Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kessler's
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Unreferenced for nearly three years, fails verifiability policy. Stifle (talk) 16:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. -- kelapstick (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Even with hits from the Atlanta paper, I found nothing that constituted non-trivial coverage of the chain. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 22:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Keep per Childofmidnight's sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 00:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 00:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable. Here's an integration related story from 1971 [1]. There's a mention in New York Times from 1922 (not free to access). Worth including. Included in this story [2]. Unfortunately archives are generally not free. But anyone visiting a library in Georgia would certainly be able to come up with plenty. Also here [3]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: fails WP:RS. South Bay (talk) 03:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per sources found by ChildofMidnight. This is clearly verifiable contrary to what Stifle suggested in the nom.- Mgm|(talk) 08:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The integration story is four sentences total under "Georgia News Briefs". The second story it may be mentioned, we aren't sure, but the article is about something else. Number 3 is a court case where it looks like Kessler's was a creditor. There is nothing in any of these sources but trivial mentions, to establish notability requires significant in-depth coverage. Drawn Some (talk) 11:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I can't find a 1922 story in the NYT archive about Kessler department store. The NYT story of 17 April 1962 that is linked, is about the joining of Unishops Inc. with Holly Stores Inc., Butler Shoe Corporation and Alterman Foods Inc. to form a company, Thrift City Southern Inc., to operate two discount stores to be known as Thrift City Stores in Georgia. Bernard Kessler was the president of Unishops. He has the same name as the family mentioned in the Wikipedia article but the NYT article says nothing about the Kessler department store chain. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there are lots of other stories that discuss or mention Kessler's. Small-town downtowns becoming an endangered species. Sick, but how sick? Georgia's jobless figures are so unreliable it's hard to tell, officials say. A RIVAL OR A SAVIOR? The store has a long history. It's been notable for its employment history and a discrimination lawsuit, for its failure and redevelopment, and it's history as a major regional department store for decades. So it has historical importance even though the archival stories are not widely available on line and those that are aren't free. There's still plenty to have an article and perhaps someone from that area will avail themselves of a library to expand our coverage. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. Perhaps the Georgia (US) WikiProject could help? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there are lots of other stories that discuss or mention Kessler's. Small-town downtowns becoming an endangered species. Sick, but how sick? Georgia's jobless figures are so unreliable it's hard to tell, officials say. A RIVAL OR A SAVIOR? The store has a long history. It's been notable for its employment history and a discrimination lawsuit, for its failure and redevelopment, and it's history as a major regional department store for decades. So it has historical importance even though the archival stories are not widely available on line and those that are aren't free. There's still plenty to have an article and perhaps someone from that area will avail themselves of a library to expand our coverage. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.