Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meletios Kalamaras

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 02:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meletios Kalamaras

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The article has been edited almost entirely by one user that seems to have a very close connection with the subject. There is a notability issue that cannot justify this article. Chiserc (talk) 14:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Meletios Kalamaras was a notable eastern orthodox bishop for 32 years.

32 years full of works, writings, publications, international symposia, involvement in the Orthodox Church and its cooperation with other Christian Churches.

He is already dead (11 years ago) and there is no need for advertisment for him any more. The article was created 10 years after his death.

He was well known to the Christian world and his work has been recognised.

An American scholar (Stephen Lloyd-Moffett) has written a book about Meletios Kalamaras' work as a bishop, published in the USA, not in Greece.

I, therefore, cannot see why there is a notability issue for this article.

Let's hear and other views.

Actia Nicopolis (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep bishops of the Greek Orthodox Church are notable. Needs editing to remove reverential prose. Mccapra (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Christianity, and Greece. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but there needs to be significant changes. I've begun deleting the WP:PUFFERY and other POV content, but it'll likely require a significant amount of revision by multiple editors. Subject passes GNG, and metropolitans in the Greek Orthodox Church are generally considered notable according to WikiProject Christianity non-policy standards. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I totally agree that it needs a complete editing, writing again the page almost from scratch. The notability may not be an issue, indeed. However, it may be edited again and the lack of WP:Neutral point of view might be an issue finally. Chiserc (talk) 19:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To that end I already warned Actia Nicopolis regarding NPOV policy. As someone of a similar faith who holds similar people in high esteem, I can see how this was a good-faith effort that went extremely awry. If the problems persist, I think we can talk about draftifying or some other remedy (should this AfD fail). ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:11, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has significant coverage in reliable book sources. Normal editing removing some of the npov issues have begun, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a metropolitan bishop, he is certainly notable. The Greek WP has an article at least of similar length. The reason for the articel being largely by a single editor may well be because he has translated the Greek article. If there is too much puff in the article, the solution is to edit it out, not to delete. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He's a bishop of a recognised church and ergo clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.