Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diana La Cazadora
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. MBisanz talk 01:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Diana La Cazadora (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Non-notable wrestler, the fact that she works for CMLL now and again isn’t enough to make her notable by itself. The two citations prove nothing but the fact that she had a match for CMLL and worked for LLF, nothing to prove notability. She does not warrant a wikipedia article. Fails WP:N and WP:V for anything other than the most basic proof of existence. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Just another wrestler probably made by an ip or someone who doesn't know notability rules. Done nothing that would say notability in my mind besides winning a tag belt with Nikki Roxx and working for CMLL.--WillC 08:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as in my view she is not notable outside of Mexico at this point in time. TrekFanatic (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep was featured on national television France 2 in one of the most popular shows of my home country, France. Has therefore achieved international notability, she satisfies WP:N contrary to what is stated above. This reference says "It's fair to say that one of the biggest stars in Lucha Libre Femenil is Diana la Cazadora." so this is verifiable. Video from a France 2 show is available on YouTube, verifiable as well.Hektor (talk) 10:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- the comment "one of the biggest stars in Lucha Libre Femenil" means nothing notable since the federation itself isn't in itself notable enough for Wikipedia. And "international notabilty" should easily be backed up with reliable sourced references, not a quote from the LLF's own website. MPJ-DK (talk) 10:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre is a notable organization 1. I didn't know that WP:N was about "international notability" or that someone has to be notable outside of Mexico to warrant an article in Wikipedia.
- CMLL is indeed notable, but just working for them is in itself not enough to give notability to a wrestler, they have to do something of note there. it's a step on the way but in itself working for CMLL isn't enough to give you notability IMO. and the "International Notability" was a comment on a statement, it was states that she was "internationally notable" to which I say "then prove it". MPJ-DK (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Once again, she got extensive coverage, from France 2, which is a mainstream media, therefore outside of the wrestling circles and outside of her country, since this was in France. The France 2 video also says she has her own TV show on Mexican television. Hektor (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Prove it, don't say it - come up with something verifiable from a reliable source, it's really that simple.MPJ-DK (talk) 19:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well watch the video on Youtube, I have provided the link. A video from France 2 is not a source ? Hektor (talk) 10:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Prove it, don't say it - come up with something verifiable from a reliable source, it's really that simple.MPJ-DK (talk) 19:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Once again, she got extensive coverage, from France 2, which is a mainstream media, therefore outside of the wrestling circles and outside of her country, since this was in France. The France 2 video also says she has her own TV show on Mexican television. Hektor (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- CMLL is indeed notable, but just working for them is in itself not enough to give notability to a wrestler, they have to do something of note there. it's a step on the way but in itself working for CMLL isn't enough to give you notability IMO. and the "International Notability" was a comment on a statement, it was states that she was "internationally notable" to which I say "then prove it". MPJ-DK (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre is a notable organization 1. I didn't know that WP:N was about "international notability" or that someone has to be notable outside of Mexico to warrant an article in Wikipedia.
- Weak keep - Per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Athletes: "People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis." - For wrestlers, this is usually interpreted as people who have competed in a major promotion. She has worked for CMLL and AAA, which are two of the biggest (if not the two biggest) promotions in Mexico. I'm voting weak keep, though, because I don't know how regularly she competes for them. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - She is a bit notable. If more sources can collected, then it would be much better. ₰imonKSK 02:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. —♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 11:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep--She has an article in Lucha Wiki, not a reliable source meeting Wikipedia's standards, but helpful in establishing notability for the subject. --J.Mundo (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I'd say it's worth keeping her but it's probably worth expanding upon the article where possible to make it more extensive and informative of Diana afkatk (talk) 04:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.