Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southtyroleans

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The result was merge to South Tyrol#Demographics. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Southtyroleans

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Poorly translated anti-Italian propaganda piece with terrible sourcing. I can't find much evidence that the article title is used in English, so it doesn't appear like a useful potential redirect. —Kusma (talk) 16:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Europe and Italy. —Kusma (talk) 16:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that (re-)draftification doesn't really seem like an option as the author already has two more drafts on this topic: Draft:South Tyroleans and Draft:Südtiroler. —Kusma (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I agree the translation is poor and the tone is not neutral, but I suspect that the Sidtiroula may well be a "thing" i.e. an ethnic or nationalist group that are sufficiently notable to be mentioned either as a separate article or a section in one of several existing articles - see Category:South Tyrolean nationalism. What the editor needs is help in creating that in a neutral way that reads properly in English. As to the title, if there isn't a suitable English term such as South Tyrolese then we just use the native name and explain it. Some of his sources appear WP:RS e.g. Die Welt is a respectable German national newspaper. Bermicourt (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Have a look at my analysis of his sources on the talk page - the Welt article does not support his contentions. Surely there might be South Tyrolean identity and nationalism, but it is not based on the premise of a South Tyrolean "language" as the author supports, and I've seen no evidence that "Sitiroula" is a term used any differently than the German "Suedtiroler". Maybe South Tyroleans exclude Italians when they refer to them that way, but the same would be true in German.--Ermenrich (talk) 17:46, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Welt article is at best anecdotal evidence for the claim, not a usable source. Other articles are more opinion pieces than factual reporting, essentially unusable for a contentious topic like national identity. —Kusma (talk) 18:14, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to South Tyrol#Demographics. "South Tyroleans" (the correct spelling which already has a redirect) is the common demonym for the region, but to construe an "ethnicity" out of a regional population requires reliable sources that actually talk about a distinct "South Tyrolean" ethnic group, and not just the personal opinion of an editor on a campaign in various WP projects ([1], [2]). –Austronesier (talk) 17:54, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to South Tyrol#Demographics, per Austronesier. There's nothing in that article that can be saved.--Ermenrich (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to South Tyrol#Demographics, per Austronesier. Don't see any other option.--Pfold (talk) 18:30, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to South Tyrol#Demographics. I agree with the redirects above, but a very condensed version of this article should be merged. // Timothy :: talk 11:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.