Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi

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The result was delete Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi. The consensus is not clear on any of the other items, so please nominate them individually. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:24, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi

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I would like to nominate the article for deletion, because no notability. The man is the self declared vice chancellor of a unaccredited and degree mill institution name as Darul Huda Islamic University MalayaliWoman (talk) 09:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because these also part of the degree mill:

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Darul Huda is an non accredited (https://www.ugc.ac.in/stateuniversitylist.aspx?id=13&Unitype=2) and diploma mill institution based at Malappuram, Kerala, India.MalayaliWoman (talk) 10:32, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 14:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 14:03, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. MalayaliWoman (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - "diploma mill" would need a source to back it up. The Hindu doesn't indicate that, and it's not on the official list of fake universities. Huon (talk) 04:50, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Hindu's news seems the daily published what the release team Darul Huda provided. So, its a fake self-claim of Darul Huda that they are a university. In India, such a seminary oriented college cant be university using any international seminary bodies.
UGC might have prepared fake Universities List in India, according to the data they have given. This Darul Huda is not much a known nor considerable. So How UGS will find a local institution like this.MalayaliWoman (talk) 05:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MalayaliWoman: None of this is positive evidence for your assertions which have added to multiple of the nominated articles as well as this discussion, in violaton of WP:V and arguably WP:BLP. Huon (talk) 11:16, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Huon: Welcome Sir, Can you explain what is the notability of these articles?MalayaliWoman (talk) 11:41, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't expressed an opinion on the notability of these articles and haven't evaluated that yet. Adding unsourced negative content to articles, however, is not appropriate even if the subject of the article indeed isn't notable. I'm going to revert the "diploma mill" part since you apparently cannot back up your claims. Huon (talk) 12:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Darul Huda Islamic University, redirect Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi and Thelitcham Monthly thereto, delete Darunnajath Islamic Complex and Malik Deenar Islamic Academy. Darul Huda has quite a bit of media coverage in national and international news. More coverage in non-English sources may well exist; I couldn't check those. Both Nadwi and the magazine are mentioned in the article on the university, with sources to back them up. Nadwi is something of a borderline case; there are plenty of passing mentions, and he seems involved in disputes among the local Muslim community, but at least in English there's no significant coverage of him. For the affiliated institutions I couldn't find any secondary sources at all, so the Darul Huda article cannot mention them and there would be no point to redirects. Huon (talk) 23:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I support the above suggestions. Mr. @Huon:. In addition, I request to change the name of Darul Huda Islamic University to Darul Huda, because the suffix will make confusion for students at the season of admission. The institution not providing general education, and even Islamic education for women. MalayaliWoman (talk) 03:30, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mr, @Huon: Can you explain what was meant by the sentence “Darul Huda was upgraded to a university” that added by you to the article, Darul Huda and Why was removed the word “non accredited” from the preface.MalayaliWoman (talk) 13:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Talk:Darul Huda Islamic University article's talk page is a better place for content discussions. I'll reply there. Huon (talk) 17:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I agreed, Let's finish the process. MalayaliWoman (talk) 17:57, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why deleting the Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi and other articles related with the Darul Huda International University? I am a notable person in the Islamic World, and my Facebook page is verified (https://www.facebook.com/Dr.BahauddeenMuhammedNadwi/). Check my official profile at http://www.dhiu.in/vice-chancellor Bahauddeen Muhammed (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. Doesn't touch WP:GNG. None of the article mentioned above do. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:43, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain why deleting these pages?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahauddeen Muhammed (talk • contribs) 21:02, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bahauddeen Muhammed, people have tried to explain reasons for a deletion above. A simplified summary of our deletion guidelines can be found at WP:42. Some people would say that this is oversimplified, but the general message is very important. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Though the conflict of interest edits have been justifiably reverted, the current version's identification as a 'diploma mill' and similar references to lack of accreditation are also problematic. Looks like WP:OR to make a point. 2601:188:180:1481:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - while DHIU doesn't seem to be a degree-awarding university, it appears to provide a high school education, including "secondary" and "senior secondary", according to their website. High schools are generally presumed to be notable. Given the amount of international news mentioning DHIU, I would expect local sources (in Malayalam) to also cover DHIU to a significant degree. Huon (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG delete all .Note DHIU does not follow the Kerala State Education Board or Central Board of Secondary Education or Council for the Indian School Certificate Examinations the 3 main boards in Kerala but follows Islamic religious curriculum not sure if it is recognised school and hence it cannot be presumed to be notable .Neither is the University recognised.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:14, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Running one of many unaccredited south Asian private "universities" is not enough for WP:PROF, and we have inadequate sourcing for any other form of notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:53, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Borderline promotional. Deb (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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