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Category:Birds of (African countries)

Isee back in 2016 someone deleted Categories: Birds of...(African countries)but just for the African countries, nowhere else. Long term project is to try to restore them in some fashion....Pvmoutside (talk) 11:06, 17 July 2023

Tanagra violacea -> Violaceous euphonia?

I came across a mention of Tanagra violacea in one of Gerald Durrell's books. There's no current article, and as far as I can tell it's because of the reclassification of some tanagers as euphonias. I was going to create a redirect to Violaceous euphonia, which is what I think the correct name is, but I can't find a source that supports that. I figured this would be the right place to ask -- would that be a valid redirect? (talk - contribs - library) 09:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Mike Christie, it's listed as an (unreferenced) synonym in the species box, so I have no doubt that a redirect is appropriate Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks -- I went ahead and created it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Avibase has Tanagra violacea rodwayi as a protonym of Euphonia violacea rodwayi (also as junior synonym in synonym list). It's not listed for Euphonia violacea for some reason, but it does support Violaceous euphonia as the best target for the redirect.  —  Jts1882 | talk  11:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Heads-up - AI websites warning

Just seen this posted on twitter by Alex Lees (Chair, BOURC); a warning about a couple of AI websites full of grotesque misinformation. Looks like the websites "aviandiscovery dot com" and "animalinformation dot com" should be added to any blacklist we have of unreliable sources. FYI, Chestnut-winged Hookbill is a South American Furnariid, and not a southeast Asian parrot, as claimed by these websites! I guess none of the regular contributors would be fooled, but we'll need to watch out for edits by less experienced editors. Unfortunately this sort of thing is only going to get worse with time - MPF (talk) 17:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 taxonomy update

I got some mail regarding updates to the eBird/Clements checklist. Information here. For those folks who are not subscribed to Birds of the World the site is going to be open-access for a brief window from 14 to 18 November starting at noon Eastern Time. Information on that (along with a webinar) here. Should be useful for those editors who don't currently have access to the site. Reconrabbit 17:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

It's gone completely worthless since Cornell took over Lynx HBW. Try entering Grey Heron or Black-necked Grebe in the search box . . . those species don't exist any more, it seems - MPF (talk) 21:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

The entries are "Gray Heron" (the American spelling) and "Eared Grebe" (alternative common name), respectively. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

In other words, complete cultural erasure of the original English in favour of enforcing American imperialism in names and spelling: totally unacceptable! If it were wikipedia, they would fall spectacularly foul of both mos:ties and mos:retain . . . and no, I am not ever going to mis-spell Grey, etc., just to suit their imperialist agenda - MPF (talk) 21:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

New citation template: Cite NatureServe

A template for citing NatureServe Explorer has been created. Template:Cite NatureServe. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 23:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Merge?

We have a page Butorides for the genus of 3 species Green Heron, Striated Heron, Lava Heron, per IOC taxonomy. These three species are lumped by some authorities under the name Green-backed Heron, treating Butorides as monospecific; we have a page Green-backed heron for that, too. This of course covers exactly the same taxa as the Butorides page. Should the two be merged? My preference is for yes, at the Butorides page, and make 'Green-backed heron' a redirect to that. - MPF (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Do we have two articles covering the same material or an article and a disambiguation page? The separate disambiguation page would not be needed if the genus article was rewritten to explain the history prominently, but I don't think a redirect is suitable as the genus page now stands.  —  Jts1882 | talk  12:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jts1882 - there's a lot of duplication, but also some bits that would need to be transferred across in a merge. It shouldn't be too difficult, though. - MPF (talk) 23:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I think merge Green-backed heron into Butorides. I see no reason not to. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jts1882, Jens Lallensack, and anyone else - shall I just go ahead, or does it need to be announced on the two talk pages? I'm a bit out-of-touch with current policies on this sort of thing after a long wikibreak - MPF (talk) 20:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Only thing is, shouldn't Green-backed Heron be the article name if that's the common name for the species, and Butorides redirect there (opposite of what Jens said)? FunkMonk (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. For unambiguity we should use the scientific name. Green-backed Heron can be used for different concepts. Butorides is unambiguous. But I support the merge with appropriate changes.  —  Jts1882 | talk  20:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I think that "Green-backed Heron" was the common name of a species. We should be careful to simply apply this name to the genus now, unless it is widely used as the common name, but I don't think it is. So Butorides should be fine. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for American robin

American robin has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 11:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

White-tailed Tityra

On Tityra, should White-tailed Tityra (Tityra leucura) be listed as a full species? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is now accepted by IOC 14.2 as a valid species - MPF (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I've added it to the genus page, but not created the new page for the species - MPF (talk) 23:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)