Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of massacres of Bosniaks

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. It looks like the most productive way to resolve this is a discussion on the article talk page, not an AfD. No prejudice against renomination once the basics of the arguments have been worked out. asilvering (talk) 20:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of massacres of Bosniaks

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For the most part, we don't list these based on ethnic affiliation. Essentially this is just copied from already existing articles: List of mass executions and massacres in Yugoslavia during World War II and List of massacres in the Bosnian War. Griboski (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, History, Military, Lists, and Bosnia and Herzegovina. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As a regular user (directed from https://weekly.hatnote.com/archive/en/20240913/weeklypedia_20240913.html ), the article subjectively seems interesting & valuable to me). Aristotles (talk) 22:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. What do you mean we don’t list these based on ethnic affiliation for the most part? List of massacres of Turkish people? List of massacres of Armenians? List of massacres of Azerbaijanis?

As for your second point, I mean you could argue any duplicate / identical information across articles is copied? This list focuses solely on Bosniaks, so I believe it deserves its own article, as did the curation page. Nevertheless, that does not warrant for deletion an article that cites 25 RS Aliy Dawut (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet there's no list for Albanians, Croats, Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Russians, Ukrainians, and so on. My view is that we shouldn't be going down that road when most of them are already listed by conflict or country. --Griboski (talk) 20:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok… I understand your personal view on the matter but again I don’t think that is enough to justify deleting an article that cites multiple RS and passed Wikipedia curation standards fairly quickly. Why not try and address concerns on the talk page instead of immediately attempting to delete an entire article? Aliy Dawut (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose the request. The fact that the theme is present in other articles doesn't warrant the deletion of an article. OP also called for deletion of Genocide of Bosniaks in World War II. Well... As an other user suggested, one could simply discuss this in the talk page instead of hastily attempting to delete it. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete All articles on the line of List of massacres of X should be deleted. — Sadko (words are wind) 00:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree, we know this statement will not lead to the deletion of X articles. Maintaining my argument. AlexBachmann (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. That logic seems rather flawed, no offense to the above user. Aliy Dawut (talk) 01:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Most of these are not notable. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 09:32, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean “not notable”? And why is that reason to delete an article that cites multiple RS? Aliy Dawut (talk) 08:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these are not notable Excuse me? AlexBachmann (talk) 22:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have some questions: probably for Aliy Dawut 1) there are items here that are not on either of the lists covering Yugoslavia and the Bosnian War. Should they be added to those lists? (I note that in some cases the lists have used different names, so it's hard to tell what is and isn't missing, if anything.) 2) What does this list provide that the others do not? It looks to me like this is a chosen subset of those - why is this subset needed? Lamona (talk) 02:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) Well, one of the main reasons I created this page was because I felt that the existing articles such as List of massacres in the Bosnian War and List of massacres in the Croatian War of Independence etc did not extensively cover the full scale and list of massacres and atrocities, mainly against Bosniaks, that they can and should. I feel that this article adds a greater degree of detail and context to that. 2) See my previous answer, and not only quality and detail, but in terms of sheer quantity as well Aliy Dawut (talk) 02:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could this be satisfied by edits to those lists? Lamona (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean possibly, but why do that when we could just leave this already existing much more detailed and complete list up and running? Aliy Dawut (talk) 19:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the point of this AfD is about redundancy: "For the most part, we don't list these based on ethnic affiliation. Essentially this is just copied from already existing articles". So it seems like a "keep" !vote needs to respond to to that. Lamona (talk) 03:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have already been several responses to that, which was the original AFD request. Again, there are several other ethnic group related massacre articles already present and established, and although there is some material which is the same as other articles for obvious reasons, there is still much new and unique content listed here. Moreover, as I and another user pointed out, this concern doesn’t seem to warrant the immediate deletion of an entire article that cites a multitude of RS. Why not address the concerns on the talk page first instead of going right for a deletion attempt? Aliy Dawut (talk) 03:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It is not clear that there is any policy-based reason for deletion being advanced here; "we don't do X" is not such a reason. Editors should try to identify such a reason if there is one.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I have not much else to add besides what I and others on the oppose side have already definitively stated. Please see my above points for opposing and feel free to ask me any further questions Aliy Dawut (talk) 11:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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