Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jake Rodkin
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The result was KEEP. TigerShark (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I found zero sources on this person independent of the subject. The only references are either self-published or blogs. Google News returns no results. Subject fails the basic criteria of WP:BIO. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 23:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Interviews with Jake Rodkin: Joystiq [1], G4 [2]. Also: WP:BIO states "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times". Jake Rodkin co-designed the re-release of Surfing the Highway which was nominated for the Eisner Award and the game Tales of Monkey Island which he co-directed won the PC Gamer adventure game of the year in 2009, the IGN best adventure game of the year in 2009, and the Adventure Gamers Adventure of the Year award in 2009. JenniBees (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- One's a routine interview; the other's a timetable of events at ComicCom. Neither focus on the subject or provide more than trivial mentions. Also, the games, not the subject, won the awards. That does make everybody at LucasArts involved with the project automatically notable. Further, I cannot find a source for PC Gamer's award, the IGN award is just a "best of" list and not an actual award, and the subject worked for Adventure Gamers. How about finding an independent source that focuses on the subject? He certainly fails WP:GNG at this point. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 08:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Interviews with Jake Rodkin: Joystiq [1], G4 [2]. Also: WP:BIO states "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times". Jake Rodkin co-designed the re-release of Surfing the Highway which was nominated for the Eisner Award and the game Tales of Monkey Island which he co-directed won the PC Gamer adventure game of the year in 2009, the IGN best adventure game of the year in 2009, and the Adventure Gamers Adventure of the Year award in 2009. JenniBees (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) • Gene93k (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- PC Gamer's award was in print in the January 2010 issue (but is referenced in the link I provided in the article). Tales of Monkey Island was made by Telltale Games, not LucasArts, where Jake Rodkin works. He co-directed the game, which certainly should mean he is the recipient of the accolades that the game wins. A best picture award would go to its director(s), would it not? So, certainly a Best Game award would go to the director(s) as well. JenniBees (talk) 14:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The ref you provided is an SPS. The Best Picture award is actually presented to producers, not directors. In this case, PC Gamer recognizes the game, not the individuals associated with the development of the game, unlike the Academy Awards which specifically recognizes the artists. Furthermore, in the video game industry, PC Gamer adventure game of the year award is probably not a significant award as it is the viewpoint of a single publisher, and almost every publisher has their own game of the year awards. Significant awards typically comprise of an aggregate panel across the industry and present a physical award in the form of a ceremony, not just a title. Most are listed at List of video game awards. But importantly, the only references that mention him trivially are SPS or interviews he conducted to promote his games. None of the third-party refs for the award nominations for Monkey Island even mention the subject. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 10:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I changed the Self Published Source reference to a reference to PC Gamer using cite:magazine. Jake Rodkin was the season director of Tales of Monkey Island. In the case of Telltale, a season director would be like a producer. The season director oversees the entire project, and directs every episode in the season (Telltale's version of a project leader). Whereas an episode director would just direct one episode in a season. As for the awards, I think they'd fit as "a well-known and significant award or honor", as in the game industry it is indeed an honor to be recognized by well-known and respected gaming sites and magazines like IGN or PC Gamer. And I still hold the position that any honors a game receives are honors of the project leaders. JenniBees (talk) 12:37, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The ref you provided is an SPS. The Best Picture award is actually presented to producers, not directors. In this case, PC Gamer recognizes the game, not the individuals associated with the development of the game, unlike the Academy Awards which specifically recognizes the artists. Furthermore, in the video game industry, PC Gamer adventure game of the year award is probably not a significant award as it is the viewpoint of a single publisher, and almost every publisher has their own game of the year awards. Significant awards typically comprise of an aggregate panel across the industry and present a physical award in the form of a ceremony, not just a title. Most are listed at List of video game awards. But importantly, the only references that mention him trivially are SPS or interviews he conducted to promote his games. None of the third-party refs for the award nominations for Monkey Island even mention the subject. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 10:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- weak keep limited RSes, but probably skates under WP:GNG and WP:ENTERTAINER as argued by JenniBees Hobit (talk) 21:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 03:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep for me too. Those are pretty big hits, even if he was only tangentially connected with them. --Legis (talk - contribs) 07:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that Adventure Gamers was the subject's employer and Steve Purcell was the subject's coworker. The other sources provided do not mention the subject. I scoured the web and found zero RS on this guy. Also he appears to be one of ten co-designers of Tales of Monkey Island. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 04:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The Steve Purcell link is a link about the Eisner Awards. The reprint of Sam & Max Surfin the Highway collection was nominated for an Eisner for "Best Graphic Album – Reprint", and the design of the book is credited to Steve Purcell and Jake Rodkin. Also, Jake Rodkin is one of three season directors of Tales of Monkey Island (project leaders): Mark Darin, Michael Stemmle, and Jake Rodkin. They are the ones who oversaw the entire project and directed every episode, as opposed to episode directors who just directed one or a few episodes in a season. He's also the co-project lead on upcoming The Walking Dead game [3], and there's a bit of buzz on that. I'm adding references to the article. JenniBees (talk) 08:16, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that Adventure Gamers was the subject's employer and Steve Purcell was the subject's coworker. The other sources provided do not mention the subject. I scoured the web and found zero RS on this guy. Also he appears to be one of ten co-designers of Tales of Monkey Island. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 04:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.