Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LeRoy Gardner III
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. The Nordic Goddess Kristen Worship her 17:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- LeRoy Gardner III (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Non-notable amateur sportsman, not a record holder, no coverage beyond rankings. No reliable source covers him individually, just as part of a team or in ranking. Tried prod but article author removed without explanation or major editing. Cerejota (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notability derived from records at United States National Wrestling Hall of Fame, Stillwater, OK. referenced in article proposed for deletion. [1] Substantiated notability derived from individual accomplishments referenced in article, from NCAA records at NCAA degree granting institution. [2] Prod removed when editing highlighted record holding status as first National Champion at weight category from specifically referenced NCAA institution. References #'s
9 and 10, 10 and 11 within article proposed for deletion are attributed to nationally distributed news media, recognizing individual accomplishments specifically.
suzzyuz (talk) 17:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "wrestlinghalloffame.org" link is a machine-generated database search for rankings, anyone who ranked has information in there: no claim of notability. Ref #9 is a primary source from the college website (go-knights.net), a primary source. and Ref #10 is NCAA News, also a primary source. I see no "nationally distributed news media" secondary sources specifically verifying notability. All of the sources used are either short notes among a sea of reports, or rankings. None are singly concentrated on LeRoy Gardner or discuss him at length. --Cerejota (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "wrestlinghalloffame.org" link is the codified results of all Unites States National Governing Body amateur wrestling championships, the only records contained therein are records, not rankings of National Championship winning athletes and/or coaches. Additional references (numeration was changed due to editing per Cerejota's input), including NCAA News "http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=135" are of national distribution through the governing body of all collegiate level athletics in the United States of America which is the National Collegiate Wrestling Athletic Association, whose article specifically references only him and accomplishments therein; Wrestling USA Magazine "http://www.wrestlingusa.com/" is of national distribution covering amateur wrestling within the United States of America. All of the results indicated and referenced are specific championships or placings earned, none are of "rankings". ---suzzyuz (talk) 11:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- None of the sources, including Wrestling USA Magazine (the only thing approaching reliable source in the references), reference LeRoy specifically as singly notable: giving the results of a match is not notability. Just because your picture is in the media doesn't mean you ar enotable enough for a wikipedia article. Again, the "wrestling hall of fame" link is not even an article, it is a machine generated search of a database. These are not reliable secondary sources. There is no sourcing that claims notability. Since this is an amateur sportsman, I see no reasons why we should keep. --Cerejota (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "wrestlinghalloffame.org" link is the codified results of all Unites States National Governing Body amateur wrestling championships, the only records contained therein are records, not rankings of National Championship winning athletes and/or coaches. Additional references (numeration was changed due to editing per Cerejota's input), including NCAA News "http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=135" are of national distribution through the governing body of all collegiate level athletics in the United States of America which is the National Collegiate Wrestling Athletic Association, whose article specifically references only him and accomplishments therein; Wrestling USA Magazine "http://www.wrestlingusa.com/" is of national distribution covering amateur wrestling within the United States of America. All of the results indicated and referenced are specific championships or placings earned, none are of "rankings". ---suzzyuz (talk) 11:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "wrestlinghalloffame.org" link is a machine-generated database search for rankings, anyone who ranked has information in there: no claim of notability. Ref #9 is a primary source from the college website (go-knights.net), a primary source. and Ref #10 is NCAA News, also a primary source. I see no "nationally distributed news media" secondary sources specifically verifying notability. All of the sources used are either short notes among a sea of reports, or rankings. None are singly concentrated on LeRoy Gardner or discuss him at length. --Cerejota (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per suzzyuz.--Iamawesome800 20:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:30, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Extremely weak keep, but oh my gosh please rewrite it. Timneu22 (talk) 03:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep per Timneu22. Bearian (talk) 23:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC) I cleaned it up a bit. He appears to be marginally notable per WP:ATHLETE. Bearian (talk) 00:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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