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The Poppy War
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Nominee for Readers' Favorite Fantasy (2018), Nominee for Readers' Favorite Debut Author (2018)An epic historical military fantasy, inspired by the bloody history of China’s twentieth century and filled with treachery and magic.
When Rin aced the Keju—the Empire-wide test to find the most talented youth to learn at the Academies—it was a shock to everyone: to the test officials, who couldn’t believe a war orphan from Rooster Province could pass without cheating; to Rin’s guardians, who believed they’d finally be able to marry her off and further their criminal enterprise; and to Rin herself, who realized she was finally free of the servitude and despair that had made up her daily existence. That she got into Sinegard—the most elite military school in Nikan—was even more surprising.
But surprises aren’t always good.
Because being a dark-skinned peasant girl from the south is not an easy thing at Sinegard. Targeted from the outset by rival classmates for her color, poverty, and gender, Rin discovers she possesses a lethal, unearthly power—an aptitude for the nearly-mythical art of shamanism. Exploring the depths of her gift with the help of a seemingly insane teacher and psychoactive substances, Rin learns that gods long thought dead are very much alive—and that mastering control over those powers could mean more than just surviving school.
For while the Nikara Empire is at peace, the Federation of Mugen still lurks across a narrow sea. The militarily advanced Federation occupied Nikan for decades after the First Poppy War, and only barely lost the continent in the Second. And while most of the people are complacent to go about their lives, a few are aware that a Third Poppy War is just a spark away . . .
Rin’s shamanic powers may be the only way to save her people. But as she finds out more about the god that has chosen her, the vengeful Phoenix, she fears that winning the war may cost her humanity . . . and that it may already be too late.
When Rin aced the Keju—the Empire-wide test to find the most talented youth to learn at the Academies—it was a shock to everyone: to the test officials, who couldn’t believe a war orphan from Rooster Province could pass without cheating; to Rin’s guardians, who believed they’d finally be able to marry her off and further their criminal enterprise; and to Rin herself, who realized she was finally free of the servitude and despair that had made up her daily existence. That she got into Sinegard—the most elite military school in Nikan—was even more surprising.
But surprises aren’t always good.
Because being a dark-skinned peasant girl from the south is not an easy thing at Sinegard. Targeted from the outset by rival classmates for her color, poverty, and gender, Rin discovers she possesses a lethal, unearthly power—an aptitude for the nearly-mythical art of shamanism. Exploring the depths of her gift with the help of a seemingly insane teacher and psychoactive substances, Rin learns that gods long thought dead are very much alive—and that mastering control over those powers could mean more than just surviving school.
For while the Nikara Empire is at peace, the Federation of Mugen still lurks across a narrow sea. The militarily advanced Federation occupied Nikan for decades after the First Poppy War, and only barely lost the continent in the Second. And while most of the people are complacent to go about their lives, a few are aware that a Third Poppy War is just a spark away . . .
Rin’s shamanic powers may be the only way to save her people. But as she finds out more about the god that has chosen her, the vengeful Phoenix, she fears that winning the war may cost her humanity . . . and that it may already be too late.
527 pages, Paperback
First published May 1, 2018
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R.F. Kuang
19 books63.3k followersRebecca F. Kuang is a Marshall Scholar, translator, and award-winning, #1 New York Times bestselling author of the Poppy War trilogy and Babel: An Arcane History, among others. She has an MPhil in Chinese Studies from Cambridge and an MSc in Contemporary Chinese Studies from Oxford; she is now pursuing a PhD in East Asian Languages and Literatures at Yale.
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August 1, 2020
ARC provided by the publisher—Harper Voyager—in exchange for an honest review.
I have no doubt this will end up being the best fantasy debut of the year. No no, scratch that understatement. Ladies and gentlemen, let me present to you a review for The Poppy War, a book that will go down as one of the best grimdark/military fantasy debuts of all time.
Once in a while, there comes a book that you just know will be a fantastic book just from the premise or the cover; this was one of those books for me. I’ve been eyeing this book ever since I stumbled upon the gorgeous attention-grabbing cover by Jung Shan. (Seriously, check out her artworks. They’re incredible.) Reading that the book is highly inspired by Second Sino-Japanese War also the Rape of Nanking—please look this up if you don't know about it so you’ll have an idea of how dark the book will get—sparked my interest even more. However, although I had a good feeling about this debut, I certainly didn’t expect it to be THIS incredible. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say that this is literally THE best grimdark/military fantasy debut I've ever read; even better than The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie or Beyond Redemption by Michael R. Fletcher, and this author only turns 21 years old this year! How awesomely talented is she!?
Before I begin my long review, I will clarify that I’m an Asian and my review for this book will be affected by my experience growing up as one. Then, I need you to consider these two questions:
1. Do you enjoy or are you okay with reading books with a lot of violence? Because this book contains plenty of vividly brutal scenes. The author doesn’t pull any punches and the violence was handled splendidly, not only for the purpose of showing the horror and tragedy of war but also to let these scenes become a huge part of characters’ developments.
2. If the answer to question one is an absolute yes, I’ll ask you this: "are you ready for this book to go into your favorites of all time shelf?" because there’s an incredibly high chance that it WILL happen.
The Poppy War is a debut by R.F. Kuang and it's a coming-of-age grimdark military fantasy. It's a book about empires, drugs, shamanism, and gods, and it's highly inspired by Second Sino-Japanese War, which is one of the darkest and bloodiest periods in Chinese history. I grew up learning about this war and it gave me great satisfaction to read an epic fantasy book inspired by it; one that was written exceptionally well, too. Considering the root of inspiration for the book, it's obvious that there will be a lot of allusions to China and Japan (I’ll get into them more later) and that this will be a violent book. This is not a YA book; there are a lot of scenes that are definitely only appropriate for adults to read and there are tons of content warnings (I’ll list them at the end of my review) in part III. This is also not a happy-go-lucky story to read. Also, this is literally the first time I’ve read a fantasy book written by a female author that doesn’t feature ANY romance in it. (Thank God!)
As a Chinese myself, I have my own reasons for believing that The Poppy War is an Asian inspired coming-of-age grimdark military fantasy done absolutely right with finesse. Part I (roughly 40%) of the book may lead you to think this will be strictly an epic/high fantasy with a complete focus on learning, but this isn’t really true. Yes, the story does start with our main character, Fang Runin (Rin), learning tons of skills and forming friendships in a military academy called Sinegard. However, the storyline immediately took a different approach and became a complete grimdark/military fantasy in Part II and III. This won’t be a situation like Kvothe from The Kingkiller Chronicle by Patrick Rothfuss where after two installments he’s still in the University (I love this series so much though). Story structure wise, this book actually reminds me a lot of Blood Song by Anthony Ryan (another of my favorite debuts of all time), where the first half revolves around the character in a battle school and the second half revolves more around war and battles. This book alone feels like a trilogy in itself due to the sheer amount of monumental events that take place. Kuang did what a lot of authors try to do in the scope of a trilogy within the span of ONE book. Kuang’s prose was easy to read, simple, and most importantly, VERY engaging. Her writing never gets in the way of her story and it was truly compelling to read.
I need to give another reminder that part III in particular was filled with brutal scenes. These scenes are written exceptionally well; the author clearly shows the horrors of war and please do remember, like I said before, these scenes aren’t just there for the sake of making the book darker. The scenes are all there for the purpose of the story, characters development, and world building. In fact, this book just wouldn’t hold the same powerful impact without these scenes. The pacing was also brilliant. There wasn’t any chapter that bored me, none whatsoever. This is truly a story with a fine balance of heart, emotion, brutality, and action scenes that were only possible because of how magnificently written the author wrote all the characters, action sequences, and world-building.
Rin has seriously become one of the best female heroines I’ve ever had the chance to encounter. She’s a highly well-developed character, multi-faceted and simply kickass. Her rise from a mere peasant, oppressed and hated by everyone because of the color of her dark skin and her low status, to becoming what she has to be as the story progressed. This was one of the most well-written developments of a heroine or any character I’ve ever read. She makes brutally tough choices, she rises to any challenge that comes her way, and she never gives up. She’s fierce, she’s badass, and she demonstrates that being a strong woman character doesn’t only mean being physically powerful but mentally powerful, as well. Even though we see the story unfolds solely from Rin’s perspective in third person narration, the author does a fantastic job in making sure we’re really inside Rin’s head at all times. At one point, I actually forgot that I was reading the book in third person point of view as Rin’s character and personality were so well explored that I felt like her story was being told in first person POV. Besides that, all the other supporting characters' personalities were so well fleshed out because Part I was used VERY effectively to establish the characters’ introductions and world-building, making rooms for developments in the second half despite the story being in the middle of all the chaos. There’s always something new to discover on every page, and no words are wasted.
No military fantasy will ever reach greatness without intricate war tactics or extraordinary action scenes, and this book simply scored wonderfully on both counts. Every action sequence, whether it’s the martial arts battle or the magic system, was vividly written. The scale and scope of the action relentlessly escalate with each page turned. The magic users in this book are called Shaman—those who commune with the Gods to use their power—and Kuang did a terrific job researching Shamanism. Coincidentally, during my time reading this book, I received an email from one of my favorite artists, Noah Bradley, on his new art piece for Magic: the Gathering and somehow, it completely fits some of the action scenes in this book. Check out this picture below to give you an idea of how wildly the action scenes escalated.
Picture: Jaya’s Immolating Inferno by Noah Bradley
Lastly, I want to talk about the world-building. The history in the world of this book is filled with constant warfare, and this is also where the Asian influences really prevailed. There are TONS of Chinese and Asian influences in this book; I’m going to mention only a few of them here so you can experience the rest on your own:
-The provinces in this book are named after the twelve Chinese Zodiacs.
-The four cardinal mythological Gods are named exactly after the same Four Symbols of Chinese constellations creatures: the White Tiger of the West (Byakko), the Black Tortoise of the North (Genbu), the Azure Dragon of the East (Seiryu), and the Vermilion Bird of the South (Suzaku).
-The creator of the military tactics book named Principles of War in the story is called Sunzi, obviously named after the famous Sun Tzu and his Art of War.
-I’m a Buddhist (I think this is the first time I mention my religion in a review) and I’m pretty sure that Kuang used the name Bodhidharma intentionally to harken to Buddhism. In Buddhism, Bodhi means enlightenment and dharma means cosmic law. Considering the nature of Shamanism in this book, this naming and its meaning is very appropriate.
-Ki derives from Qi/Chi which means life force.
-Federation of Mugen, the name of the group of antagonists in this book, in Japanese means Infinite/Fantasy/Dream and they resembled the Japanese code of war where they are simply tools for the Emperor to use.
-Just one look at the map and you’ll also know that the world is based on China and Japan.
-Then there’s also talk of the legend of Monkey King from Journey to the West.
Believe me, I’m holding myself back here; I’m pretty sure I found almost all the Asian influences in this book and I could talk about them in detail but I want you to experience them for yourself too. I spent four hours writing this review and it has been long enough already. In fact, this is actually my second longest review of all time. I really wish I could talk about how amazing this book is but I have to make sure my review is spoiler-free enough for readers to experience this debut with maximum results. You simply have to read and experience this greatness for yourself.
The Poppy War is an astounding debut and one of the greatest starts to a series I’ve ever read. It’s a shining treasure of fantasy, literature, history, and culture. R.F. Kuang is truly a new author to watch. If this doesn’t become a one-hit wonder and she continues writing as her career, I have absolutely no doubt that her name will be up there with the likes of Robin Hobb and N.K. Jemisin, and maybe even better. I’m already waiting for the second book eagerly. I don’t even know how Kuang will top this debut; it’s a magnificently written debut that will stay in the heart of readers. By this point in my reviewing career, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to my followers that I’m quite stingy with giving a full five-star rating, but this book simply deserves a full five stars.
The Poppy War is a book truly worth every second of your time. It’s a profound blending of history into military fantasy. It’s a relentlessly tension-packed book. Rin will capture your heart, embrace it. The Poppy will make you high, accept it. The War will break you, face it. The Poppy War will most likely be included in your favorite books of all-time list, get it. Come May, buy and read this superlative page turner immediately. This is the beginning for a new queen of fantasy and you should consider yourself damn lucky to have the chance to witness it.
The quotes in this review were taken from an ARC and are subject to change upon publication.
Trigger Warnings: Rape, self-harm, drug abuse, genital mutilations, and many more. Basically, you name it and there's a chance it's here.
Official release date: May 1st, 2018 (US) and May 3rd, 2018 (UK).
You can pre-order the book HERE!
You can find this and the rest of my Adult Epic/High Fantasy & Sci-Fi reviews at BookNest
I have no doubt this will end up being the best fantasy debut of the year. No no, scratch that understatement. Ladies and gentlemen, let me present to you a review for The Poppy War, a book that will go down as one of the best grimdark/military fantasy debuts of all time.
Once in a while, there comes a book that you just know will be a fantastic book just from the premise or the cover; this was one of those books for me. I’ve been eyeing this book ever since I stumbled upon the gorgeous attention-grabbing cover by Jung Shan. (Seriously, check out her artworks. They’re incredible.) Reading that the book is highly inspired by Second Sino-Japanese War also the Rape of Nanking—please look this up if you don't know about it so you’ll have an idea of how dark the book will get—sparked my interest even more. However, although I had a good feeling about this debut, I certainly didn’t expect it to be THIS incredible. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say that this is literally THE best grimdark/military fantasy debut I've ever read; even better than The Blade Itself by Joe Abercrombie or Beyond Redemption by Michael R. Fletcher, and this author only turns 21 years old this year! How awesomely talented is she!?
Before I begin my long review, I will clarify that I’m an Asian and my review for this book will be affected by my experience growing up as one. Then, I need you to consider these two questions:
1. Do you enjoy or are you okay with reading books with a lot of violence? Because this book contains plenty of vividly brutal scenes. The author doesn’t pull any punches and the violence was handled splendidly, not only for the purpose of showing the horror and tragedy of war but also to let these scenes become a huge part of characters’ developments.
2. If the answer to question one is an absolute yes, I’ll ask you this: "are you ready for this book to go into your favorites of all time shelf?" because there’s an incredibly high chance that it WILL happen.
The Poppy War is a debut by R.F. Kuang and it's a coming-of-age grimdark military fantasy. It's a book about empires, drugs, shamanism, and gods, and it's highly inspired by Second Sino-Japanese War, which is one of the darkest and bloodiest periods in Chinese history. I grew up learning about this war and it gave me great satisfaction to read an epic fantasy book inspired by it; one that was written exceptionally well, too. Considering the root of inspiration for the book, it's obvious that there will be a lot of allusions to China and Japan (I’ll get into them more later) and that this will be a violent book. This is not a YA book; there are a lot of scenes that are definitely only appropriate for adults to read and there are tons of content warnings (I’ll list them at the end of my review) in part III. This is also not a happy-go-lucky story to read. Also, this is literally the first time I’ve read a fantasy book written by a female author that doesn’t feature ANY romance in it. (Thank God!)
“If there is a divine creator, some ultimate moral authority, then why do bad things happen to good people? And why would this deity create people at all, since people are such imperfect beings?”
As a Chinese myself, I have my own reasons for believing that The Poppy War is an Asian inspired coming-of-age grimdark military fantasy done absolutely right with finesse. Part I (roughly 40%) of the book may lead you to think this will be strictly an epic/high fantasy with a complete focus on learning, but this isn’t really true. Yes, the story does start with our main character, Fang Runin (Rin), learning tons of skills and forming friendships in a military academy called Sinegard. However, the storyline immediately took a different approach and became a complete grimdark/military fantasy in Part II and III. This won’t be a situation like Kvothe from The Kingkiller Chronicle by Patrick Rothfuss where after two installments he’s still in the University (I love this series so much though). Story structure wise, this book actually reminds me a lot of Blood Song by Anthony Ryan (another of my favorite debuts of all time), where the first half revolves around the character in a battle school and the second half revolves more around war and battles. This book alone feels like a trilogy in itself due to the sheer amount of monumental events that take place. Kuang did what a lot of authors try to do in the scope of a trilogy within the span of ONE book. Kuang’s prose was easy to read, simple, and most importantly, VERY engaging. Her writing never gets in the way of her story and it was truly compelling to read.
I need to give another reminder that part III in particular was filled with brutal scenes. These scenes are written exceptionally well; the author clearly shows the horrors of war and please do remember, like I said before, these scenes aren’t just there for the sake of making the book darker. The scenes are all there for the purpose of the story, characters development, and world building. In fact, this book just wouldn’t hold the same powerful impact without these scenes. The pacing was also brilliant. There wasn’t any chapter that bored me, none whatsoever. This is truly a story with a fine balance of heart, emotion, brutality, and action scenes that were only possible because of how magnificently written the author wrote all the characters, action sequences, and world-building.
“Children ceased to be children when you put a sword in their hands. When you taught them to fight a war, then you armed them and put them on the front lines, they were not children anymore. They were soldiers.”
Rin has seriously become one of the best female heroines I’ve ever had the chance to encounter. She’s a highly well-developed character, multi-faceted and simply kickass. Her rise from a mere peasant, oppressed and hated by everyone because of the color of her dark skin and her low status, to becoming what she has to be as the story progressed. This was one of the most well-written developments of a heroine or any character I’ve ever read. She makes brutally tough choices, she rises to any challenge that comes her way, and she never gives up. She’s fierce, she’s badass, and she demonstrates that being a strong woman character doesn’t only mean being physically powerful but mentally powerful, as well. Even though we see the story unfolds solely from Rin’s perspective in third person narration, the author does a fantastic job in making sure we’re really inside Rin’s head at all times. At one point, I actually forgot that I was reading the book in third person point of view as Rin’s character and personality were so well explored that I felt like her story was being told in first person POV. Besides that, all the other supporting characters' personalities were so well fleshed out because Part I was used VERY effectively to establish the characters’ introductions and world-building, making rooms for developments in the second half despite the story being in the middle of all the chaos. There’s always something new to discover on every page, and no words are wasted.
No military fantasy will ever reach greatness without intricate war tactics or extraordinary action scenes, and this book simply scored wonderfully on both counts. Every action sequence, whether it’s the martial arts battle or the magic system, was vividly written. The scale and scope of the action relentlessly escalate with each page turned. The magic users in this book are called Shaman—those who commune with the Gods to use their power—and Kuang did a terrific job researching Shamanism. Coincidentally, during my time reading this book, I received an email from one of my favorite artists, Noah Bradley, on his new art piece for Magic: the Gathering and somehow, it completely fits some of the action scenes in this book. Check out this picture below to give you an idea of how wildly the action scenes escalated.
Picture: Jaya’s Immolating Inferno by Noah Bradley
Lastly, I want to talk about the world-building. The history in the world of this book is filled with constant warfare, and this is also where the Asian influences really prevailed. There are TONS of Chinese and Asian influences in this book; I’m going to mention only a few of them here so you can experience the rest on your own:
-The provinces in this book are named after the twelve Chinese Zodiacs.
-The four cardinal mythological Gods are named exactly after the same Four Symbols of Chinese constellations creatures: the White Tiger of the West (Byakko), the Black Tortoise of the North (Genbu), the Azure Dragon of the East (Seiryu), and the Vermilion Bird of the South (Suzaku).
-The creator of the military tactics book named Principles of War in the story is called Sunzi, obviously named after the famous Sun Tzu and his Art of War.
-I’m a Buddhist (I think this is the first time I mention my religion in a review) and I’m pretty sure that Kuang used the name Bodhidharma intentionally to harken to Buddhism. In Buddhism, Bodhi means enlightenment and dharma means cosmic law. Considering the nature of Shamanism in this book, this naming and its meaning is very appropriate.
-Ki derives from Qi/Chi which means life force.
-Federation of Mugen, the name of the group of antagonists in this book, in Japanese means Infinite/Fantasy/Dream and they resembled the Japanese code of war where they are simply tools for the Emperor to use.
-Just one look at the map and you’ll also know that the world is based on China and Japan.
-Then there’s also talk of the legend of Monkey King from Journey to the West.
Believe me, I’m holding myself back here; I’m pretty sure I found almost all the Asian influences in this book and I could talk about them in detail but I want you to experience them for yourself too. I spent four hours writing this review and it has been long enough already. In fact, this is actually my second longest review of all time. I really wish I could talk about how amazing this book is but I have to make sure my review is spoiler-free enough for readers to experience this debut with maximum results. You simply have to read and experience this greatness for yourself.
The Poppy War is an astounding debut and one of the greatest starts to a series I’ve ever read. It’s a shining treasure of fantasy, literature, history, and culture. R.F. Kuang is truly a new author to watch. If this doesn’t become a one-hit wonder and she continues writing as her career, I have absolutely no doubt that her name will be up there with the likes of Robin Hobb and N.K. Jemisin, and maybe even better. I’m already waiting for the second book eagerly. I don’t even know how Kuang will top this debut; it’s a magnificently written debut that will stay in the heart of readers. By this point in my reviewing career, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to my followers that I’m quite stingy with giving a full five-star rating, but this book simply deserves a full five stars.
The Poppy War is a book truly worth every second of your time. It’s a profound blending of history into military fantasy. It’s a relentlessly tension-packed book. Rin will capture your heart, embrace it. The Poppy will make you high, accept it. The War will break you, face it. The Poppy War will most likely be included in your favorite books of all-time list, get it. Come May, buy and read this superlative page turner immediately. This is the beginning for a new queen of fantasy and you should consider yourself damn lucky to have the chance to witness it.
The quotes in this review were taken from an ARC and are subject to change upon publication.
Trigger Warnings: Rape, self-harm, drug abuse, genital mutilations, and many more. Basically, you name it and there's a chance it's here.
Official release date: May 1st, 2018 (US) and May 3rd, 2018 (UK).
You can pre-order the book HERE!
You can find this and the rest of my Adult Epic/High Fantasy & Sci-Fi reviews at BookNest
May 24, 2023
I'm immensely disappointed.
Before going into a LONG rant, let me first put out a disclaimer: I was born and raised in China, and this is the first time that I attempted a novel from a Chinese-American author. My background inevitably affected my reading experience -- up to the 80% mark I was going to give this book 3.5 stars, and thought that if I had only an average American's knowledge of Chinese culture, it could've been 5 -- but it was the last 20% that ruined the book for me, for entirely different reasons.
That said, let's get started.
The Good
The Poppy War is fast-paced and moves through three distinct phases in the life of our main character Rin. Part 1 centers around her training at a military school, pushing her limits to survive the trials and win respect from her discriminating classmates. The stakes are high and some scenes get quite gritty, but there are also a lot of hilarious moments and the master-apprentice dynamics are heartwarming. This part has a strong YA vibe which is not my usual type, but I found it surprisingly enjoyable and could easily relate to Rin as a character.
Part 2 takes on a big change in tone. Rin joins her friends and foes alike from school in a war against her country's island neighbor, meanwhile learning to wield her newly-found shaman power. The themes get considerably darker, with lots of battle scenes and graphical violence. This part was the highlight of the book for me: I loved all the battle tactics, the detailed planning and execution, the deception and manipulation. The general outline of events mimics that of the Sino-Japanese War, and a lot of parallels were drawn, but the strategies were quite original and I appreciate all the effort that the author put into it.
Part 3 is where the book gets stamped as grimdark. After an astonishing turn of events, Rin and her comrades find themselves in dire situations where they have to make difficult decisions to save their country. I have major issues with the purpose of certain scenes in this section, which I will explain further below, but I admire the fact that Kuang thought of including them in the first place. Too many atrocities were committed during WWII, and too many of them remain little known outside the countries where they occurred. As someone who shares heritage and history with Kuang, I think her intention is respectable and it's important to have such voices heard.
Sadly, just like many other things in this book, her ideas are great, but the execution far from it.
The Bad
The worldbuilding is lazy to say the least, and very problematic in my opinion.
First, let's get one thing straight: Nikan is not inspired by China. It is China. Simply changing some names into a different language doesn't make it a different country (Nikan means "Chinese people" in Manchurian). Here's why:
- The texts Rin studies in chapter 1, Mengzi, Zhuangzi, and Fuzi (Chinese spelling for Confucius), as well as the strategy text used at Sinegard, Sunzi (Chinese spelling for Sun Tzu), are real classics studied throughout history in China. The keju is also a real test, but more on that later.
- The various types of foods, including the fancy dishes that appeared in chapter 8, are real dishes in China, although some of their names are modified (Eight Treasure Congee becomes Seven Treasure Soup, etc.). The trinkets sold by the street vendors in that chapter are also real toys for Chinese kids, and shadow play is a real hereditary art.
- The gods in the pantheon, such as NuWa, the Jade Emperor, Erlang Shen, and Sanshengmu, are real deities in Chinese mythology and folklore.
- The Wudang Mountain, on which Sinegard Academy is built, is a real mountain in China, home to a famous complex of Taoist temples and a martial arts system that is the southern counterpart to the more internationally known Shaolin. For all their martial arts training, it makes sense that the fictional Sinegard is located there.
I can keep going but you get the idea. The author doesn't spend too much time on worldbuilding and as much as there is, almost all of it is a direct depiction of China. Which is fine -- I won't sing the praises of the book's originality or creativity, but I would've been OK with treating it as alternate history -- except there are these little tweaks here and there that just make things really jarring.
For example, why are the provinces named after the twelve zodiacs? Because this is the only thing that western readers are guaranteed to know about Chinese culture so it adds a cool Chinese aesthetic? No reasonable person, English or Chinese speaking, would actually name their provinces that way, because no one would want to live in the Rat Province or be titled the Dog Warlord. They sound just as ridiculous in Chinese as they do in English. (Well, honestly more ridiculous in Chinese because dog is, unsurprisingly, the gender-neutral equivalent of the English bitch).
And why are certain characters named after historical figures? Su Daji and Jiang Ziya are real people from 11th century BC. Nezha, on the other hand, is a folklore god, but unlike all the other gods in this book who appear in the pantheon, this one gets his name planted onto a mortal character.
Surely you might say: they are just names! Then let me ask you this: how much would an American reader enjoy a high fantasy (secondary-world like this book is supposed to be, not paranormal and not intended to be a comedy) featuring a protagonist named George Washington (who bears no similarity to the real George Washington), joined by his lieutenants Jesus and Mary, sailing across the Mississippi River on a battleship named Mayflower to fight a Civil War between two countries named The Black States and The White States? I wonder how many people might even find that offensive.
What's worse, many other concepts kept their original names in this book but instead got their contents swapped out for something different. The aforementioned keju, for example, was a real exam system in ancient China, but it was a series of tests taken as an assessment of the outcome of one's education to eventually qualify them for a job, not as a college entrance exam (so for the US, think medical boards instead of SAT). Not to mention that a person couldn't possibly pass it with mere mechanical memorization and that it was already abolished by the time of the Sino-Japanese War.
The hexagrams used for fortune-telling in chapter 20, are real as well and play central roles in Taoism (you can read about them here). But the symbols aren't drawn line by line, and there is no hexagram called The Net (nor did what Rin drew match the 26th one). I'm not expecting the author to do real fortune-telling, but say if you see something called Tarot de Marseille show up in a story, you'd expect them to be the correct deck of cards, not with all the numbers reordered, names replaced, and meanings changed, right?
I know these are such tiny details that most people probably won't even care, but I think cultural representation matters, and swapping concepts like this is misleading. An unsuspecting reader would either expect these concepts to be real, and consequently take the half-truths as cool trivia facts, or expect them to be purely fictional, and consequently praise the author's creative imagination. I won't try to speculate which way is the author's intention, but I think anyone that draws so directly and heavily from real sources should at least acknowledge what they did to their readers.
The Ugly
If these are the only issues I have, I would've still been willing to say this book is "good enough". It was the last four chapters that undid everything.
< Spoiler Alert : the following section contains vague spoilers for Part 3. I won't discuss any major events directly without spoiler tags, but if you prefer absolutely no hints of the plot, then please skip to the end of this review.>
I've mentioned before that I appreciate Kuang's effort in bringing events from the Sino-Japanese War back to light. History is a big part of where we come from, and I think it's necessary for genre fiction to give it a nod from time to time. However, war crimes are heavy subjects and shouldn't be treated lightheartedly. Kuang didn't hold back punches in depicting all the horrifying cruelty and suffering in , but for what purpose?
Sure, it pushed Rin to , but that's fridging. What's worse, it managed to motivate her for precisely one short chapter. That's cheap even for fridging.
And sure, it delivered a powerful scene to the reader, but I feel strongly against using historical tragedies for mere shock value.
Rin's merciless revenge suffers from the same problem. I read some reviews for The Dragon Republic and found that this wasn't resolved in the second book either: I understand that this series is supposed to be grimdark, but please, there are not one, not two, but three genocides in this one book, two of which are based on real historical events. No significant consequences come out of any of them, and less than a handful of characters give a shit. Does no one else feel uncomfortable with this?
< End Spoiler Alert >
History aside, Rin's character also completely fell apart towards the end of the book. I get it, she went through a lot and has to make hard decisions, but none of her decisions make sense. I love antiheroes and I don't hold anything against unlikable characters, but they need to be at least understandable. Rin becomes so unreasonable and unrelatable that I felt like the book reverted to YA again, and a bad one this time: despite all the violence and gore, at the heart of it we still have a main character that's just as impulsive and immature as any recycled YA heroine.
These, combined with the mediocre prose and the choking number of typos (which is not the author's fault, but I had trouble believing such a book to be professionally edited and published by Harper Voyager. I'm not usually a careful reader yet I easily spotted four or five glaring errors in my kindle copy), made The Poppy War such a huge letdown. I won't be continuing with the series, and I hope that one day our history and heritage will be something that we truly understand and value, not to be reduced to marketing gimmicks.
Before going into a LONG rant, let me first put out a disclaimer: I was born and raised in China, and this is the first time that I attempted a novel from a Chinese-American author. My background inevitably affected my reading experience -- up to the 80% mark I was going to give this book 3.5 stars, and thought that if I had only an average American's knowledge of Chinese culture, it could've been 5 -- but it was the last 20% that ruined the book for me, for entirely different reasons.
That said, let's get started.
The Good
The Poppy War is fast-paced and moves through three distinct phases in the life of our main character Rin. Part 1 centers around her training at a military school, pushing her limits to survive the trials and win respect from her discriminating classmates. The stakes are high and some scenes get quite gritty, but there are also a lot of hilarious moments and the master-apprentice dynamics are heartwarming. This part has a strong YA vibe which is not my usual type, but I found it surprisingly enjoyable and could easily relate to Rin as a character.
Part 2 takes on a big change in tone. Rin joins her friends and foes alike from school in a war against her country's island neighbor, meanwhile learning to wield her newly-found shaman power. The themes get considerably darker, with lots of battle scenes and graphical violence. This part was the highlight of the book for me: I loved all the battle tactics, the detailed planning and execution, the deception and manipulation. The general outline of events mimics that of the Sino-Japanese War, and a lot of parallels were drawn, but the strategies were quite original and I appreciate all the effort that the author put into it.
Part 3 is where the book gets stamped as grimdark. After an astonishing turn of events, Rin and her comrades find themselves in dire situations where they have to make difficult decisions to save their country. I have major issues with the purpose of certain scenes in this section, which I will explain further below, but I admire the fact that Kuang thought of including them in the first place. Too many atrocities were committed during WWII, and too many of them remain little known outside the countries where they occurred. As someone who shares heritage and history with Kuang, I think her intention is respectable and it's important to have such voices heard.
Sadly, just like many other things in this book, her ideas are great, but the execution far from it.
The Bad
The worldbuilding is lazy to say the least, and very problematic in my opinion.
First, let's get one thing straight: Nikan is not inspired by China. It is China. Simply changing some names into a different language doesn't make it a different country (Nikan means "Chinese people" in Manchurian). Here's why:
- The texts Rin studies in chapter 1, Mengzi, Zhuangzi, and Fuzi (Chinese spelling for Confucius), as well as the strategy text used at Sinegard, Sunzi (Chinese spelling for Sun Tzu), are real classics studied throughout history in China. The keju is also a real test, but more on that later.
- The various types of foods, including the fancy dishes that appeared in chapter 8, are real dishes in China, although some of their names are modified (Eight Treasure Congee becomes Seven Treasure Soup, etc.). The trinkets sold by the street vendors in that chapter are also real toys for Chinese kids, and shadow play is a real hereditary art.
- The gods in the pantheon, such as NuWa, the Jade Emperor, Erlang Shen, and Sanshengmu, are real deities in Chinese mythology and folklore.
- The Wudang Mountain, on which Sinegard Academy is built, is a real mountain in China, home to a famous complex of Taoist temples and a martial arts system that is the southern counterpart to the more internationally known Shaolin. For all their martial arts training, it makes sense that the fictional Sinegard is located there.
I can keep going but you get the idea. The author doesn't spend too much time on worldbuilding and as much as there is, almost all of it is a direct depiction of China. Which is fine -- I won't sing the praises of the book's originality or creativity, but I would've been OK with treating it as alternate history -- except there are these little tweaks here and there that just make things really jarring.
For example, why are the provinces named after the twelve zodiacs? Because this is the only thing that western readers are guaranteed to know about Chinese culture so it adds a cool Chinese aesthetic? No reasonable person, English or Chinese speaking, would actually name their provinces that way, because no one would want to live in the Rat Province or be titled the Dog Warlord. They sound just as ridiculous in Chinese as they do in English. (Well, honestly more ridiculous in Chinese because dog is, unsurprisingly, the gender-neutral equivalent of the English bitch).
And why are certain characters named after historical figures? Su Daji and Jiang Ziya are real people from 11th century BC. Nezha, on the other hand, is a folklore god, but unlike all the other gods in this book who appear in the pantheon, this one gets his name planted onto a mortal character.
Surely you might say: they are just names! Then let me ask you this: how much would an American reader enjoy a high fantasy (secondary-world like this book is supposed to be, not paranormal and not intended to be a comedy) featuring a protagonist named George Washington (who bears no similarity to the real George Washington), joined by his lieutenants Jesus and Mary, sailing across the Mississippi River on a battleship named Mayflower to fight a Civil War between two countries named The Black States and The White States? I wonder how many people might even find that offensive.
What's worse, many other concepts kept their original names in this book but instead got their contents swapped out for something different. The aforementioned keju, for example, was a real exam system in ancient China, but it was a series of tests taken as an assessment of the outcome of one's education to eventually qualify them for a job, not as a college entrance exam (so for the US, think medical boards instead of SAT). Not to mention that a person couldn't possibly pass it with mere mechanical memorization and that it was already abolished by the time of the Sino-Japanese War.
The hexagrams used for fortune-telling in chapter 20, are real as well and play central roles in Taoism (you can read about them here). But the symbols aren't drawn line by line, and there is no hexagram called The Net (nor did what Rin drew match the 26th one). I'm not expecting the author to do real fortune-telling, but say if you see something called Tarot de Marseille show up in a story, you'd expect them to be the correct deck of cards, not with all the numbers reordered, names replaced, and meanings changed, right?
I know these are such tiny details that most people probably won't even care, but I think cultural representation matters, and swapping concepts like this is misleading. An unsuspecting reader would either expect these concepts to be real, and consequently take the half-truths as cool trivia facts, or expect them to be purely fictional, and consequently praise the author's creative imagination. I won't try to speculate which way is the author's intention, but I think anyone that draws so directly and heavily from real sources should at least acknowledge what they did to their readers.
The Ugly
If these are the only issues I have, I would've still been willing to say this book is "good enough". It was the last four chapters that undid everything.
< Spoiler Alert : the following section contains vague spoilers for Part 3. I won't discuss any major events directly without spoiler tags, but if you prefer absolutely no hints of the plot, then please skip to the end of this review.>
I've mentioned before that I appreciate Kuang's effort in bringing events from the Sino-Japanese War back to light. History is a big part of where we come from, and I think it's necessary for genre fiction to give it a nod from time to time. However, war crimes are heavy subjects and shouldn't be treated lightheartedly. Kuang didn't hold back punches in depicting all the horrifying cruelty and suffering in , but for what purpose?
Sure, it pushed Rin to , but that's fridging. What's worse, it managed to motivate her for precisely one short chapter. That's cheap even for fridging.
And sure, it delivered a powerful scene to the reader, but I feel strongly against using historical tragedies for mere shock value.
Rin's merciless revenge suffers from the same problem. I read some reviews for The Dragon Republic and found that this wasn't resolved in the second book either: I understand that this series is supposed to be grimdark, but please, there are not one, not two, but three genocides in this one book, two of which are based on real historical events. No significant consequences come out of any of them, and less than a handful of characters give a shit. Does no one else feel uncomfortable with this?
< End Spoiler Alert >
History aside, Rin's character also completely fell apart towards the end of the book. I get it, she went through a lot and has to make hard decisions, but none of her decisions make sense. I love antiheroes and I don't hold anything against unlikable characters, but they need to be at least understandable. Rin becomes so unreasonable and unrelatable that I felt like the book reverted to YA again, and a bad one this time: despite all the violence and gore, at the heart of it we still have a main character that's just as impulsive and immature as any recycled YA heroine.
These, combined with the mediocre prose and the choking number of typos (which is not the author's fault, but I had trouble believing such a book to be professionally edited and published by Harper Voyager. I'm not usually a careful reader yet I easily spotted four or five glaring errors in my kindle copy), made The Poppy War such a huge letdown. I won't be continuing with the series, and I hope that one day our history and heritage will be something that we truly understand and value, not to be reduced to marketing gimmicks.
November 24, 2024
4.45!
“War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who remains.”
It was absolutely brilliant. I am at a loss of words because it has been such a long time since I have read a book that takes into account such horrors that are present in this world and beautifully writes a horrific story about war with complex characters and by complex I mean COMPLEX, amazing action scenes and a good stronghold for the plot. R.F Kuang did not shy away from any brutality, she wrote everything and the way she wrote it was I think the perfect style suited to a story like that and it amazes me how easily she can change her style. Her writing range is insane because I have read Babel, Yellowface and The poppy war and each was so different from the other in terms of everything, the plot, the story, the writing style, the characters and I could not find one similarity besides loving them all. It's obvious by now that Rebecca is among my auto buy authors because the stories that she's putting out are so good and I am literally devouring them all.
Rebecca just woke up one day and thought I am going to present the world with the perfect epic military fantasy and she delivered!! From the cover to the blurb to the actual story to the execution of it. Also this being her first novel baffles me because how can one write such an amazing first book. It was so well thought and so well crafted and I just learned that this was based on true events which makes it so much more dark and terrifying and goosebumps inducing. I would definitely recommend checking out how dark it is because this I felt uncomfortable reading some scenes and this coming from someone who does not get affected by trigger warnings. Reading part 1 I really thought that this was going to be a plot driven story considering the war and the battle that was taking place but after that?? it was solely focused on the characters and I really liked that but that maybe one of the reason why its getting a 4 and not a 5. Part 1 had me engrossed, it had me hooked, I was breathless after reading that part and the one after that still had me captivated but there were often moments where I felt the book drag and loosing my interests, they were few but I didn't like that.
The book is over 500 pages and has 25 chapters, yes very long chapters they did not bother me at all because it was written well and easy to read so they didn't seem tiresome at all although they were two or three chapters that got too much I think they were 15, 17 and 21? they felt a little too long in my opinion and it's written in third persons point of view but it was an overall well written novel.
“I have become something wonderful, she thought. I have become something terrible. Was she now a goddess or a monster? Perhaps neither. Perhaps both.”
Fang Runin. She is arguable one of the best female characters written. Oh my god, the complexity of that character alone, it was so hard to decipher her whole arc because It was so hard to understand her decisions. Her wanting to kill and save. I loved her and the way we got so much of character development just from her side? It was honestly beautiful the way she set a goal and did everything to achieve it had me loving her even more. The way she topped the exam by studying herself, the way she carried a full fatass pig up and down a mountain, trained and became the strongest solider, the most powerful, I loved it but to be honest she is a badass but a very hard character to like as the story progresses you just have to understand her and once you understand her it would still be hard to like her for some people for others it'll be I think more easy but she is easily one of the most complex characters I have come across so it felt so refreshing to read about a character like, frustrating? yes, but also so satisfying to finally read about someone who I could be conflicted on!! Whether to like her or hate her or just stay in between but I enjoyed it a lot.
Nezha, Kitay and Altan, three of the side characters. There were more but ahahaha I am writing the review after a week so I don't exactly remember their name but there was one who I loved and who always put Rin in her place (I cant remember the name). Nezha 🫠 the enemies to lovers that we deserve (there's barely any romance here) but the fragments of Rin and Nezha that we got were everything the way they started off on the worst foot possible and the way they literally started off by fighting one another to respectfully admiring each other, to shying away and exchanging forbidden glances. Nezha is missing for the most part of this book but when we got his scenes he did deliver. Kitay would be Rin's only true friend in this war, I liked him a lot and the scenes of him with rin, especially the one where he takes her to his house. I think he would her morality and I can't wait to see what more is there for his story. Altan, I just cant explain to you why I feel about him the way I still do but I like him, he's even more complex than Rin, you all would read about him and think 'I can fix him' but nope you cannot. These three definitely made this story more memorable.
Venka, I didnt really write about her at first but her story stuck with me till the very end and it was undoubtfully more impactful, heartbreaking and easily the most traumatizing story in this whole book. Every word that she spoke shattered my heart bit by bit and I had to keep my book down to breathe and it hit me harder because the thought that this is literally happening in a genocide that is taking place and the world is too silent to speak up about. Venka's whole monologue caused my mind to go into these deep thoughts even after the book was over. It just stick with me, the words that she spoke revolved around my head and I honestly forgot many of the things that happened here but one thing that I cannot forget is her words, the way she said that have me choked, they make me feel so claustrophobic, its like my throat is closing in on me and I can see why many people might think that I am exaggerating but the way Rebecca wrote it was so impactful and the real life events being similar to this especially to my people it just hits very hard, So even a little thought about this could actually change your whole mood and I applaud Rebecca for writing Venka's story and for making her speak up!
“Children ceased to be children when you put a sword in their hands. When you taught them to fight a war, then you armed them and put them on the front lines, they were not children anymore. They were soldiers.”
The worldbuilding was stellar, its laid the foundations of the word so well, it was vivid and immersive and I really enjoyed it!! the one thing that I did have a problem with was the magic system, I feel like it could have been more explored, more fleshed out, the presence of it missing was definitely seen but it wasn't to such a high scale that would affect the book.
The plot, it's more of a coming of age story so you can see how the character revolved around the plot, it was very different form most coming of age stories, the plot here is weaved around such intricate political warfare, the political intrigue was top notch and the way it was all in a a web that was entangled in another web was absolutely brilliant!!
“We aren’t here to be sophisticated. We’re here to fuck people up.”
My favorite part of the book was it's action sequences , they were so detailed and well written and I cannot stress this enough how immersive it was to read those scenes, the techniques, the details that were put into them and they were described so well that it was hard not to imagine them. The way they proved to give this book a sharp edge by having me at the edge of my seat?? I think this was definitely my favorite part of the book, battles and sequences like these are only present in book like red rising and any Brandon Sanderson book so it was a good surprise that caught me.
Finally, I would love to thank Rowan who finally tipped me off into starting this series, and Roxy who had planned this with me initially back in June but the events that happened weren't really encouraging so I got motivation from Rowan and a buddy reading partner who made this whole experience so much more better, ranting to them was amazing<3
Additional quotes that I loved:
“You humans always think you’re destined for things, for tragedy or for greatness. Destiny is a myth. Destiny is the only myth. The gods choose nothing. You chose.”
.
“They were monsters!" Rin shrieked. "They were not human!"
"Have you ever considered" he said slowly "that that was exactly what they thought of us?”
.
“Well, fuck the heavenly order of things. If getting married to a gross old man was her preordained role on this earth, then Rin was determined to rewrite it.”
.
“Nothing is written," said the Phoenix. "You humans always think you're destined for greatness. Destiny is a myth. Destiny is the only myth. The gods choose nothing. You chose. You chose to take the exam. You chose to come to Sinegard. You chose to pledge Lore, you chose to study the paths of the gods, and you chose to follow your commander's demands over your master's warnings. At every critical juncture you were given an option; you were given a way out. Yet you picked precisely the roads that led you here. You are at this temple, kneeling before me, only because you wanted to be.”
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“It’s easy to be brave. Harder to know when not to fight.”
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When man begins to think that he is responsible for writing the script of the world, he forgets the forces that dream up our reality.”
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“I don't need your pity. I need you to kill them for me. You have to kill them for me," Venka hissed. "Swear it. Swear on your blood that you will burn them.”
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“Power dictates acceptability,”
.
“If there is a divine creator, some ultimate moral authority, then why do bad things happen to good people? And why would this deity create people at all, since people are such imperfect beings?”
.
“What’s the worst that could happen?” “You’re so young,” he said softly. “You have no idea.”
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“If you're focused only on your enemy's weapon, you'll always be on the defensive. Look past the weapon to your target. Focus on what you want to kill.”
.
“I don't love you. And I can kill anything.”
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“I command the Cike.” Chaghan looked sideways at her. His expression was grim. “You are going to paint the world in Altan’s blood, aren’t you?” “I’m going to find and kill everyone responsible,” said Rin. “You cannot stop me.” Chaghan laughed a dry, cutting laugh. “Oh, I’m not going to stop you.” He held out his hand. She grasped it, and the drowned land and the ash-choked sky bore witness to the pact between Seer and Speerly.”
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“But I warn you, little warrior. The price of power is pain.”
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“How could she compare the lives lost? One genocide against another—how did they balance on the scale of justice? And who was she, to imagine that she could make that comparison?”
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“Call off your men, or I will summon into existence things that should not be in this world” (ate)
.
“There. A clear opening. Rin raised a leg and kicked out, hard. Her leg caught Nezha in midair with a satisfying whoomph. Nezha uttered an unnatural shriek and clutched his crotch, whimpering. The entire studio fell silent as all heads swiveled in their direction. Nezha clambered to his feet, scarlet-faced. “You—how dare you—” “Just as you said.” Rin dipped her head into a mocking bow. “I only know one kick.”
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“Then I will die on my feet," she said. "I will die with flames in my hand and fury in my heart. I will die fighting for the legacy of my people, rather than on Shiro's operating table, drugged and wasted. I will not die a coward.”
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“You were a scared little boy, and they turned you into a weapon. And now . .. now you're lost.”3
.
“You're blinded by your own desire for
vengeance. Why are you doing this?" He reached out and grasped Altans shoulder. "For the Empire? For the love of the country? Which is it Trengsin? What story have you told yourself?”
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“It feels good to hate, doesn’t it? Up until now you’ve been storing your anger up and using it as fuel. But unless you learn to let it go, you are never going to find your way to the gods.”
Overall, a brilliant debut novel with a few problems but easy to overlook!! I would definitely recommend it!!
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I have been dying to read this but it has always intimidated me 😭
ITS TIME!! for Rebecca to break me into pieces again 😔 also Rowan can live in peace because I'm finally starting this 😭 this better be revolutionary ISTG 😤
•Buddy reading with one and only Roxy because what would I ever do without you 😔
“War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who remains.”
It was absolutely brilliant. I am at a loss of words because it has been such a long time since I have read a book that takes into account such horrors that are present in this world and beautifully writes a horrific story about war with complex characters and by complex I mean COMPLEX, amazing action scenes and a good stronghold for the plot. R.F Kuang did not shy away from any brutality, she wrote everything and the way she wrote it was I think the perfect style suited to a story like that and it amazes me how easily she can change her style. Her writing range is insane because I have read Babel, Yellowface and The poppy war and each was so different from the other in terms of everything, the plot, the story, the writing style, the characters and I could not find one similarity besides loving them all. It's obvious by now that Rebecca is among my auto buy authors because the stories that she's putting out are so good and I am literally devouring them all.
Rebecca just woke up one day and thought I am going to present the world with the perfect epic military fantasy and she delivered!! From the cover to the blurb to the actual story to the execution of it. Also this being her first novel baffles me because how can one write such an amazing first book. It was so well thought and so well crafted and I just learned that this was based on true events which makes it so much more dark and terrifying and goosebumps inducing. I would definitely recommend checking out how dark it is because this I felt uncomfortable reading some scenes and this coming from someone who does not get affected by trigger warnings. Reading part 1 I really thought that this was going to be a plot driven story considering the war and the battle that was taking place but after that?? it was solely focused on the characters and I really liked that but that maybe one of the reason why its getting a 4 and not a 5. Part 1 had me engrossed, it had me hooked, I was breathless after reading that part and the one after that still had me captivated but there were often moments where I felt the book drag and loosing my interests, they were few but I didn't like that.
The book is over 500 pages and has 25 chapters, yes very long chapters they did not bother me at all because it was written well and easy to read so they didn't seem tiresome at all although they were two or three chapters that got too much I think they were 15, 17 and 21? they felt a little too long in my opinion and it's written in third persons point of view but it was an overall well written novel.
“I have become something wonderful, she thought. I have become something terrible. Was she now a goddess or a monster? Perhaps neither. Perhaps both.”
Fang Runin. She is arguable one of the best female characters written. Oh my god, the complexity of that character alone, it was so hard to decipher her whole arc because It was so hard to understand her decisions. Her wanting to kill and save. I loved her and the way we got so much of character development just from her side? It was honestly beautiful the way she set a goal and did everything to achieve it had me loving her even more. The way she topped the exam by studying herself, the way she carried a full fatass pig up and down a mountain, trained and became the strongest solider, the most powerful, I loved it but to be honest she is a badass but a very hard character to like as the story progresses you just have to understand her and once you understand her it would still be hard to like her for some people for others it'll be I think more easy but she is easily one of the most complex characters I have come across so it felt so refreshing to read about a character like, frustrating? yes, but also so satisfying to finally read about someone who I could be conflicted on!! Whether to like her or hate her or just stay in between but I enjoyed it a lot.
Nezha, Kitay and Altan, three of the side characters. There were more but ahahaha I am writing the review after a week so I don't exactly remember their name but there was one who I loved and who always put Rin in her place (I cant remember the name). Nezha 🫠 the enemies to lovers that we deserve (there's barely any romance here) but the fragments of Rin and Nezha that we got were everything the way they started off on the worst foot possible and the way they literally started off by fighting one another to respectfully admiring each other, to shying away and exchanging forbidden glances. Nezha is missing for the most part of this book but when we got his scenes he did deliver. Kitay would be Rin's only true friend in this war, I liked him a lot and the scenes of him with rin, especially the one where he takes her to his house. I think he would her morality and I can't wait to see what more is there for his story. Altan, I just cant explain to you why I feel about him the way I still do but I like him, he's even more complex than Rin, you all would read about him and think 'I can fix him' but nope you cannot. These three definitely made this story more memorable.
Venka, I didnt really write about her at first but her story stuck with me till the very end and it was undoubtfully more impactful, heartbreaking and easily the most traumatizing story in this whole book. Every word that she spoke shattered my heart bit by bit and I had to keep my book down to breathe and it hit me harder because the thought that this is literally happening in a genocide that is taking place and the world is too silent to speak up about. Venka's whole monologue caused my mind to go into these deep thoughts even after the book was over. It just stick with me, the words that she spoke revolved around my head and I honestly forgot many of the things that happened here but one thing that I cannot forget is her words, the way she said that have me choked, they make me feel so claustrophobic, its like my throat is closing in on me and I can see why many people might think that I am exaggerating but the way Rebecca wrote it was so impactful and the real life events being similar to this especially to my people it just hits very hard, So even a little thought about this could actually change your whole mood and I applaud Rebecca for writing Venka's story and for making her speak up!
“Children ceased to be children when you put a sword in their hands. When you taught them to fight a war, then you armed them and put them on the front lines, they were not children anymore. They were soldiers.”
The worldbuilding was stellar, its laid the foundations of the word so well, it was vivid and immersive and I really enjoyed it!! the one thing that I did have a problem with was the magic system, I feel like it could have been more explored, more fleshed out, the presence of it missing was definitely seen but it wasn't to such a high scale that would affect the book.
The plot, it's more of a coming of age story so you can see how the character revolved around the plot, it was very different form most coming of age stories, the plot here is weaved around such intricate political warfare, the political intrigue was top notch and the way it was all in a a web that was entangled in another web was absolutely brilliant!!
“We aren’t here to be sophisticated. We’re here to fuck people up.”
My favorite part of the book was it's action sequences , they were so detailed and well written and I cannot stress this enough how immersive it was to read those scenes, the techniques, the details that were put into them and they were described so well that it was hard not to imagine them. The way they proved to give this book a sharp edge by having me at the edge of my seat?? I think this was definitely my favorite part of the book, battles and sequences like these are only present in book like red rising and any Brandon Sanderson book so it was a good surprise that caught me.
Finally, I would love to thank Rowan who finally tipped me off into starting this series, and Roxy who had planned this with me initially back in June but the events that happened weren't really encouraging so I got motivation from Rowan and a buddy reading partner who made this whole experience so much more better, ranting to them was amazing<3
Additional quotes that I loved:
“You humans always think you’re destined for things, for tragedy or for greatness. Destiny is a myth. Destiny is the only myth. The gods choose nothing. You chose.”
.
“They were monsters!" Rin shrieked. "They were not human!"
"Have you ever considered" he said slowly "that that was exactly what they thought of us?”
.
“Well, fuck the heavenly order of things. If getting married to a gross old man was her preordained role on this earth, then Rin was determined to rewrite it.”
.
“Nothing is written," said the Phoenix. "You humans always think you're destined for greatness. Destiny is a myth. Destiny is the only myth. The gods choose nothing. You chose. You chose to take the exam. You chose to come to Sinegard. You chose to pledge Lore, you chose to study the paths of the gods, and you chose to follow your commander's demands over your master's warnings. At every critical juncture you were given an option; you were given a way out. Yet you picked precisely the roads that led you here. You are at this temple, kneeling before me, only because you wanted to be.”
.
“It’s easy to be brave. Harder to know when not to fight.”
.
When man begins to think that he is responsible for writing the script of the world, he forgets the forces that dream up our reality.”
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“I don't need your pity. I need you to kill them for me. You have to kill them for me," Venka hissed. "Swear it. Swear on your blood that you will burn them.”
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“Power dictates acceptability,”
.
“If there is a divine creator, some ultimate moral authority, then why do bad things happen to good people? And why would this deity create people at all, since people are such imperfect beings?”
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“What’s the worst that could happen?” “You’re so young,” he said softly. “You have no idea.”
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“If you're focused only on your enemy's weapon, you'll always be on the defensive. Look past the weapon to your target. Focus on what you want to kill.”
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“I don't love you. And I can kill anything.”
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“I command the Cike.” Chaghan looked sideways at her. His expression was grim. “You are going to paint the world in Altan’s blood, aren’t you?” “I’m going to find and kill everyone responsible,” said Rin. “You cannot stop me.” Chaghan laughed a dry, cutting laugh. “Oh, I’m not going to stop you.” He held out his hand. She grasped it, and the drowned land and the ash-choked sky bore witness to the pact between Seer and Speerly.”
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“But I warn you, little warrior. The price of power is pain.”
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“How could she compare the lives lost? One genocide against another—how did they balance on the scale of justice? And who was she, to imagine that she could make that comparison?”
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“Call off your men, or I will summon into existence things that should not be in this world” (ate)
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“There. A clear opening. Rin raised a leg and kicked out, hard. Her leg caught Nezha in midair with a satisfying whoomph. Nezha uttered an unnatural shriek and clutched his crotch, whimpering. The entire studio fell silent as all heads swiveled in their direction. Nezha clambered to his feet, scarlet-faced. “You—how dare you—” “Just as you said.” Rin dipped her head into a mocking bow. “I only know one kick.”
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“Then I will die on my feet," she said. "I will die with flames in my hand and fury in my heart. I will die fighting for the legacy of my people, rather than on Shiro's operating table, drugged and wasted. I will not die a coward.”
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“You were a scared little boy, and they turned you into a weapon. And now . .. now you're lost.”3
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“You're blinded by your own desire for
vengeance. Why are you doing this?" He reached out and grasped Altans shoulder. "For the Empire? For the love of the country? Which is it Trengsin? What story have you told yourself?”
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“It feels good to hate, doesn’t it? Up until now you’ve been storing your anger up and using it as fuel. But unless you learn to let it go, you are never going to find your way to the gods.”
Overall, a brilliant debut novel with a few problems but easy to overlook!! I would definitely recommend it!!
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I have been dying to read this but it has always intimidated me 😭
ITS TIME!! for Rebecca to break me into pieces again 😔 also Rowan can live in peace because I'm finally starting this 😭 this better be revolutionary ISTG 😤
•Buddy reading with one and only Roxy because what would I ever do without you 😔
August 11, 2022
The Poppy War is a historical military fantasy grounded in the bloody history of China’s 20th century in which Rin—a dark-skinned war orphan from the rural south—has fixed her heart on passing the Empire-wide placement test and attending the most prestigious military academy in Nikan, as a desperate lunge at the hope of escaping the gruesome inevitability of an arranged marriage.
A year at Sinegard of her rival classmates—all heirs of the Warlords and the wealthy and privileged—telling her to cease the folly of imagining herself their equal only gave Rin’s determination a more savage edge, and soon Rin learns, with the aid of her seemingly insane and much-disdained teacher, that she possesses a lethal aptitude for the nearly-mythical art of shamanism.
But the chain of wonders and horrors hadn’t ended with her discovery: the Nikans had lived with the certainty that sooner or later the Federation of Mugan would come and blood would flow, and when they did, Rin finds herself assigned to a company of the Cike—oddball misfits with shamanic powers—fighting for her country’s very survival. Through their shared heritage and a connection to a perilous divinity, Rin glimpses the world as her Commander—Altan—sees it: made simple by the righteousness and fury that were the legacy of their unjustly murdered people. And it made a good whetstone upon which to sharpen her own rage. Rin is determined to win this war and do whatever it takes to ensure that her country would never again be forced to its knees.
But just how many of those unavoidable choices will result in unforgivable consequences?
This is not a book for the faint of heart. The Poppy War is a wide array of unpleasant possibilities. My mind was unwinding the tangled threads with tattered patience, following each thread from one end to another through a thicket. The author is so good at building tension and sitting tone and once the action gets going, she only delights in twisting the knife deeper and deeper. I never knew in which parts to be elated and terrified, and I continuously felt the caution of wondering whether everything was a trick, or another lie. My expectations were so uprooted and jumbled that I was constantly forced to sit rapt with attention just to get my bearings.
But what truly snagged at me the most is waking up to the gruesome horrified realization that the author’s depiction of the war between Nikan and Mugen was strongly influenced by the Japanese invasion of China in the 1930s, and specifically the Nanjing Massacre (also known as the Rape of Nanking). There’s sadly nothing too far-fetched or too unbelievable about the horrors in this book and I just can't hold the reality of it all in my head without stirring a war in me between grief and utter disbelief.
I felt her every sorrow and anger and disappointment and so much loss with a keenness that often forced me to exclamation, to stamping my feet or clutching my book to my chest. And then she meets Altan and together, their wrath ignited, impossible to quell—carving through their minds and pushing everything out of its way.
Altan’s life has been a sequence of monsters one after another tossing him about to suit their whims, and it all eventually twisted into wild distorted rage and thwarted fury. He and Rin were two hollowed-out halves of a whole, two allegiances doing battle but the one that has been sewn into their blood since birth winning out, because they would always be the last remaining survivors of their kind, and that has become a truth that both guarded and isolated them.
And as much as I tried to take heart from their scattered successes, it was precious little to take heart from when it’s matched by horror at its costs and the knowledge that they both had finally become the worst of what they had always had the potential to be. Especially when I still can't shake off the feeling that all the characters are merely pawns in a very treacherous game.
A year at Sinegard of her rival classmates—all heirs of the Warlords and the wealthy and privileged—telling her to cease the folly of imagining herself their equal only gave Rin’s determination a more savage edge, and soon Rin learns, with the aid of her seemingly insane and much-disdained teacher, that she possesses a lethal aptitude for the nearly-mythical art of shamanism.
But the chain of wonders and horrors hadn’t ended with her discovery: the Nikans had lived with the certainty that sooner or later the Federation of Mugan would come and blood would flow, and when they did, Rin finds herself assigned to a company of the Cike—oddball misfits with shamanic powers—fighting for her country’s very survival. Through their shared heritage and a connection to a perilous divinity, Rin glimpses the world as her Commander—Altan—sees it: made simple by the righteousness and fury that were the legacy of their unjustly murdered people. And it made a good whetstone upon which to sharpen her own rage. Rin is determined to win this war and do whatever it takes to ensure that her country would never again be forced to its knees.
But just how many of those unavoidable choices will result in unforgivable consequences?
“War doesn’t determine who’s right. War determines who remains.”To be honest, summing up the plot of The Poppy War does it a huge disservice. For one thing, it unfurls into at least three books' worth of plot, but without ever feeling rushed or anything less than sure-footed and scrupulous in its exploration of character and setting. This is a dazzling debut painted by an inventive hand that takes hold and doesn’t let go. It’s full of imaginative flair, mad entombed gods, truths too heavy for the hearts, and a high-stakes quest for revenge—blending magical elements with a culturally vibrant cast of characters and creating a shadowy world dripping with blood and revenge, in which our fierce, head-strong heroine must claw her way to the top of a deadly pecking order. The author also created secondary characters that were just as richly crafted and multidimensional so that each one gives you a tinge of pain when they go.
This is not a book for the faint of heart. The Poppy War is a wide array of unpleasant possibilities. My mind was unwinding the tangled threads with tattered patience, following each thread from one end to another through a thicket. The author is so good at building tension and sitting tone and once the action gets going, she only delights in twisting the knife deeper and deeper. I never knew in which parts to be elated and terrified, and I continuously felt the caution of wondering whether everything was a trick, or another lie. My expectations were so uprooted and jumbled that I was constantly forced to sit rapt with attention just to get my bearings.
But what truly snagged at me the most is waking up to the gruesome horrified realization that the author’s depiction of the war between Nikan and Mugen was strongly influenced by the Japanese invasion of China in the 1930s, and specifically the Nanjing Massacre (also known as the Rape of Nanking). There’s sadly nothing too far-fetched or too unbelievable about the horrors in this book and I just can't hold the reality of it all in my head without stirring a war in me between grief and utter disbelief.
“Children ceased to be children when you put a sword in their hands. When you taught them to fight a war, then you armed them and put them on the front lines, they were not children anymore. They were soldiers.”Rin’s character radiated such an extraordinary vitality and her arc was nothing short of astounding—the years that stretched between the book’s beginning and its ending feeling impossibly vast. Everything Rin was, everything she’s become, grew out of the carnage of her people. Anger and indignation carved away everything else inside her—doubt, fear, embarrassment—leaving room for nothing else, and her will was a blade forged by the sight of her country being whittled down one small piece of itself at a time, despised and taken advantage of.
I felt her every sorrow and anger and disappointment and so much loss with a keenness that often forced me to exclamation, to stamping my feet or clutching my book to my chest. And then she meets Altan and together, their wrath ignited, impossible to quell—carving through their minds and pushing everything out of its way.
Altan’s life has been a sequence of monsters one after another tossing him about to suit their whims, and it all eventually twisted into wild distorted rage and thwarted fury. He and Rin were two hollowed-out halves of a whole, two allegiances doing battle but the one that has been sewn into their blood since birth winning out, because they would always be the last remaining survivors of their kind, and that has become a truth that both guarded and isolated them.
And as much as I tried to take heart from their scattered successes, it was precious little to take heart from when it’s matched by horror at its costs and the knowledge that they both had finally become the worst of what they had always had the potential to be. Especially when I still can't shake off the feeling that all the characters are merely pawns in a very treacherous game.
“But I warn you, little warrior. The price of power is pain.”Equal parts heartbreaking, and thoroughly satisfying, The Poppy War is the fantasy novel I feel I've been waiting two lifetimes and a half for. So clear your schedule before picking it up—you won't want to put it down!
August 25, 2018
I wish I hadn't read this.
Maybe I should've done my due diligence before picking up The Poppy War (I didn't). I just saw that it was:
1) an Asian-inspired fantasy
2) even rarer, actually by a Asian-American (!) author
3) highly rated on goodreads
and that was enough to get me really excited, so I immediately picked up a copy and started reading.
The first few chapters are good, and Rin, a dark-skinned peasant girl who busts her ass studying to get herself into an elite military academy is the kind of heroine you can root for. But the entire section at the military academy with school antics was both boring and juvenile (there is a major character who is a teacher and makes fart sounds with his elbow).
It should be noted that I was under the mistaken impression that I was reading a YA fantasy while I was reading the academy part. Even though I wasn't enjoying the book by then, I wanted to continue reading and give it a chance to improve, because Representation Matters (even if flawed) and I did love Harry Potter and Alanna when I was younger (though I haven't re-read them in years, so I suppose I can't judge accurately whether the reason I disliked the school part in The Poppy War is because it is badly written or because it's a trope I've grown out of as a whole). Then I realized this was an adult book, and I couldn't understand why Kuang hadn't began the book with action -- with battles or war or something, and fleshed out Rin's background through flashbacks and other devices. The school part truly reads like HP fanfiction (complete with an Asian Draco Malfoy) that doesn't belong in the same book as the rest of this novel. It created pacing problems and did not fit the tone of the rest of The Poppy War .
Once the war starts, the book gets progressively darker and faster paced. At first, I was happy that something was actually happening, and I thought this was a sign the book was picking up. Then, how the world-building was handled really became an issue for me. Nikan, Rin's country, is a stand-in for China, while Mugen, the nation attacking them, is based off Japan. The war that Kuang narrates is based on the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-45), though the world she makes isn't adorned with the modern technology to match: with no guns, cars, telephones, or radio, Rin's setting feels more medieval in conception --think horses, scrolls, and armor.
The line between fiction and reality is always blurred. Stories can be truth or fiction, or more likely, some shade of in-between. For the most violent and brutal events in human history, non-fiction books and documentaries are crucial for remembrance and understanding. Fictionalized takes on these events need to be handled carefully, but are also important. I'm read and watched realistic historical fiction about tragic or violent events, and when it's done right, it's extremely powerful.
What makes me uncomfortable with The Poppy War is that it's fantasy: gods and magic play a large part in the story. Nikan and Mugen are thinly veiled approximations of real nations. The fall of Golyn Niis is really the story of the Nanjing Massacre. The research facility Rin and Altan end up in is supposed to be Unit 731. Some of the most sickening, abhorrent instances of violence Kuang inflicts on characters in her book are things that happened to real people, as documented in photographs and first person accounts. Kuang is incredibly graphic about these details, and she's not using her imagination, but rather history, to write these scenes. To me, it feels exploitative and incredibly tasteless. To use other people's pain to make your fantasy novel more exciting. It's a line that I think shouldn't be crossed.
The utility of it -- for remembrance, for analysis -- is debatable. I don't know if the casual American reader of this book will have read The Rape of Nanking or been to Hall of Remembrance in Nanjing or understand how many Asian people from countries Japan attacked during the war still feel anger and pain about the brutal war crimes committed. Perhaps I'm more upset than I should be because I'm also Chinese-American and I care too much about how these things are represented and handled because let's face it, the audience for this work is going to be majority white Americans, who might not understand just how much of this is fact, not fiction, as the extent of how much this is taken straight from primary sources isn't made explicit in the blurb or in some sort of author note. I know comparisons between atrocities is ridiculous. But since it happened during the same period and is more familiar to Americans, I wonder how a fantasy novel that draws directly from firsthand accounts of torture inflicted on people in Auschwitz or war crimes committed by Nazis in order to entertain its readers and and justify the main character's genocidal arc would be received, and if it would seem just as tasteless and ill-advised. Oh, and by the way, everything has been fantasy-renamed to things like As'gmordor and Nasuaron and the map at the front of the book is just Europe flipped backwards.
It's not that The Poppy War is extremely violent or draws heavy inspiration from history that is really the problem. It's the way the world-building is executed and handled in relation to the real world: magic and gods are real, but Kuang, instead of using her imagination as fantasy authors are supposed to, merely changes the names of countries and cities, while using actual atrocities that happened to real people as her plot.
Kuang, I know, has the academic credentials (studying for a Chinese History MA) to back up her reasoning. Even so, to me, her story of drugged up X-men teenagers making stupid decisions completely failed to be a respectful, sensitive, or appropriate handling of the Nanjing Massacre or Unit 731 in fiction.
Maybe I should've done my due diligence before picking up The Poppy War (I didn't). I just saw that it was:
1) an Asian-inspired fantasy
2) even rarer, actually by a Asian-American (!) author
3) highly rated on goodreads
and that was enough to get me really excited, so I immediately picked up a copy and started reading.
The first few chapters are good, and Rin, a dark-skinned peasant girl who busts her ass studying to get herself into an elite military academy is the kind of heroine you can root for. But the entire section at the military academy with school antics was both boring and juvenile (there is a major character who is a teacher and makes fart sounds with his elbow).
It should be noted that I was under the mistaken impression that I was reading a YA fantasy while I was reading the academy part. Even though I wasn't enjoying the book by then, I wanted to continue reading and give it a chance to improve, because Representation Matters (even if flawed) and I did love Harry Potter and Alanna when I was younger (though I haven't re-read them in years, so I suppose I can't judge accurately whether the reason I disliked the school part in The Poppy War is because it is badly written or because it's a trope I've grown out of as a whole). Then I realized this was an adult book, and I couldn't understand why Kuang hadn't began the book with action -- with battles or war or something, and fleshed out Rin's background through flashbacks and other devices. The school part truly reads like HP fanfiction (complete with an Asian Draco Malfoy) that doesn't belong in the same book as the rest of this novel. It created pacing problems and did not fit the tone of the rest of The Poppy War .
Once the war starts, the book gets progressively darker and faster paced. At first, I was happy that something was actually happening, and I thought this was a sign the book was picking up. Then, how the world-building was handled really became an issue for me. Nikan, Rin's country, is a stand-in for China, while Mugen, the nation attacking them, is based off Japan. The war that Kuang narrates is based on the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-45), though the world she makes isn't adorned with the modern technology to match: with no guns, cars, telephones, or radio, Rin's setting feels more medieval in conception --think horses, scrolls, and armor.
The line between fiction and reality is always blurred. Stories can be truth or fiction, or more likely, some shade of in-between. For the most violent and brutal events in human history, non-fiction books and documentaries are crucial for remembrance and understanding. Fictionalized takes on these events need to be handled carefully, but are also important. I'm read and watched realistic historical fiction about tragic or violent events, and when it's done right, it's extremely powerful.
What makes me uncomfortable with The Poppy War is that it's fantasy: gods and magic play a large part in the story. Nikan and Mugen are thinly veiled approximations of real nations. The fall of Golyn Niis is really the story of the Nanjing Massacre. The research facility Rin and Altan end up in is supposed to be Unit 731. Some of the most sickening, abhorrent instances of violence Kuang inflicts on characters in her book are things that happened to real people, as documented in photographs and first person accounts. Kuang is incredibly graphic about these details, and she's not using her imagination, but rather history, to write these scenes. To me, it feels exploitative and incredibly tasteless. To use other people's pain to make your fantasy novel more exciting. It's a line that I think shouldn't be crossed.
The utility of it -- for remembrance, for analysis -- is debatable. I don't know if the casual American reader of this book will have read The Rape of Nanking or been to Hall of Remembrance in Nanjing or understand how many Asian people from countries Japan attacked during the war still feel anger and pain about the brutal war crimes committed. Perhaps I'm more upset than I should be because I'm also Chinese-American and I care too much about how these things are represented and handled because let's face it, the audience for this work is going to be majority white Americans, who might not understand just how much of this is fact, not fiction, as the extent of how much this is taken straight from primary sources isn't made explicit in the blurb or in some sort of author note. I know comparisons between atrocities is ridiculous. But since it happened during the same period and is more familiar to Americans, I wonder how a fantasy novel that draws directly from firsthand accounts of torture inflicted on people in Auschwitz or war crimes committed by Nazis in order to entertain its readers and and justify the main character's genocidal arc would be received, and if it would seem just as tasteless and ill-advised. Oh, and by the way, everything has been fantasy-renamed to things like As'gmordor and Nasuaron and the map at the front of the book is just Europe flipped backwards.
It's not that The Poppy War is extremely violent or draws heavy inspiration from history that is really the problem. It's the way the world-building is executed and handled in relation to the real world: magic and gods are real, but Kuang, instead of using her imagination as fantasy authors are supposed to, merely changes the names of countries and cities, while using actual atrocities that happened to real people as her plot.
Kuang, I know, has the academic credentials (studying for a Chinese History MA) to back up her reasoning. Even so, to me, her story of drugged up X-men teenagers making stupid decisions completely failed to be a respectful, sensitive, or appropriate handling of the Nanjing Massacre or Unit 731 in fiction.
May 23, 2018
“But I warn you, little warrior. The price of power is pain.”
Holy hell, what did I just read??
➽ A fantasy military school
➽ A rich world based on modern Chinese history
➽ Shamans and gods
➽ Detailed characterization leading to unforgettable characters
➽ Adorable, opium-smoking mentors
That's a basic list, but this book is all of that and SO MUCH MORE. I know 100% that The Poppy War will be one of my best reads of 2018.
Isn't it just so great when you find one of those books that completely drags you in, makes you fall in love with the characters, and demands that you sit on the edge of your seat for every horrific, nail-biting moment of it? This is one of those books for me. And I must issue a serious content warning: this book explores some very dark themes. Proceed with caution (or not at all) if you are particularly sensitive to scenes of war, drug use and addiction, genocide, racism, sexism, ableism, self-harm, torture, and rape (off-page but extremely horrific).
Because, despite the fairly innocuous first 200 pages, the title speaks the truth: this is a book about war. All of its horrors and atrocities. It is not sugar-coated, and it is often graphic. The "poppy" aspect refers to opium, which is a big part of this book. It is a fantasy, but the book draws inspiration from the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Rape of Nanking.
It begins with one of my favourite things: a downtrodden orphan attends a fantasy boarding school. However, Rin doesn't get to attend her school by being "chosen" or "special". She works her ass off studying for the Keju test, which allows her to go to the prestigious Sinegard - the best military school in the country. I absolutely love the message this book sends about the merits of hard work and perseverance over genetics and natural specialness. Nothing is handed to Rin on a plate.
This first part is much lighter than the rest of the book, but I enjoyed it immensely. And there are still many challenges to be faced in these early chapters. Rin must go up against school bullies and racist teachers who don't want a backwater war orphan in their classes. But she also encounters friendship and delightfully quirky teachers who like to get high on opium. And secrets. Secrets like that of the shamans who can conjure gods and use their powers - but those are just a myth, right?
But there's trouble brewing outside the school's walls. War is coming and Rin and her classmates will be put to the test again and again.
If she went with him, she would help him to unleash monsters. Monsters worse than the chimei. Monsters worse than anything in the Emperor's Menagerie-- because these monsters were not beasts, mindless things that could be leashed and controlled, but warriors. Shamans. The gods walking in humans, with no regard for the mortal world.
This is where things get very dark. The strong world-building and carefully-crafted characters set us up to care even more when the action really kicks in and lives are threatened. It is the very opposite of the "mindless action scenes" I have been complaining about recently in fantasy novels. I cared so deeply about the characters that the action scenes were extremely tense and terrifying.
I feel like my heart was pounding for the majority of this fantastic story. I can hardly recall the last time I was this engrossed in a book, and I am so so glad there will be more books to come. It's just a perfect blend of action, memorable characters, vividly-imagined setting and a look at humanity at its very worst. There's no romance, but there is a wonderful enemies-to-friends relationship that I can't wait to read more about.
I am so very excited about this series and seeing where the author takes us next.
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September 25, 2019
I'm not going to lie, I struggled with this one. Right up to about 45% in I was wondering how the hell anyone was giving this 5 stars - not only was it not grimdark, it was borderline/actual YA, and a rather blatant rip off of The Name of the Wind to boot, including but not limited to: super clever, good at EVERYTHING main character who gets a place at top university/college and proceeds to be trained/confused/challenged by quirky professor/lore master who is the only one who believes in/can do a specific type of magic etc etc. One of the first bits of magic he shows her is even how he can bend the air to his will. Hmmm. It's all school antics, with particular OTTness when one rude comment on the day of induction escalates a chance meeting into two characters becoming immediate mortal enemies. On top of that she nukes her womb because she has her first period- interesting choice, to make women useful only when we're neutered. Anyway, I'm not entirely knocking this part of the book, for all its faults it was the best bit.
Then you get book 2 and the violence/action levels go up a bit as the war hits and the school yard is left in the past. But Rin is hard to get on with, she's intensely childish and it's already clear that she wants power more for her own sake. She's jealous of her commander because he has more firepower than her and is even more dangerously reckless than Kvothe. She strops around for the entire book, increasingly losing any agency to emotional reactionary outbursts. The less said about book 3 the better, the stupidity of the decision making by Rin and her commander is on another level. The last two sections epitomise epic immaturity on the part of pretty much everyone, the only reason this isn't YA is because of the way violence is gratuitously used to up the levels. Sure, this is what happens in war, this is the kind of stuff that's happening now all over the world, but the levels of brutality do not fit the level of the rest of the story. Even in books where it's essentially a death arena (Red Rising/ Catching Fire), you didn't get the author lovingly describing (TRIGGER warning for extreme violence) . You also get a female character not seen since the first book brought back just so she can detail her repeated rape. It's the kind of stuff you get in horror, not fantasy and often not even in real grimdark. (This is not the novel to read for female empowerment despite having an apparently strong, female lead.) It feels more like someone wrote a coming of age/school story but wanted a bit more publicity so used the savagery to spice it up a bit. War is brutal, and yes use it so you can make people aware of just how sadistic and monstrous people can be when normal rules are destroyed, but you have to make it fit your narrative....It started all Harry Potter and ended with Saw.
The one thing that made the book for me was the incredible worldbuilding, it was excellent to have a Chinese and Japanese basis for the terrain as well as the historical and mythical past. If it didn't have that, I'm not sure it would even have got the two stars. I won't be reading any more.
ARC via Netgalley
Then you get book 2 and the violence/action levels go up a bit as the war hits and the school yard is left in the past. But Rin is hard to get on with, she's intensely childish and it's already clear that she wants power more for her own sake. She's jealous of her commander because he has more firepower than her and is even more dangerously reckless than Kvothe. She strops around for the entire book, increasingly losing any agency to emotional reactionary outbursts. The less said about book 3 the better, the stupidity of the decision making by Rin and her commander is on another level. The last two sections epitomise epic immaturity on the part of pretty much everyone, the only reason this isn't YA is because of the way violence is gratuitously used to up the levels. Sure, this is what happens in war, this is the kind of stuff that's happening now all over the world, but the levels of brutality do not fit the level of the rest of the story. Even in books where it's essentially a death arena (Red Rising/ Catching Fire), you didn't get the author lovingly describing (TRIGGER warning for extreme violence) . You also get a female character not seen since the first book brought back just so she can detail her repeated rape. It's the kind of stuff you get in horror, not fantasy and often not even in real grimdark. (This is not the novel to read for female empowerment despite having an apparently strong, female lead.) It feels more like someone wrote a coming of age/school story but wanted a bit more publicity so used the savagery to spice it up a bit. War is brutal, and yes use it so you can make people aware of just how sadistic and monstrous people can be when normal rules are destroyed, but you have to make it fit your narrative....It started all Harry Potter and ended with Saw.
The one thing that made the book for me was the incredible worldbuilding, it was excellent to have a Chinese and Japanese basis for the terrain as well as the historical and mythical past. If it didn't have that, I'm not sure it would even have got the two stars. I won't be reading any more.
ARC via Netgalley
January 20, 2020
You think I torture my characters? Pffft. I am a rank amateur compared to R.F. Kuang! Set in an alternate Asia and inspired by the Opium Wars and 19th Century colonialism in China, The Poppy War is the story of Rin, a small-town orphan whose only chance to escape poverty and an oppressive arranged marriage is to score top marks on the government’s exams and earn a place at Sinegard Academy, where the Nikara Empire’s best and brightest are trained for leadership. Imagine a combination of West Point, Oxford and Hogwarts, and if that sounds intriguing, it is! Just don’t get too attached to the place, because Rin’s training at Sinegard is only the beginning of our story. Nikara (think Qing dynasty China), a vast but disorganized empire with out-of-date technology and many warring internal factions, is on the verge of war with its old nemesis the Mugen Federation (think Imperialist Japan). Rin and a few other ragtag misfits with an aptitude for shamanist magic may be the only secret weapon that can stop Mugen from completely destroying their homeland. The problem is the type of magic Rin summons cannot easily be controlled. It could drive her crazy, take her over completely, or, you know, possibly start Armageddon. But other than that, I’m sure everything will be fine!
Not really. Though the beginning of the book may read like the fantasy narrative we all know and love — obscure girl goes through training to discover she is the Chosen One — Kuang subverts that narrative and quickly turns our expectations upside-down. She shows us how sinister a training academy can be, how it can be used for nefarious purposes, and how easily the teacher-student relationship can turn abusive and traumatizing. Who are the good guys here? Are there any? Kuang gives us no easy answers, but she lets us feel sympathy for our young protagonist Rin and her comrades. The cruelty and horror of war are vividly described, so be prepared for violence — graphic and awful, but entirely appropriate to the narrative. The big question becomes what Rin will choose. Is victory worth the price of her soul? No one is spared in this book. Everyone is beat up, orphaned, traumatized, killed, gravely injured, driven insane, dehumanized, abused and/or tortured. I loved it! I mean . . . I didn’t love the horrors described, or the vast amount of suffering, but the stakes were real, the story was grimly compelling, and the characters stayed with me long after I finished the book. Highly recommended. Now I am going to take a deep cleansing breath and prepare myself for more painful enjoyment (enjoyable pain?) in Kuang’s two sequels!
Not really. Though the beginning of the book may read like the fantasy narrative we all know and love — obscure girl goes through training to discover she is the Chosen One — Kuang subverts that narrative and quickly turns our expectations upside-down. She shows us how sinister a training academy can be, how it can be used for nefarious purposes, and how easily the teacher-student relationship can turn abusive and traumatizing. Who are the good guys here? Are there any? Kuang gives us no easy answers, but she lets us feel sympathy for our young protagonist Rin and her comrades. The cruelty and horror of war are vividly described, so be prepared for violence — graphic and awful, but entirely appropriate to the narrative. The big question becomes what Rin will choose. Is victory worth the price of her soul? No one is spared in this book. Everyone is beat up, orphaned, traumatized, killed, gravely injured, driven insane, dehumanized, abused and/or tortured. I loved it! I mean . . . I didn’t love the horrors described, or the vast amount of suffering, but the stakes were real, the story was grimly compelling, and the characters stayed with me long after I finished the book. Highly recommended. Now I am going to take a deep cleansing breath and prepare myself for more painful enjoyment (enjoyable pain?) in Kuang’s two sequels!
August 20, 2024
Pretty Sure Wonder Woman Wrote This Book
Rin, a war orphan, is facing a poorly arranged marriage unless she scores extremely well on an upcoming test, the Keju. Against all odds, she places into a slot at a prestigious military school. However, Rin’s time at the school is cut short as the third Poppy War threatens her very way of life.
R.F. Kuang is also known as Rebecca F. Kuang. She has attended Georgetown University, University of Cambridge, Oxford University, and Yale University. Kuang was born in 1996 and began writing The Poppy Wars while she was 19 years old during a gap year in China. The Poppy War was subsequently published in 2018 while Kuang was approximately 22 years old. How absolutely remarkable.
Most veteran authors could not have produced a novel to the caliber of The Poppy War. This book has all the hallmarks of an exceptional novel. It has imperfect characters doing their best and great storytelling. The Poppy War has a female lead who is having important conversation (not just talking about men or nail polish). While the book is fast paced, it also has incredible rivalries and interesting backstory. R.F. Kuang also established the groundwork to entice readers into the next book of the series. The first book was satisfying yet there were a couple of open plot points to lead to the next book.
My only complaint is that Book 1 contained the part where Rin is at school. Recently, I have read 3 other fantasy novels that involve overcoming obstacles to go to school: Harry Potter, The Name of the Wind, and Skyward. Although I understand that attending school is a highly relatable right of passage to many readers, I was craving something a bit more original given my current reads.
Overall, an exceptional fantasy novel, and I am excited to read more from R.F. Kuang.
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Jan A Town Like Alice
Feb Birdsong
Mar Captain Corelli's Mandolin - Louis De Berniere
Apr War and Peace
May The Woman in White
Jun Atonement
Jul The Shadow of the Wind
Aug Jude the Obscure
Sep Ulysses
Oct Vanity Fair
Nov A Fine Balance
Dec Germinal
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Rin, a war orphan, is facing a poorly arranged marriage unless she scores extremely well on an upcoming test, the Keju. Against all odds, she places into a slot at a prestigious military school. However, Rin’s time at the school is cut short as the third Poppy War threatens her very way of life.
R.F. Kuang is also known as Rebecca F. Kuang. She has attended Georgetown University, University of Cambridge, Oxford University, and Yale University. Kuang was born in 1996 and began writing The Poppy Wars while she was 19 years old during a gap year in China. The Poppy War was subsequently published in 2018 while Kuang was approximately 22 years old. How absolutely remarkable.
Most veteran authors could not have produced a novel to the caliber of The Poppy War. This book has all the hallmarks of an exceptional novel. It has imperfect characters doing their best and great storytelling. The Poppy War has a female lead who is having important conversation (not just talking about men or nail polish). While the book is fast paced, it also has incredible rivalries and interesting backstory. R.F. Kuang also established the groundwork to entice readers into the next book of the series. The first book was satisfying yet there were a couple of open plot points to lead to the next book.
My only complaint is that Book 1 contained the part where Rin is at school. Recently, I have read 3 other fantasy novels that involve overcoming obstacles to go to school: Harry Potter, The Name of the Wind, and Skyward. Although I understand that attending school is a highly relatable right of passage to many readers, I was craving something a bit more original given my current reads.
Overall, an exceptional fantasy novel, and I am excited to read more from R.F. Kuang.
2025 Reading Schedule
Jan A Town Like Alice
Feb Birdsong
Mar Captain Corelli's Mandolin - Louis De Berniere
Apr War and Peace
May The Woman in White
Jun Atonement
Jul The Shadow of the Wind
Aug Jude the Obscure
Sep Ulysses
Oct Vanity Fair
Nov A Fine Balance
Dec Germinal
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March 5, 2024
I barely know how to read.
Even at my most literate, the best thing a book can be is under 300 pages. There is nothing more appealing in the world than a tiny little volume of literary fiction: I get to feel smart twice over (because I'm reading a capital-B Book in a day).
So when I even pick up a book that's over the 350 mark, that's high praise already.
And I have long thought I've grown out of my fantasy stage of life, instead preferring depressing lit fic and boring old classics and however way I can be pretentious.
So the fact that I read this book, a 550-page monster of my least successful genre, in a couple of sittings, should say it all.
And the fact that people call this boring is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.
It has FIGHTING BOARDING SCHOOL that is also MAGIC BOARDING SCHOOL. It has nemeses. It has unlikely friendships.
Most importantly, it has an incredibly compelling and important fantasy depiction of imperialism, violence, colonization, and war, through the lens of the Rape of Nanking.
Per the advice of the brilliant and amazing Lily, I read this shortly after reading Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking. I recommend everyone do so.
It's tough reading, but it's necessary reading.
Bottom line: Redefined my idea of what fantasy can even be.
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pre-review
holy hell.
how do people call this book boring?
review to come / 4 stars
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currently-reading updates
me reading normally: time to pick up yet another 200 page book!
me during a readathon when i'm supposed to read as much as possible: this is a good time for the longest books i own
clear ur shit prompt 3: a book you were recommended
follow my progress here
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tbr review
this is your reminder that you are allowed to like or dislike whatever book you want, but the language you use when discussing it MATTERS.
especially if you are a white person reading an own voices narrative about an entire nation's trauma.
because apparently that needs to be said.
Even at my most literate, the best thing a book can be is under 300 pages. There is nothing more appealing in the world than a tiny little volume of literary fiction: I get to feel smart twice over (because I'm reading a capital-B Book in a day).
So when I even pick up a book that's over the 350 mark, that's high praise already.
And I have long thought I've grown out of my fantasy stage of life, instead preferring depressing lit fic and boring old classics and however way I can be pretentious.
So the fact that I read this book, a 550-page monster of my least successful genre, in a couple of sittings, should say it all.
And the fact that people call this boring is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.
It has FIGHTING BOARDING SCHOOL that is also MAGIC BOARDING SCHOOL. It has nemeses. It has unlikely friendships.
Most importantly, it has an incredibly compelling and important fantasy depiction of imperialism, violence, colonization, and war, through the lens of the Rape of Nanking.
Per the advice of the brilliant and amazing Lily, I read this shortly after reading Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking. I recommend everyone do so.
It's tough reading, but it's necessary reading.
Bottom line: Redefined my idea of what fantasy can even be.
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pre-review
holy hell.
how do people call this book boring?
review to come / 4 stars
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currently-reading updates
me reading normally: time to pick up yet another 200 page book!
me during a readathon when i'm supposed to read as much as possible: this is a good time for the longest books i own
clear ur shit prompt 3: a book you were recommended
follow my progress here
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tbr review
this is your reminder that you are allowed to like or dislike whatever book you want, but the language you use when discussing it MATTERS.
especially if you are a white person reading an own voices narrative about an entire nation's trauma.
because apparently that needs to be said.
February 24, 2018
Hi, there!
THE POPPY WAR is my book, so I'm obviously a bit biased. I wrote it over three months during the winter of 2015, signed with an agent in February 2016, and sold the book to Harper Voyager during my birthday weekend in May 2016. It's been nearly two years since then, so I'm terribly excited for it to finally go out in the world!
I'm going to use this space to tell you a little about THE POPPY WAR in case you're wondering whether you might enjoy reading it. This book is not a romance story. This is not a YA fantasy school story (sorry. I love those too.) Yes, there's a school, and we learn some things at the school, but please don't let that description deceive you as we leave that setting quite quickly.
This is, as I've always conceived it, a war story. It draws heavily on the Second Sino-Japanese war which–if you know anything about Asia–was one of the darkest and bloodiest moments in Chinese history. It grapples with the Rape of Nanjing. It deals heavily with opium and drug use. (Opium was a source of Chinese weakness. This book asks what would have happened if opium were instead a source of shamanic power.) This book is primarily about military strategy, collapsing empires, mad gods, and the human ability to make awful, ruthless decisions. It's about how dictators are made.
To be entirely frank, if you're turned off by violence, I might pick up a different book.
But! If you liked Avatar the Last Airbender but always wished it were a little darker and more fucked-up, you might like this. I think everyone writes, unconsciously or not, from the sources they loved, and this book ended up being my creative smorgasbord of ATLA, Ender's Game, The Grace of Kings, and Game of Thrones. I'm not saying THE POPPY WAR will necessarily read like those books. But geopolitical dramas mixed with brutally cruel choices is something I loved about all of those works, and I really hope that's reflected in the writing.
Thanks for stopping by, and I really hope you enjoy the book <3 <3 <3
THE POPPY WAR is my book, so I'm obviously a bit biased. I wrote it over three months during the winter of 2015, signed with an agent in February 2016, and sold the book to Harper Voyager during my birthday weekend in May 2016. It's been nearly two years since then, so I'm terribly excited for it to finally go out in the world!
I'm going to use this space to tell you a little about THE POPPY WAR in case you're wondering whether you might enjoy reading it. This book is not a romance story. This is not a YA fantasy school story (sorry. I love those too.) Yes, there's a school, and we learn some things at the school, but please don't let that description deceive you as we leave that setting quite quickly.
This is, as I've always conceived it, a war story. It draws heavily on the Second Sino-Japanese war which–if you know anything about Asia–was one of the darkest and bloodiest moments in Chinese history. It grapples with the Rape of Nanjing. It deals heavily with opium and drug use. (Opium was a source of Chinese weakness. This book asks what would have happened if opium were instead a source of shamanic power.) This book is primarily about military strategy, collapsing empires, mad gods, and the human ability to make awful, ruthless decisions. It's about how dictators are made.
To be entirely frank, if you're turned off by violence, I might pick up a different book.
But! If you liked Avatar the Last Airbender but always wished it were a little darker and more fucked-up, you might like this. I think everyone writes, unconsciously or not, from the sources they loved, and this book ended up being my creative smorgasbord of ATLA, Ender's Game, The Grace of Kings, and Game of Thrones. I'm not saying THE POPPY WAR will necessarily read like those books. But geopolitical dramas mixed with brutally cruel choices is something I loved about all of those works, and I really hope that's reflected in the writing.
Thanks for stopping by, and I really hope you enjoy the book <3 <3 <3
July 9, 2018
Hands down Best Fantasy of 2018!
This was such an amazing read and cannot wait to get my hands on the rest of the trilogy. The books will be insta buys for me!
War, school, magic, no freaking romance... This book kept me on my toes.
I have no doubt this series will become huge and I'll make sure to rave about it until you all read it!
PS. Just wanted to add that there are trigger warnings for... well everything. Self harm, drug use, rape, etc. It's a pretty dark book!
This was such an amazing read and cannot wait to get my hands on the rest of the trilogy. The books will be insta buys for me!
War, school, magic, no freaking romance... This book kept me on my toes.
I have no doubt this series will become huge and I'll make sure to rave about it until you all read it!
PS. Just wanted to add that there are trigger warnings for... well everything. Self harm, drug use, rape, etc. It's a pretty dark book!
August 22, 2019
This series is wonderful. Straight into the sequel for me.
June 9, 2023
wooooooooow
Lots to unpack here but overall I really respect the approach the author took.
Lots to unpack here but overall I really respect the approach the author took.
July 24, 2022
this book has done irreversible damage to my mental health, see you all in therapy
August 18, 2024
3.75/5 ★’s
❝𝒘𝒂𝒓 𝒅𝒐𝒆𝒔𝒏'𝒕 𝒅𝒆𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐'𝒔 𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕. 𝒘𝒂𝒓 𝒅𝒆𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒆𝒔 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒓𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒊𝒏𝒔.❞
would you believe me if i told you that there wasn’t an ounce of romance and i still ate this up? crazy, right? those who know me know that if there’s no romance, there’s no me. so, as a non fantasy girly…i suggest you pick this up🤭
i would love to give a full review that this book deserves, but i fear i won’t do it any justice because i wouldn’t even know where to begin. i admit that i was confused a lot during this book, but that’s simply because i don’t read fantasy often. the characters were everything tho and really made it enjoyable.
i cried. the last 100 pages did in fact ruin my life and i’m scared to continue so please hype me up😩
❝𝒘𝒂𝒓 𝒅𝒐𝒆𝒔𝒏'𝒕 𝒅𝒆𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒆 𝒘𝒉𝒐'𝒔 𝒓𝒊𝒈𝒉𝒕. 𝒘𝒂𝒓 𝒅𝒆𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒆𝒔 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒓𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒊𝒏𝒔.❞
would you believe me if i told you that there wasn’t an ounce of romance and i still ate this up? crazy, right? those who know me know that if there’s no romance, there’s no me. so, as a non fantasy girly…i suggest you pick this up🤭
i would love to give a full review that this book deserves, but i fear i won’t do it any justice because i wouldn’t even know where to begin. i admit that i was confused a lot during this book, but that’s simply because i don’t read fantasy often. the characters were everything tho and really made it enjoyable.
i cried. the last 100 pages did in fact ruin my life and i’m scared to continue so please hype me up😩
June 6, 2018
The Nikara believed in strictly defined social roles, a rigid hierarchy that all were locked into at birth. Everything had its own place under heaven. Princelings became Warlords, cadets became soldiers, and orphan shopgirls from Tikany should be content with remaining orphan shopgirls from Tikany.Epic. Spectacular. Breathtaking. This is the one of the best books I have ever read in my adult life. I literally could not put it down. I'm gushing, I know, but it is THAT. GOOD. Holy shit this book is brutal. The author is an expert on military strategy and I believe it. If you guys have a weak stomach, this is not for you, but holy shit this is good.
Well, fuck the heavenly order of things.
Really.
Oh, and no romance. Just girl-power asskickery. UNF.
I don't want to compare this to Harry Potter because it is so dissimilar, but the premise is a familiar one that will draw comparison, however unlikely. A downtrodden orphan doomed to a miserable life until an opportunity opened up that brings them to an school designated for the special.
Unlike Harry Potter, the spot at this school is EARNED, through merit, not through mere chance of birth. And the risks are far greater should our hero fail. Mulan ain't got nothing on this bitch, and I use bitch as a term of praise. You gotta get down and dirty and nasty to survive.
16-year old Rin has a miserable existence. She is an orphan, worked to the bone and intended to be sold off to a ghastly old merchant once she comes of age. She rejects that destiny. In the kingdom, there is an annual test that every pupil takes. If they score high, they get to go to a school to be educated and trained. Sinegard is the best school of them all.
By studying her fucking ass off, Rin makes it to the top.
Her name was at the very top of the scroll. She hadn’t placed in the top ten. She’d placed at the top of the entire village. The entire province.There's no magical induction ceremony here. Life is hard and Rin is hopelessly behind. Her peers are the sons and daughters of the rich and powerful, who have trained for this their whole life. Rin came from nothing and she quickly discovers that she is nothing. It is unimaginably harder than she could have envisioned.
She had bribed a teacher. She had stolen opium. She had burned herself, lied to her foster parents, abandoned her responsibilities at the store, and broken a marriage deal.
And she was going to Sinegard.
She had made it all the way across the country to a place she had spent years dreaming of, only to discover a hostile, confusing city that despised southerners. She had no home in Tikany or Sinegard. Everywhere she traveled, everywhere she escaped to, she was just a war orphan who was not supposed to be there.Her peers hate her. Her teachers hate her. The school is supposed to be based on a system of merit. It's not. Life is full of prejudice, especially for a peasant girl, and people let her know of their contempt.
She felt so terribly alone.
“Every year we get someone like you, some country bumpkin who thinks that just because they were good at taking some test, they deserve my time and attention. Understand this, southerner. The exam proves nothing. Discipline and competence—those are the only things that matter at this school. That boy”—Jun jerked his thumb in the direction Nezha had gone—“may be an ass, but he has the makings of a commander in him. You, on the other hand, are just peasant trash.”Enemies abound. Rin will fail many times before she succeeds.
No—they couldn’t just do this to her. They might think they could sweep her away like rubbish, but she didn’t have to lie down and take it. She had come from nothing. She wasn’t going back to nothing.The world building is unbelievably intricate. It is based on Ancient China, and it does a great job of portraying an alternate history. I would compare it to Guy Gavriel's Under Heaven in that it is loosely based on it, and completely believable, while having elements that distinguishes it from being an actual historical retelling. My only complaint is the names. They're Western or Middle-Eastern based names of sort, and I would have preferred Chinese names too.
But if the Keju had taught her anything, it was that pain was the price of success.
And she hadn’t burned herself in a long time.
Success required sacrifice. Sacrifice meant pain. Pain meant success.
The world built in this book is extraordinarily intricate.
The characters are fantastic, from the mysterious Altan to my favorite, Master Jiang. He seriously is so awesome and hilarious.
Jiang was an effective if unconventional combat instructor. He made her hold her kicks up in the air for long minutes until her leg trembled. He made her duck as he hurled projectiles at her off the weapons rack. He made her do the same exercise blindfolded, and then admitted later that he just thought it would be funny.I am left utterly astonished by the scale and depth of this book. Bravo. Fucking bravo. This is a masterpiece.
“You’re a real asshole,” she said. “You know that, right?”
October 21, 2018
Low 3 Stars
Boy, did it take me forever to finish this thing.
I really wanted to love this book. One of my favorite reviewers adored it and sang it's praises, but it just didn't draw me in the way I thought it would.
The last 150 pages or so got really good (thus why I rated it 3 instead of the possible 2 I was planning on up until that point - not that it matters) and I smashed through them in one sitting; however, it still didn't save the entire book for me.
I felt that the world-building was loose and the magic system somewhat unclear. I also felt like I never truly got to know the characters. Their characterizations were very surface-level...and completely inconsistent to boot. I didn't like our protagonist, Rin (I thought she acted like a whiny child who threw tantrums every now and then) and, other than Altan, almost all the other characters felt like one big blob of background noise with no truly defining characteristics or story lines of their own.
Thus, I spent the entirety of the book not really knowing for what or whom I should (or wanted) to root. And I'm a rooter. I need to know whose side I'm on, especially in my fantasy.
I might continue with book 2 when/if it comes out as it's possible I will love that whole book to the level I loved the last 150 pages of this one; but we shall see.
Regardless, I know I am very much in the minority with this book, so I would encourage you to still give it a go if it was something that caught your eye.
Boy, did it take me forever to finish this thing.
I really wanted to love this book. One of my favorite reviewers adored it and sang it's praises, but it just didn't draw me in the way I thought it would.
The last 150 pages or so got really good (thus why I rated it 3 instead of the possible 2 I was planning on up until that point - not that it matters) and I smashed through them in one sitting; however, it still didn't save the entire book for me.
I felt that the world-building was loose and the magic system somewhat unclear. I also felt like I never truly got to know the characters. Their characterizations were very surface-level...and completely inconsistent to boot. I didn't like our protagonist, Rin (I thought she acted like a whiny child who threw tantrums every now and then) and, other than Altan, almost all the other characters felt like one big blob of background noise with no truly defining characteristics or story lines of their own.
Thus, I spent the entirety of the book not really knowing for what or whom I should (or wanted) to root. And I'm a rooter. I need to know whose side I'm on, especially in my fantasy.
I might continue with book 2 when/if it comes out as it's possible I will love that whole book to the level I loved the last 150 pages of this one; but we shall see.
Regardless, I know I am very much in the minority with this book, so I would encourage you to still give it a go if it was something that caught your eye.
December 18, 2023
with all due respect, please read this book or i will make you.
December 27, 2022
TW: child abuse; self harm; death of animals; VERY graphic violence; gore; graphic torture; graphic deaths particularly of women and children; rape; self-sterilization; opium use
(Note that this is not throughout the book; the torture and graphic death are mostly present in 2 chapters)
This is a adult grimdark fantasy inspired by the historical events of the second Sino-Japanese war. It weaves the fantastical elements of magic and gods with the grim realities of war. I adored our characters and how their history impacts their motivations. Rin is one of my new favorite characters.
I’m looking forward to the rest of this series!
(Note that this is not throughout the book; the torture and graphic death are mostly present in 2 chapters)
This is a adult grimdark fantasy inspired by the historical events of the second Sino-Japanese war. It weaves the fantastical elements of magic and gods with the grim realities of war. I adored our characters and how their history impacts their motivations. Rin is one of my new favorite characters.
I’m looking forward to the rest of this series!
January 11, 2021
reread 1/8/21: Reading this another time knowing exactly how everything ends is... so painful. I feel such a deep sense of despair for these characters and how their lives are touched and terribly scarred by war and trauma. I was able to appreciate Rin’s character arc in a whole new light after reading the next books, and I also shed a lot of my initial dislike of Altan this time around. This book and series is so wonderfully written, and it is so tragic to witness but a blessing at the same time.
—★—
what I should be thinking: The Poppy War explores themes of power, ambition, and humanity with a skill that is thoroughly inspiring for an author only 21 years old at the time of publishing, and Kuang expertly develops Rin into a character you hate yet also, somehow, adore. The book snakes its way through your brain, subtly becoming an obsession that only grows as time passes, and each day you find yourself thinking about how perfect of a book it is.
what I’m actually thinking: Fang Runin please step on me.
—★—
It feels like my life has been split into two eras: Before The Poppy War, and After The Poppy War.
There is no way to write a review that encompasses both my love for and the literary excellence of this book, and there are already some brilliant reviews out there (my personal favorites are Petrik’s and Jami’s). But my feelings about this book have grown to become an irritating cramp in my side, constantly pestering me: I genuinely cannot stop thinking about it every day. There is a burgeoning need in me to get something written down before I spontaneously combust.
The Poppy War follows a girl named Rin, a dark-skinned poor orphan who, to everyone’s surprise, manages to get into Nikan’s prestigious military academy Sinegard. There, she is relentlessly bullied for her skin color, gender, and economic status, yet she works tirelessly and climbs to the top of her class. But war is looming, and soon, with the dangerous, destructive shamanic powers she accidentally accessed, she shifts from student to soldier and is forced to make difficult decisions to save her country.
I think my favorite thing about the entire book—which is a grand statement to make considering how excellent it is in every aspect—is Rin. Her character development is phenomenal, and not only in terms of who she becomes in the story, but also just Kuang’s ability to craft a character so well. It’s made clear from the very start that whether or not you like Rin is up for you to decide, and this idea only grows as Rin begins to make questionable choices.
But god, if you don’t find yourself rooting for her, at least in the beginning, I’m not sure you get the point at all: Rin is a girl who, throughout her entire life, has fought against every person who tells her she is a burden and she is lesser, every obstacle that represents how her very own existence is an inferiority. And she never stops fighting. Everything Rin does is a pushback against her oppressors: gaining power, becoming a top student, turning into the perfect warrior and soldier (or… mostly perfect), and most of all using her anger and desire for vengeance as a motivation. Many of her actions are morally ambiguous, but you always understand the reasoning behind them, and whether or not you like her or agree with what she does, you still can’t help but feel a keen sense of both compassion and sadness for her.
(I love her so much. I love her so, so much.)
Kuang also writes other characters just as complex as Rin, most notably Altan. He is the sole survivor of a massacre that destroyed his race, and his life has only consisted of suffering and trauma. Now he’s seen only as a weapon to use to the Nikara military’s advantage. And it’s heartbreaking to see his rage fester, because it’s the one thing he’s ever known, and this hatred and desire for vengeance against Nikan was brought upon themselves for the things they did to his race.
Rin and Altan share many characteristics—Altan is her commander and role model—a large one being that neither of them are seen as human. I will never stop losing my mind and being desperately sad over how they are seen as risky yet powerful weapons but disposable once used, and how this view of them is exactly what shaped them into who they are now, is exactly why they do the things they do. Their complex relationship is written so masterfully, especially in the sequel The Dragon Republic, and I feel like I could wail about them forever. I may not love Altan, but I still appreciate the way that Kuang makes me mind-blown over his development.
I also don’t want to forget Kitay and Nezha, who are some of Rin’s classmates that I love a lot. They’re both assholes, in all honesty, but it’s part of their charm! I feel like they are more developed in The Dragon Republic, as this installment seems to focus more on Altan, but they still have important roles in Rin’s life, as the only friend she had in Sinegard and her bully-turned-friend(-turned-LOVER?), respectively.
(I guess my one complaint for the entire book is that there are some side characters, specifically the members of the Cike, who are not that developed. But that’s my only critique and it’s so minor that it is practically irrelevant! I also didn’t care that much because, if it isn’t obvious, I pretty much just care about Rin.)
On top of the excellent character work, Kuang succeeds in many other areas of the book as well. The way war is depicted stands out the most: She does not shy back, and I didn’t want her to. It’s brutal and graphic and most definitely difficult to read (content warnings at the end), but the way it viscerally tears at you is unforgettable and that’s the exact kind of effect it should have. It’s a harsh reminder of how viciously cruel humans can be, especially when you realize that what happens in the book is based on real-life historical events. You question over and over again, What lets humans do this to one another? How can such wicked violence be justified? How can people commit atrocities and not feel an ounce of remorse? and if that isn’t the lovely, jarring reading experience I want!!
A good fantasy must have good worldbuilding, and The Poppy War doesn’t disappoint in this aspect either. I’m not usually one to notice worldbuilding unless it stands out, either in a really good or really bad way, and Kuang’s worldbuilding is definitely on the really good side of the spectrum. Shamanism, gods, and magic are among the fantastical elements of the worldbuilding. The concept you usually see in fantasy of “magic is glorious and practicing it makes you healthier” is subverted into “magic can destroy you and you risk insanity each time you call upon the gods” and I adored it, especially when looking at it through the lens of how it furthered Rin’s character development. (Again, if it’s not clear yet, I! love!! Rin!!!)
Just the geographic worldbuilding was enjoyable to me as well—the explorations of colonialism and imperialism are so well-done. The way it mirrors our world, with China, Japan, and the West, is also something I really adore, because it depicts the horrific war crimes that Japan has committed while also painting the West as, dare I say it, the larger evil. (This is developed more in book 2 than in book 1, but I think it’s still worth mentioning.)
The final cherry on top, though, is Kuang’s prose and ability to write everything in a deeply compelling way. It’s simple and lovely and engaging, and it fits perfectly with the heavy content. This book is one that I chose to read for an English project, and for one of my assignments I talked about how there aren’t too many details in her writing, yet somehow I can imagine everything clearly and her words still have a strong emotional impact. (This assignment was a video that ended up being over 20 minutes long because, clearly, I cannot shut up about this book.)
It’s also worth noting that I struggle a lot to get through long adult fantasy novels, but this one was an exception. If you’re looking for an easier to read adult fantasy in terms of dense or heavy writing, I definitely recommend this one. I kept reading 100 pages in one sitting before realizing I had to stop reading, and everything seemed to fly by so quickly. It’s a wonder how 500+ pages can feel like nothing, yet I think back on this book and feel a strange flurry of excitement at the prospect of rereading it all within a day.
I’ve been writing this review for around three hours now (even though it feels like no time has passed because I could go on and on about this book). It’s certainly not my best, and there is so much more I could say to display how this book is absolute perfection. I don’t know if there’s someone out there who still hasn’t read this yet, but if there is, imagine me on my knees begging you to read it and experience the masterpiece that is The Poppy War for yourself. Rin will forever remain one of my favorite characters (step on me step on me step on me), and I won’t be getting over this book for a long time. It’s genuinely one of the best I’ve ever read, both subjectively and objectively, and I cannot recommend it enough!
—★—
:: rep :: Asian-inspired (mainly Chinese-) cast
:: content warnings :: war themes (death, murder, violence, etc.), drug use, substance addiction, suicide, self-harm, racism, colorism, misogyny, genocide, bullying, abandonment, abuse, animal death, animal cruelty, brutal & graphic torture, killing & rape, mutilation, human experimentation
// buddy reread with rain!!
—★—
what I should be thinking: The Poppy War explores themes of power, ambition, and humanity with a skill that is thoroughly inspiring for an author only 21 years old at the time of publishing, and Kuang expertly develops Rin into a character you hate yet also, somehow, adore. The book snakes its way through your brain, subtly becoming an obsession that only grows as time passes, and each day you find yourself thinking about how perfect of a book it is.
what I’m actually thinking: Fang Runin please step on me.
—★—
It feels like my life has been split into two eras: Before The Poppy War, and After The Poppy War.
There is no way to write a review that encompasses both my love for and the literary excellence of this book, and there are already some brilliant reviews out there (my personal favorites are Petrik’s and Jami’s). But my feelings about this book have grown to become an irritating cramp in my side, constantly pestering me: I genuinely cannot stop thinking about it every day. There is a burgeoning need in me to get something written down before I spontaneously combust.
The Poppy War follows a girl named Rin, a dark-skinned poor orphan who, to everyone’s surprise, manages to get into Nikan’s prestigious military academy Sinegard. There, she is relentlessly bullied for her skin color, gender, and economic status, yet she works tirelessly and climbs to the top of her class. But war is looming, and soon, with the dangerous, destructive shamanic powers she accidentally accessed, she shifts from student to soldier and is forced to make difficult decisions to save her country.
I think my favorite thing about the entire book—which is a grand statement to make considering how excellent it is in every aspect—is Rin. Her character development is phenomenal, and not only in terms of who she becomes in the story, but also just Kuang’s ability to craft a character so well. It’s made clear from the very start that whether or not you like Rin is up for you to decide, and this idea only grows as Rin begins to make questionable choices.
But god, if you don’t find yourself rooting for her, at least in the beginning, I’m not sure you get the point at all: Rin is a girl who, throughout her entire life, has fought against every person who tells her she is a burden and she is lesser, every obstacle that represents how her very own existence is an inferiority. And she never stops fighting. Everything Rin does is a pushback against her oppressors: gaining power, becoming a top student, turning into the perfect warrior and soldier (or… mostly perfect), and most of all using her anger and desire for vengeance as a motivation. Many of her actions are morally ambiguous, but you always understand the reasoning behind them, and whether or not you like her or agree with what she does, you still can’t help but feel a keen sense of both compassion and sadness for her.
(I love her so much. I love her so, so much.)
Kuang also writes other characters just as complex as Rin, most notably Altan. He is the sole survivor of a massacre that destroyed his race, and his life has only consisted of suffering and trauma. Now he’s seen only as a weapon to use to the Nikara military’s advantage. And it’s heartbreaking to see his rage fester, because it’s the one thing he’s ever known, and this hatred and desire for vengeance against Nikan was brought upon themselves for the things they did to his race.
Rin and Altan share many characteristics—Altan is her commander and role model—a large one being that neither of them are seen as human. I will never stop losing my mind and being desperately sad over how they are seen as risky yet powerful weapons but disposable once used, and how this view of them is exactly what shaped them into who they are now, is exactly why they do the things they do. Their complex relationship is written so masterfully, especially in the sequel The Dragon Republic, and I feel like I could wail about them forever. I may not love Altan, but I still appreciate the way that Kuang makes me mind-blown over his development.
I also don’t want to forget Kitay and Nezha, who are some of Rin’s classmates that I love a lot. They’re both assholes, in all honesty, but it’s part of their charm! I feel like they are more developed in The Dragon Republic, as this installment seems to focus more on Altan, but they still have important roles in Rin’s life, as the only friend she had in Sinegard and her bully-turned-friend(-turned-LOVER?), respectively.
(I guess my one complaint for the entire book is that there are some side characters, specifically the members of the Cike, who are not that developed. But that’s my only critique and it’s so minor that it is practically irrelevant! I also didn’t care that much because, if it isn’t obvious, I pretty much just care about Rin.)
On top of the excellent character work, Kuang succeeds in many other areas of the book as well. The way war is depicted stands out the most: She does not shy back, and I didn’t want her to. It’s brutal and graphic and most definitely difficult to read (content warnings at the end), but the way it viscerally tears at you is unforgettable and that’s the exact kind of effect it should have. It’s a harsh reminder of how viciously cruel humans can be, especially when you realize that what happens in the book is based on real-life historical events. You question over and over again, What lets humans do this to one another? How can such wicked violence be justified? How can people commit atrocities and not feel an ounce of remorse? and if that isn’t the lovely, jarring reading experience I want!!
A good fantasy must have good worldbuilding, and The Poppy War doesn’t disappoint in this aspect either. I’m not usually one to notice worldbuilding unless it stands out, either in a really good or really bad way, and Kuang’s worldbuilding is definitely on the really good side of the spectrum. Shamanism, gods, and magic are among the fantastical elements of the worldbuilding. The concept you usually see in fantasy of “magic is glorious and practicing it makes you healthier” is subverted into “magic can destroy you and you risk insanity each time you call upon the gods” and I adored it, especially when looking at it through the lens of how it furthered Rin’s character development. (Again, if it’s not clear yet, I! love!! Rin!!!)
Just the geographic worldbuilding was enjoyable to me as well—the explorations of colonialism and imperialism are so well-done. The way it mirrors our world, with China, Japan, and the West, is also something I really adore, because it depicts the horrific war crimes that Japan has committed while also painting the West as, dare I say it, the larger evil. (This is developed more in book 2 than in book 1, but I think it’s still worth mentioning.)
The final cherry on top, though, is Kuang’s prose and ability to write everything in a deeply compelling way. It’s simple and lovely and engaging, and it fits perfectly with the heavy content. This book is one that I chose to read for an English project, and for one of my assignments I talked about how there aren’t too many details in her writing, yet somehow I can imagine everything clearly and her words still have a strong emotional impact. (This assignment was a video that ended up being over 20 minutes long because, clearly, I cannot shut up about this book.)
It’s also worth noting that I struggle a lot to get through long adult fantasy novels, but this one was an exception. If you’re looking for an easier to read adult fantasy in terms of dense or heavy writing, I definitely recommend this one. I kept reading 100 pages in one sitting before realizing I had to stop reading, and everything seemed to fly by so quickly. It’s a wonder how 500+ pages can feel like nothing, yet I think back on this book and feel a strange flurry of excitement at the prospect of rereading it all within a day.
I’ve been writing this review for around three hours now (even though it feels like no time has passed because I could go on and on about this book). It’s certainly not my best, and there is so much more I could say to display how this book is absolute perfection. I don’t know if there’s someone out there who still hasn’t read this yet, but if there is, imagine me on my knees begging you to read it and experience the masterpiece that is The Poppy War for yourself. Rin will forever remain one of my favorite characters (step on me step on me step on me), and I won’t be getting over this book for a long time. It’s genuinely one of the best I’ve ever read, both subjectively and objectively, and I cannot recommend it enough!
—★—
:: rep :: Asian-inspired (mainly Chinese-) cast
:: content warnings :: war themes (death, murder, violence, etc.), drug use, substance addiction, suicide, self-harm, racism, colorism, misogyny, genocide, bullying, abandonment, abuse, animal death, animal cruelty, brutal & graphic torture, killing & rape, mutilation, human experimentation
March 1, 2021
This book thoroughly destroyed me.
This is dark and heavy and not at all an easy read. It’s a story of vengeance, hatred, and manipulation. Added to the bleak retelling of the darkest period in Chinese history, it’s a painful book to read. But it’s so, so good.
Rin, a peasant from the south, is a ruthless, determined, ambitious character who craves power over all other things. She’s a student at Sinegard, a prestigious military academy, but she stands out because of her dark skin and accent. She has to fight twice as hard to get to the top. Along the way, she discovers a power within herself that is fueled by her own anger. She longs to unleash it and burn the world down, but the gods are never to be trusted, and nothing comes for free. The grey morality is excellent.
Altan, the only survivor after his entire race was butchered in a previous war, is a complex and layered character. He’s filled with a hatred so strong it manifests itself in his fire, but he hides it deep within him, using it to fuel his brutality. He’s a raging force of nature, a sly, cunning commander intent on revenge--but his weaknesses and his strengths both lie in his fury.
This book does not romanticize war, and I’m thankful. We live in a culture where fighting is glorified and praised as heroic. The Poppy War presents a brutal, raw, and honest perspective where war is seen as the horrific, cruel act it truly is, instead of being glossed over. It’s a commentary on the horrors of human brutality and the violence we are capable of.
This is about strategy, politics, sacrifice. It’s not for the faint of heart. It’s intense, bloody--but extremely intelligent. Only a portion of the book is spent in the academy, but the lessons are well-researched and incredibly thoughtful. This is not your typical fantasy school story. It’s not really a fantasy school story at all. It’s a reflection on the ethical dilemma of sacrificing everything for the greater good, despite the unthinkable costs.
The Poppy War is difficult to read. It’s a page-turner, but a dark one. The questions it raises are relevant, heartbreaking, sometimes controversial. But I promise you, it is worth it.
5 stars
This is dark and heavy and not at all an easy read. It’s a story of vengeance, hatred, and manipulation. Added to the bleak retelling of the darkest period in Chinese history, it’s a painful book to read. But it’s so, so good.
Rin, a peasant from the south, is a ruthless, determined, ambitious character who craves power over all other things. She’s a student at Sinegard, a prestigious military academy, but she stands out because of her dark skin and accent. She has to fight twice as hard to get to the top. Along the way, she discovers a power within herself that is fueled by her own anger. She longs to unleash it and burn the world down, but the gods are never to be trusted, and nothing comes for free. The grey morality is excellent.
"'They were monsters!' Rin shrieked. 'They were not human!'
Kitay opened his mouth. No sound came out. He closed it. When he finally spoke again, it sounded as if he was close to tears.
'Have you ever considered,' he said slowly, 'that that was exactly what they thought of us?'"
Altan, the only survivor after his entire race was butchered in a previous war, is a complex and layered character. He’s filled with a hatred so strong it manifests itself in his fire, but he hides it deep within him, using it to fuel his brutality. He’s a raging force of nature, a sly, cunning commander intent on revenge--but his weaknesses and his strengths both lie in his fury.
This book does not romanticize war, and I’m thankful. We live in a culture where fighting is glorified and praised as heroic. The Poppy War presents a brutal, raw, and honest perspective where war is seen as the horrific, cruel act it truly is, instead of being glossed over. It’s a commentary on the horrors of human brutality and the violence we are capable of.
“Children ceased to be children when you put a sword in their hands. When you taught them to fight a war, then you armed them and put them on the front lines, they were not children anymore. They were soldiers.”
This is about strategy, politics, sacrifice. It’s not for the faint of heart. It’s intense, bloody--but extremely intelligent. Only a portion of the book is spent in the academy, but the lessons are well-researched and incredibly thoughtful. This is not your typical fantasy school story. It’s not really a fantasy school story at all. It’s a reflection on the ethical dilemma of sacrificing everything for the greater good, despite the unthinkable costs.
“Those weren’t lives.
They were numbers.
They were a necessary subtraction.”
The Poppy War is difficult to read. It’s a page-turner, but a dark one. The questions it raises are relevant, heartbreaking, sometimes controversial. But I promise you, it is worth it.
5 stars
March 22, 2024
ᝰ.ᐟ ⊹ ✉️ 4 stars. 𓏲࣪
⤿ spoilers are marked ┆ links + trigger warnings listed at end
at its core, the poppy war is not a simple historical fantasy- it’s an examination of china’s twentieth century, and is at its most interesting when you’re reading through an analytical lens. the question this trilogy tries to answer is: how could someone with simple, backwater roots, turn into a powerful and twisted dictator? what makes a monster? i feel like this is something only r.f. kuang could write, weaving in narratives of militaristic themes and treachery. she leaves a devastating effect on the reader, asking us to wonder about the change of someone going from fighting for the greater good into the oppressor itself.
i. the plot. the poppy war chronicles rin’s story, who aces the keju, which is a national test that's purpose is to find the most talented individuals in the empire. even though many cannot even fathom the idea that a peasant could do so well, she blocks everyone’s negativity out and attends sinegard, an elite military school only for the fittest. while she fights inner battles involving poverty and gender, rin realizes that the nikara empire and the federation of mugen might just be on the brink of a third poppy war. we follow her as she realizes that perhaps she is becoming the monster that she’s feared from the very beginning, slowly loosening her grip on her humanity.
ii. analysis. so incredibly engaging, and the parallels that were crafted in the plot is to thank for that. mao zedong, leader of china from its establishment 1949-1966, is supposed to represent rin, as he has built up a reputation that is both revered and feared, culminating into one of history’s greatest debates. when i was doing research on him as a person, i came across an article that talked about the divide when it comes to zedong as a leader: was he a great savior, or a harbinger of impending doom? although i haven’t done nearly enough research to formulate an opinion on him, it’s clear how he relates to our fmc- their shared innate craving of power and what means they will use to get what they want. i’m sure that kuang used this in some way when writing the other books in the trilogy: she always relies on fantasy and speculative fiction as a powerful tool to create empathy, and of course make us visualize ourselves in the minds of characters with questionable morals yet profound beliefs. at least in my experience!
spoilers from here on, until the trigger warnings <3
⤿ fang runin. i’ve read so many points about how she, as a character, was so distant and disconnected, but something that is extremely important to understand is that rin is intentionally written as a “perpetrator of genocide.” kuang stated in an interview that she loved writing the poppy war so much because of her thesis: what if the villain deeply cared about the people they loved? what if they were passionate, had something to strive for, and would save a friend if it meant sacrificing their own life? rin is a character study of how madness confuses. put simply, she is an anti-hero. rin’s corrupt and reckless, has a craving for gratification, and validates herself based on praise. her change from thinking of herself as a measly, coward girl to everything is addicting to read about! inevitably, i feel like the euphoria rin achieves from power will be the end of her, but i’m desperately holding out hope for her to have some miraculous redemption arc.
⤿ chen kitay. my love. he cares about rin in such a beautiful way, i just adore him and their platonic relationship was refreshing to read! kitay learns how to be stable and have more security in himself, not give all of his attention to one singular individual, and access the admirable ability to retain his bravery even with the terrible, inhumane events that he has witnessed firsthand. what i loved most about kitay is how the author implied that even with an upbringing of privilege, he was the one who, in my opinion, was the strongest in the end.
there was this exchange between rin and kitay which was not only written brilliantly, but it highlighted their unique traits and characteristics in a way that i never could:
[⊹ i’m about to leave you with a long list of trigger warnings, and a little note. please be prepared when reading this, because there’s content in here that can be quite disturbing. i just want to make sure everyone who tries reading this trilogy knows that this book is unfiltered, giving us crystal-clear visuals. please make sure you feel comfortable when touching on this material]
⌗ 🏷️┆ trigger/content warnings: rape, animal abuse and death, human torture and experimentation, self-harm, racism, misogyny, substance addiction, drugs, murder, abandonment, and war. please keep in mind that this may not be all of them!
links:
ches’ review (she’s just so talented and one of my favorite writers and reviewers, also the sweetest ever)
ju’s review WILL BE LINKED because it is the cutest and everyone needs to read it <3
the rape of nanking
forgotten ally: china’s world war ii, 1937-1945
where you can buy the book
⤿ bottom line. a special thank you (and i love you) to r.f. kuang’s official representative and rin’s biggest apologist: bff rina! she’s honestly the best person ever and i’m so so thankful that she gives me recs that i always end up loving. the poppy war is one of the best books i’ve ever read. it’s a raw, in depth, and real analyzation of history; everyone should read this at some point in their lifetime <3
⤿ spoilers are marked ┆ links + trigger warnings listed at end
꒰ ◌🪡 “i have become something wonderful, she thought. i have become something terrible. was she now a goddess or a monster? perhaps neither. perhaps both.”
at its core, the poppy war is not a simple historical fantasy- it’s an examination of china’s twentieth century, and is at its most interesting when you’re reading through an analytical lens. the question this trilogy tries to answer is: how could someone with simple, backwater roots, turn into a powerful and twisted dictator? what makes a monster? i feel like this is something only r.f. kuang could write, weaving in narratives of militaristic themes and treachery. she leaves a devastating effect on the reader, asking us to wonder about the change of someone going from fighting for the greater good into the oppressor itself.
i. the plot. the poppy war chronicles rin’s story, who aces the keju, which is a national test that's purpose is to find the most talented individuals in the empire. even though many cannot even fathom the idea that a peasant could do so well, she blocks everyone’s negativity out and attends sinegard, an elite military school only for the fittest. while she fights inner battles involving poverty and gender, rin realizes that the nikara empire and the federation of mugen might just be on the brink of a third poppy war. we follow her as she realizes that perhaps she is becoming the monster that she’s feared from the very beginning, slowly loosening her grip on her humanity.
ii. analysis. so incredibly engaging, and the parallels that were crafted in the plot is to thank for that. mao zedong, leader of china from its establishment 1949-1966, is supposed to represent rin, as he has built up a reputation that is both revered and feared, culminating into one of history’s greatest debates. when i was doing research on him as a person, i came across an article that talked about the divide when it comes to zedong as a leader: was he a great savior, or a harbinger of impending doom? although i haven’t done nearly enough research to formulate an opinion on him, it’s clear how he relates to our fmc- their shared innate craving of power and what means they will use to get what they want. i’m sure that kuang used this in some way when writing the other books in the trilogy: she always relies on fantasy and speculative fiction as a powerful tool to create empathy, and of course make us visualize ourselves in the minds of characters with questionable morals yet profound beliefs. at least in my experience!
꒰ ◌🪡 “war doesn't determine who's right. war determines who remains.”
spoilers from here on, until the trigger warnings <3
⤿ fang runin. i’ve read so many points about how she, as a character, was so distant and disconnected, but something that is extremely important to understand is that rin is intentionally written as a “perpetrator of genocide.” kuang stated in an interview that she loved writing the poppy war so much because of her thesis: what if the villain deeply cared about the people they loved? what if they were passionate, had something to strive for, and would save a friend if it meant sacrificing their own life? rin is a character study of how madness confuses. put simply, she is an anti-hero. rin’s corrupt and reckless, has a craving for gratification, and validates herself based on praise. her change from thinking of herself as a measly, coward girl to everything is addicting to read about! inevitably, i feel like the euphoria rin achieves from power will be the end of her, but i’m desperately holding out hope for her to have some miraculous redemption arc.
⤿ chen kitay. my love. he cares about rin in such a beautiful way, i just adore him and their platonic relationship was refreshing to read! kitay learns how to be stable and have more security in himself, not give all of his attention to one singular individual, and access the admirable ability to retain his bravery even with the terrible, inhumane events that he has witnessed firsthand. what i loved most about kitay is how the author implied that even with an upbringing of privilege, he was the one who, in my opinion, was the strongest in the end.
there was this exchange between rin and kitay which was not only written brilliantly, but it highlighted their unique traits and characteristics in a way that i never could:
꒰ ◌ 𓏲࣪ “you don’t know what they did,” she said in a low whisper. “what they were planning. they were going to kill us all. they don’t care about human lives. they—”oh my god. i cried so much while reading this.
“they’re monsters! i know! i was at golyn niis! i lay amid the corpses for days! but you—” kitay swallowed, choking on his words. “you turned around and did the exact same thing. civilians. innocents. children, rin. you just buried an entire country and you don’t feel a thing.” “they were monsters!” she shrieked. “they were not human!” kitay opened his mouth. no sound came out. when he finally spoke again, it sounded as if he was close to tears. “have you ever considered,” he said slowly, “that that was exactly what they thought of us?”
[⊹ i’m about to leave you with a long list of trigger warnings, and a little note. please be prepared when reading this, because there’s content in here that can be quite disturbing. i just want to make sure everyone who tries reading this trilogy knows that this book is unfiltered, giving us crystal-clear visuals. please make sure you feel comfortable when touching on this material]
⌗ 🏷️┆ trigger/content warnings: rape, animal abuse and death, human torture and experimentation, self-harm, racism, misogyny, substance addiction, drugs, murder, abandonment, and war. please keep in mind that this may not be all of them!
links:
ches’ review (she’s just so talented and one of my favorite writers and reviewers, also the sweetest ever)
ju’s review WILL BE LINKED because it is the cutest and everyone needs to read it <3
the rape of nanking
forgotten ally: china’s world war ii, 1937-1945
where you can buy the book
⤿ bottom line. a special thank you (and i love you) to r.f. kuang’s official representative and rin’s biggest apologist: bff rina! she’s honestly the best person ever and i’m so so thankful that she gives me recs that i always end up loving. the poppy war is one of the best books i’ve ever read. it’s a raw, in depth, and real analyzation of history; everyone should read this at some point in their lifetime <3
January 6, 2021
The Poppy War (The Poppy War, #1) by R.F. Kuang
Gods, magic, and war. A military fantasy where the atmosphere inspired by Song Dynasty and the conflict in the book based on The Second Sino-Japanese War, you can be sure that this book won't be an easy one. Brutal story. Incredible world-building. Excellent writing. This is a story that asks us to examine how we weigh the life of ‘the other’, how we justify atrocities, and what it means to be human. Definitely wouldn’t recommend for a younger reader.
Great dark story.
Gods, magic, and war. A military fantasy where the atmosphere inspired by Song Dynasty and the conflict in the book based on The Second Sino-Japanese War, you can be sure that this book won't be an easy one. Brutal story. Incredible world-building. Excellent writing. This is a story that asks us to examine how we weigh the life of ‘the other’, how we justify atrocities, and what it means to be human. Definitely wouldn’t recommend for a younger reader.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who remains.
Great dark story.
April 28, 2022
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Whew. I buddy-read this with my friends Maraya and Sage and I'm honestly glad it was a team effort, because I'm not sure I would have gotten through the book on my own. The last time I tried to read this, I ended up quitting at 14% because I was so bored. THE POPPY WAR is a pretty widely-read book that a lot of people have read and have opinions about and I guess I'm just one of the masses in that regard, because I have a lot of things to say about this book and it's going to be really difficult because a lot of those thoughts are conflicting.
***WARNING: some spoilers to follow***
First, I'd like to say that I've noticed that some members of this fandom likes to attack people who didn't like this book. I muted "TPW" and "The Poppy War" as keywords on Twitter because I kept seeing people making fun of the one-star reviewers and saying that anybody who didn't like this book was too stupid to understand/enjoy it, and that is such toxic behavior to me. There are a lot of reasons why people won't like this book and honestly, some of them are valid. If you are sensitive to violent content of any kind, this is going to be an incredibly unpleasant read. Bad things happen in this book and the main character is very unlikable. Part I is very different in tone from Parts II and II. Parts II and II move much slower, and more unpleasantly, than Part I. I understand that sometimes people hold authors of color to different standards than white authors, and might say racist things in their reviews, but simply being put off by negative content or critiquing the writing or the pacing or the story in and of itself is hardly problematic and doesn't, in my opinion, warrant shaming and bullying. I read positive and negative reviews of this book, sans spoilers, and unlike 99% of other books, where I fall firmly on one side or the other, I can actually see where both sides are coming from and why this book is so polarizing. The things that make one side love it will make another side hate it. One person's idea of daring is another person's idea of triggering.
Second, I'm writing this review as someone who is somewhat familiar with both Sino-Japanese Wars, the Nanjing/Nanking massacre, and The Opium Wars (of which, I believe, the Poppy War is a play). I've read Iris Chang's book on the subject, which scarred me for life (although it ended up preparing me for chapter 21 soooo... mixed blessings). However, even though this is heavily inspired by Chinese history, I wouldn't say that it's a direct allegory like ANIMAL FARM. It's more like GAME OF THRONES, in that it borrows in bits and pieces, and there are some direct parallels, but most of that borrowing is used to further the fantasy elements and give a "grimdark" feel to a book while also making people feel smarter for reading it for noticing the borrowed elements (no hate-- it worked for me). I say this because some people are saying that this book is history or historical and I would argue that while that may be a matter of some debate, I don't really think this book is history. It has demons and gods and magic in it. It isn't history. It just borrows from it and takes artistic license with it.
THE POPPY WAR stars Rin, an antiheroine who is willing to sacrifice literally anything to be the best and win the war against the stand-in for the Japanese in this world, the Mugen. When she starts the book, I think she's a young teen because she hasn't had her period yet (so maybe 13?). To avoid getting married, she crams for the national exam, the Keju, spending two years working her butt off to pass. She ends up scoring the highest in the province and goes to Sinegard, an elite military school. This portion was honestly my favorite, as it reminded me of other "dark school" type stories, like VITA NOSTRA or SCHOLOMANCE (the R. Lee Smith one), which also feature morally gray heroines with sociopathic tendencies who are slowly corrupted by power. I think this is also why so many people categorize this book as YA. It does have a dark YA vibe to it, the way some of Victoria Schwab's allegedly adult books do, and it can be hard to pinpoint who the audience for this book actually is. I liked Rin's unusual education and how she came into conflict with her peers and masters as the underdog, and probably would have given this portion of the book four or five stars.
Parts II and III have a major tonal shift as Nikara, Rin's country, engages in war with the Mugense for real. Rin finally has to put everything she's learned into action while also trying to control the magic she's only just realized she's had (she, like a very rare few, has the power to call gods down from their sacred realm and let them temporarily possess her). In part I, her mentor was the delightfully eccentric Jiang. Here, she's attached to Altan, and unpredictable student of immense power who was the only survivor of a genocidal attack by the Mugense. Altan is a drug addict and abusive, and thinks nothing of yelling, throwing things, or hitting people, including Rin. Rin is in love with him and idolizes him in a way that feels uncomfortable, despite the abuse. Especially since so many reviewers laud Rin as a strong heroine when she seems comfortable acting as a pawn at the hands of others and apologizing for the people who use her ill. Again, I think that this will be a major trigger for some people.
The absolute worst part of this book, in terms of violent content, is the infamous chapter 21. This chapter feels like a Wikipedia dump of the Nanjing massacre, so if you aren't sure if you will be able to handle the content, read the Wikipedia article on the massacre. If it is too much for you, do not read this book or skip chapter 21. It is brutal, but not as upsetting as I was expecting since, again, I've read Iris Chang's book on the actual events that inspired this book (which had photographs). This is a reason I think that this book shouldn't be categorized as YA. Most U.S. schools don't teach the Nanjing massacre, and so students reading this likely won't have the context that puts this chapter into perspective. It's incredibly violent and horrific, and while I won't begrudge anyone who felt legitimately triggered by this chapter, I think having that historical context does put this book into perspective. That said, there are other moments of violence that don't really have anything to do with the war, such as Rin giving herself a chemical hysterectomy (in a scene that was uncomfortably similar to Yennefer's similar decision in The Witcher, but way less graphic) or graphic dueling scenes in the school or Rin getting grabbed or hit by the boy she loves. This book is very violent, period.
That said, I'm not really sure what this book intended to do with that historical parallel to Nanjing. In ANIMAL FARM, for example, the purpose was to show the slow slide into a dictatorship with the gradual relinquishing of one's personal freedoms, and how sometimes liberation can lead to an even greater prison. Here, the parallels seem more like GAME OF THRONES, in that they kind of feel like they're just there to shock. There is no real context for the war unless you are familiar with Chinese history, and it isn't really clear why the Mugenese hate the Nikara unless you interpret them literally as Japan in that specific time frame of history. There is no slow backslide into corruption on behalf of the Mugenese because, through Rin's eyes and those of their other victims, they were never human to begin with. So many of the descriptions of the Mugense describe them as inhuman or not human, and the only really humanizing moment is Rin's shock that they look so superficially similar to the Nikara. There's really nowhere for them to go because they are the de facto evil villains in this book.
Ironically, the slow corruption happens in Rin, who ends up becoming a perpetrator of genocide herself, which is ironic, since in an earlier portion of the book, she says, "War doesn't determine who is right, only who remains." She survives but at the cost of her soul, I would say, since by the end of the book she is a despicable person who doesn't see reason and makes decisions solely on rage (like Altan). She is literally unable to see how her own actions put her on the same level as the Mugense and their annihilation of Speer, which is interesting from a moral perspective, but kind of frustrating from a reader perspective. Especially since we watched her give her all to understand everything in Part I, only to throw everything away that she learned in Parts II and III. It almost felt like she was a different person from the first part, and part of that is because she grew up and was subjected to horrible trauma, but it was frustrating to see someone who I admired for tenacity (despite loathing her for her selfishness) become such a stupid person who made such stupid decisions. Why, Rin?? Why?
I didn't hate this book, despite thinking I might, but I didn't love it either. I can see why people do, because it is different, and it does take a lot of risks, and in some ways, it is very similar to some of the manga storylines I loved as a child. The scene with the chimei, for example (one of my favorite parts) was like something right out of Inuyasha: a pseudo-historical epic filled with violent magic and dark content, with characters you rooted for even though they were incredibly annoying. I think Inuyasha even had a face-stealing monster in one of the earlier books. So it was cool to read a book that had some interesting Chinese mythology thrown into a world filled with geopolitical intrigue. I just wish the second and third parts of the book had meshed better with the first, and that Rin didn't flip-flop (to borrow my friend's term) quite so much in terms of her character. She was all over the place, and I expected a brutal queen and not an idiot with a magical firearm she didn't know how to use but was all too willing to fire. Even if it is a revenge fantasy that does appeal to the dark satisfaction all of us would have at triumphing over our enemies at tenfold delivery, I don't really like the message in that.
Anyway, hopefully all that makes sense. I'm probably forgetting half the things I was going to talk about but I think I hit on all of the important key points, and I'm wicked proud of myself for figuring out the major "twist" in this book before I even got to the 15% mark. Props to the author, by the way, for taking the chosen one stereotype and at least subverting the trope a little bit by making the character work for it. That, and the brilliance of part I, is why this is getting 3 stars and not a 1 or a 2.
3 stars
November 23, 2019
”Children ceased to be children when you put a sword in their hands. When you taught them to fight a war, then you armed them and put them on the front lines, they were not children anymore. They were soldiers.”
This book. I mean… THIS BOOK! *sighs deeply and shakes head*
There is so much to be said about “The Poppy War” and I’m afraid I won’t even be able to put at least half of my thoughts into decent sentences. Because after finishing this book about a month ago (A MONTH AGO!!!) I still have troubles to sort out all of my feelings and thoughts.
“The Poppy War” is a great book but it tackles a lot of serious topics and I guess that’s the reason why my heart always feels kind of heavy when I think about it. Of course there is a war raging in this book but there happen so many other things that it’s almost impossible not to flinch when you reach those final 40%. Think about every atrocity that’s ever happened and you get a good idea about what you’re going to read in this book. There’s genocide, rape, torture, self-harm… and that’s just me naming a few of the triggers that might come your way.
”War doesn’t determine who’s right. War determines who remains.”
Let me tell you this: The longer you continue the worse it gets and even though this was masterfully done and I loved the world building and all the characters, there is still this strange undercurrent of heavy sadness and dread. Golyn Niis was so tough to read, I still get goose bumps when I think about it. This chapter was so, so, so, so damn hard to get through and I can’t remember the last time I read a book and felt that way. Maybe I never felt that way reading a book before. At least I can’t remember a single book that actually made me feel like this. I swear my stomach turned and I had troubles to breathe. I was feeling nauseous reading a book! Yes, it was that heavy! Everyone who already read the book will know what I’m talking about and to those who didn’t: It’s really as bad as everyone claims it to be! I got plenty of warnings but nothing prepared me for Golyn Niis!
”Amateurs obsess over strategy, Irjah had once told their class. Professionals obsess over logistics.”
Still, despite this heavy feeling of uneasiness that always overcomes me when I think about “The Poppy War” this book was definitely worth reading! I loved the fantasy elements and the idea of powers from the gods! Plus I really enjoyed the chapters at Sinegard Academy and the chimei! What I loved the most was the representation of human nature though. I might be alone with this but it’s obvious that R.F. Kuang put a lot of effort into her characters and you could see it in the way they grow, develop and change. Their character arcs were so amazing to follow, I’m in awe! And before I continue to gush about them here, I might as well move to my character section instead. ;-P
The characters:
This is my spoilery spoiler section and if you didn’t read the book already you better turn around and leave. If you’re still curious and don’t want to heed my warning you may proceed at your own risk! I mean I warned you, right? ;-P
Rin:
”No – they couldn’t just do this to her. They might think they could sweep her away like rubbish, but she didn’t have to lie down and take it. She had come from nothing. She wasn’t going back to nothing.”
Oh gods! Rin! I can’t believe what she did in the end and I can’t wrap my head around the fact that such a sweet and innocent girl could change that much! But it still happened and her descent was so heavy to watch. >_< I guess that’s what happens when you play with fire, quite literally in her case. She got addicted to the power and I’m so damn afraid of what she’s going to do next! I loved her defiance and strength at the beginning of the book, how she wanted to learn and did everything possible to achieve her goal. She was so determined and strong-willed! But then the war began and all those things happened and with every chapter Rin changed! She became something different, she hardened her heart, she lost her moral compass and made decisions that got her deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole! And then she did the unthinkable and I’m not sure if she’ll ever be able to return from that darkness again. T_T The ending broke my heart, for Rin, for the person she could have been for everything she HAD been before she came to Sinegard. She’s not the person she used to be and I find myself weeping for everything she lost and for what she became. =(((
”She didn’t want to be possessed. She wanted to remain free.”
”Then I will die on my feet,” she said. “I will die with flames in my hand and fury in my heart.”
”My god didn’t make me do anything,” she said. “The gods can’t make our choices for us. They can only offer their power, and we can wield it. And I did, and this is what I chose.” She swallowed. “I don’t regret it.”
”She was sane, she was convinced of it. She was whole. She had lost much, yes, but she still had her own mind. She made her decisions. She chose to accept the Phoenix. She chose to let it invade her mind.”
Altan:
”We’re the final front,” said Altan. “If we fail, this country’s lost.” He clapped her on the shoulder. “Excited?”
Altan broke my heart. At first I had the same impression like everyone else: That he knows what he’s doing, that he’s in control and a perfect student/soldier but the more we got to see from him, the more it became obvious that he’s far from all those things! This boy was broken beyond repair and he hid it so well that no one ever noticed until it was too late! I can’t say that I liked his actions but I could understand why he acted the way he did! He was lashing out at everyone because he was like a wild animal that only saw threats and didn’t know how to react to kindness. Altan was unable to see that not everyone who confronted him wanted to do him harm. Which makes me sad on so many levels. =( That poor, poor boy! To be tortured like this, to get out of it alive, to live with his past and the knowledge that it might happen again. Just to live with everything he went through! To draw breath every day and to continue, to keep on moving! I can’t even begin to comprehend how he must have felt and I can’t put into words how strongly I feel for him. T_T And I don’t want to believe that he’s dead! He can’t be dead! >_<
”I don’t know,” he said after a long moment. “I don’t know what I’m doing.”
”Altan’s fire drew as its source an unending hate. It was a deep, slow burn. She could almost taste it, the venomous intent, the ancient misery, and it horrified her.
How could one person hate so much?
What had happened to him?
Kitay:
”One urinating statue for my easily entertained friend.”
Rin blushed. “Kitay, I can’t.”
“It costs nothing.”
“It costs a lot to me,” she said.
Kitay placed the statue in her hand. “If you say one more thing about money, I’m leaving you to get lost.”
I absolutely adored Kitay! He’s such a good friend and I loved that Rin and he became besties. =) Despite being fortunate enough to be one of the rich kids at Sinegard Academy he still reached out to her and became her friend. I think that’s what I loved about him the most, he didn’t care about titles or money, he just cared about the person and what it could do! Kitay is the living and breathing proof that good people exist and in the end his character was the only one that gave me any hope. Because despite all the things he witnessed and regardless of everything that happened to him, he still had moral values and acted according to them. In a world so harsh and cruel that it changed everyone around him, he still held on to his convictions and I loved him for it! <333
”There was a hard glint to his eyes that she had never seen in him before. He looked as if he had aged five years. He looked like his father. He was like a sword that had been sharpened, metal that had been tempered.”
Jiang:
”I am a mortal who has woken up, and there is power in awareness.”
I really don’t know how to feel about Jiang! I actually liked him at the beginning of the book but I was so disappointed by him when it ended. His character was some sort of catalyst and I had the distinct feeling that he could have done more, that he SHOUD HAVE done more! What if he would have taught Rin about her powers? What if he would have allowed her to use them in a safe setting? What if he would have fought alongside them and would have helped her to control the phoenix? He basically left Altan and Rin to their own devices and this set them on the dark path they were descending at the end. How different everything could have gone if Jiang would have watched out for them! =( To drop Altan as his student was the first mistake he made and not to teach Rin properly apparently his last.
”Ah. The law.” Jiang sniffed at an unidentified leaf and then tossed it away. “So inconvenient. So irrelevant.”
The relationships & ships:
Rin & Altan:
”She knew what addiction looked like. Opium smokers were yellowed, useless sacks of flesh. They did not fight like Altan did. They did not move like Altan did. They were not perfect, lethal animals of graceful beauty.”
Okay, I’m going to say it: I DIDN’T SHIP RIN AND ALTAN! I’m sorry but I just couldn’t! They didn’t have much of a relationship before Rin joined the Cike and once she was a part of them her relationship with Altan was nothing but abusive. He slapped her, hurt her with words, forced her to do things she didn’t want to do and was everything else but supportive. How was I supposed to ship that? I get that Altan was thoroughly broken but he didn’t have to let it out on Rin and as frustrated as he might have been with her, he still had no right to hurt her. So nope, it was clear right from the beginning that he didn’t respect her as much as she respected him and if you ask me those two never had a future. (Not saying that I wouldn’t love for Altan to come back again. I still wouldn’t ship him with Rin though) I’ll never ship those two and I stand by it. Fight me! *lol* ;-P
”Hey. Hey.”
Cool fingers wrapped around her wrists. Gently, Altan pulled her hands away from her face. She looked up and met his eyes. They were a shade of crimson brighter than poppy petals.
“It’s okay,” he said. “I know. I know what it’s like. I’m going to help you.”
”She had adored an idea of him, an archetype, a version of him that was invulnerable. But now she knew the truth, she knew the realness of Altan and his vulnerabilities and most of all his pain… and still she loved him.”
He leaned forward and grasped her face in both hands. She thought for a bizarre moment that he was going to kiss her. He didn’t. He pressed his forehead against hers for a long time. She closed her eyes. She drank in the sensation of her skin against his. She seared it into her memory.”
Rin & Nezha:
”We aren’t here to be sophisticated. We’re here to fuck people up.”
Now that’s a relationship I could appreciate! Yes, Nezha was an ass at the beginning of the book but in contrast to Altan he actually realized his faults and apologized to Rin. I loved how they both grew out of their initial animosity and became friends in the end. And those fighting scenes!! They were pure harmony on the battlefield and anyone who claims differently didn’t read the book! XD Just like Kitay seemed to have become a moral compass for Rin the same could be said for Nezha and I’m sure if he’d been around at the end she wouldn’t have gone down that dark road. >_< Unfortunately Nezha was lost in the toxic mist and seems to be dead. I refuse to believe that he’s gone for good though. I mean he had some serious healing abilities so maybe he survived it and became a prisoner? But then again he most likely would have been with the Mugenese when Rin launched her attack and I don’t know if he would have been able to survive this as well. >_< I really hope Nezha will magically reappear in the second book! =)
”But I saved your life. Doesn’t that make us at least a little square?”
Square? Square? She had to laugh. “You almost got me expelled!”
“And you almost killed me,” he said. That shut her up.
“I was scared of you,” Nezha continued. “And I lashed out. I was stupid. I was a spoiled brat. I was a real pain in the ass. I thought I was better than you, and I’m not. I’m sorry.”
Altan & Chaghan:
”They had come to an understanding, she and Chaghan. They were no longer opposed, vying for Altan’s favor. They were allies, now, bound by the mutual atrocities they had commited.”
I’m going to be honest here: I’m such a sucker for Chaghan!!! I love his character!!!! And is it just me or did I actually feel some gay vibes between those two?! Altan and Chaghan definitely had more chemistry than Rin and Altan ever had! *lol* And they didn’t even have all too many scenes together! I got the distinct feeling that something happened when they spent those three days in the valleys and I’m not talking about Altan winning a fight between them, feel me? *wriggles eyebrows* Haha! ;-P Gosh, I really would have loved to find out more about their relationship and this is just one more reason why Altan can’t be dead! I just ship him and Chaghan too much to accept his death! Period! XD
Conclusion:
“The Poppy War” was an amazing and sometimes truly revolting dark tale about a young girl that follows her own path and fights for what she thinks is right. It shows us how people can grow and how their circumstances and perceptions can change them. For better or for worse… This tale isn’t over yet. In fact it just began and I can’t wait to read what’s going to happen next. Let’s continue to hope for the best while we expect the worst, because apparently that’s the only attitude that will get you through this series. ;-)
”And she would call the gods to do such terrible things.”
This book. I mean… THIS BOOK! *sighs deeply and shakes head*
There is so much to be said about “The Poppy War” and I’m afraid I won’t even be able to put at least half of my thoughts into decent sentences. Because after finishing this book about a month ago (A MONTH AGO!!!) I still have troubles to sort out all of my feelings and thoughts.
“The Poppy War” is a great book but it tackles a lot of serious topics and I guess that’s the reason why my heart always feels kind of heavy when I think about it. Of course there is a war raging in this book but there happen so many other things that it’s almost impossible not to flinch when you reach those final 40%. Think about every atrocity that’s ever happened and you get a good idea about what you’re going to read in this book. There’s genocide, rape, torture, self-harm… and that’s just me naming a few of the triggers that might come your way.
”War doesn’t determine who’s right. War determines who remains.”
Let me tell you this: The longer you continue the worse it gets and even though this was masterfully done and I loved the world building and all the characters, there is still this strange undercurrent of heavy sadness and dread. Golyn Niis was so tough to read, I still get goose bumps when I think about it. This chapter was so, so, so, so damn hard to get through and I can’t remember the last time I read a book and felt that way. Maybe I never felt that way reading a book before. At least I can’t remember a single book that actually made me feel like this. I swear my stomach turned and I had troubles to breathe. I was feeling nauseous reading a book! Yes, it was that heavy! Everyone who already read the book will know what I’m talking about and to those who didn’t: It’s really as bad as everyone claims it to be! I got plenty of warnings but nothing prepared me for Golyn Niis!
”Amateurs obsess over strategy, Irjah had once told their class. Professionals obsess over logistics.”
Still, despite this heavy feeling of uneasiness that always overcomes me when I think about “The Poppy War” this book was definitely worth reading! I loved the fantasy elements and the idea of powers from the gods! Plus I really enjoyed the chapters at Sinegard Academy and the chimei! What I loved the most was the representation of human nature though. I might be alone with this but it’s obvious that R.F. Kuang put a lot of effort into her characters and you could see it in the way they grow, develop and change. Their character arcs were so amazing to follow, I’m in awe! And before I continue to gush about them here, I might as well move to my character section instead. ;-P
The characters:
This is my spoilery spoiler section and if you didn’t read the book already you better turn around and leave. If you’re still curious and don’t want to heed my warning you may proceed at your own risk! I mean I warned you, right? ;-P
Rin:
”No – they couldn’t just do this to her. They might think they could sweep her away like rubbish, but she didn’t have to lie down and take it. She had come from nothing. She wasn’t going back to nothing.”
Oh gods! Rin! I can’t believe what she did in the end and I can’t wrap my head around the fact that such a sweet and innocent girl could change that much! But it still happened and her descent was so heavy to watch. >_< I guess that’s what happens when you play with fire, quite literally in her case. She got addicted to the power and I’m so damn afraid of what she’s going to do next! I loved her defiance and strength at the beginning of the book, how she wanted to learn and did everything possible to achieve her goal. She was so determined and strong-willed! But then the war began and all those things happened and with every chapter Rin changed! She became something different, she hardened her heart, she lost her moral compass and made decisions that got her deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole! And then she did the unthinkable and I’m not sure if she’ll ever be able to return from that darkness again. T_T The ending broke my heart, for Rin, for the person she could have been for everything she HAD been before she came to Sinegard. She’s not the person she used to be and I find myself weeping for everything she lost and for what she became. =(((
”She didn’t want to be possessed. She wanted to remain free.”
”Then I will die on my feet,” she said. “I will die with flames in my hand and fury in my heart.”
”My god didn’t make me do anything,” she said. “The gods can’t make our choices for us. They can only offer their power, and we can wield it. And I did, and this is what I chose.” She swallowed. “I don’t regret it.”
”She was sane, she was convinced of it. She was whole. She had lost much, yes, but she still had her own mind. She made her decisions. She chose to accept the Phoenix. She chose to let it invade her mind.”
Altan:
”We’re the final front,” said Altan. “If we fail, this country’s lost.” He clapped her on the shoulder. “Excited?”
Altan broke my heart. At first I had the same impression like everyone else: That he knows what he’s doing, that he’s in control and a perfect student/soldier but the more we got to see from him, the more it became obvious that he’s far from all those things! This boy was broken beyond repair and he hid it so well that no one ever noticed until it was too late! I can’t say that I liked his actions but I could understand why he acted the way he did! He was lashing out at everyone because he was like a wild animal that only saw threats and didn’t know how to react to kindness. Altan was unable to see that not everyone who confronted him wanted to do him harm. Which makes me sad on so many levels. =( That poor, poor boy! To be tortured like this, to get out of it alive, to live with his past and the knowledge that it might happen again. Just to live with everything he went through! To draw breath every day and to continue, to keep on moving! I can’t even begin to comprehend how he must have felt and I can’t put into words how strongly I feel for him. T_T And I don’t want to believe that he’s dead! He can’t be dead! >_<
”I don’t know,” he said after a long moment. “I don’t know what I’m doing.”
”Altan’s fire drew as its source an unending hate. It was a deep, slow burn. She could almost taste it, the venomous intent, the ancient misery, and it horrified her.
How could one person hate so much?
What had happened to him?
Kitay:
”One urinating statue for my easily entertained friend.”
Rin blushed. “Kitay, I can’t.”
“It costs nothing.”
“It costs a lot to me,” she said.
Kitay placed the statue in her hand. “If you say one more thing about money, I’m leaving you to get lost.”
I absolutely adored Kitay! He’s such a good friend and I loved that Rin and he became besties. =) Despite being fortunate enough to be one of the rich kids at Sinegard Academy he still reached out to her and became her friend. I think that’s what I loved about him the most, he didn’t care about titles or money, he just cared about the person and what it could do! Kitay is the living and breathing proof that good people exist and in the end his character was the only one that gave me any hope. Because despite all the things he witnessed and regardless of everything that happened to him, he still had moral values and acted according to them. In a world so harsh and cruel that it changed everyone around him, he still held on to his convictions and I loved him for it! <333
”There was a hard glint to his eyes that she had never seen in him before. He looked as if he had aged five years. He looked like his father. He was like a sword that had been sharpened, metal that had been tempered.”
Jiang:
”I am a mortal who has woken up, and there is power in awareness.”
I really don’t know how to feel about Jiang! I actually liked him at the beginning of the book but I was so disappointed by him when it ended. His character was some sort of catalyst and I had the distinct feeling that he could have done more, that he SHOUD HAVE done more! What if he would have taught Rin about her powers? What if he would have allowed her to use them in a safe setting? What if he would have fought alongside them and would have helped her to control the phoenix? He basically left Altan and Rin to their own devices and this set them on the dark path they were descending at the end. How different everything could have gone if Jiang would have watched out for them! =( To drop Altan as his student was the first mistake he made and not to teach Rin properly apparently his last.
”Ah. The law.” Jiang sniffed at an unidentified leaf and then tossed it away. “So inconvenient. So irrelevant.”
The relationships & ships:
Rin & Altan:
”She knew what addiction looked like. Opium smokers were yellowed, useless sacks of flesh. They did not fight like Altan did. They did not move like Altan did. They were not perfect, lethal animals of graceful beauty.”
Okay, I’m going to say it: I DIDN’T SHIP RIN AND ALTAN! I’m sorry but I just couldn’t! They didn’t have much of a relationship before Rin joined the Cike and once she was a part of them her relationship with Altan was nothing but abusive. He slapped her, hurt her with words, forced her to do things she didn’t want to do and was everything else but supportive. How was I supposed to ship that? I get that Altan was thoroughly broken but he didn’t have to let it out on Rin and as frustrated as he might have been with her, he still had no right to hurt her. So nope, it was clear right from the beginning that he didn’t respect her as much as she respected him and if you ask me those two never had a future. (Not saying that I wouldn’t love for Altan to come back again. I still wouldn’t ship him with Rin though) I’ll never ship those two and I stand by it. Fight me! *lol* ;-P
”Hey. Hey.”
Cool fingers wrapped around her wrists. Gently, Altan pulled her hands away from her face. She looked up and met his eyes. They were a shade of crimson brighter than poppy petals.
“It’s okay,” he said. “I know. I know what it’s like. I’m going to help you.”
”She had adored an idea of him, an archetype, a version of him that was invulnerable. But now she knew the truth, she knew the realness of Altan and his vulnerabilities and most of all his pain… and still she loved him.”
He leaned forward and grasped her face in both hands. She thought for a bizarre moment that he was going to kiss her. He didn’t. He pressed his forehead against hers for a long time. She closed her eyes. She drank in the sensation of her skin against his. She seared it into her memory.”
Rin & Nezha:
”We aren’t here to be sophisticated. We’re here to fuck people up.”
Now that’s a relationship I could appreciate! Yes, Nezha was an ass at the beginning of the book but in contrast to Altan he actually realized his faults and apologized to Rin. I loved how they both grew out of their initial animosity and became friends in the end. And those fighting scenes!! They were pure harmony on the battlefield and anyone who claims differently didn’t read the book! XD Just like Kitay seemed to have become a moral compass for Rin the same could be said for Nezha and I’m sure if he’d been around at the end she wouldn’t have gone down that dark road. >_< Unfortunately Nezha was lost in the toxic mist and seems to be dead. I refuse to believe that he’s gone for good though. I mean he had some serious healing abilities so maybe he survived it and became a prisoner? But then again he most likely would have been with the Mugenese when Rin launched her attack and I don’t know if he would have been able to survive this as well. >_< I really hope Nezha will magically reappear in the second book! =)
”But I saved your life. Doesn’t that make us at least a little square?”
Square? Square? She had to laugh. “You almost got me expelled!”
“And you almost killed me,” he said. That shut her up.
“I was scared of you,” Nezha continued. “And I lashed out. I was stupid. I was a spoiled brat. I was a real pain in the ass. I thought I was better than you, and I’m not. I’m sorry.”
Altan & Chaghan:
”They had come to an understanding, she and Chaghan. They were no longer opposed, vying for Altan’s favor. They were allies, now, bound by the mutual atrocities they had commited.”
I’m going to be honest here: I’m such a sucker for Chaghan!!! I love his character!!!! And is it just me or did I actually feel some gay vibes between those two?! Altan and Chaghan definitely had more chemistry than Rin and Altan ever had! *lol* And they didn’t even have all too many scenes together! I got the distinct feeling that something happened when they spent those three days in the valleys and I’m not talking about Altan winning a fight between them, feel me? *wriggles eyebrows* Haha! ;-P Gosh, I really would have loved to find out more about their relationship and this is just one more reason why Altan can’t be dead! I just ship him and Chaghan too much to accept his death! Period! XD
Conclusion:
“The Poppy War” was an amazing and sometimes truly revolting dark tale about a young girl that follows her own path and fights for what she thinks is right. It shows us how people can grow and how their circumstances and perceptions can change them. For better or for worse… This tale isn’t over yet. In fact it just began and I can’t wait to read what’s going to happen next. Let’s continue to hope for the best while we expect the worst, because apparently that’s the only attitude that will get you through this series. ;-)
”And she would call the gods to do such terrible things.”
November 16, 2021
Yeah, I hated this book. I thought about writing something short, witty, and scathing, but fuck it. I'm going full essay, the amount of self-righteousness I feel is too much to contain.
But first, I see a lot of people seem to think that the greatest sin this book commits is that it's too dark. Well, the book, in the only real praise I have for it, actually does show in some measure how awful the Second Sino-Japanese war was. If you think what this book talks about is "excessive", I implore you to learn that Unit 731 did, what the IJA did at Nanking. Seriously. It's good to know.
Now everything else about the book, though? Trash.
See, I'm an Asian-American. I have a great interest in Chinese history, which I studied for a while. But neither of these things really mattered when I first picked up this book. I thought this would be a pleasantly culturally sensitive standard edgy YA about an underdog protagonist whom everyone hates because of bigotry going to wizard school and standing up to save totally-not-China from Mongols or western imperialists or something. Boom. Done. Innocuous story-wise, but historically-aware and a bit of fun.
That's not what The Poppy War is. To her credit, Kuang refutes this directly:
"This is not a YA fantasy school story... This is, as I've always conceived it, a war story. It draws heavily on the Second Sino-Japanese war which–if you know anything about Asia–was one of the darkest and bloodiest moments in Chinese history. It grapples with the Rape of Nanjing. It deals heavily with opium and drug use."
Okay, great. Maybe should have put that in the blurb, but hey. Only, of course, it's not that either. See, it's totally cool to be inspired by history, weaving the zeitgeist of the past into fiction. Totally cool... only, inspiration is not what's happening here. Inspiration would be Brian McClellan's Powder Mage being inspired by the French revolution. It would be Naomi Novik's Temeraire being inspired by the Napoleonic wars. It would be Tolkien or Orwell being inspired by their contemporary experience and putting the themes in to their works. No, what's happening here is different.
How so? Well, does the Poppy War draw heavily on the second Sino-Japanese war? Well, yeah. It straight-up lifts a majority of the story beats from its second half verbatim from IJA war crimes. And when I say "lifts", I don't mean "draws heavily", I mean it renames all the countries to fantasy equivalents, and inserts a YA protagonist into these real historical events so that she can justify committing wholesale genocide on every single Japanese person. Well, alright, does it grapple with the Rape of Nanjing/Unit 731 wherein some of the most awful torture, rape, and genocide ever was perpetrated? Oh yeah, it describes the torture and rape it in great, agonizing detail... to give our protagonist character development toward becoming more brooding and angry, of course. Er, well then, does it deal heavily with opium and heroin, drugs which harmed the lives of countless Chinese civilians over decades and were often forced upon them by imperialist powers? Ah, yes of course... but only because opium in Nikara doesn't destroy your livelihood, it gives you magic powers.
Fucking why, though.
As I'm writing this, it occurs to me that maybe someone might not know why this is so bad. Oh, she did say it drew heavily, what's the issue? Think of it this way, then.
Imagine a story with an underdog wizard soldier girl straight out of half of any modern YA fantasy as she goes to magic wizard battle school from humble and underprivilidged beginnings. She dicks around there, training under an enigmatic master and beating up people who have years of training on her with unorthodox tactics only she can learn. Pretty standard stuff, right? Not perfect writing, but who cares? Ah, but now imagine that halfway through the book... WW2 breaks out and she's sent to the front lines as a conscript to the Red Army X-men, eventually finding herself in Auschwitz.
Uhhhh.
Oh yeah, and upon doing that, her character development is predicated on the story describing the suffering and murder of Poles, Slavs, the Jewish people in concentration camps... only, hold up, it's not Auschwitz because they've made up a name for it, it's Drakenhold or something. Oh it looks like Auschwitz, Arbeit Macht Frei and all that, and the things happening there are exactly what happened at Auschwitz, but it's been given a fictional coat of paint. And the Jewish people have too; they're not Jewish, they're... Kamorthanian or Veranian or some other made-up thing, and just bear a striking resemblance to the Jewish people. And actually, the story has gone and made up fantasy names for all the other participants of WW2 in Europe, only there are dragons, it's aesthetically based on medieval times for some reason, and, I don't know, the SS run around saying "Heil Shmidt!".
Isn't that just a tiny bit gauche? Well hold on, I'm not done.
Imagine now that all across this dissonant second act of the story, you read verbatim about Kursk, Stalingrad, D-Day. Not events inspired by these, these actual events, just under different names. You read about the mass graves on the eastern front, the Einstatsgruppen, the bombings of Dresden, where real people suffered and died. All this is described in great detail. But then it continues, and instead of focusing on... all that, it mainly talks about the wizard main character's lust for power, her and her team killing of truckloads of inhuman "Notzis" with their wild and uncontrollable dark magic, and of course her fiery spats with her smoking hot, rage-filled, brooding commanding officer. No, not on the scores of people who died in these very poorly veiled real historical events... it's all about her rebellious streak, yes. Oh right, and the ending is her erasing every German person from the face of the earth, without a single shred of remorse.
Now finally, imagine at some point the sidekick character goes, "This food is worse than the Rape of Belgium! Well... it's not that bad, but still, haha!"
Yeah, maybe a little yikes, no? Well, that's what Kuang does. The Poppy War is the above, for the Second-Sino Japanese war.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be inspired by history. Of course you should. Reality is stranger than fiction. Go crazy. Be inspired by evil, incredible, terrifying things. Maybe this is controversial, but I don't think you should ever obfuscate your work if what's happening is consistent with your theme. Portraying war without suffering is dishonest, portraying genocide but in sterilized terms is insulting. But, again, this isn't inspiration, this is acquisition. This is placing history in your fiction, not being inspired by it.
Like, am I wrong in thinking an edgy YA action-adventure novel's plot should not be literally made up of contemporary war crimes? I feel like maybe I'm insane here. Characters say things that we're supposed to image they themselves thought of, only the things they're saying are verbatim things real people have said. A student invents a cool solution to a tactical problem? No wait, it's a literal Three Kingdoms story. A commander quips about making war? Ah, no, that's a direct quotation from US Army General Omar Bradley.
Why? It's not about not being clever enough, just... don't directly copy history? Why is this so hard for this book? Tolkien didn't have Sauron quote the fucking Kaiser, Christ dude.
I could understand that, maybe, this was a bait-and-switch. Surprise, bitch! You're not reading standard edgy military fantasy at all, you're going to gain some awareness about Japanese war crimes and you're going to like it.
No, I think not. Because for a story that's taken so much from history, there's not actually much history there.
I mean, Kuang has an MA. She knows about opium and the opium wars. She knows the causes of the century of humiliation, about western imperialism and the concessions. She knows that Japan eventually rose to dominance because of the success of he Meiji restoration reforms, in contrast to the failed Self Strengthening movement of the Late Qing, a dynasty whose power had degraded across centuries of decay due to multiple complex factors. She knows the vast complex legacy of provincial armies, from Three Kingdoms to the Taiping Rebellion to the post-1911 warlord period.
But does any of this show up? No.
The Nikaran warlords are all caricatured morons, typical adults in a YA story. None of them are even remotely realistic. Mugen beat Nikara because they are strong and Nikara was shit and still are, YA battle school aside, not because of modernization or civil war or anything else. The humiliation of Nikara began with their Sino-Japanese war; no western imperialism stand-in, even. And opium? Well, it gives you wizard powers, so really who cares about all that boring history!
Now, do I expect all this pedantic dogshit to be in there? God, no. That wouldn't be very much of a readable fantasy-action novel at all. But what I'm getting at is, you can't do both. You can't say, "oh I'm not writing YA, I'm writing a story about a thinly veiled fictional expy of a real life war to explore and draw attention to it" but then ignore history and make it about an edgy teen wizard thumbing her nose at Song-dynasty Draco Malfoy. And it goes both ways; you can't go, "ah, I'll write a rags-to-riches YA story about a hotheaded underdog protagonist who goes to a magic school" and the run around putting imperial Japanese war crimes, which were done to real people who still feel the effects today, in it, and say, "oho, it was a war story all along, come on now".
You can write something in the middle. Of course you can. But this ain't it. The Poppy War isn't accurate enough to be an informative and emotionally poignant historical examination, but it's not sensitive enough to be a good fictional adventure with historical themes. Its entirely fictional aspects are tainted by the thoughtless use of real-life suffering as a mere plot point, to be thrown around at the author's whim. Merely regurgitating history verbatim, then viewing it through the eyes of an entirely fantastic character who uses real atrocities to further her own trite storyline rather than engaging with them as the people who were actually there did, is not good writing.
Wow, this was long as fuck. I should have gone for the short and biting critique.
Well, I'm sure the average reader doesn't give a shit about all of this, given the ratings on this book. All I'm saying is, if you're thinking about writing contemporary genocide into your girlboss YA fantasy... don't.
For reasons that should be, and should have been, obvious.
But first, I see a lot of people seem to think that the greatest sin this book commits is that it's too dark. Well, the book, in the only real praise I have for it, actually does show in some measure how awful the Second Sino-Japanese war was. If you think what this book talks about is "excessive", I implore you to learn that Unit 731 did, what the IJA did at Nanking. Seriously. It's good to know.
Now everything else about the book, though? Trash.
See, I'm an Asian-American. I have a great interest in Chinese history, which I studied for a while. But neither of these things really mattered when I first picked up this book. I thought this would be a pleasantly culturally sensitive standard edgy YA about an underdog protagonist whom everyone hates because of bigotry going to wizard school and standing up to save totally-not-China from Mongols or western imperialists or something. Boom. Done. Innocuous story-wise, but historically-aware and a bit of fun.
That's not what The Poppy War is. To her credit, Kuang refutes this directly:
"This is not a YA fantasy school story... This is, as I've always conceived it, a war story. It draws heavily on the Second Sino-Japanese war which–if you know anything about Asia–was one of the darkest and bloodiest moments in Chinese history. It grapples with the Rape of Nanjing. It deals heavily with opium and drug use."
Okay, great. Maybe should have put that in the blurb, but hey. Only, of course, it's not that either. See, it's totally cool to be inspired by history, weaving the zeitgeist of the past into fiction. Totally cool... only, inspiration is not what's happening here. Inspiration would be Brian McClellan's Powder Mage being inspired by the French revolution. It would be Naomi Novik's Temeraire being inspired by the Napoleonic wars. It would be Tolkien or Orwell being inspired by their contemporary experience and putting the themes in to their works. No, what's happening here is different.
How so? Well, does the Poppy War draw heavily on the second Sino-Japanese war? Well, yeah. It straight-up lifts a majority of the story beats from its second half verbatim from IJA war crimes. And when I say "lifts", I don't mean "draws heavily", I mean it renames all the countries to fantasy equivalents, and inserts a YA protagonist into these real historical events so that she can justify committing wholesale genocide on every single Japanese person. Well, alright, does it grapple with the Rape of Nanjing/Unit 731 wherein some of the most awful torture, rape, and genocide ever was perpetrated? Oh yeah, it describes the torture and rape it in great, agonizing detail... to give our protagonist character development toward becoming more brooding and angry, of course. Er, well then, does it deal heavily with opium and heroin, drugs which harmed the lives of countless Chinese civilians over decades and were often forced upon them by imperialist powers? Ah, yes of course... but only because opium in Nikara doesn't destroy your livelihood, it gives you magic powers.
Fucking why, though.
As I'm writing this, it occurs to me that maybe someone might not know why this is so bad. Oh, she did say it drew heavily, what's the issue? Think of it this way, then.
Imagine a story with an underdog wizard soldier girl straight out of half of any modern YA fantasy as she goes to magic wizard battle school from humble and underprivilidged beginnings. She dicks around there, training under an enigmatic master and beating up people who have years of training on her with unorthodox tactics only she can learn. Pretty standard stuff, right? Not perfect writing, but who cares? Ah, but now imagine that halfway through the book... WW2 breaks out and she's sent to the front lines as a conscript to the Red Army X-men, eventually finding herself in Auschwitz.
Uhhhh.
Oh yeah, and upon doing that, her character development is predicated on the story describing the suffering and murder of Poles, Slavs, the Jewish people in concentration camps... only, hold up, it's not Auschwitz because they've made up a name for it, it's Drakenhold or something. Oh it looks like Auschwitz, Arbeit Macht Frei and all that, and the things happening there are exactly what happened at Auschwitz, but it's been given a fictional coat of paint. And the Jewish people have too; they're not Jewish, they're... Kamorthanian or Veranian or some other made-up thing, and just bear a striking resemblance to the Jewish people. And actually, the story has gone and made up fantasy names for all the other participants of WW2 in Europe, only there are dragons, it's aesthetically based on medieval times for some reason, and, I don't know, the SS run around saying "Heil Shmidt!".
Isn't that just a tiny bit gauche? Well hold on, I'm not done.
Imagine now that all across this dissonant second act of the story, you read verbatim about Kursk, Stalingrad, D-Day. Not events inspired by these, these actual events, just under different names. You read about the mass graves on the eastern front, the Einstatsgruppen, the bombings of Dresden, where real people suffered and died. All this is described in great detail. But then it continues, and instead of focusing on... all that, it mainly talks about the wizard main character's lust for power, her and her team killing of truckloads of inhuman "Notzis" with their wild and uncontrollable dark magic, and of course her fiery spats with her smoking hot, rage-filled, brooding commanding officer. No, not on the scores of people who died in these very poorly veiled real historical events... it's all about her rebellious streak, yes. Oh right, and the ending is her erasing every German person from the face of the earth, without a single shred of remorse.
Now finally, imagine at some point the sidekick character goes, "This food is worse than the Rape of Belgium! Well... it's not that bad, but still, haha!"
Yeah, maybe a little yikes, no? Well, that's what Kuang does. The Poppy War is the above, for the Second-Sino Japanese war.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be inspired by history. Of course you should. Reality is stranger than fiction. Go crazy. Be inspired by evil, incredible, terrifying things. Maybe this is controversial, but I don't think you should ever obfuscate your work if what's happening is consistent with your theme. Portraying war without suffering is dishonest, portraying genocide but in sterilized terms is insulting. But, again, this isn't inspiration, this is acquisition. This is placing history in your fiction, not being inspired by it.
Like, am I wrong in thinking an edgy YA action-adventure novel's plot should not be literally made up of contemporary war crimes? I feel like maybe I'm insane here. Characters say things that we're supposed to image they themselves thought of, only the things they're saying are verbatim things real people have said. A student invents a cool solution to a tactical problem? No wait, it's a literal Three Kingdoms story. A commander quips about making war? Ah, no, that's a direct quotation from US Army General Omar Bradley.
Why? It's not about not being clever enough, just... don't directly copy history? Why is this so hard for this book? Tolkien didn't have Sauron quote the fucking Kaiser, Christ dude.
I could understand that, maybe, this was a bait-and-switch. Surprise, bitch! You're not reading standard edgy military fantasy at all, you're going to gain some awareness about Japanese war crimes and you're going to like it.
No, I think not. Because for a story that's taken so much from history, there's not actually much history there.
I mean, Kuang has an MA. She knows about opium and the opium wars. She knows the causes of the century of humiliation, about western imperialism and the concessions. She knows that Japan eventually rose to dominance because of the success of he Meiji restoration reforms, in contrast to the failed Self Strengthening movement of the Late Qing, a dynasty whose power had degraded across centuries of decay due to multiple complex factors. She knows the vast complex legacy of provincial armies, from Three Kingdoms to the Taiping Rebellion to the post-1911 warlord period.
But does any of this show up? No.
The Nikaran warlords are all caricatured morons, typical adults in a YA story. None of them are even remotely realistic. Mugen beat Nikara because they are strong and Nikara was shit and still are, YA battle school aside, not because of modernization or civil war or anything else. The humiliation of Nikara began with their Sino-Japanese war; no western imperialism stand-in, even. And opium? Well, it gives you wizard powers, so really who cares about all that boring history!
Now, do I expect all this pedantic dogshit to be in there? God, no. That wouldn't be very much of a readable fantasy-action novel at all. But what I'm getting at is, you can't do both. You can't say, "oh I'm not writing YA, I'm writing a story about a thinly veiled fictional expy of a real life war to explore and draw attention to it" but then ignore history and make it about an edgy teen wizard thumbing her nose at Song-dynasty Draco Malfoy. And it goes both ways; you can't go, "ah, I'll write a rags-to-riches YA story about a hotheaded underdog protagonist who goes to a magic school" and the run around putting imperial Japanese war crimes, which were done to real people who still feel the effects today, in it, and say, "oho, it was a war story all along, come on now".
You can write something in the middle. Of course you can. But this ain't it. The Poppy War isn't accurate enough to be an informative and emotionally poignant historical examination, but it's not sensitive enough to be a good fictional adventure with historical themes. Its entirely fictional aspects are tainted by the thoughtless use of real-life suffering as a mere plot point, to be thrown around at the author's whim. Merely regurgitating history verbatim, then viewing it through the eyes of an entirely fantastic character who uses real atrocities to further her own trite storyline rather than engaging with them as the people who were actually there did, is not good writing.
Wow, this was long as fuck. I should have gone for the short and biting critique.
Well, I'm sure the average reader doesn't give a shit about all of this, given the ratings on this book. All I'm saying is, if you're thinking about writing contemporary genocide into your girlboss YA fantasy... don't.
For reasons that should be, and should have been, obvious.
November 5, 2018
What. The Hell. Happened.
This book could have been a new favorite. It could have been a five star read. It could have been not torture to read. But alas.
Let's back up a bit. I went into this book with pretty high expectations given the raving reviews I'd heard and to begin with I was not disappointed.
Sure, the setup was a little (or a lot) cliché: Poor peasant girl with undeserved natural talent gets into prestigious military academy, beats out classmates with more knowledge, training and experience due to her just generally being *the shit*, discovers she has hidden powers and is bullied by students and teachers alike. Throw a single friend and an eccentric but likeable and secretly powerful teacher in the mix and well, you get the general plot to probably fifty million books in total.
Now, that doesn't have to be a bad thing. As I said, I reaaaally enjoyed myself for the first half of the book. Rin is very devoted to her studies and her training. Due to her upbringing she is determined to prove she deserves to be at the Academy and her motivation and thirst for praise shines through in every single one of her actions. She throws herself into her studies like crazy, resorts to something close to self-harm to stay awake at times and often reminds herself of the fate that would be hers should she be kicked out of the Academy. This is her driving force for the first section of the book and it is written in a very believable and well constructed way. Her actions make sense. There is a feeling of greater purpose, of all of this training leading up to something. She is, as such, a well written and fully formed character with flaws and strengths.
Unfortunately I eventually passed the 50% mark of the book, and this is where, well, for lack of a better term, everything goes to shit. While the first year of Rin's studies was described in a lot of detail, the author glosses over the next two years with little more than a few sentences and all of a sudden Rin has been at the Academy for a while. The war that has been looming with the Mugen has broken out. The capital is attacked, and all of a sudden every single parameter of the book changes. I am not exaggerating. From that point forward, it felt like I was reading an entirely different book. The setting changes, old characters are discarded (except for two of the more obnoxious ones) and a whole set of new characters and introduced that the author then wastes no time on actually developing. I get not wanting to start the process of character development over again in the middle of your novel. But well, that's why you generally don't switch out NINETY PERCENT OF YOUR ENTIRE CAST in one fell swoop.
As a reader, you're thrown into this "war" that was barely set up and expected to care about it. You're also supposed to work heavily on your suspension of disbelief, because otherwise you'd be reading most of the book with eyebrows raised to the ceiling (my future wrinkles are on you Ms Kuang).
Here's some questions that I have:
1) Why was Sinegard, the capital of an actual EMPIRE and seat of the most prestigious military Academy in the entire country, so poorly defended that it took an invading army all of two seconds to tear down?
2) Why do they spend so much time learning how to theorize the most outlandish tactics, but then all the tactics and strategies actually employed in the war are either extremely basic and/or plain stupid?
3) Why does our main character, who was literally top of her class in the strategy course, throw all that brain matter away the second she enters the actual war and refuses to make a single smart decision from that point forward?
4) Just in general, why is Nikara so poorly prepared for a war? All they do in the first half is talk and talk about how likely it is for Mugen to invade again. Well then, WHY DON'T YOU TRY PREPARING A LITTLE?
I could go on and on. The worst moment for me was this little gem once Rin has joined the Cike (basically rag-tag team of outcasts with special powers aka The Avengers, is what I'm calling them now [And I swear I've been calling them that since before they started doing so themselves. Pinky promise.])
Essentially, the second half of this book is closer to a trashfire than a meaningful story. It's as if it was written by an entirely different person. Rin suddenly doesn't have a personality anymore, aside from flip-flopping between panic to rage to insecurity to stubbornness to hatred to not really caring. From that point forward we hear nothing more of her motivations or what she thinks needs to happen aside from her going on about how she's so scared of war. Girl, you chose to enter a military Academy. What did you think was going to happen.
Suddenly she is this empty husk of a person that's just there to relay what's left of the so-called story. And honestly, it's not much. There's fighting, sure, but who cares at this point? Most of it is written poorly, with a setting that's hard to discern or place in the greater context of a war, and the characters that have been set up to act a certain way entirely go off script and basically just fuck up. A lot.
So you see, there are bad books. You pick them up and can tell pretty quickly what you've gotten yourself into, giving you a chance to decide whether you want to waste your time on them or not. And then there a books with a better-than-average premise, that have solid writing and characters, that actually make you CARE about what's happening, and then turn around and throw it all in your face. This is infinitely worse. I don't just dislike this book. I am bitter. I hold a grudge. And I will rant about it in more detail in a video coming next Friday. So hold on to your hats...
This book could have been a new favorite. It could have been a five star read. It could have been not torture to read. But alas.
Let's back up a bit. I went into this book with pretty high expectations given the raving reviews I'd heard and to begin with I was not disappointed.
Sure, the setup was a little (or a lot) cliché: Poor peasant girl with undeserved natural talent gets into prestigious military academy, beats out classmates with more knowledge, training and experience due to her just generally being *the shit*, discovers she has hidden powers and is bullied by students and teachers alike. Throw a single friend and an eccentric but likeable and secretly powerful teacher in the mix and well, you get the general plot to probably fifty million books in total.
Now, that doesn't have to be a bad thing. As I said, I reaaaally enjoyed myself for the first half of the book. Rin is very devoted to her studies and her training. Due to her upbringing she is determined to prove she deserves to be at the Academy and her motivation and thirst for praise shines through in every single one of her actions. She throws herself into her studies like crazy, resorts to something close to self-harm to stay awake at times and often reminds herself of the fate that would be hers should she be kicked out of the Academy. This is her driving force for the first section of the book and it is written in a very believable and well constructed way. Her actions make sense. There is a feeling of greater purpose, of all of this training leading up to something. She is, as such, a well written and fully formed character with flaws and strengths.
Unfortunately I eventually passed the 50% mark of the book, and this is where, well, for lack of a better term, everything goes to shit. While the first year of Rin's studies was described in a lot of detail, the author glosses over the next two years with little more than a few sentences and all of a sudden Rin has been at the Academy for a while. The war that has been looming with the Mugen has broken out. The capital is attacked, and all of a sudden every single parameter of the book changes. I am not exaggerating. From that point forward, it felt like I was reading an entirely different book. The setting changes, old characters are discarded (except for two of the more obnoxious ones) and a whole set of new characters and introduced that the author then wastes no time on actually developing. I get not wanting to start the process of character development over again in the middle of your novel. But well, that's why you generally don't switch out NINETY PERCENT OF YOUR ENTIRE CAST in one fell swoop.
As a reader, you're thrown into this "war" that was barely set up and expected to care about it. You're also supposed to work heavily on your suspension of disbelief, because otherwise you'd be reading most of the book with eyebrows raised to the ceiling (my future wrinkles are on you Ms Kuang).
Here's some questions that I have:
1) Why was Sinegard, the capital of an actual EMPIRE and seat of the most prestigious military Academy in the entire country, so poorly defended that it took an invading army all of two seconds to tear down?
2) Why do they spend so much time learning how to theorize the most outlandish tactics, but then all the tactics and strategies actually employed in the war are either extremely basic and/or plain stupid?
3) Why does our main character, who was literally top of her class in the strategy course, throw all that brain matter away the second she enters the actual war and refuses to make a single smart decision from that point forward?
4) Just in general, why is Nikara so poorly prepared for a war? All they do in the first half is talk and talk about how likely it is for Mugen to invade again. Well then, WHY DON'T YOU TRY PREPARING A LITTLE?
I could go on and on. The worst moment for me was this little gem once Rin has joined the Cike (basically rag-tag team of outcasts with special powers aka The Avengers, is what I'm calling them now [And I swear I've been calling them that since before they started doing so themselves. Pinky promise.])
Essentially, the second half of this book is closer to a trashfire than a meaningful story. It's as if it was written by an entirely different person. Rin suddenly doesn't have a personality anymore, aside from flip-flopping between panic to rage to insecurity to stubbornness to hatred to not really caring. From that point forward we hear nothing more of her motivations or what she thinks needs to happen aside from her going on about how she's so scared of war. Girl, you chose to enter a military Academy. What did you think was going to happen.
Suddenly she is this empty husk of a person that's just there to relay what's left of the so-called story. And honestly, it's not much. There's fighting, sure, but who cares at this point? Most of it is written poorly, with a setting that's hard to discern or place in the greater context of a war, and the characters that have been set up to act a certain way entirely go off script and basically just fuck up. A lot.
So you see, there are bad books. You pick them up and can tell pretty quickly what you've gotten yourself into, giving you a chance to decide whether you want to waste your time on them or not. And then there a books with a better-than-average premise, that have solid writing and characters, that actually make you CARE about what's happening, and then turn around and throw it all in your face. This is infinitely worse. I don't just dislike this book. I am bitter. I hold a grudge. And I will rant about it in more detail in a video coming next Friday. So hold on to your hats...
July 19, 2018
My Video Review:
https://youtu.be/6hlv4tFLNRI
This novel started out so strong for me, and I can't believe how little I was enjoying it toward the end. This novel reads like two separate people wrote it. I loved the first 40 percent. I know people have compared The Poppy War to The Kingkiller Chronicle because of the academy setting and the fact that the main characters don't have much going on personality-wise. I get that criticism, but I was just enjoying the academy and the classes and everything with the world building.
Rin is very determined, strong (and over the top with her self-harm), and persistent. She's quick-tempered and has a strong desire to learn and to lead. Then after 40%, she's completely the opposite. I don't understand. She whines and complains all the time. She's unfocused and weak (with random sprinkles of strength that are too few and far between?) She went to the academy to avoid getting herself locked down in the first place and then attached herself completely to some random dude that treats her poorly and she hardly knew? In one chapter she's "given up the luxury of fear," and then in the next, "fear struck her as she looked into that eye." Rin's characterization was just too inconsistent and really threw me out of the story constantly in the second half. I was fine with Rin being a Mary Sue, but I wished she'd at least been consistent with her Mary Sue-nature. At the very least, I wish she had kept her quick-tempered nature because that would have made the most sense with what happens in the second half.
Caveat: I read this as an audiobook, so her drastic change in tone and personality may have been read into her by the audiobook narrator. She may be a little better if you read it physically.
I honestly thought the gruesome aspects made a lot of sense, and I thought it was realistic. There is genocide, rape, torture, colorism, racism, and substance abuse. Those are terrible, but it wasn't where I had problems with this book. I think maybe this should have been published and split into two. The first half, the better half, would have been amazing. I probably would have given it 4-5 stars. Then Kuang would have had more time to polish and fix the characterization problems with the latter half.
I'm happy to see so many people love this book, but I was unfortunately a little disappointed.
https://youtu.be/6hlv4tFLNRI
This novel started out so strong for me, and I can't believe how little I was enjoying it toward the end. This novel reads like two separate people wrote it. I loved the first 40 percent. I know people have compared The Poppy War to The Kingkiller Chronicle because of the academy setting and the fact that the main characters don't have much going on personality-wise. I get that criticism, but I was just enjoying the academy and the classes and everything with the world building.
Rin is very determined, strong (and over the top with her self-harm), and persistent. She's quick-tempered and has a strong desire to learn and to lead. Then after 40%, she's completely the opposite. I don't understand. She whines and complains all the time. She's unfocused and weak (with random sprinkles of strength that are too few and far between?) She went to the academy to avoid getting herself locked down in the first place and then attached herself completely to some random dude that treats her poorly and she hardly knew? In one chapter she's "given up the luxury of fear," and then in the next, "fear struck her as she looked into that eye." Rin's characterization was just too inconsistent and really threw me out of the story constantly in the second half. I was fine with Rin being a Mary Sue, but I wished she'd at least been consistent with her Mary Sue-nature. At the very least, I wish she had kept her quick-tempered nature because that would have made the most sense with what happens in the second half.
Caveat: I read this as an audiobook, so her drastic change in tone and personality may have been read into her by the audiobook narrator. She may be a little better if you read it physically.
I honestly thought the gruesome aspects made a lot of sense, and I thought it was realistic. There is genocide, rape, torture, colorism, racism, and substance abuse. Those are terrible, but it wasn't where I had problems with this book. I think maybe this should have been published and split into two. The first half, the better half, would have been amazing. I probably would have given it 4-5 stars. Then Kuang would have had more time to polish and fix the characterization problems with the latter half.
I'm happy to see so many people love this book, but I was unfortunately a little disappointed.
June 21, 2021
You know when you read the first few chapters of a book and you’re overcome by a feeling, a knowing, that this book is going to stick with you. That you don’t know what’s going to happen next, but you can tell you’re going to love it? — that’s what The Poppy War made me feel.
The writing was exquisite. It drew me in, and kept me hooked. It felt like I was watching a movie in my head, everything was so vivid, mesmerising but also heartbreaking. From descriptions of the setting, to the history and world building. Wow. I’m completely in awe of the authors skill. With each chapter I became more and more obsessed with this world and this story.
I loved the elements of magic and mythology combined with the history and war.
There was constantly a lot of new information to process and so many characters that I had to start keeping a log of who’s who — but honestly that just added to my enjoyment.
The first portion is set during Rin’s time at the academy is slow paced. After that things really start picking up.
I cannot say there was one moment I was bored or uninterested, even during the slower chapters.
The setting was fantastic. I’m so used to reading western centric fantasy and this just made me realize how much I need Asian fantasy in my life.
Something that I enjoy most as a reader is learning through fiction. The author draws from real Chinese historic events such as the Opium Wars, the Second Sino-Japanese War and The Rape of Nanking.
I immediately found myself looking up these events, wanting to know more. It hit me so hard to find out that all these atrocities actually happened and people don’t speak about it.
This book while an enjoyable read was also very hard to read. It portrays the very real horrors of war and there were times I was crying my eyes out for all the suffering Rin had witnessed. (content and trigger warnings at the end of this review)
Rin, I admire the most. She fought tooth and nail for her place at Sinegard and didn’t let the others who thought she had no right to be there bring her down. She was fierce and determined. And yes, when war came knocking she realised she wasn’t as prepared as she’d thought. War and circumstances changed her and she ends up making questionable decisions that I didn’t agree with, however I still wanted the best for her (I’m still worried about her and I’m so scared for her in the next books eeeek! ).
Altan was also another character I really enjoyed reading about. There were times I hated him but at the end of the day I think Kuang did such a great job creating this character who has been used as a weapon, treated like an animal, who is driven by vengeance and hate.
The character growth we see in the span of one book left me shook. Some characters I thought were garbage become dear to me (*cough* Nezha *cough*). Kuang makes sure we see the flaws in every character, the basics of human nature, the cruelty humans are capable of when they think others are lesser.
The ending left me teary eyed and with a hunger for more. I’m sad that I didn’t read this book when it came out but now I’m glad because I can immediately continue on to book 2 and there’s not much time I have to wait till the final book is released 💃.
I really hope we get to see more development of the Cike crew. I feel like there is still so much I need to know!
CONTENT WARNINGS: violence, murder, genocide, gore, rape, animal cruelty, human experimentation, torture, mutilation
Buddy read with Ameerah & Warda
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Book 2: The Dragon Republic
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I'm gonna love this. Right?
Seriously guys, after just finishing City of Brass I cant take another disappointment
The writing was exquisite. It drew me in, and kept me hooked. It felt like I was watching a movie in my head, everything was so vivid, mesmerising but also heartbreaking. From descriptions of the setting, to the history and world building. Wow. I’m completely in awe of the authors skill. With each chapter I became more and more obsessed with this world and this story.
I loved the elements of magic and mythology combined with the history and war.
There was constantly a lot of new information to process and so many characters that I had to start keeping a log of who’s who — but honestly that just added to my enjoyment.
The first portion is set during Rin’s time at the academy is slow paced. After that things really start picking up.
I cannot say there was one moment I was bored or uninterested, even during the slower chapters.
The setting was fantastic. I’m so used to reading western centric fantasy and this just made me realize how much I need Asian fantasy in my life.
Something that I enjoy most as a reader is learning through fiction. The author draws from real Chinese historic events such as the Opium Wars, the Second Sino-Japanese War and The Rape of Nanking.
I immediately found myself looking up these events, wanting to know more. It hit me so hard to find out that all these atrocities actually happened and people don’t speak about it.
This book while an enjoyable read was also very hard to read. It portrays the very real horrors of war and there were times I was crying my eyes out for all the suffering Rin had witnessed. (content and trigger warnings at the end of this review)
Rin, I admire the most. She fought tooth and nail for her place at Sinegard and didn’t let the others who thought she had no right to be there bring her down. She was fierce and determined. And yes, when war came knocking she realised she wasn’t as prepared as she’d thought. War and circumstances changed her and she ends up making questionable decisions that I didn’t agree with, however I still wanted the best for her (I’m still worried about her and I’m so scared for her in the next books eeeek! ).
Altan was also another character I really enjoyed reading about. There were times I hated him but at the end of the day I think Kuang did such a great job creating this character who has been used as a weapon, treated like an animal, who is driven by vengeance and hate.
The character growth we see in the span of one book left me shook. Some characters I thought were garbage become dear to me (*cough* Nezha *cough*). Kuang makes sure we see the flaws in every character, the basics of human nature, the cruelty humans are capable of when they think others are lesser.
The ending left me teary eyed and with a hunger for more. I’m sad that I didn’t read this book when it came out but now I’m glad because I can immediately continue on to book 2 and there’s not much time I have to wait till the final book is released 💃.
I really hope we get to see more development of the Cike crew. I feel like there is still so much I need to know!
I have become something wonderful, she thought. I have become something terrible.
Was she now a goddess or a monster?
Perhaps neither. Perhaps both.
CONTENT WARNINGS: violence, murder, genocide, gore, rape, animal cruelty, human experimentation, torture, mutilation
Buddy read with Ameerah & Warda
___
Read my reviews for
Book 2: The Dragon Republic
___
Pre-Read
I'm gonna love this. Right?
Seriously guys, after just finishing City of Brass I cant take another disappointment
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