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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Den Schliker

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Not a prominent fashion photographer. Has no major contributions to the fashion industry. MagazineHound (talk) 06:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete article does not assert notability. Baileypalblue (talk) 09:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I did not create the article, but helped the creator somewhat. He has been published in photography magazines (now one of them has been referenced), and per the subject's website he has a copy of an interview he did for a magazine. The only problem is that the subject is Ukrainian so most of the references (including the copy of the magazine article about him) are in either Ukrainian or Russian. At least the online references which I've searched for. Killiondude (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Request The article lists two exhibitions in the Gallery of the City Exhibit Hall of Mykolaiv/Nikolaev. Schliker's own site mentions both, says that one was a solo exhibition, and has illegibly tiny reproductions of what seem to be posters or flyers. These claimed exhibitions interest me far more than the claimed fashion shoots do: after all, people must be pretty interested in somebody's work to want to see it in an exhibition, whereas people ogling a fashion pictorial are far less likely to be interested in the photography than in the frocks. (Clearly there are complications, such as that of vanity exhibitions, entirely paid for by the featured artists, that attract few if any viewers.) Unfortunately I can't use the Cyrillic alphabet with any confidence, let alone read Russian or Ukrainian; however, other people hereabouts can. So where are mentions by the gallery, or by independent and disinterested sources, of any of these exhibitions by Schliker? -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep photographer was written about in "STUD" magazine, a Ukrainian magazine, and also:
    The photo "When There's No Way Back" was the 1st Place winner in the magazine "Popular Photography & Imaging", see http://www.denschliker.com/news.html.
    In addition, Wikipedia:Notability states: "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself." Policy is crystal clear articles for deletion is NOT the forum to clean up articles.
  • Strong keep Here's the references to the newspaper articles about exhibitions he organized and took part at (these are articles from well known Ukrainian newspapers "20 Minutes" and "Pravda"):

(1 reference): Exhibition "Artery": http://20minut.ua/news/71287 (2 reference): Exhibition "Artery": http://www.pravda.mk.ua/news/culture_and_art/2007/09/04/10264.html GeoffBarrenger (talk) 23:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why didn't the nominator attempt to clean up the article first before nominating this article?
Alternatively, please userfy this article. This article was the very first contribution that the new editor had. travb (talk) 10:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • photographer was written about in "STUD" magazine, a Ukrainian magazine / Yes, but have you read this, or do you know anybody who has? ¶ The photo "When There's No Way Back" was the 1st Place winner in the magazine "Popular Photography & Imaging" / Yes, but if US photo magazines' competitions are like those of their Japanese counterparts, this means little: Japanese magazines have them every month. I'm not saying they are like this; I'm asking. Any comments? ¶ Wikipedia:Notability states: "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself." / Which is just what I did. Did you? Any books by Schliker? Any reviews of the exhibition(s)? I couldn't find any, but then I'm unable to look in Russian or Ukrainian; are you? ¶ And why userfy the article? -- Hoary (talk) 13:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The subject has had a scanned copy of his interview with a "STUD Magazine" on his website for some time now, here. I think travb meant to request userfication of the article in the event that it is deleted (one of the things that WP:RESCUE states). I found a couple of news references in Russian. I posted them on Talk:Den Schliker. I don't know if they would be considered "trivial" or whatnot. Killiondude (talk) 23:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more reference (the third one) from the Ukrainian "20 Minutes" newspaper where Schliker is nominated for the "Photographer Of The Year 2008", he's listed there among two other unknown to me photographers: http://20minut.ua/news/141062 GeoffBarrenger (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The 4th reference: Russian book "Outlooks On Life: Volume II" which actually includes works of the legendary photographers from Ukraine and Russia (where the photographer's work was printed): http://www.fotoloft.ru/photo.aspx?id=716da296-b437-473b-8059-f00f146cb237&t=album GeoffBarrenger (talk) 23:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Outlooks On Life: Volume II. Moscow, Russia: FotoLoft. 2007. ISBN 978-5-91435-005-2. GeoffBarrenger (talk) 00:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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