Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dale Wood (William Lawrence Hansen)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The source analysis is pretty convincing that, given the sources that have been located as of today, do not help establish notability as Wikipedia judges it. Perhaps at a future date this might change but if you want to work on a better article, please do so in Draft space and submit it to WP:AFC for review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Wood (William Lawrence Hansen)

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There are no secondary sources that provide information about this person; the entire article is based on primary sources and the article itself admits that little is known outside of government copyright documentation. As a result of the lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, the subject of the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Music. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As Bill Hansen, he is in the credits as an editor for a variety of television programs and related media that may become Wikipedia articles in the future. Most of all, he has composed music with a variety of notable composers. The other references can likely be found, as requested in the first banner. UPDATE: I have improved the article in terms of references and content. (9/28/24) Starlighsky

Future notability is not a consideration at AfD. And his notability cannot be WP:INHERITED from other composers he may have worked with, or from projects he may have worked on that may (or more likely may not) be notable. What we need is reliable, secondary sources. Can you provide those?? Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will do my best to find those. Starlighsky (talk) 03:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an abundance of information on ASCAP of his music as well as who performed his music. However, it is challenging to understand.

ACE Repertory (ascap.com) Starlighsky (talk) 23:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASCAP is a primary source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Film, and Television. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. In 2024, everyone knows that we don’t have biographies on every single person who ever lived and worked in the movies or on TV. We are not, nor ever been, a directory of everyone in “The Business” like ASCAP or IMDB. I hope everyone understands why we strive to be more reliable. This page has to be deleted because there’s not enough information about the person, other than a bare minimum of what he edited. According to our policy: “Biography articles should only be created for people with some sort of verifiable notability. A good measure of notability is whether someone has been featured in multiple, independent, reliable sources.” Sorry. Bearian (talk) 10:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to add that it is the biography of an editor who went by a pseudonym to write music with notable songwriters. Starlighsky (talk) 23:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The more I research this, the more it seems like the television and film projects could be valuable resources for the Wikipedia community:

As William Lawrence Hansen:

Al Jolson's Old-Time Minstrel Show 1952

William Lawrence Hansen

(Compilation: songs and text)

BMI Television Sketchbook Sketches (1951)

William Lawrence Hansen

& Henry M. Katzberg

19 Celebrated Baritone Solos (1950)

William Lawrence Hansen

(Compilation)

Songs from the film Bambi (1951)

Edited by Bill Hansen Starlighsky (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We need reliable sources to verify notability, not editors' opinions that a subject is important. You have a few more days to find those sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added in the article's talk page brief questions about how or if I cite certain references. Starlighsky (talk) 01:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Going to do a quick assessment of the sources currently in the article, including recent additions by Starlighsky.

**Source assessment table: prepared by User:Dclemens1971**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
ASCAP Biographical Dictionary of Composers, Authors and Publishers (not linked but I found it at https://archive.org/details/ascapbiographica00ameri/mode/2up?q=hansen)			A single-paragraph thumbnail biographical sketch in a nearly 600-page biographical directory. Reliable for factual details but does not contribute to WP:GNG.	✘ No
https://archive.org/details/musicalakasassum0000dron/page/164/mode/2up?q=hansen			A single line that confirms Dale Wood is a pseudonym for Bill Hansen but says nothing more.	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/search/results/?iid=3825&keyword=(Dreaming+of+My)+Indiana+Sweetheart	?	?	? It's a list of 200,000+ search results, no idea what is being linked here	? Unknown
https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt3m3nf1xs/	?	?	A reference guide to a primary source collection. Wood/Hansen does not come up in searches	✘ No
https://search.worldcat.org/title/498933149; https://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/i/indiana2.html; numerous references to U.S. copyright filings	A set of references to primary sources (Hansen's songs and their copyright filings) that are ineligible to contribute to notability.			✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

All in all, we have no WP:SIGCOV qualifying toward WP:GNG. None of his songs appear notable either so we have no pass on WP:NMUSIC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can clarify references. The newspaper citation was a list of newspaper mentioning the song "Dreaming of My Girl in Indiana", which was a song that had extensive press coverage when it was released. That song is notable. I will keep working on it. Starlighsky (talk) 02:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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