Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mountains of the Alps

English names of Mountain Hut

Following on from the previous thread, here are a selection of mountain hut articles in the Mont Blanc massif (a mix of French and Italian) which are not currently named in anglicised form, as employed by many English mountaineering/climbing guides, and as we see in Category:Mountain huts in Switzerland I have listed these below with references to each publication, and a page number, plus altitude and ownership. Interestingly I note that the english translation of Dumler's 'High Mountains of the Alps' uses the original country's spelling first, but thereafter refers to it by its anglicised name which we are in agreement we should start to employ here. I note that some articles have already been changed today by ZG today.

• Albert Premier Hut 2702m CAF
• Refuge d'Argentière should be: Argentière Hut 2771 m CAF
• Refuge de Leschaux should be: Leschaux Hut 2431 m CAF
• Refuge de Tête Rousse should be: Tête Rousse Hut 3167 m CAF
• Refuge des Cosmiques should be: Cosmiques Hut 3613 m
• Refuge du Couvercle should be: Couvercle Hut 2687 m CAF
• Refuge Durier should be: Durier Hut 3367 m
• Refuge Vallot should be: Vallot Hut 4362 m CAF
• Refuge Quintino Sella (Mont-Blanc) should be: Quintino Sella Hut (Mont-Blanc) 3396 m
• Refuge Torino should be: 3375m CAI
• Saleina Hut
• Refuge des Grands Mulets should be: Grands Mulet Hut 3051 m CAF
• Refuge Francesco Gonella should be: Gonella Hut 3071 m CAI
• Trient Hut 3170m CAS

Portal:Alps

Proposal to delete all portals

The discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to delete Portal space. Voceditenore (talk) 08:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion now archived at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 162#Proposal to delete Portal space. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Some great new articles

@Huddsblue: I notice you've made some great contributions by creating a number of new pages about alpine peaks. Fantastic stuff! It would be great if you would consider joining us by adding your name to our WikiProject and perhaps watching this page. New participants are always needed and are very welcome! Please add any suggestions you might have for further alps-related articles to our list of Requested Articles. Sadly, our sister project, (Wikipedia:WikiProject British and Irish hills) seems currently inactive, and maybe an injection of new editors there could be helpful, too. I'm hoping to add a 'Hot Article' feed to all three Mountain projects shortly. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

(PS - As a complete aside, I notice that a while back you created a page about Wilton Park, Batley. Many years ago I used to walk through that park each day on my way to work at Bagshaw Museum! Cheers, Nick.)

@Nick Moyes:

Hi Nick and thanks for the compliments and the invitation! I'm mainly using these lists as my guide:

• List of mountains of the Alps above 3000 m
• List of mountains of the Alps (2500–2999 m)
• List of mountains of the Alps (2000–2499 m)

Used the lists of Munros, Corbetts and Grahams respectively for the Scottish mountain articles. Not a member of any groups at the moment (although I was briefly in the Alpine group) as I find the best way of filling in any gaps on here is to do it myself rather than waiting for somebody else to do it, and so many of them seem to quickly fall by the wayside due to large amount of effort and commitment to keep them going. I'm not ruling out joining at some point either ;-)

I also live just down t'road from Batley as my username suggests lol, and I intend to go back to writing about parks at some point.

Kind regards and best wishes, Danny Huddsblue (talk) 08:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Huddsblue: Great stuff. I used to chuckle each time I went past Mr Box the undertaker near Batley! Still rather miss the Husdersfield landscapes, too. If you could bring yourself to add your name to either project, that'd be fantastic. Even having some new but relatively passive supporters helps to show the groups are still current and working. If you do watch the pages, youre unlikely to be swamped by updates! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:13, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Members' library of resources

I have added a new section to our Project main page, listing the various alpine-related books we hold between us.

It still need a bit of sorting, but please add any resources you are willing to access on behalf of other editors wanting to check references. (But for copyright reasons, please don't copy/paste quotes from these works on-wiki. Consider sending sample text by direct email.) Nick Moyes (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Lists of prominent mountains of the Alps

Just a 'heads up' to inform everyone that I have renamed three related 'List' articles whose titles I have long felt they unfortunately somewhat misleading way. These are:

• List of mountains of the Alps above 3000 m is now --> List of prominent mountains of the Alps above 3000 m
• List of mountains of the Alps (2500–2999 m) is now --> List of prominent mountains of the Alps (2500–2999 m)
• List of mountains of the Alps (2000–2499 m) is now --> List of prominent mountains of the Alps (2000–2499 m)

I keep finding the pages wikilinked as if they were the definitive list of all the mountains in that height range, and not just those with a huge prominence of 300 metres or more. Magnificent and major 'standalone' mountains like the Täschhorn are not unreasonably excluded if the list is clearly only of 'Prominent' mountains, but would have been a serious omission if, as the titles suggested, these were simply lists of mountains above a certain height.

I was finally prompted to make the change after seeing this version of the Dent Blanche article, wherein the lead says it is one of the highest peaks in the Alps, but only tells us via a footnote that, considering prominence, it is the seventh highest. It tells us nothing further, nor that it is actually the 16th highest mountain summit on the UIAA list, as shown at List of 4000 metre peaks of the Alps.

I'm happy to discuss the concerns if anyone feels this was the wrong way to go about resolving the confusion caused by this accidental mistitling. Regards to all, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Help Sought: Stub Article Assessments

 Done If anyone is willing, I would really welcome some help clearing the backlog of 1,500+ 900+ STUB articles which currently have no Alps project assessment for 'Importance'. (Click the hyperlinked number in the relevant box in the table below, or click here for a list.)

Mountains of the Alps articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
GA	1	1					2
B	7	3	3	1			14
C	12	24	26	41		2	105
Start	5	82	231	393		2	713
Stub		22	213	2,010		2	2,247
List		1	4			1	6
Category					50		50
File					6		6
Portal					2		2
Project					2		2
Template					5		5
NA	1			3	5		9
Assessed	26	133	477	2,448	70	7	3,161
Total	26	133	477	2,448	70	7	3,161
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 17,513			Ω = 5.68

So far, I've added "alps-importance=" assessments to over 200 Start class articles, and a checked a further 800 Stub-class Alps articles, beginning with letters A to K N.

The quickest way to rate article quality and importance is by installing and using WP:RATER. But this can also be done manually by the adding a value (low, mid, high) to "alp-importance=" on the article's talk page. This is liable to be higher on occasions than the overall grading given by WkiProject Mountains. Thus for Besso (mountain) we now have: {{WikiProject Mountains|class=Start|importance=Low|alps=yes|alps-importance=mid}}

Pinging @Pampuco, Ericoides, and Zacharie Grossen: as the three most active editors currently here, and thanks for anything you aor anyone else can help clear. (Maybe pick one letter and work through articles starting with it? To force the table to update click here up until 15 October 2020. A new tool will then replace it (here) Nick Moyes (talk) 13:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, thank you for getting in touch. I'm happy to help with translating those with an article on German Wikipedia, but won't be able to proceed too rapidly as I'm busy studying and writing outside of normal work. But I guess every little helps. Bermicourt (talk) 10:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Alphubel done. Bermicourt (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Bermicourt. I keep saying I must upgrade some of the 4000mers (I improved the Dom the other day because some daft IP was trying to make out the normal route was far more difficult than it really is. So there's now a bit about accessing the Dom via the Taschhorn that I need to add to the Tasch article. As you say, every little helps and new editor Pampuco has been doing some brilliant work recently, creating a suite of new articles. Hope your work and studies go OK. (I've retired now, but never seem to have enough time!) Nick Moyes (talk) 16:21, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion @Nick Moyes:, I'd hope doing somethinng in the next weeks. See you, --Pampuco (talk) 19:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done This task is now complete. What's need next is to focus either on improving some of the 'High' important 'Stub' articles, or to bring some of the 'B' grade articles up to an even higher standard, including the two 'GA' pages. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Hi, What are the notability criteria for mountains, passes, huts, etc.? Yann (talk) 12:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Monte Mars listed at Requested moves

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Requested move at Talk:Monte Mars#Requested move 5 June 2024

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