Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billal Al Kedra

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. There is clear consensus below that this article shouldn't be retained. Normally I default to redirect here as an ATD but given the objection is BLP-related, I'm not comfortable doing so. I'd encourage a discussion to occur somewhere whether a redirect should happen or not while factoring in the BLP concerns, and should consensus be to establish a redirect, please feel free to undelete the history of this article behind the redirect to achieve the ATD. Daniel (talk) 22:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Billal Al Kedra

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Article based entirely on Israeli allegations and claims that he was killed, no independent secondary sources for any aspect of this besides reporting on those Israeli claims. We have an article in which a person that no secondary source says exists, lived, or died, and for claims that this person engaged in criminal acts (WP:BLPCRIME which still applies given no independent confirmation that he is dead). Fails WP:BLP1E, WP:BLPGOSSIP and WP:NPF. Nableezy 17:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Israel, and Palestine. Nableezy 17:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:27, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Nukhba (Hamas), as that was the unit he was [a] commander of. In the event that more information about his life and death, independently verified, becomes available, the redirect can be undone. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Nukhba (Hamas), per the above. No standalone notability. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Nukhba (Hamas), I probably jumped the gun making this one, but since he's at least mentioned in multiple sources, a redirect seems to make the most sense here. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 13:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I think the reasoning provided so far by other editors has convinced me. Not notable for an independent article but still worthy of mention. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think a redirect fails WP:BLPCRIME, we have no independent sourcing for the claim that this person was at all involved in any of the things Israel has claimed. nableezy - 19:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? In what instance is there an arbitrary standard for any crime? That's not what WP:BLP says. Authorities investigate and charge crimes. How would someone independently confirm that XX committed a crime, without relying on authorities? The Israeli claim is widely reported in RS across the spectrum, so RS find the claim credible, which is the standard we should use here. Longhornsg (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Youre accusing a potentially living person of being an arch-terrorist. The Israeli claim is reported by RS as an Israeli claim, not as a credible or not credible one. We require convictions to claim a crime was committed. nableezy - 21:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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