Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Socialist Party of Kansas

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The result was keep , but this does not preclude an eventual merger if deemed helpful to the reader. Star Mississippi 14:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Socialist Party of Kansas

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Non-notable state branch of a notable federal party, the Socialist Party USA. Any useful information can easily be merged there. Toa Nidhiki05 18:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, and Kansas. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I searched and added some sources, I think the combination of the NYT article and the writing about V Smith combined to be significant coverage and are independent of the source, therefore meeting WP:NONPROFIT criteria 2, but I'm not sure it is "significant" so I'm caveating "weak". CT55555 (talk) 05:57, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will point out that the NYT piece does not once mention Kansas or the Socialist Party of Kansas; it's referring exclusively to the federal party, which is undeniably notable. CT55555. Toa Nidhiki05 12:32, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing that out, I was running on an assumption as the text is too small to see. Consider my contribution as a very weak keep then, because I'm also influenced in the other direction by Goldsztajn's comments below. CT55555 (talk) 12:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An effective WP:BEFORE shows quite quickly that the SPA had elected state assembly members and a state senator, as well as the mayoralties of multiple Kansas towns prior to WW1. Article should include that history, but current content is not a reflection of notability. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Electing officials are nice, but not evidence of independent notability from the clearly notable federal party. Toa Nidhiki05 12:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For a political party, electing notable officials is like the easiest way to determine notability, as there is guaranteed to be inherent coverage. Curbon7 (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If there is actual coverage rather than assumed coverage, I'd be glad to see it. Toa Nidhiki05 23:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Goldsztain. Please save us the trouble next time and search for sources before nominating.--User:Namiba 13:44, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You first, because you haven't given any. Toa Nidhiki05 23:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The presumed notability of NPOL is a perfectly reasonable principle to apply here given the evidence presented of a swag of elected representatives at the state level. The onus shifts to those seeking delete why that presumption doesn't apply or why the hundreds of historical newspaper reports about the party, which a simple BEFORE reveals, do not qualify for a pass of WP:NONPROFIT. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 02:47, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again - if notability is so clear here, find some sources. Toa Nidhiki05 04:17, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an extensive description of the Party and its Kansas-related archive at the Kansas Historical Society. "As socialists increased in size and vocality most newspapers in the county including the Times started campaigns denouncing the party as a threat to home and church." An "Army of Amazons": The Language of Protest in a Kansas Mining Community, 1921-22 p.693 There's multiple references to the Party in Kansas in James Green's (1978) "Grass-Roots Socialism Radical Movements in the Southwest, 1895–1943". These took me 10 minutes to find. There's also the already mentioned numerous sources available via newspapers.com. The most simple searching reveals extensive evidence of the Party's presence and actions in early 20th Century Kansas; there's no shortage of reliable sourcing available for anyone who wishes to write an article. It's not unreasonable to expect a nominator to carry out simple searching using the tools widely available to all. If you're not already a member of the WP:WIKILIB, I'd highly recommend it, if you are, perhaps make more use of it. :) Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 22:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Rename Regardless of whether or not this article gets deleted, it should be listed on the Socialist Party USA list. Having looked at the two articles for the former state parties of California and Maine, I think we could find enough to pad this out a little more, but I agree that the notability of the article is questionable. This party/chapter is not active and it is not listed on the Socialist Party USA's official website. This element of Kansas history is important in that it existed at all. However, if this article is actual meant to be about the chapter founded in 2008 under the SPUSA, I'm not sure that information about socialism is actually relevant. I would much rather see this information merged to a Socialism in Kansas type page. IronRose26 (talk) 14:27, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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