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[css-text-3] Conformant use of text-transform #8279

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fantasai opened this issue Jan 3, 2023 · 6 comments
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[css-text-3] Conformant use of text-transform #8279

fantasai opened this issue Jan 3, 2023 · 6 comments
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fantasai commented Jan 3, 2023 •
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Currently we have the following note:

	Note: The 'text-transform' property only affects the presentation layer;
	correct casing for semantic purposes is expected to be represented
	in the source document.

I seem to have a stray file from 2020 on my disk which instead applies this expectation as conformance criteria:

	Advisement: Authors must not rely on 'text-transform' for semantic purposes;
	rather the correct casing and semantics should be encoded
	in the source document text and markup.

Filing this issue to ask whether we want to change it over or not.
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frivoal commented Jan 6, 2023

I am generally unconvinced of that conformance requirements on authors typically accomplish much (unless placed in a spec to which author conformance is sought and verified, like WCAG), but I am supportive of the idea expressed in this requirement.

I guess that makes me neutral on adopting this change.

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APA feels that the second choice of wording makes it more clear this the author's responsibility. Does changing from a "Note" to an "Advisement" change anything as far as spec language?

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frivoal commented Jan 11, 2023

A note is informative, an advisement is a (highlighted) normative part of the specification. If we want to use the second phrasing, it needs not to be merely an informative note, since it uses a RFC2119 verb ("must not").

So I guess that's what we'll do.

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[css-text-3] Strengthen language about conformant use of text-transform
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As per w3c#8279
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frivoal commented Jan 27, 2023

We just resolved to republish text-3 as a CR, but I think it would be good to fold this in first. This seems good and non controversial, so maybe we can resolve it asynchronously?

Also, this is a requirement on authors, not on implementers, so it would not need tests.

cc: @astearns @atanassov

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astearns commented Feb 2, 2023

Since we have an APA request for promoting the text from Note to Advisement, we should likely make that change.

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Proposed Resolution: Make the authoring advice for text-transform normative

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RESOLVED: Make the authoring advice for text-transform normative

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[css-text-3] Strengthen language about conformant use of text-transform
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As per #8279
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