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Learning platform for Overpass API GSOC '15

Hey, I was going through the ideas and organizations for GSOC '15 and your Learning platform for Overpass API really caught my eye. I have some experience in web-development mostly Django and some javascript. I had some ideas on how this can be implemented would love to discuss those with you.

Thanks Arjunkrishna94

Great! I assume you already know how to use the Overpass API, don't you? I'm open for you ideas, go ahead. -- Tyr (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

The process of learning in code academy involves this

1.You signup for a course and find a bunch of chapters in that course.

2.You can go chapter by chapter or skip to the chapter you want.

3.Then they teach you a little by showing an example and a few lines explaining it or just the explanation.

4.Then you have to solve a problem , they check if you solved it by looking at your output (console logs in javascript)

5.You move on to other chapters.

Code academy is great if you want to learn something from top to bottom, however if you just want to get a small doubt cleared codeacademy is not the place. I think this is where something like w3schools comes in, they're great to use when you have to just clear up a small detail about javascript or something else. One of the major differences between codeacademy and w3schools is that w3schools does not validate your answer, there is no problem to solve in w3schools just examples. In code academy there are mostly problems to solve.

Many users may want to start from scratch to learn the overpass api and many of them may just want to clear a small doubt up. I suggest that something like w3schools but also with dedicated courses like codeacademy would be great(Best of both worlds).

Coming towards coding up such a platform one of the main questions is whether to use overpass turbo or not. Overpass turbo is great for building queries and running them , however testing the output obtained in order to ensure that the user solved the problem might be hard (or at least thats what I think, not too sure, have been thinking of ways to use it and develop over it). I suggest that overpass turbo be used when just examples have to be showcased and use the platform and leafleft.js (to show the output) when problems are being solved.

Anyway could we shift the disussion to email or something else?

PS: Here's something that I started writing just to familiarize myself with leaflet.js [1], I was just trying to show the query results on a map (I know it's ugly, excuse the looks please and it works only for nodes now).

--Arjunkrishna94 (talk) 16:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Agreed, let's continue via mail. --Tyr (talk) 21:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

GSoC 2015

I'm interested in participating in Google Summer of Code and found your idea really interesting. I've been using OSM since last year and I've learnt a bit how overpass works, mainly playing with overpass turbo. I'm in my first year of Computer Engineering and I'd like to know how hard the project could be. I don't know Javascript yet, but I do know Java and really enjoy learning new things.

Thanks -- nokutu 21:52, 2 March 2015 (CET)

Dear Jorge, thank you very much for your interest in the GSoC project. I wouldn't expect the project to be extremely hard, but some prior experience in web development would certainly make a difference. Would this be your very first steps towards web programming? Or do you already know a little bit about HTML&CSS, CMS systems, etc.? -- Tyr (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I haven't done it before but I suppose I would have enough time before starting to learn everything I need. What would you recommend me to learn? -- nokutu 23:40, 2 March 2015 (CET)

I'd suggest you take a look at the courses on codecademy.com. There are a lot of great courses for beginners about any aspect of web development (from a basic HTML webpage to Javascript, etc.). -- Tyr (talk) 13:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Trentino page layout

Grazie per avermi fatto conoscere un nuovo valore display, ho visto anche, facendo ricerca che l'html5 è andato avanti dai tempi in cui giochicchiavo con l'editor, magari modifichero le distanze, ma comunque ho imparato qualcosa di nuovo, grazie ancora. Simone G.

Di niente! :) --Tyr (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Build Process

Hello ,I was going through various projects and this one really impressed me.I was wondering what will be the build process of this codeacademy-like-site.

• What level of proficiency in Javascript is required for this project?
• Will it be following any programming pattern like functional Programming or OOP?
• I created this simple app with leaflet that gets the user's location and displays it on the map.
• I am currently mastering advanced Javascript concepts like callback,closures,prototypal inheritance,etc.

-Amitkjs

I guess your js-foundations are quite sufficient I would say from what I can see. Can you tell me about when and how you found out about OSM and Overpass? Do you have any ideas/suggestions how such a learning platform could be most usefull for beginners? (btw: you can contact me via email, if you want.)

--Tyr (talk) 10:39, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I emailed you.Let's move the conversation over there.

-Amitkjs

Learning Platform - "Best practise" examples in osm wiki

the German "Beispielsammlung" for Overpass API is around for quite some time, collecting many (mostly non-trivial) queries from OSM Forum, OSM help, stackoverflow, gis.stackexchange,....

Now there's a counterpart in English available, which should be a good starting point for a learning platform (Overpass_API/Overpass_API_by_Example). Not everything is yet translated, but I'm sure this will improve in the weeks to come. Mmd (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! --Tyr (talk) 18:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Overpass turbo/MapCSS

Hallo, ich schlage wg. deinem Link in DE:Overpass turbo hier auf.

Vorab mal vielen Danke an alle Beteiligten für dieses prima Werkzeug!

Meine konkrete Frage im Rahmen meiner derzeitigen Versuche: Auf Overpass turbo/MapCSS lese ich: "Some Restrictions [...] zoom-level selectors (e.g. |z12) are not supported (in fact, they are always evaluated for zoom-level 18, regardless of the actual map state)." Soweit mich meine Versuche nicht täuschen, ist das (leider, leider) wirklich so. Ist denn geplant, das mal zu implementieren?

Fragende Grüße aus Kassel

von Jo Cassel (talk) 14:09, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Ja, geplant wäre es schon, aber leider komme ich momentan aus Zeitgründen nur sehr selten dazu größere Features weiterzuentwickeln, deshalb wird ein deutlich verbesserter MapCSS noch etwas auf sich warten lassen. Habe den Punkt aber gerade auf die todo-Liste gesetzt. --Tyr (talk) 06:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, an 11. Stelle - das liest sich ja alles nicht so hoffnungsvoll ;-)

Wäre schön, wenn es (irgendwann) was würde, und Du mir dann (über OSM-Wiki oder den OSM-Account) Bescheid sagst, ich stelle mich gern als beta-Tester zu Verfügung.

Grüße und schönes Wochenende wünscht Jo Cassel (talk) 08:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Bug in overpass-turbo ?

Hallo Martin, kannst du dich dieser Frage annehmen bzw. mir mitteilen, ob es sich hier um ein Problem des Overpass Turbo oder des Wikis handelt? Danke und Gruß von René aus Mainz --Reneman (talk) 18:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hallo, ich hab dort mal geantwortet. Ist alles außer ein overpass turbo issue. Mmd (talk) 18:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Danke @mmd.--Tyr (talk) 09:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

overpass turbo - Ausgabe ohne Link beim Tag "wikimedia_commons"

Hallo, ich hätte da einer Fehlermeldung bzw. Verbesserungsvorschlag, das Problem hatte ich schon unter https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58497 angesprochen, dort wurde ich auf Github verwiesen, dies ist aber nicht meine Welt, daher versuche ich es mal hier, auf dem kurzen Diestweg.

Als Kopie:

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Die Bedienungsanleitung verlangt für die Hinterlegung eines Hinweises auf eine Category bei Wikimedia Commons die Form:

wikimedia_commons=Category:MeineZielkategorie

Das Problem: Weder die 1) OSM Homepage, noch 2) overpass turbo löst gegenwärtig einen derartigen Tag zu einem clickbaren Link auf, (im Gegensatz zu dem Tag für Wikipedia-Artikel, dort wird automatisch ein clickbarer Link generiert).

Wer könnte da was verbessern? Es dürfte doch nicht so kompliziert sein, die gk.historic.place/historische_objekte-Karte schafft das problemlos.

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Eigentlich dürfte dies doch keine große Sache sein, vgl. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons

WENN der value im Tag "wikimedia_commons" mit "Category:" ODER "File:" beginnt, (WENN NICHT, dann Finger weg, dann hat der Mapper möglicherweise Mist gebaut) DANN wird:

1.) Der String "https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/" davorgesetzt und

2.) Ggf. vorhandene Leerzeichen im value werden durch Unterstriche ersetzt

und fertig ist der Link - oder sehe ich da etwas falsch?

Vielleicht ist es ja möglich diese 1-2 Codezeile mal zwischendurch einzuschieben? Hoffnunungsvolle Grüße ...Jo Cassel (talk) 15:44, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Ja, das sollte kein allzu großes Ding sein. Habe ein Ticket auf github dafür angelegt: https://github.com/tyrasd/overpass-turbo/issues/320 -- Tyr (talk) 19:21, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Hallo, wie ich feststellen konnte ist die Commons-Verlinkung inzwischen in Betrieb, Danke nochmal! Ich möchte noch 2 Dinge anmerken, die mir als Benutzer auffallen:

• 1.) Ruft man mit einem Browser (Firefox), bei dem Cookies deaktiviert sind, eine per "Teilen" + shortlink generierte Abfrage auf, so erscheint in der Bildmitte eine Fehlermeldung, die das Abfrageergebnis verdeckt. Dies erscheint mir reichlich unsinnig, denn die Abfrage funktioniert auch ohne Cookies, und die Fehlermeldung verdeckt etwas völlig fehlerloses.
• 2.) Bei einer per "Export" generierten "Interaktiven Karte" läuft eine lange URL (beim "image"-Tag) nach rechts aus dem Info-Fenster (Beim Info-Fenster einer per "Teilen" + shortlink generierte Abfrage passiert dies dagegen nicht!?). Die URL funktioniert auch weiterhin, sieht halt einfach nur suboptimal aus.

Die ganze Sache mit "Teilen" + shortlink einerseits und "Export" + "Interaktive Karte" andererseits macht mich ohnehin etwas ratlos, s.:
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58829
Wäre es nicht sinnvoller, wenn man beim "Teilen" der Abfrage mitgeben kann, dass das Codefenster (+ggf. die Kopfzeile) beim Aufruf der Abfrage geschlossen sein soll - und schon hat man eine "Interaktive Karte"?

Grüße ... Jo Cassel (talk) 09:59, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

CC BY-NC-ND

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Address_Patterns.pdf has CC BY-NC-ND license but CC BY-NC-ND is incompatible with this wiki's license, CC BY-SA. Would you be willing to change it? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi. The image was only uploaded by me, but I am not the author. See the file's description/summary. What do you mean with "incompatible with this wiki's license", exactly? -- Tyr (talk) 14:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

See footer - contents of wiki are https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ licensed. During editing you should see "Our wiki content license is CC BY-SA 2.0." below summary text field. Added restriction (no derivatives, no commercial use) make this incompatible with this license. I found it because https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0 was proposed for deletion. (note: it is possible that User:Minh Nguyen who added this note https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0&diff=1877206&oldid=1530112 and me are both mistaken, anyway it would be a good to clarify the copyright situation) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the footer: Strange, for me the wiki footer (now) shows the following information (highlighting by me):

Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license unless otherwise noted.

I see the message you mention when editing the (text) content of the wiki. I believe it relates only to the text contents of the wiki, because it doesn't appear on the file upload page. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Upload even explicitly says that one should upload content that might not be openly licenced. Here some examples (sorry, I can only see the German translations, but I'm sure they appear in all languages) – highlighted by me:

Die folgenden Mediendateien sollten ins OpenStreetMap-Wiki hochgeladen werden:

Screenshots die Bing-Luftbilder, urheberrechtlich geschützte Software oder Webseiten mit OpenStreetMap-Daten beinhalten. […]

Mediendateien die nicht zum Projektumfang von Wikimedia Commons gehören, aber für das OpenStreetMap-Wiki benötigt werden: Beispiele sind „State of the Map“-Konferenzen, „Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team“-Projekte, Mapping Parties.

IMHO and as far as I understand the legal copyright situation, it should be perfectly fine to have this sotm-2019 poster and similar OSM related files uploaded to the osm wiki, under CC BY-NC-ND or even under less open licenses.

-- Tyr (talk) 09:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, only during text editing there is "Our wiki content license is CC BY-SA 2.0". Thanks! I will remove proposed deletion of that template Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit this morning

Did you mean to remove the label from MP_TYPE (Q7929)? --Andrew (talk) 12:50, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps it was a mistake. I was under the impression that just repeating the tag key itself in the label is redundant information and thus not really necessary.

Is the data-item label really intended to strictly repeat the tag key in the label? Maybe re-labeling the input field would make sense, so that new users don't get the (false) idea to put a proper label in there. ;)

-- Tyr (talk) 12:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Data items

Note that (at least currently) templates show also entries from data items, even if not specified as parameters. You would need to edits also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q4872 and remove this display Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I was already wondering why the info box didn't update. -- Tyr (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

taghistory.raifer.tech

Hi,
what is the name of this software: https://taghistory.raifer.tech/ - "OSM Tag History"? "Tag History"? "TagHistory"? other?

What is the proper license for screenshots from it like these ones: Category:OSMTagHistory? ODbL + © OpenStreetMap contributors would be ok? maro21 22:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I would go with "OSM Tag History" as the name of the tool. For the attribution text, the proposed solution looks fine to me. :)

-- Tyr (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Missing file information

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Sorry for bothering you about this, but it is important to know source of the uploaded files.

Are you the author of image File:Bus.meran.eu real time bus map.png ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Please, add this info to the file page - something like "I took this photo" or "downloaded from -website link-" or "I took this screeshot of program XYZ".

Doing this would be already very useful.

[…snip…]

--Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey. I took the screenshot. The depicted tool is (if I remember correctly) open source, but the map style they used is probably not. This was a submission for a "image of the week" on the osm wiki. My plan was to ask for proper permission for licensing of the image, should it find enough interest for the image of the week, which it didn't, which is why I never added a proper license to this image. See Parked_image_proposals#bus.meran.eu for the discussion around this image.

-- Tyr (talk) 18:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Missing file information

Are you author of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:H%C3%B6rsaalzentrum_Chemie_-_Foyer_07.jpg ? If yes - would you be OK with {{CC0-self}} or releasing in under some other free license? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure anymore, but I'm fairly certain that I did actually not take this particular image myself: It was part of a set of pictures which were given to me by my colleagues to use for our SotM application/bid. -- Tyr (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

In such case - would you be fine with deleting it due to unknown copyright status? Or are you planning to research its situation? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't categorically object the deletion in this case, but I'm also failing to see what the benefit of the removal would be (after the unclear license status is now documented correctly — thank you for that). Since the photo was used in the SotM 2019 bid, it still serves a (small) role documenting the proposal. The wiki doesn't prohibit uploading of non-open media files AFAICS, does it? PS: I'll try to figure out who's picture this was and ask if a license/permission can be specified, but can't guarantee if I can still find it out. -- Tyr (talk) 15:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

how to handle files without clear licenses, and which unfree ones should be kept is being discussed (though so far not many people commented), and it is an open topic how to exactly handle it. In general files on OSM Wiki were basically not maintained and monitored, we have several thousands cases of copyright violations (most of them are issues CC files where attribution is/was missing but there are/were even more serious cases) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Note also "Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license unless otherwise noted." in footer. As this file is not CC (and if it yes, then attribution requirement cannot be fulfilled) then it is sadly in broken licensing state. Sadly it was not caught in time when fixing this would be easy :( Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

opening hours

Google Summer of Code/2022/Project ideas - it would be probably a good idea that only the simplest possible syntax support is planned.

Full paring of opening hours syntax is far more involved project that 175 hours (based on failing to implement something similar for StreetComplete) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Right! It totally makes sense to state that the result of this project should be to support the most used/required basic tagging syntax. I have tweaked the text a bit now, but I'm sure it could be further improved. -- Tyr (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Maybe suggest that proposal should define scope of what kind of OH syntax will be implemented? This could be a good filter (or include suggested scope in project description) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:13, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Missing file information

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Sorry for bothering you about this, but it is important to know source of the uploaded files.

Are you the creator of image File:Hörsaalzentrum Chemie - Foyer 08.jpg ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Please, add this info to the file page - something like "I took this photo" or "downloaded from -website link-" or "I took this screeshot of program XYZ" or "this is map generated from OpenStreetMap data and SRTM data" or "map generated from OSM data and only OSM data" or "This is my work based on file -link-to-page-with-that-file-and-its-licensing-info-" or "used file downloaded from internet to create it, no idea which one".

Doing this would be already very useful.

Licensing - photos

In case that you are the author of the image: Would you agree to open licensing of this image, allowing its use by anyone (similarly to your OSM edits)?

In case where it is a photo you (except relatively rare cases) author can make it available under a specific free license.

Would you be OK with CC0 (it allows use without attribution or any other requirement)?

Or do you prefer to require attribution and some other things using CC-BY-SA-4.0?

If you are the author: Please add {{CC0-self}} to the file page to publish the image under CC0 license.

You can also use {{CC-BY-SA-4.0-self|Tyr}} to publish under CC-BY-SA-4.0 license.

Once you add missing data - please remove {{Unknown|subcategory=uploader notified 2022, June}} from the file page.

Licensing - other images

If it is not a photo situation gets a bit more complicated.

See Drafts/Media file license chart that may help.

note: if you took screenshot of program made by someone else, screenshot of OSM editor with aerial imagery: then licensing of that elements also matter and you are not a sole author.

note: If you downloaded image made by someone else then you are NOT the author.

Note that in cases where photo is a screenshot of some software interface: usually it is needed to handle also copyright of software itself.

Note that in cases where aerial imagery is present: also licensing of an aerial imagery matter.

Help

Feel free to ask for help if you need it - you can do it for example by asking on Talk:Wiki: new topic.

Please ask there if you are not sure what is the proper next step. Especially when you are uploading files that are not your own work or are derivative work (screenshots, composition of images, using aerial imagery etc).

If you are interested in wider discussion about handling licencing at OSM Wiki, see this thread.

(sorry if I missed something that already states license and source: I am looking through over 20 000 files and fixing obvious cases on my own, in other I ask people who upladed files, but it is possible that I missed something - in such case also please answer)

--Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Missing file information

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Sorry for bothering you about this, but it is important to know source of the uploaded files.

Are you the creator of image File:Heidelberg mit schloss.png ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Please, add this info to the file page - something like "I took this photo" or "downloaded from -website link-" or "I took this screeshot of program XYZ" or "this is map generated from OpenStreetMap data and SRTM data" or "map generated from OSM data and only OSM data" or "This is my work based on file -link-to-page-with-that-file-and-its-licensing-info-" or "used file downloaded from internet to create it, no idea which one".

Doing this would be already very useful.

Licensing - photos

In case that you are the author of the image: Would you agree to open licensing of this image, allowing its use by anyone (similarly to your OSM edits)?

In case where it is a photo you have taken then you can make it available under a specific free license (except some cases, like photos of modern sculptures in coutries without freedom of panorama or taking photo of copyrighted artwork).

Would you be OK with CC0 (it allows use without attribution or any other requirement)?

Or do you prefer to require attribution and some other things using CC-BY-SA-4.0?

If you are the author: Please add {{CC0-self}} to the file page to publish the image under CC0 license.

You can also use {{CC-BY-SA-4.0-self|Tyr}} to publish under CC-BY-SA-4.0 license.

Once you add missing data - please remove {{Unknown|subcategory=uploader notified 2022, August}} from the file page.

Licensing - other images

If it is not a photo situation gets a bit more complicated.

See Drafts/Media file license chart that may help.

note: if you took screenshot of program made by someone else, screenshot of OSM editor with aerial imagery: then licensing of that elements also matter and you are not a sole author.

note: If you downloaded image made by someone else then you are NOT the author.

Note that in cases where photo is a screenshot of some software interface: usually it is needed to handle also copyright of software itself.

Note that in cases where aerial imagery is present: also licensing of an aerial imagery matter.

Help

Feel free to ask for help if you need it - you can do it for example by asking on Talk:Wiki: new topic.

Please ask there if you are not sure what is the proper next step. Especially when you are uploading files that are not your own work or are derivative work (screenshots, composition of images, using aerial imagery etc).

If you are interested in wider discussion about handling licencing at OSM Wiki, see this thread.

(sorry if I missed something that already states license and source: I am looking through over 20 000 files and fixing obvious cases on my own, in other I ask people who upladed files, but it is possible that I missed something - in such case also please answer)

--Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for processing! There are also few other images, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mateusz_Konieczny/notify_uploaders/Tyr Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Marked two more as to be deleted. File:Heidelberg mit schloss.jpg is still used on the SotM 2019 bid page, see also above. -- Tyr (talk) 15:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

iD meeting

Is one planned for May? I do not see it in ID/Monthly Meetup or title of https://osmvideo.cloud68.co/user/mar-ljx-3qx-58s or calendar on the OSM Wiki page Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)