Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sudbury Augustinian Priory

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sudbury Augustinian Priory

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Article has little content and no ref. Although some sources exist, they appear to be spurious (see article talk page) Alansplodge (talk) 21:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alansplodge, I think your detailed explanation from the article talk page should be included here.

"At Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Sudbury Augustinian Priory?, a thorough search of available sources drew the following conclusions:

1. That the idea of an Augustinian priory at Sudbury seems to have originated in Antient funeral monuments, of Great-Britain, Ireland, and the islands adjacent (1767) by John Weever. He quotes John Speed as his source, but Speed doesn't mention Augustinians. An Augustinian priory is also mentioned by White's Description of Sudbury 1841 quoting Weever.

2. Neither The Victoria History of the County of Suffolk nor A short history of the borough of Sudbury mention Augustinians, despite referencing copious medieval source documents.

3. A sole English Heritage page does say "Augustine Priory (site of), Friars Street (Dominican Friary) (Med)". The remains in Friar Street are Dominican as English Heritage confirm at PRIORY GATE, Sudbury and 62a-64 Friars Street, Sudbury. These are covered in our Sudbury Priory article which I recently created (but which might be better titled, but that seems to be the commonly used name for it).

4. Sudbury Benedictine Priory seems not to be associated with the Augustinians in any way." TSventon (talk) 18:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Alansplodge (talk) 21:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Alansplodge (talk) 21:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A Google search only returned Wikipedia mirrors. No sources exist for a search of "Sudbury Augustinian Priory", and a search for "Sudbury Priory" only returned information regarding Sudbury Priory, which is a Dominican priory as opposed to this Augustinian one. The author, who was blocked way back in 2010 for sockpuppetry, seemed to be running a bot program or something, as their talk page suggests they created hundreds or thousands of these unsourced stubs. Perhaps this was just a scribal error, and the author actually meant to create the article on the Dominican priory. Curbon7 (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if Alan tried to rescue this, and failed, then it’s spurious. Delete. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 23:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I followed a different strategy in trying to work out whether there was an Augustinian priory at Sudbury, by looking at other religious institutions in Sudbury. In particular, there seems to have been one, and quite possibly two, religious hospitals in Sudbury. One of these appears contemporary with Archbishop Simon Sudbury, who is on record as having intervened in the affairs of the Austin (Augustinian) friars in London. However, there's no evidence that any Sudbury hospital was explicitly linked with the Augustinians, so I think we have to say that this is also a dead-end. With this in mind, I think we're better to delete this article. If better references can be found in the future, it can always be re-created. RomanSpa (talk) 23:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This should perhaps be kept as a reminder of a time when Wikipedia articles could include only one sentence of content and no references. TSventon (talk) 00:41, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with thanks to Alansplodge for careful work in disentangling a group of sources that all trace back to a single source, whose author probably made an error. @TSventon:, I would create an article Short unreferenced articles consisting of the (unreferenced) sentence, Short unreferenced articles consist of only one sentence, and were once popular within Wikipedia., but I don't want to get banned. Elemimele (talk) 08:27, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I deprodded this because what I saw on a quick google indicated that more than a cursory examination was required to determine whether this place existed and if so whether it was notable. It seems that although there was no Augustinian priory at Sudbury, the Dominican priory has been incorrectly referred to as such and Clare Priory (which is an Augustinian institution) imprecisely called this. Given that I wondering whether there is cause for a Sudbury Priory disambiguation) page that notes this and links to Clare Priory, Sudbury Priory and Sudbury Benedictine Priory. If so this title should redirect there. Thryduulf (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thryduulf Sudbury Priory (disambiguation) could also include Sudbury Priory, birthplace of the writer Flora Annie Steel. (An article could read: Sudbury Priory was a house in London, England.) TSventon (talk) 23:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thryduulf and TSventon, disambiguation page now done - feel free to edit. Alansplodge (talk) 19:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, No sign of notability. Alex-h (talk) 10:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As others have said, a relic, and a dubious one at that. RobinCarmody (talk) 22:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.