Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Preslaysa Williams (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. This boils down to whether the sources meet our standards for reliable sourcing. There are split views below and not enough participation to see one 'side' reach a consensus on this issue over the other viewpoint. Daniel (talk) 02:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Preslaysa Williams

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Articles for deletion/Preslaysa Edwards

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO and WP:NACTOR. Of all the twelve sources, only the Columbia College school paper mentions more than one piece of information about her; all the other sources are nothing more than single mentions of this person. No source seems to exist that gives an overall biography or other similar information, as needed for WP:NBIO.

Sourcing to qualify for WP:NACTOR does not seem to have changed/increased since the last deletion discussion for this article/individual (2020-11-26): WP:Articles for deletion/Preslaysa Edwards ---Avatar317 ^(talk) 05:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Authors, Journalism, and New Jersey. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom's arguments. Kazamzam (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She qualifies under WP:AUTHOR, hence the new content that prompted me to resurrect the article. The OP here is ignoring the prominent book reviews she has received, which are sourced in the new article. natemup (talk) 18:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. She isn't just an actor, as the page clearly notes. Meet notability guidelines for being a notable author. natemup (talk) 01:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your WP:COI in having close relations to her should be noted in this discussion. ---Avatar317 ^(talk) 22:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you've noted it. We have collaborated online and met once in real life. natemup (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You also didn't address what I said here. It invalidates your deletion request. natemup (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming that you think she qualifies under number 3 of "Creative professionals". I think that is really a stretch: "..a significant or well-known work.." I guess it depends on what defines a work as being "well-known." ---Avatar317 ^(talk) 01:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I found two reviews of her work in Publishers Weekly (link 1 and 2), one review in Kirkus (it's not a paid review so it's valid for notability), two reviews in Library Journal (link 1 and 2), and additional reviews in Booklist and AudioFile Magazine that can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library. In addition, Booklist selected one of her novels for their Editors' Choice 2021 of the best books of the year. I agree that Williams didn't meet notability guidelines for an actor when the previous AfD was decided in 2020. However, since then she has released two well-reviewed books through HarperCollins, so per WP:Author she now meets notability guidelines.--SouthernNights (talk) 15:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To review SouthernNights' sources and argument as proposed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Publisher's Weekly ones are synopsis articles, they don't really review the books, Kirkus is about the same. I can't find the other two (Booklist, AudioFile Magazine)... It's still a !delete for me. Oaktree b (talk) 19:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those are standard reviews in Publishers Weekly and Kirkus. You can find the others in Wikipedia Library. SouthernNights (talk) 17:25, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. natemup (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm really trying to find things in RS. This interview in Writer's Digest [1] and the tiniest of mentions on NPR [2] are about all I can find. Still not seeing AUTHOR notability. Probably TOOSOON, her books only came out in 2021 and 2022. Not much chance to gain critical attention in two years I suppose. This book mentions her in passing [3]. Oaktree b (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are several reliable sources already cited. Not sure what you're talking about. natemup (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not meeting notability under actors or writers/authors. Sourcing is scant. Books have not gained much critical notice. Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 09:57, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.