Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Narbett

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The result was keep‎. Per improvements made and sources identified Star Mississippi 01:59, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Narbett

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This got caught up in my cleanup of promotional articles and likely sockpuppetry, but after a second look I saw that this article had a longer history so I've restored and sent it here for review. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC, the only sources are a local blog, WP:ROUTINE injury report, and a fanzine. WP:BEFORE showed nothing that would contribute to notability. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 18:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Football. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 18:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Fails in WP:V. Svartner (talk) 02:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – Due to the new sources presented per Giant Snowman. The article has potential for improvement. Svartner (talk) 22:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Svartner the first source is not independent and likely not reliable. The second source is a bit more than routine, but is still not enough to meet GNG, especially by itself. JoelleJay (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That's not the point - the point is that there are sources out there, and that given the length of this person's career, there are likely to be offline sources out there which nobody has tried to check. Giant Snowman 13:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - clearly notable. This player made over 200 appearances in the Football League (the English professional league), see this, and also had a career in Sweden. There is online coverage at here and here, and there will be offline coverage given he played pre-internet. Pinging @The Wordsmith and Svartner: to re-consider. Giant Snowman 19:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appearing in professional league matches no longer satisfy notability requirements, as participation-based criteria were eliminated from WP:ATHLETE in the big RFC 2 years ago. For your sources, I made reference to those in my nomination statement though not by name. The Your Herefordshire source is significant coverage but of questionable reliability, being more of a community blog than something we'd use to demonstrate notability. The author, Matt Healey, is not a journalist but a party DJ, Sales Director for Your Herefordshire, and (most importantly) Hereford FC Matchday Announcer since 2002 🎤 according to his own website,[1] making him not independent of the subject. Your second source is a local news source, which isn't necessarily disqualifying but it is a routine injury report. Neither of them are sufficient to demonstrate notability. As far as pre-internet sources, sure they might exist and might give WP:SIGCOV. But we don't have enough sources available to satisfy WP:SPORTBASIC and give us the presumption of notability and existence of sources. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 20:18, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~. Agreed with The Wordsmith that the sources presented above fall woefully short of GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 20:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I did a search of the Swedish newspaper archives and what I could find for "Narbett" were clearly just routine passing mentions and match recaps. The full text of the Barometern piece is very short -- "Jonathan Narbett came to Kalmar FF from Oxford in 1994. Here he goes wild in the home match against BK Forward. The question is eagle he was on his feet when he landed; few players in KFF history have fallen over as often as he has. Apart from an extremely unexpected hat-trick away to Hässleholm, he made an exceedingly modest impression and disappeared after the season back to Great Britain, specifically to Merthyr Tydfil in Wales. After a couple of years in Chesterfield and Worcester City, the trail of him ends. Wherever Jon Narbett is today is his 48th birthday." I still don't think this meets GNG, but would like to hear from @The Wordsmith. Svenskafans is a passing mention. JoelleJay (talk) 22:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That really doesn't seem like it meets WP:SIGCOV, and I don't think any of the sources presented so far meet either GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 22:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per GiantSnowman. Besides the sources alreayd in the article, I found 4, 5, and 6. Definitly has offline sources, having made 100+ appearances in fully pro English Football League in pre-internet era. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 23:48, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes GNG with significant coverage per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some coverage here and here from the British Newspaper Archive. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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