Talk:Blue Bolts (RID)

Merging Gun Blue Bolts with Bird Bluebolt

Merge with Bluebolt?

Hey, Saix.

° I didn't notice that in the product copy. It's been wrong before, though, especially in recent years. Silverstreak, he/him Burn Out, etc. The streams are good for identifying designer intent, and in the presence of conflicting information it's possible to weigh these things up case by case. ° The way this character breaks apart is explicitly not what Battle Masters are, but IS what Weaponisers are. ° Weaponizer also matches Bluebolt, the Maximal from later in JG1 who inexplicably introduced herself as a Weaponizer, who was apparently named for the Car Robots name for this weapon (Bluebolt).

The stated gender doesn't match, but we can sumrise now that that story decision was made with advance knowledge of this product, given that they share the same facial sculpt (which has been used to combine characters as seen in toy under lesser pretense). I'd therefore advocate for a merger, but don't edit the wiki enough to know how to do so.

Sky Shadow (talk) 12:50, 30 January 2024 (EST)

So hey there have been big developments in this case! Please see the Notes sections here and at bird Bluebolt to see the deluge of behind-the-scenes conceptual overlap we just learned about. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 01:44, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

I think that at this point, with the revelation that the Bluebolt weapon was part of Sakamoto's concept process for the character and that elements of that were retained in the finished bio ("universal/multipurpose weaponizer"), we should probably just merge the two pages. While they're a more tenuous link, the fact that most of the detailing on Autobot Bluebolts not taken from the original weapon seems to correlate to Selects Skywarp (faceplate and forehead "beak", diagonal lines on the chest, the thigh detailing) reinforces, for me, that Bluebolt was in some way part of the design process for Bluebolts. --Broadside (talk) 13:08, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

A finalized-ish mock-up of a combined page can now be found here, courtey of McBaggins, Saix and myself. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 16:46, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

Merge with Blue Bolts (RID)?

Personally, I'm not quite sure if they should be merged due to them only sharing a name and title of weaponizer, and they were seemingly developed separately from each other. I kinda want to wait and see first if TT confirms they're the same.Poliwag06 (talk) 22:47, 12 March 2024 (EDT)

The merge template is referring to this thread from Bird Bluebolt creator Hayato Sakamoto. Nobody move until we have that written up. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 22:54, 12 March 2024 (EDT)

Ok.Poliwag06 (talk) 22:56, 12 March 2024 (EDT)

I'm fine with the merge. Sakamoto makes clear that he conceptualized the two things as the same entity and Yuki followed through. Simplifies things. Only thing I don't like is "Blue Bolts" being the ugliest spelling. Saix (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

The idea would be to only use "Blue Bolts" in the cartoon section covering the English dub and its related US media, and then use the CRnote to justify using "Bluebolt" for all of the JG1 sections. --Sabrblade (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

...maybe we just pull a Roller/UW or Smokescreen/BT on them?Poliwag06 (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

I'm up for the merge, but we need to settle the issue of pronouns. Given that I believe one of the Hasbro lads used "he" for the Haslab toy, Sakamoto has liked a grand total of One posts that uses "she" on twitter, and the comic itself doesn't use gendered pronouns, I'm skeptical of committing at this time. Can we include a trivia note and just put it down to "them" for safety or do people feel more confident with something else?Star Spangled Sam (talk) 08:15, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

I'm fine with just rewriting the relevant fiction sections such that it doesn't use pronouns, if possible. Locoman (talk) 08:28, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

A finalized-ish mock-up of a combined page (with neutral pronouns) can now be found here, courtey of McBaggins, Saix and myself. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 16:47, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

Un-merging Gun Blue Bolts with Bird Bluebolt

While I agree the bird and the gun being the same character was most likely Sakamoto's intention, that is not what any official licensed media says. The opening paragraphs of this article very confidential state that, "In at least one far flung future, Bluebolt evolved into a Maximal "Universal Weaponizer"" citing a source that in fact, does not say what the article is claiming. Authorial intent is pseudocanon at best, leave it in the footnotes. Arren (talk) 23:56, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

I'm uncertain how likely an immediate un-merge is but I've tweaked the misleading bit of the intro. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 03:38, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

Bird bot identity dispute section?

I think we should maybe move the trivia about the identity of the weapon and the bird into it's own separate section z much how Dions has a description about who he is.Poliwag06 (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2024 (EDT)

There isn't really a dispute so much as a current lack of information. The merge was based on Sakamoto recounting details of his production of the comic he actually worked on while mentioning the bits of development of the Haslab toy relevant to his work, along with associated analysis of the Haslab design. While there may be a need for future discussion about the merge if and when we get more information about the development of the Haslab toy, there actually isn't a huge mystery about "who is Bluebolt". Bluebolt is a bird and Bluebolt is a gun, and due to our current level of evidence we feel confident in having these two logged as the same thing. Dion got his own identity section because it was the only thing anybody talked to related to that character for twenty years. Bluebolt is a wee little thing in a far corner of nerdery, if we are still having this discussion in twenty years, maybe we can revisit this issue.Star Spangled Sam (talk) 09:15, 24 March 2024 (EDT)

Gender confirmation

In Evans video going over the Omega prime has lab on the official hasbro pulse channelhe said Bluebolts is a she as part of the legends manga tie in stuff so this page should be updated to reflect that. Sonerec725 (talk) 9:44, 5 October 2024 (EDT)

He also used They/Them for like, the first half of his presentation, while it's admirable to reflect on statement from official designers & representatives, at the moment who know where tf he came with that statement. Currenty even the best translators of this wiki tend to agree that in the story, Bluebolt's gender wasn't stated so it is ambiguous for us.

Also, he said it was from the "Legends manga" as many fans do wrongly because it's drawn by the same artist, it's false since it ended many years ago. –MahXyme/MahXymal (talk) 12:06, 5 October 2024 (EDT)