there that had genuinely earnest and caring character interactions, but beyond that it was just more of the same: characters either inflicting or being subjected to abuse.
To put it simply, Shuggie Bain largely prioritized the situational over the psychological: the overwhelming need to buy alcohol when you're already extremely financially straitened, the binge drinking and subsequent blackouts, the vulnerability that comes with being a child of an alcoholic mother. What I wanted from Shuggie Bain was to emphasize the psychological alongside the situational, to give me a closer look into the thoughts and emotions of its characters, to make me feel like I knew them and not just the things they did or the things that happened to them.
I want to tread carefully here because I don't want my criticism of this book to be "it was too depressing." Depressing things happen in the world; it feels like a bit of a disservice to call experiences that many people have gone through "too depressing," especially for a novel like this where, I believe, at least some of the story is autobiographical. My problem is not that it was a depressing story, but that it wasn't a particularly well told one.
I know I've been talking about the form and content of a novel as if they're two separate things, but really when it comes down to it, they're inextricable. The content doesn't exist without the form. When a story isn't told well, it doesn't matter how good or bad it is; the end result is just a poorly told story.
(Thanks so much Grove Atlantic for providing me with an e-ARC of this via NetGalley!)
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You were able to put into words what I've been feeling since I finished it. I knew I struggled without a character arc or anything redemptive, and I didn't understand the point. Unless you really have not seen alcoholism and its effects--this book does give you that. But imagine if we would have had even half of the book be about Shuggie grown and reflecting on his life and how everything affected him--even that would have been more interesting.
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I’m about 3/4 through the book and continuing because it’s for a book club. I completely agree with your review. This book reminds me of “A Tree Gows in Brooklyn “ and “Angela’s Ashes” which I loved and could figure why I don’t like this book. Your review puts it perfectly!
100% agree with your review. You stated it so much better than I did, but my criticism was essentially the same. Very well expressed on your part.
Finally I found someone who felt exactly the way I did about this novel. Needless to say that, in my opinion, this is the best review of it I've come across to. Excellent and very well articulated.
Completely agree with ‘the more the narrative wanted me to feel, the less I actually felt’...all looks but no heart. All I got was description. Another reviewer here nailed it also, detail confused with depth. At the beginning it seemed like a great story was emerging and it was exciting, but there was no gear change and the narrative techniques, in particular the extravagant use of similies began to drag it down, the story was buried under the load, and interest in any of the characters was lost for me.
Fatma, thank you. I'm not quite finished yet but had to seek out a less-than-stellar review so I could make sure I wasn't totally missing something! I feel like this book should be called "Agnes the Alcoholic." Shuggie doesn't seem to be the focus. What's the point of this endless cycle of self-abuse, child neglect and pain? The only growth so far is Shuggie getting taller. Another issue... when Agnes kicked Leek out, he seemed to snap. He tried to explain how to handle her to Shuggie and acted like he had tried everything to solve the problem and yet he's been absent (sleeping, working or hiding) the entire story. It's certainly set the story up for the weight of the world to be on one kid's shoulders and that's tragic, but I feel like I"m watching it all from too far away to get very emotionally involved.
Completely agree with your review. I'm more than halfway through now, and I'm really disappointed in the book, not because of the subject matter, but because of the way it's told.
Edit: Time has softened me a bit toward the book. I would now rate it higher than I would have immediately upon finishing, but still, I would have liked to have had the characters' inner thoughts, at least Shuggie's, Agnes', and Leek's.
Edit: Time has softened me a bit toward the book. I would now rate it higher than I would have immediately upon finishing, but still, I would have liked to have had the characters' inner thoughts, at least Shuggie's, Agnes', and Leek's.
Have the same feeling half book through. The way it's written looks like torn.
Thank GOd someone agrees with my criticism although much more insightfully detailed than my stance 'weak plot, cardboard characters'
I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me after reading all the stellar reviews of this novel. Thank you for articulating exactly what I was thinking. I quit reading this book about 2/3 of the way through, which is something I never do. I just couldn't stand watching the train wreck one more time.
I agree with this review. I read to the end even though I started to become depressed. I thought maybe I was just too sensitive to the human agony it described and I’m glad I read it because it increased my understanding of Glasgow at this time. But I kept thinking, it’s not giving me any real insight into people and to human existence which is my first priority when I read a novel.
Thanks Fatma. Your review was spot on for me. We didn't get to know the characters beyond their abusing others or being abused. We didn't really know how they were feeling or how they grew.
You summed this up so perfectly. I wanted to love this, and it just fell short. Every character was purely surface level. There was no depth to them at all. I finished this book and felt that it was truly depressing, and I didn't walk away with much after reading other than a sense of disappointment.
I think the characters did have depth - and many of the characters in the novel could be people from any town or city. I don’t think the author has to spell it out - that is the magic of reading a book and making up pictures in your head. Colleen for example might not have had all her weans washed and tidy but they were loved and their life was consistent. I think the Bain family envied this. I loved the description of the women coming together for the catalogue night - I laughed and wished I was there with them...maybe you have to live through those times to get it.
Agree. Repetitive and left me simply wanting to finish the book, never truly knowing the characters.
100% agree with this review, it sums up all the problems with the novel. I'm really surprised it won the Booker.
I appreciate your thoughts so much. I’m going to finish this book but I’m at the skimming interest level. Frankly, it isn’t as depressing or bleak as I expected - it’s simply repetitive. I know life with an addicted person feels like a terrible broken record but I knew that before reading about Agnes. I’d like to know more about Leek, Snuggie, even the lady across the street.
Thanks for your review, which I 100% agreed with. I lived in Glasgow as a child, had an alcoholic father, grew up with violence and abuse, and could relate to and was grateful for the setting and subject matter. However, my problem with the book was exactly as Fatma said, not the content but the form, and that it could have done with a good editor. The publisher did the book a disservice by not spending the time working with the text, unless it did and this is the final, dissatisfying result. I started skimming 2/3rds of the way through as nothing was happening, nor was the shape of the novel using repetition to deepen the story. A big yes to a novel about Glasgow, about violence and abuse, about poverty and socio-economic injustice, but no to awarding a Booker prize to this one over much better written works. It is a literary prize, after all, not about subject matter, supposedly. Nothing personal against Douglas Stuart who seems like a fine person, recently featured on BBC’s Hard Talk.
Agreed. Far too repetitive to be a good novel. You don’t really get to know any of the characters. You only know they are miserable ad nauseam. As a result, I could not sympathize with any one of them. The more I read, the more distant they became. In the end I rooted more for Leek than for Shuggie.
Interesting view - I agree, particularly with not getting to know the characters beyond their suffering.
I agree with a lot of your review - I don’t mind depressing. I don’t like repetitive and lack of narrative.
I ultimately compared this book to the wonderful ANGELA'S ASHES, which, in my opinion, just can't be topped. Even in the squalor in which Frank McCort finds himself, he still manages to give us humor, and that, to me, made all the difference. I felt for Shuggie and his mother, I really did. My heart broke for them, but I needed some relief from the unrelenting pain and depression. For me, it's a "could have been a masterpiece, but fell short in several ways."
"I ultimately compared this book to the wonderful ANGELA'S ASHES, which, in my opinion, just can't be topped. Even in the squalor in which Frank McCort finds himself, he still manages to give us humor….”
Totally agree. I read a Syrian book, Death is Hard Work, about three siblings taking their father’s corpse thru war-torn Syria to bury him in his birth place and could not put it down. Each sibling was portrayed so well that you felt like you’ve known them all your life and you sympathized with their misfortunes and human failings.
Totally agree. I read a Syrian book, Death is Hard Work, about three siblings taking their father’s corpse thru war-torn Syria to bury him in his birth place and could not put it down. Each sibling was portrayed so well that you felt like you’ve known them all your life and you sympathized with their misfortunes and human failings.
The form is perfect for the content: the slow, relentless, slope downwards towards a miserable demise.
This is really well said. I would have loved to get to know Catherine and Leek on a much deeper level; Shuggie, too.
Yes. i completely agree with your review. The story just went on on and on along the same path until it got repitive and pointless. Great review!
I agree with this review. So much potential for this novel but the writing let it down. It was repetitive and lack insight into the characters. There was no reflection or depth and always felt like something was missing. Always tricky when a book is so lauded and you just don't feel the same way.
Ruth wrote: "I agree with this review. So much potential for this novel but the writing let it down. It was repetitive and lack insight into the characters. There was no reflection or depth and always felt like..."
Publishers only put positive comments on book jackets. Obviously! There is a 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' that goes on. Reviewers can be paid for reviews. I mean, only an idiot believes reviews from Richard and Judy.
Publishers only put positive comments on book jackets. Obviously! There is a 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' that goes on. Reviewers can be paid for reviews. I mean, only an idiot believes reviews from Richard and Judy.
I couldn’t disagree more. The simple beauty that was found in this book, along with the clear feelings and longings of the characters was simply astounding. The story was heartbreaking not for simply the ‘unremitting… depiction of those things’ but because of the psychological impact to the characters. Life with addiction and mental health issues and abuse is quiet with those impacts. The situational is what you see, what you hear, what an outsider observes. But those within that situation don’t scream out what they are truly struggling with. This is their life. It keeps on going forward as they try to quietly ‘be normal’. In this book that was beautifully illustrated as characters had small acknowledgments of what was driving their shame or their wants; through a look, through a touch, through tears.
I felt this was a delicately written and deeply layered look at addiction and it’s affects not only on the addict but those they love and who love them.
I felt this was a delicately written and deeply layered look at addiction and it’s affects not only on the addict but those they love and who love them.
Was I reading the same novel? Why wouldn't a novel about addiction be repetitive? Isn't that precisely how the Form matches the Content? All this blame on the Thatcher years and the causes of poverty...poverty in societies is so much more than one party's political policies....and Scottish society is very different from English society at that time in its sectarianism; Glasgow's inner heart is much more old Belfast than it is old London, or Bristol....the hatred will be against other English parties eg look at the rise of the SNP and the fall of the Labour party in Scotland? Rangers and Celtic... Protestants and Catholics...sectarianism is as much, or more to blame for the violence that Shuggie encounters, as poverty...he is a Protestant on a Catholic housing estate...and he is "no right" in a very macho society. Yes the content is depressing depressing, the form repetitive; for me that is a perfect match. I loved it; I loved the language; it was as if I was listening to my father's family....the 13th child in a family of Protestant miners whose pits closed down way before the Thatcher years...I do feel that some reviewers are unaware of the social history of the 1980s which they have made much to one-sidedly due to Thatcherism; it is much more complex. Shuggie should be seen as a heroic figure, but more, as a survivor of the wreckage of his early life. A magnificent epic; I loved it!
This is well put, I enjoyed it much more than you but you've successfully articulated the slight problem I had with it
Yes I seem to have come across as rather fierce, although I am a complete pussycat in real life, (furball coughing apart.) I usedto hate Hilary Mantel and now I think her writing is stunning, stunning but weird. Namaste,
Totally agree! I felt almost bad that I was criticizing the book for being repetitive and depressing. Seems I'm not the only one! I had little feeling for any of the characters, and I was just waiting for the inevitable to happen after about half way. I'd give it 3 stars though, it just makes you feel pretty rubbish after each sitting!
I felt horrible for Shuggie and his siblings and especially for Agnes. The time she planted flowers and then lost them to the cruelty of others was so heartbreaking. I loved Agnes despite the fact that she was so flawed and couldn't overcome her problem with alcohol. I loved Shuggie, too, and I loved the ending of the book. In no way do I compare SHUGGIE BAIN with ANGELA'S ASHES, though. Frank McCourt's childhood was as bad as Shuggie's, yet his memoir was filled with humor as well as pain. After I read SHUGGIE BAIN, I just felt depressed. After I read ANGELA'S ASHES, I felt awed by the power of the human spirit and by McCourt's formidable writing power. I've never read a memoir that could even come close to McCourt's.
Excellent review. It's unrelenting in the misery of life for this family. They all do the same thing page after page after page after page. But for me it was still gripping. Odd but I take your point.