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Hello, TheTranarchist,

I understand that you just created this category. But the policy is to tag empty categories. There is a week-long period where it sits in an Empty Categories category. If it is still empty in 7 days, then it is deleted. If it no longer is empty, which happens a lot, then the tag is removed. So, no reason to panic, in the case of CSD C1, "speedy" isn't an appropriate adjective. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it, Liz. Silver seren^C 01:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz, thanks for notifying and explaining it to me and thanks @Silverseren for helping populate it! I was planning to create the subcategories by country/city then move everything in one sitting but the day got away from me lol, sorry for leaving it up empty so long. I'm about to sit down to finish the job and won't leave any categories empty less than the minute to populate it using hotcat! TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 02:22, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Categories in Article space

Hello @TheTranarchist, please stop creating new categories in article space. Your recent creations such as High-importance Housing and Tenant Rights in New York articles, Low-importance Housing and Tenant Rights in New York articles, Mid-importance Housing and Tenant Rights in New York articles, NA-importance Housing and Tenant Rights in New York articles & Unknown-importance Housing and Tenant Rights in New York articles show that you were trying to create categories but you mistakenly created them in article space (without 'Category:' in the beginning). ~~I'm nominating these pages for WP:CSD #G6~~. Please be careful with Namespaces in the future. Thanks. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 22:04, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Raydann - sorry about that, I've been doing a lot of work with categories recently but am new to it. I made a list of the categories I needed to create and quickly went through it before realizing I'd left out the "Category:" prefix in the links. Requested they be moved to the proper namespace just before you left this. Regardless, won't happen again. Best, TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing the categories! Sorry again about that, my most embarrassing wiki-blunder so far lol TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TheTranarchist Totally understandable. I have now moved them to the Category namespace. Apologies for undoing your changes @Schminnte, I was on my way to fix the same. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 22:17, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Understandable, thanks for alerting me. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 22:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Guardians of Divinity

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I put this alert on the page before seeing your page... if you have topic ban, and you object, I'll remove the prod for you and go to AfD instead, it isn't fair to you otherwise. Denaar (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Denaar Thanks for notifying me! I am unfortunately indeed topic banned: at ~80% confidence I'm guessing that means I can't say whether or not I'd appreciate you taking it to AfD and/or object to deletion, so I'm going to hold my opinions on those unless an admin gives me a go-ahead to say them. If none do, I'm afraid I have no answer for you and it'll be up to you, since I don't want to get dragged to ANI or AN again - I've only recently started recovering from my past times there. Best, TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 03:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The talk page lists wikiproject LGBT studies so I think not interacting with it at all is a good call on your end. I'm glad to see you give such a careful answer. --Licks-rocks (talk) 10:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Potentially useful overview of NY (and to some extent broader US) tenant history

Hi again! While researching for the creation of Draft:1918-1920 New York City rent strikes I came across a kind of interesting slideshow of tenant history that I thought you might find a useful reference so I'm sharing it here. Tenant Movement History Timeline Slides - English.pdf

Of particular interest covered in it I think is the Draft:United Workers Cooperative Colony which was a socialist non-segregated cooperative housing project that was started by garment workers in the Bronx in 1925 with around 2,000 residents living there. There seems to be an entire PBS documentary on it surprisingly. Anyways hope its helpful! -- LoomCreek (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @LoomCreek, thanks for sharing it! Sorry for the late reply it's been a crazy week/weekend lol - had a short-term contract I'd been focusing on. Thought that link looked familiar and double checked the origin, I'd linked it on the resources section of NYHOUSING along with some shorter overviews and a cool interactive timeline project covering the same (they're under "Right to Counsel NYC"). Currently writing an article on Spanish Wikipedia, but when I'm finished with that I've been planning to finish collecting the sources for / write 1934 Harlem Rent Strike - if Draft:United Workers Cooperative Colony still needs work when I'm done with that I'll try and expand the article since that's really cool! Best, TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's no worries! I get that it can be very busy at times. The pdf is actually something I added recently under it after I recognized it was the same slides as the interactive timelines. Thank you for finding the previous sources they are very useful! The secondary sources you found for the rent strikes have been invaluable. Also agreed the cooperative housing is very cool, at the moment its just a place to gather sources. I suspect It'll probably still be unfinished when your done with the 1934 Harlem Rent strike. As the post-WW1 NYC rent strikes are bit of a beast to fully cover and because of that it'll probably be at least a couple weeks till I'm fully done with it given my other responsibilities. -- LoomCreek (talk) 23:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As an update, turns out the United Workers Cooperatives already existed! I just somehow missed it. Because of that I've just expanded some of it's history section. LoomCreek (talk) 12:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd seen it while doing category and not realized it was the same lol. Glad you found it and thanks for expanding it! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

np! - LoomCreek (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Maddy from Celeste yeah I saw that last night and was worried about it before seeing it was a page move error. Anyway, sorry for dropping off yesterday, went to a girlfriend's, got back late, and was too tired to edit when I got home lol. About to start addressing the outstanding points on the article (including the Eli Erlick photos, she got back to me with the high quality photos and CC license specification)! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Finally done with 1918-20 New York City rent strikes!

Hi again! Hope you're doing well. I finished the 1918-20 New York City rent strikes finally. It was kind of a beast to try to fully tackle and integrate all the different sources, undoubtly there are also still some oversights even if the broad strokes are there.

Currently it's writing is still a bit messy, which I'll have to improve on in the coming months. But I decided to publish as it's still accurate & gives a fairly good picture. it just needs to have some smoother transitions between sections, some general wording cleanup and a couple paragraph consolidations. Let me know if I've missed anything in the article and any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

On an unrelated note, I think it might be useful to spin off the Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force to instead a general Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force. I think New York would likely still remain a focus because of it's deep history, but I do think it could be a good idea to make the criteria a bit more flexible and open to new wiki members. Please let me know what you think!

Thanks, LoomCreek (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@LoomCreek I am thanks! Likewise hope the same.

The article looks great on a first read! I'll try and and review it more thoroughly, copyedit it, and lyk my thoughts in the coming days!

I'm interested, but I worry it'll split many members attention. I personally like that the project has a relatively modest goal/scope which lends itself to systematic documentation (strikes, organizations, key people, etc) in such a way the project can be mostly completed, but I can't speak to other's thoughts.

I suppose a larger question for me is scope: where would we put it? If it's generalized to worldwide history, Wikiproject Housing and Tenancy might make more sense than a task force. Or if we create task forces for other regions, maybe link them at WP:LABOR or WP:URBAN. Linking to regionalized task forces there would be best in my mind as it would allow people to choose/switch between a generalized approach and focusing on their own cities/states. I'm also somewhat lazy and think that would be easier than modifying the task force itself lol, since it's under a NY page, ties into NY/NYC wikiboxes, and is tied to NY related categories.

I'd recommend asking a wider audience about interest first, posting at WP:NYHOUSING, WP:URBAN, WP:SQUAT, WP:LABOR, WP:COMMUNISM, WP:ANARCHISM, WP:HISTORY, WP:HR, WP:SOCIOLOGY, WP:HLWP, and WP:SHUK. Workshopping the pitch, lmk of what you think about something along these lines:

Hi! I'm LoomCreek and a member of the New York Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force where we've been documenting the history of land ownership and tenant advocacy in the state and city. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist and I want to guage interest in creating a larger task force for worldwide history and/or more regionally specific ones. If interested, please let us know at <a link to a sandbox page signup type page> about what your interests are and whether you'd prefer a regional task force, a world-wide wikiproject, or both. In ~2 weeks we'll start creating them based on requests (5+ for a regional task force, 10+ for a wikiproject). Best regards,

Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I totally respect that! I'll be staying in the taskforce regardless. My focus personally is researching and then creating articles around tenant organizing & housing rights more generally, although focused primarily in the US.

I probably will eventually contact the groups you suggested to see if there is any interest in either a broad Housing and Tenancy Wikiproject or regional taskforces which I agree might be the best balance. I really greatly appreciate the help in drafting a pitch to gauge interest.

While unrelated I also want to thank you for your work in GenSex, and congrats on getting the ban lifted! I saw the talk page congratulations by everyone else, It's undoubtedly hard work, especially with the harassment. But just know it's greatly appreciated by many, myself included, and to not get too discouraged! - LoomCreek (talk) 04:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear! IIRC I've not seen any resources on the US at large, but a few on different cities, but I'll keep an eye out for them. I'll also probably help out with other regions in the U.S. time to time, more so as NYHOUSING gets more complete. Happy to help with the pitch! And thank you, it's made editing a hell of a lot easier lol. Though I love NYHOUSING, I was there in exile from GENSEX broadly construed, the whole reason I joined WP in the first place, so I could never tell if I was truly there of my own volition and fully appreciate it - it feels amazing to now move fluidly between my home topics! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@LoomCreek I've been reviewing the article (stellar work!) and come across a small snag, dyk where I can access Urban castles: tenement housing and landlord activism in New York City, 1890 - 1943? I thought I'd tracked down a copy at one point but checking libgen and the WP library I can't find it anywhere lol. I'm about to try and make some reference formatting edits for the heavily cited books in the meantime! Best, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Beccaynr I hope you've been doing well! I'm pinging you to ask if you think Template:sfn would be useful here, particularly with references 2, 4, 5, and 7 since they're heavily cited books. I don't have much experience with it but you do iirc so I'd appreciate your advice! Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 19:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC) (P.S. I changed my username lol)[reply]

Hi! I haven't used the sfn template, but after reviewing the article and how the sources are used, I think it will work well. Cheers and the happiest of holidays to you! Beccaynr (talk) 02:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and likewise! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the delay! I had a bit of an unexpectedly busy few days. Agreed it's great that you now have the freedom to move through between the two topics again.

And thank you! I really appreciate it. It was really rewarding learning about the history in more depth. I think one of the oddly rewarding aspects was recovering a bunch of the old photos, most were up until this point relegated to forgotten newspapers archives, I had to exclude a lot just for space. I'm up with the use of an sfn template given how heavily I used page citations.

For Urban castles: tenement housing and landlord activism in New York City, 1890 - 1943:

There is a incomplete google books preview online, which is probably where you remember encountering it. Which might be helpful for searching through to confirm some of the claims.

The only place I've been able to find the complete book is as a physical copy unfortunately.

I've searched everywhere online, and same as you I've had no luck, all I've encountered are journal review articles of it. For the full book, I'd go to a large library or request it through a library system.

Cheers, LoomCreek (talk) 08:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries and you're welcome! I know that feeling, in-depth research is why I love WP, and whenever I find a cache of historical public domain images it's fantastic. I'll try and factor in the sfn today. Thanks for the confirming that! I suppose I've gotta head to the library soon lol. Best, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the sfn formatting and good luck getting the book!, LoomCreek (talk) 04:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem and thanks! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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ABNY looks ready

I would say at this point that Draft:Association for a Better New York is in good enough shape to be moved to mainspace. Unless you would prefer to keep working in draft, I would be happy to make the move. Cheers! BD2412 T 02:24, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BD2412 Thanks! I would prefer to keep it in draft a bit longer though, it needs some final polishing (some flow, details, and a lead) I put off for today last night lol. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 17:02, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Just let me know when you're ready. There is no deadline. BD2412 T 17:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BD2412 Finished! Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:07, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BD2412 T 20:49, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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