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Roman praenomen
standard part of the name of a Roman, link to items for specific Roman praenomen only

Represents	praenomen (Q1240901)
Data type	Item
Allowed values
Example	Marcus Annius Verus (Q745241) → Marcus (Q6757977) Lucius Valerius Flaccus (Q983290) → Lucius (Q6697451) Cicero (Q1541) → Marcus (Q6757977) Julius Caesar (Q1048) → Gaius (Q5517401) Arruns Tarquinius (Q1094373) → Arruns (Q55385579)
See also	Roman nomen gentilicium (P2359), Roman cognomen (P2365), Roman agnomen (P2366), signum (P5438)
Lists	Wikidata:WikiProject Names/lists/Roman praenomen Remove P735 from items with P2358 Wikidata:WikiProject Names/reports/Romans with P2358 Labels of sample items (with languages) Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358 Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P2358 Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 7,984 Main statement 7,978 >99.9% of uses Qualifier 6 <0.1% of uses
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Value type “praenomen (Q1240901)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value praenomen (Q1240901) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Value type Q1240901, SPARQL

Item “instance of (P31): human (Q5), human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568), fictional human formerly considered to be historical (Q64520857), prosopographical phantom (Q64643615), hypothetical person (Q75855169), legendary figure (Q13002315), mythical character (Q4271324), fictional human (Q15632617), human biblical figure (Q20643955), legendary human figure (Q124710051)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31): human (Q5), human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568), fictional human formerly considered to be historical (Q64520857), prosopographical phantom (Q64643615), hypothetical person (Q75855169), legendary figure (Q13002315), mythical character (Q4271324), fictional human (Q15632617), human biblical figure (Q20643955), legendary human figure (Q124710051)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Item P31

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Scope, SPARQL

Conflicts with “given name (P735)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Conflicts with P735, search, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia category (Q4167836), family name (Q101352), male given name (Q12308941), female given name (Q11879590), unisex given name (Q3409032), given name (Q202444), organization (Q43229), periodical (Q1002697), foundation (Q157031), twins (Q14756018), identical twins (Q2301325), double act (Q1141470), sibling (Q31184), musical trio (Q281643), sibling group (Q16979650), biography (Q36279), version, edition or translation (Q3331189), film (Q11424), book (Q571), sibling duo (Q14073567), married couple (Q3046146), group of humans (Q16334295), duo (Q10648343), encyclopedia article (Q13433827)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL

Conflicts with “subclass of (P279)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Conflicts with P279, search, SPARQL

Item “time period (P2348): Roman Republic (Q17167), Roman Empire (Q2277), Roman Kingdom (Q201038), Early Roman Republic (Q2839628), Middle Roman Republic (Q6106068), Late Roman Republic (Q2815472), High Roman Empire (Q787204), Low Roman Empire (Q2886278), Classical Rome (Q6111354), First Roman Kingdom (Q3921629), Second Roman Kingdom (Q119137625), Later Roman Empire (Q120754706)”: Items with this property should also have “time period (P2348): Roman Republic (Q17167), Roman Empire (Q2277), Roman Kingdom (Q201038), Early Roman Republic (Q2839628), Middle Roman Republic (Q6106068), Late Roman Republic (Q2815472), High Roman Empire (Q787204), Low Roman Empire (Q2886278), Classical Rome (Q6111354), First Roman Kingdom (Q3921629), Second Roman Kingdom (Q119137625), Later Roman Empire (Q120754706)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Item P2348

Item “Roman nomen gentilicium (P2359)”: Items with this property should also have “Roman nomen gentilicium (P2359)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Item P2359, search, SPARQL

Item “gens (P5025)”: Items with this property should also have “gens (P5025)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Item P5025, search, SPARQL

Property “short name (P1813)” declared by target items of “Roman praenomen (P2358)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “short name (P1813)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Target required claim P1813, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Entity types

Property “native label (P1705)” declared by target items of “Roman praenomen (P2358)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “native label (P1705)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2358#Target required claim P1705, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Labels in Catalan would generally be different from Latin
output: item with English label, Catalan label, Latin label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?ca ?la { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?la . FILTER( lang(?la) = "la" ) ?item rdfs:label ?ca . FILTER( lang(?ca) = "ca" ) FILTER( str(?ca) = str(?la) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in Catalan would generally be different from Latin

Labels in Italian would generally be different from Latin
output: item with English label, Italian label, Latin label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?it ?la { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?la . FILTER( lang(?la) = "la" ) ?item rdfs:label ?it . FILTER( lang(?it) = "it" ) FILTER( str(?it) = str(?la) && !REGEX(?la, "^[^ ]+a( [^ ]+a)?$" ) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in Italian would generally be different from Latin

Labels in Spanish would generally be different from Latin
output: item with English label, Spanish label, Latin label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?es ?la { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?la . FILTER( lang(?la) = "la" ) ?item rdfs:label ?es . FILTER( lang(?es) = "es" ) FILTER( str(?es) = str(?la) && !REGEX(?la, "^[^ ]+a( [^ ]+a)?$" ) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in Spanish would generally be different from Latin

Labels in Portuguese would generally be different from Latin
output: item with English label, Portuguese label, Latin label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?pt ?la { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?la . FILTER( lang(?la) = "la" ) ?item rdfs:label ?pt . FILTER( lang(?pt) = "pt" ) FILTER( str(?pt) = str(?la) && !REGEX(?la, "^[^ ]+a( [^ ]+a)?$" ) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in Portuguese would generally be different from Latin

Labels in Polish would generally be different from Latin
output: item with English label, Polish label, Latin label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?pl ?la { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?la . FILTER( lang(?la) = "la" ) ?item rdfs:label ?pl . FILTER( lang(?pl) = "pl" ) FILTER( str(?pl) = str(?la) && !REGEX(?la, "^[^ ]+a( [^ ]+a)?$" ) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in Polish would generally be different from Latin

Labels in English would generally be different from Catalan (ca)
output: item with English label, English label, Catalan label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?en ?ca { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?en . FILTER( lang(?en) = "en" ) ?item rdfs:label ?ca . FILTER( lang(?ca) = "ca" ) FILTER( str(?en) = str(?ca) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in English would generally be different from Catalan (ca)

Labels in English would generally be different from Italian (it)
output: item with English label, English label, Italian label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?en ?it { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?en . FILTER( lang(?en) = "en" ) ?item rdfs:label ?it . FILTER( lang(?it) = "it" ) FILTER( str(?en) = str(?it) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in English would generally be different from Italian (it)

Labels in English would generally be different from Spanish (es)
output: item with English label, English label, Spanish label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?en ?es { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?en . FILTER( lang(?en) = "en" ) ?item rdfs:label ?es . FILTER( lang(?es) = "es" ) FILTER( str(?en) = str(?es) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in English would generally be different from Spanish (es)

Labels in English would generally be different from Portuguese (pt)
output: item with English label, English label, Portuguese label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?en ?pt { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?en . FILTER( lang(?en) = "en" ) ?item rdfs:label ?pt . FILTER( lang(?pt) = "pt" ) FILTER( str(?en) = str(?pt) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in English would generally be different from Portuguese (pt)

Labels in English would generally be different from Polish (pl)
output: item with English label, English label, Polish label (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?en ?pl { ?item wdt:P2358 [ ] ; wdt:P31 wd:Q5 . ?item rdfs:label ?en . FILTER( lang(?en) = "en" ) ?item rdfs:label ?pl . FILTER( lang(?pl) = "pl" ) FILTER( str(?en) = str(?pl) ) } LIMIT 1000
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#Labels in English would generally be different from Polish (pl)

name in native language should be label or alias
(Help)
Violations query: SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?nl { hint:Query hint:optimizer "None". ?item wdt:P2358 [] ; wdt:P1559 ?nl . FILTER( lang(?nl) = "la" ) FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item rdfs:label ?nl } FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?item skos:altLabel ?nl } }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P2358#name in native language should be label or alias

Queries

Possibly missing labels/aliases on values

• Items used: Tiberius (Q21485162)   

• Properties used: Roman praenomen (P2358)   

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?l ?n (LANG(?l) as ?lang)
{
	BIND( wd:Q21485162 as ?prae) #sample
    ?item wdt:P2358 ?prae . 
    ?item rdfs:label ?l . 
    BIND(strbefore(?l," ") as ?n)  # can be incorrect or entirely unrelated
    FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?prae rdfs:label ?n }
    FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?prae skos:altLabel ?n }
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}

Try it!

Most frequent possibly missing labels/aliases on values

• Items used: Aulus (Q4821839)   

• Properties used: Roman praenomen (P2358)   

SELECT ?prae ?n (LANG(?n) as ?lang) (COUNT(*) as ?count) (SAMPLE(?item) as ?sample)
{
	BIND( wd:Q4821839 as ?prae) #sample
    ?item wdt:P2358 ?prae . 
    ?item rdfs:label ?l . 
    BIND(strbefore(?l," ") as ?n)  # can be incorrect or entirely unrelated
    FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?prae rdfs:label ?n }
    FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?prae skos:altLabel ?n }
}
GROUP BY ?prae ?n
HAVING( ?count > 5 && ?n != "" )
ORDER BY DESC(?count)

Try it!

Discussions

Widening scope of the property

Hello. Following this discussion on the WikiProject Ancient Rome, it was agreed to expand the scope of Roman praenomen (P2358), Roman nomen gentilicium (P2359) and Roman cognomen (P2365) to encompass others Ancient peoples of Italy (Q108810) of pre-Roman Italian Peninsula (Q145694), who shared similar naming practice. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 08:21, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Issues with "no value" for women and others who did not use praenomina

Previously when one added "no value" when the a person did not use a praenomen there didn't show up a note that said "Entities with statements for Roman praenomen should also have a label at least in Latin language." What is causing this now? StarTrekker (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

@StarTrekker: this is due to the property having a label in language constraint (Q108139345) for Latin and English; it shows on every item having this property but missing any of those two labels, no matter what value they might be using. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 14:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be possible to make it so that the system can understand that "no value" means that there is no need to 'fix' a language label on a non-existing entity?StarTrekker (talk) 11:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed those constraints, I don't think they make any sense, praenomina didn't have to be in Latin. Etruscan and Sabine language names were also used, for example Arruns (Q55385579). Speaking of, why are the properties named "Roman praenomina" and "Roman cognomina" etc when many different pre-Roman peoples used them outside of Romans, couldn't we just call the properties "praenomina" and "cognomina" etc instead?StarTrekker (talk) 11:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Fine with me, it is consistent with the above discussion. Still you might want to ask

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Notified participants of WikiProject Ancient Rome participants. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 11:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

@StarTrekker @Jahl de Vautban the more generic makes sense to me--I vote go for it. Ahc84 (talk) 15:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)