Talk:Scorponok (G1)

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Do you think Black Zarak should be considered a seperate character from Scorponok? He did have a different consciousness than Scorponok (with Devil Z in his noggin and Scorponok serving as nothing more than a power battery wired into the chest).--DrSpengler 04:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

no, because Scorponok is the little robot, and the big body is Megazarak/Black Zarak. (Scorponok was generally known as Black Zarak in MF, because he was permenantly wired into his transector, and never emerged.)

That he was posesses by Dark Nova is a null-issue. He's not Dark NOva, he existed for 20 episodes prior as a seperate character. -Derik 06:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

You mean Devil Z, right? Dark Nova is from Battlestars. Takeshi357 19:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

So, hey, what with the use of Japanese names for Headmasters? We normally refer to characters from Japanese fiction with their American names, don't we? - Chris McFeely 18:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

In this case, the Japanese character is being considered different from the English character, so we only have the Japanese names to go on. We're not going to call Go Shuta or whoever "Siren." They're not the same guy, so it's a different case than, say, Stepper/Ricochet. --ItsWalky 18:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, yeah. I guess what my question really was was "Why are we considering them different characters?" I've been through this whole dealie before with the Headmasters DVD, and I can certainly see the logic in taking such an approach, but it's... are we going to create separate articles for Wipe and Skull, just because they have different names from their American counterparts? The differences that separate them from Mindwipe and Skullcruncher are no greater than those that separate Scorponok from MegaZarak. Of course, I'm a giant hypocrit, since I wouldn't contest this in the case of Fortress, so... yes, I really don't know what my point is. - Chris McFeely 19:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Wipe and Skull can have their own pages. --ItsWalky 19:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I sorta see what you're getting at, Chris -- some of the Masterforce characters are really different from their different-name US couterparts, but some are pretty similar. So... we *could*evaluate it case-by-case, but, I think that would just make things more confusing. I'm inclined to treat all the Masterforce guys as different characters than their US counterparts, even when they are actually similar, just for the sake of uniformity. --Steve-o 19:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean Headmasters, right? But then, does that not technically mean we should be having articles like "Chromedome (US)" and "Chromedome (Headmasters)"? Personally, I'm more inclined to go the other way, and treat them as just being the same characters. If it's worth anything in the consideration, this is how it was done for the R2 Headmasters DVD. Um, except for Fortress. And that was mostly just based on the wordplay inherent in the name. Hence my hypocrisy. - Chris McFeely 19:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• Personally, I think we should just keep the "Wipes" in the "Mindwipe" articles but under the Japanese fiction sections just refer to them by their Japanese names as a means to differentiate. The US and Japanese characters are similar enough to warrant sharing space in one article and I don't think callig them by their Japanese names where appropriate would be too confusing to the readers (especially since there's a note at the beginning of each article listing the foreign names).

But that's just my fitty cents, dawgs. --DrSpengler 21:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Headmasters = Different takes on the same characters.

Junior Headmasters & Powermasters = Different characters. -Derik23:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Apologies if this debate was done to death elsewhere, but I think the Japanese stuff should really get its own article. Scorpy's completely non-informative intro is as good a piece of evidence as anything. Really, I see no difference at all between this and Ginrai. (For consistency's sake, we should probably apply the same treatment to the other J-Headmasters, but only because the extremity of characters like Zarak and Fortress called for it first.) - Jackpot 04:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ehh. He's a Decepticon leader, he's something of an offworlder, he's at odds with the other Decepticon leader(s). I'm not seeing any difference here that wouldn't apply to the various G1 Shockwaves, and I think he has more in common with comics Scorponok than cartoon Scorponok does. The only huge difference is that in Japan, Scorponok is a gold and purple dude with a Transtector that looks like US Scorponok. Chip 05:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the fact that the Shockwaves and Blasters and, hell, the English-language Scorponoks are grouped together either, but I accept it as the unavoidable result of larger policy. However, Masterforce breaks that policy with good reason, and I see no reason not to let The Headmasters follow. The core disparity between the Japanese and English-language notions of "binary-bonding" (in fact, do the former even use that term?) is enough for me to want a split. Sure, the potential "Scorponok (US/UK)" and "Scorponok (Japan)" articles (and other such pairs) should reference each other, but I really don't think they should be the same. - Jackpot 05:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the key distinction is that they're all based around the same character concept. My understanding is that while the Japanese bios are ridiculously condensed, Scorponok over there is based on Scorponok over here. It wasn't until Masterforce that things really branched off, with toys being given vastly different writeups over there. Chip 13:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Rorichi ?

Does "Rorichi" mean anything in Japanese? --FortMax 19:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

"Roll-1", maybe? Just guessin' here.--MCRG 06:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

American/JP Scorpy

Someone... on some other talk page I can't find now... made a serious (frustrated) request that Scorponok be split into two articles for his American vs. Japanese versions.

I'd like to second that request. The main picture on the article isn't even showing Scorponok- it shows Megazarak. Even allowing for that- Megazarak has a different character model. This treatment is shafting the Japanese version of the character (hollow, generic cackling bad guy that he be.)

I don't believe that all Headmasters should be split this way- but Scorponok is, in many special ways, done a disservice by being treated as one article. Alternately, sub-articles with the Japanese section begin a brief summary followed by a 'for more information see Scorponok (Headmasters)' -Derik 19:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

the character model argument is a moot point. None of the characters introduced in Rebirth use the same model in Rebirth and Headmasters. And the transtector's English name is "Scorponok". Even then, it's not like head-robot Scorponok isn't the same guy as head-mode-robot-in-nead-mode-attached-to-transtector. The main difference is that instead of Scorponok is the small robot that controls a brainless body instead of Scorponok's head transforming tnto a separate fleshling.

If we have seperate articles for the Rebirth and Headmasters versions of Scorponok, we'll need to do it for every Headmaster because the only thing Scorponok has different is the names were switched. That, and there is Japanese fiction that does have the heads as separate beings, namely the tech specs and packages. --FortMax 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Scorponok has no separate "space ship" mode in the 3rd Rebirth episode

So, I don't know if I'm just misinterpreting one of the cracks that are characteristic to Tfwiki, but anyway: See the collage of four pictures of Scorponok's modes on Rebirth, claiming he has a fourth mode, a "space ship"? Look again. The supposed "spaceship" mode is simply his city mode from "behind". Yeah, we can always talk about how well (or badly) he's drawn since this upper arms are missing from the tower, but the supposed "spaceship mode" is just the citymode from the side where his scorpion head is (the tail forms the front ramp).

So basically I kinda wonder if that collage should even be there. Tell me? Jerryteacup (talk) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)