Property talk:P512
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academic degree that the person holds
| Description | Academic degree that the person holds - academic degree (Q189533) | ||||||||||||
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| Represents | academic degree (Q189533) | ||||||||||||
| Data type | Item | ||||||||||||
| Template parameter | You can use en:Template:Infobox person education as complementary factor. | ||||||||||||
| Domain | According to this template:
Person
When possible, data should only be stored as statements | ||||||||||||
| Allowed values | According to this template:
Academic degree [ academic degree (Q189533) ] such as Doctor of Philosophy, Master, Bachelor etc.
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statements | ||||||||||||
| Example | Paul Krugman (Q131112) → Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297) Vladimir Putin (Q7747) → Candidate of Economic Sciences (Q17744738) Zhores Alferov (Q183279) → Doctor of Sciences in Physics and Mathematics (Q17281097) Lucien Tesnière (Q257181) → licence ès lettres (Q55739259) | ||||||||||||
| Source | External information about that person can be source of this property (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896)) | ||||||||||||
| Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P512 (Q27478254) | ||||||||||||
| Tracking: local yes, WD no | no label (Q32764893) | ||||||||||||
| See also | assessment (P5021), grants (P5460), professorship (P803), academic major (P812), educational stage (P7374) | ||||||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
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List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Scope, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Type Q5, Q95074, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Value type Q189533, Q2250795, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#citation needed
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P512#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL
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A qualifier for the place of thesis defence
editIn USSR dissertations were often made (and defended) in scientific-research instutes that weren't educational so educated at (P69) is not applicable. What sould one do? Ain92 (talk) 13:02, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
- Probably some sort of "degree-granting-institution" as a subclass of higher education institution (Q38723) might help? --WiseWoman (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Competition with educated at (P69)
editWhen indicating that a person has earned an academic degree from a university, should we use property educated at (P69) with qualifier academic degree (P512), or vice versa property academic degree (P512) with qualifier educated at (P69)? The former approach is currently used in 582 items, the latter approach in 59 items. I prefer the former (i.e. educated at (P69) qualified with academic degree (P512)) also because this is already the case in many show case items (such as Barack Obama (Q76)) and the use of qualifiers start time (P580), end time (P582) and academic degree (P512) is explicitely recommended at academic degree (P512)'s talk page. Omitting academic degree (P512) in this case also makes it possible to indicate that the person has attended the university but perhaps has not finished his or her studies (i.e. has not earned a degree). On the other hand, I can find academic degree (P512) useful as a property if the university is not known. Still, I think we need to determine a single recommended approach to indicating the university AND the academic degree at the same time, because templates such as infoboxes for people draw this information and need to know where to look for it without having to try out several possible schemes. Currently, the talk page descriptions of the two properties contradict each other. --Blahma (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- I use your preferred approach and I agree that I think it's better. I typically do educated at (P69), qualified with academic degree (P512), start time (P580), end time (P582), and academic major (P812), depending on how much information is available. Cbrown1023 talk 18:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
- But of course when educated at (P69) has no relation to academic degree (P512) (see topic above) we should go with separate statements. --Infovarius (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
I think separating academic degree (P512) and educated at (P69) is not ideal, because it goes with some redundancies (which take time). If we could add sub-qualifiers for qualifiers of statements, it would be ideal. Such as
- educated at (P69)
- start time (P580)
- end time (P582)
- academic degree (P512)
- point in time (P585) (because it may not be the same as academic degree (P512), especially in German universities)
- doctoral advisor (P184)
There should also be a possibility for multiple (consecutive) degrees at the same university (as in the USA: BA, MA, PhD). Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- You can't have qualifiers on qualifiers, but you could list the same place several times with different qualifiers (dates).
- Personally, I found it easier to use P512 as a property rather than as a qualifier. --- Jura 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- Easier, yes, but why not do it my way? Jonathan Groß (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Try one and you will see it doesn't work. --- Jura 07:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- I know. But this is a wiki and the developers could change that, theoretically. Maybe it's better not to allow different hierarchic levels for qualifiers within a statement ... I'm no software engineer, so I don't know.
- Aside from that, I have another quarrel with academic degree (P512). You can only enter one value for each qualifier, which leads to redundancies. See Hans Gossen (Q19210145) for example: Two doctoral advisors. Jonathan Groß (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Already data in qualifiers isn't necessarily being used .. so qualifiers on qualifiers ..
- Special:PermanentLink/235933487#P512 is the way it looks when you add it as a qualifier. But even P184 should be a statement. --- Jura 13:59, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Not if a person obtained multiple academic degrees (e.g. Helmut Seng (Q1604199)). Jonathan Groß (talk) 21:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- In that case, you'd have to add qualifiers on P184. Just wondering, for both fields, is it of importance who it was? I suppose yes, if it was found later that they didn't actually write it themselves, otherwise? --- Jura 13:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
- I updated links above from Blahma because autolist is now both deprecated and broken. I now added a 3rd link here and updated with stats as of now:
- 9186 items: P69 → P512
- 2638 items: P512 → P69
- 611 items: intersection of both of the above result sets (I hope that query does what I wanted...)
- --Jeremyb (talk) 19:44, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
- I usually use property "educated at" (P69) with qualifier "academic degree" (P512). But when "academic degree" (P512) needs qualifiers that cannot be provided by "educated at" (P69)'s qualifiers, P512 should be used as a main value, not P69's qualifier. For example, if a person loses his/her academic degree, like the case of Li Mei-jhen (Q50092375), P512 needs its own qualifiers "start time" (P580) and "end time" (P582), which are different from P69's qualifiers P580 and P582. I have just added "end time" (P582) and "end cause" (P1534) as allowed qualifiers constraints to "academic degree" (P512). --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:52, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- I updated links above from Blahma because autolist is now both deprecated and broken. I now added a 3rd link here and updated with stats as of now:
- In that case, you'd have to add qualifiers on P184. Just wondering, for both fields, is it of importance who it was? I suppose yes, if it was found later that they didn't actually write it themselves, otherwise? --- Jura 13:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
- Easier, yes, but why not do it my way? Jonathan Groß (talk) 05:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
secondary or primary education
editWhat is property for secondary or primary education degree? --Ans (talk) 08:14, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Ans: Sounds useful to use it for that as well. I've just done that stating Ludwig Burchard (Q1874264)educated at (P69)Bismarck-Gymnasium Karlsruhe (Q130101)
academic degree (P512)Abitur (Q708387). --Marsupium (talk) 03:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Hungarian translation
edit@Bencemac: Nem értek egyet a "tudományos fokozat" fordítással. A "tudományos fokozat" csak posztgraduális végzettségre vonatkozik (PhD), az "academic degree" ennél tágabb, alap- és mesterfokozatra is vonatkozik. -- Tdombos (talk) 09:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Bencemac:: szerkesztési kommentként: "ez elsősorban tudományos fokozat"
- Mit értesz ez alatt? Hogy az "academic degree" elsődleges jelentése tudományos fokozat? Ez nem igaz, ld. en:Academic degree, valamennyi felsőoktatási intézményben szerzett végzettségre utal. Magyar fordítása is inkább felsőfokú végzettség, ld. Hunglish. Vagy hogy a tulajdonságnál most leggyakrabban tudományos fokozatnak számító érték szerepel? Ez lehetséges, de ettől még a tulajdonságot úgy kell elnevezni, hogy minden értékre igaz legyen: többezer olyan elem van az adatbázisban jelenleg, ahol alap- vagy mesterfokú végzettség szerepel értékként, ezekre nem igaz, hogy tudományos fokozatok lennének. Azzal viszont semmi probléma nem lenne, ha a tudományos fokozatnak számító értékek lennének a "felsőfokú végzettség" elnevezésű tulajdonságnál, mivel minden tudományos fokozat felsőfokú végzettség. -- Tdombos (talk) 14:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Teljes kavarodás: a hu:diploma rossz helyre (postgraduate degree (Q23015928)) volt kapcsolva, míg a hu:tudományos fokozatnak nem volt párja. Utóbbi az előbbi helyére való míg az előbbi eleme a Diplom (Q5978719). Bencemac (talk) 13:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Should be named "has academic degree"
editI'm working with some CS master's students on semantic modelling and we are trying to model academic degrees conferred by a university to Wikidata [1]. One of the problems that we see is that there are two "things" called "academic degree": a property (academic degree (P512)) and an item (academic degree (Q189533). We think that it would be better to name this property "has academic degree" (because it is about a degree that a person holds) and are trying to get a new property defined "confers" [2] that puts universities in relation to degrees conferred. We have also found a lot of academic-degree-in-field items, although we feel that the way it is done at Douglas Adams (Q42) is the proper way: Person is educated at place, has academic degree something in academic major something-else. We have also found a lot of academic degree (Q189533) used where academic degree (P512) would be appropriate. Would it be possible to rename this property slightly? --WiseWoman (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- I would also be happy with "holds academic degree", how do we go about renaming this? --WiseWoman (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- It's been a while so this is more precautionary: I don't see a need to rename this. While some properties use such phrasing, they do so where it is need to specify, for example, the direction of a relationship. has written for (P6872) is needed, because there is no better way to express the nature of that relationship. For an academic degree and a person, I don't even needed to tell you what the relation ship is. The same is true for date of birth (P569) and the like, which is why we luckily don't have "was born on". --Karl Oblique (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Honorary degrees
editFor denoting that someone holds an honorary doctorate, I'd like to use e.g. academic degree (P512)Legum Doctor (Q6518699)