Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makoto (Street Fighter)

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The result was speedy keep - the nominator User:Phrasia and his sock puppet User:WisdomToothless are the only objectors. See sock report here Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phrasia - (non-admin closure) Off2riorob (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Makoto (Street Fighter)

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Unnoticeable video game character. Nothing unique. Barely popular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phrasia (talk • contribs) 23:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Close - Point nomination by an editor who doesn't understand the rules of how Wikipedia works. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Close = Again, a point nomination. This is "revenge" for not having an article for not having Elena (Street Fighter) as a true article. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 23:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 23:52, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close; Not even addressing the obvious biased here, Makoto has many reliable references asserting her notability. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Can you please explain these notable features?What makes Makoto so special? REDIR to Street Fighter characters please. ♥Phrasia (talk) 04:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The character has been covered in GameZone, IGN, Retronauts, GamesRadar, Hardcoregamer, Bitmob, MTV, Eurogamer, GameSpot, GameTrailers, G4TV, Gamasutra, GamePro, and UGO Networks, all sources identified as reliable sources. An article's creation is based on both the necessity for an article - demonstrated in the size of sourced content in the Makoto article - and on coverage in reliable sources. Makoto succeeds in both respects. Please read WP:N and WP:V. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 04:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and Redirect'- Fan favourite isn't good enough. Hasn't been in any side stories, anime, movies, cartoons. Hasn't been in any crossover games. It's a well written article, but there is a bunch of repeated jargon which talks about her moves. Nice article, but I just see favouritism here. WisdomToothless (talk) 05:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I, as the creator of the article, have never played a single video game ever made that features Makoto, and the only Street Fighter game that I've ever owned is Street Fighter II for the Game Boy. This article is written from the perspective of someone who pretty much knows nothing about the character in terms of gameplay, and the discussion of her techniques delves far outside simply listing attacks and discussing how they came up with them. Additionally, I must remind everyone that the character's importance in the series has nothing to do with notability. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- You should really think before you type. Importance is all about being notable. The definition of notable, is popular. Well known. If you are well known, you are important. I created the Elena article. It wasn't accepted because she wasn't important to the series. I don't think it's fair that Makoto should be spotlighted for now. ♥Phrasia (talk) 05:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or popularity—although those may enhance the acceptability of a subject that meets the guidelines explained below." Elena was sourced with one Wikia entry (not reliable source), one YouTube video (not reliable source), and Capcom (self-published source). Not one sourced utilized in the article asserted notability. I must point out that you are comparing two articles together, and I must ask why you consider them to be similar in notability. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close The nomination highlights no actionable reasons for deletion, notability on WP refers to the notability guideline, not anyone's perception of how well-known a subject is. Someone another 17:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep and possibly close Aw, c'mon, just look at that nice plump reception section. She's totally notable. Harry Blue5 (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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