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Use of "Dr." and "Ph.D."

Hi Viriditas. I've responded on the DD talk page to both Humus sapiens and your comments. Please consider reverting to his latest version (with the POV tag) so that editors replying to the RfC understand what the issue is. I'm not trying to push an agenda here, I'm only trying to get clarification on the Dr./Ph.D issue. Monkeyman 22:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the RfC. I'll resubmit this particular question with a less polarizing figure as an example. If you know if/where this particular issue is addressed in wikipedia style policy, please let me know. (I've looked but couldn't find it anywhere.) Monkeyman 23:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

cannabis cats

hi viriditas,

a week or so ago i created category:Cannabis legal reform, and as there's some overlap there with the activists cat you've been filling out, i figured i'd mention it. perhaps activists should be a sub-cat of legal reform?

--Heah ^talk 03:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

actually my first thought was to create an activists category, but since there were plenty of organizations and other stuff i went for the more general. So i have no desire at all for it to not exist, just wanted to touch base before I changed anything. I'll go through it tomorrow and decat people from legal reform and whatnot. cheers --Heah ^talk 07:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

My Mistake

Sorry, I shouldn't have tagged it as speedy. I was confused with another edit window I had open at the same time. I mean to merge it with owl, but then I noticed that you had added it to category:Owls so that became somewhat irrelevant. Sorry about that. Bobby1011 06:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

WS

Hi, Here is a vote related to Western Sahara. Neutrality of WP is dying, please save it! Daryou 07:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Project Watchlist Bot

I'm finally getting around to replying to your request for a bot to update the project watchlist. I didn't know anything about bots at the time. So, I went and learned. But then there was a wikipedia bug. Now, I've written a bot, and am waiting for approval to run it. Assuming it gets approved, I'll use it to update the WikiProject Hawaii watchlist every few days (which may be unnecessary for WP:Hawaii, but the Numismatics project is changing very rapidly). Thanks for the suggestion -- it's led me on a very interesting journey. Ingrid 00:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:Trees of Minnesota

Hi Viriditas - isn't this ridiculous over-categorisation? Will there be a similar cat for every state and province in North America? Consider the implications for a widespread species, which might thus end up in 60 or more categories and have a longer list of categories than there is text about it - MPF 12:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

"I don't see any "over-categorisation" at this time" - means you've not looked at the implications! Do you propose to add every species of plant that occurs in every state or province to each such category? Most such areas have a flora 2,000-5,000 vascular plant species, and most of these species have distributions that cover several states or provinces. I can see there might be some value in continent-wide, or possibly national flora categories, but not by individual states etc. Also have you considered the definition of a 'tree'? - it isn't a very useful criterion as there is no real distinction between a tree and a shrub ('woody plant' might be better). - MPF 12:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; though I see problems ahead with plants like e.g. Manitoba Maple, native in 5 Canadian provinces, 46 US states, and 3 Mexican states; if each had its own 'Category:Trees of X', that's 54 categories at the bottom of its page, on top of what it already has. Is that a realistic option? California is a bit of a special case, as its flora is to a large extent different from most of the rest of the US (shared a bit with OR, WA, NV, AZ, and Baja Calif.), but there's nothing in MN that doesn't also occur in one or more adjoining areas, as the eastern N American flora is uniform over larger regions than states - MPF 15:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding adminship

Hi, actually the issues with SlimVirgin and Anonymous editor were from the past - about 4 months back - and I am amazed that they still hold a grudge against me. The fact remains that since that period there has hardly been any case of revert wars etc. or me behaving in any unruly fashion. Infact I've never even had issues or interactions with these people since then. But, some have chosen to judge me only from that period. Idleguy 13:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

New Pro-cannabis userbox

This user is pro-cannabis.

If you would like to have this on your userpage, just add {{User:Disavian/Userboxes/pro-cannabis}} to your userpage, and the box at right will appear on it. Also, if used in your user space, the page will be listed on Category:Pro-cannabis Wikipedians. If you would like to share it with someone else, type {{User:Disavian/Userboxes/pro-cannabis|stamp|right}}

Also, consider weighing in on the Wikipedia:Userbox policy poll.

Stand up and be counted while you still can,

StrangerInParadise 20:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your message, but I don't feel that Wikipedia user pages are an appropriate place to push political agendas of any kind. I also don't support the use of userboxes at this time. —Viriditas | Talk 07:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I should point out, I see this box as a matter of affirming principle (bigotry and oppression are wrong), rather than pushing a political agenda (legalize it!). This is more in the sensibility of anti-racism userboxen.

I am pushing the wikipolitical agenda that things such as this should be allowed to exist, which is the main reason I created it now. I have found the experiment of disseminating via talk pages problematic, for example the language in the note above should be If you like..., and generally be less presumptuous. This was clumsy of me. Note that, prior to this anti-userboxen nonsense, I didn't have even a userpage, though I confess to being pleased with my new one (check it out).

Under different circumstances, I would simply have left it at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Beliefs, and let time take its course. A rogue admin has already tried to tear things up already and delete Category:Pro-cannabis Wikipedians, and the template's links to it.

Thanks all the same for your help over time,

StrangerInParadise 20:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Mahalo Nui Loa! Nach0king 09:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for keeping an eye on my talk page. Much appreciated. :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

No, no need to apologise; I appreciate it. A couple of hours later, he came back and vandalised my talk page four times, as well as Zoe's and Ashibaka's. Thankyou for keeping your eye out. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 02:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

marijuana move

ack, thanks, i was just trying to figure out who was around admin-wise so it could be moved back . . . --Heah ^talk 02:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I was able to move it back. —Viriditas | Talk 02:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I left that guy a long note, but for some reason it dissapeared . . . Really? Even though the target page already existed? --Heah ^talk 02:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton

Stop with the knee-jerk reverts. 66.98.130.204 02:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop with the vandalism. —Viriditas | Talk 02:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

anti-consumerism

hello, justifications for the items on the template are just (loose) associations on the topic, created to replace repetitave 'see also' listings. feel free to remove ethical consumerism, thanks for good fact checking Spencerk 17:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you! Hi Viriditas/Archive 4, thank you for your support in my Rfa! It passed with a final tally of 86/0/0. If you need help or just want to talk let me know! Again, thank you! – Dakota ~ ° 22:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

cannabis cats

sure. a category for groups (eg marijuana legalization parties) would probably be helpful too. I really was quite surprised a few weeks ago when i found that there was only Category:Cannabis to cover all of this stuff, that apparently no one had started carving out relevant subcats for legal stuff . . . and i only even noticed that while fixing up Category:Psychedelic advocates and proponents . . . --He:ah? 21:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thx

Thanks. I did get confused. Too many Quatloo. Quatloo 12:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Promotion

Hi, Viriditas.

I haven't wrote to You in a long time, but I want to say I've been tracking Your activity and You've amassed well over 20,000 edits. Thought I might never be worthy Myself, I've been thinking of nomination You for RfA. What do You think -- Eddie, Friday March 10 2006 at 12:28

Thanks for the offer, but I don't need the admin tools right now. I hope everything is going well for you. —Viriditas | Talk 12:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I won't nominate You. But know that if You ran the RfA, You'd receive lot of support. -- Eddie, Friday March 10 2006 at 12:32

Tawkerbot2

It is certainly possible to run this for any language. You will need a place to host the bot though, unless you can work something out with Tawker. He can certainly fill you in on the details of what you would need to get it running. Regards joshbuddy^talk 23:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok cool. If you need any features or there is something you'd like to pick up with it please ask. I'm going to put it in a repository somewhere, so that we can all keep up-to-date on the same code base. joshbuddy^talk 23:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm running Tawkerbot2 on a surplus Intel Pentium II 300mhz processor, 512MB of PC2300 and a 6 GB HDD running Ubuntu Breezy, oh and a 10mbit network connection. It doesn't require much, network connectivity is the biggest thing. Sorry about the slow reply, I didn't notice this post for a while -- Tawker 17:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Aloha

Someone just suggested the category idea to me recently. I'm not sure what I would use it for. Plus, for numismatics, we have something like 1500 articles, and I'm not sure that that's recommended since categories update dynamically (not that I really know anything about that, but I just wouldn't want to do it without a good reason). Ingrid 03:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Socks of Shran/CantStandYa

FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Socks of Shran/CantStandYa -Will Beback 05:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

That incident report may be have been too long and complex for the AN/I. I probably should move it to Wikipedia:Long term abuse. -Will Beback 21:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Question about redheaded picture

Hi. I have responded to your question on my talk page. Michael L. Kaufman 04:07, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Han chauvinism

Could you take a look at Han chauvinism and the talk page? —Viriditas | Talk 12:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Why? I have never edited that page, nor ever written anything about the Han chinese. Lokiloki 12:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Pop-ups

Thanks for (by example) alerting me to the uses of Pop-ups! --Cubdriver 16:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Later: I hope you will pitch in at In Search of Lost Time, where I sometimes feel smothered by French professors! --Cubdriver 17:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Nancy Steinbeck

yeah, you just did the opposite of what I did at first :-p doesn't matter, the user created both, and I just picked one to redirect. cheers -- bikeable (talk) 23:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

List of environment topics watchlist

Please see my latest response at User_talk:Wavelength#List_of_environment_topics_watchlist. Wavelength 06:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help

As a new wikipedian, I request your sage help in One child policy. I have reverted that page once after I witnessed what I feel is vandalism and POV. The user has come back with the same content, plus additional opinions. Should I continue reverting, or is there some better way to handle this?

Thanks for your help, and I want to again apologize for editing the Peak Oil references without first fully recognizing their sourcing. Lokiloki 16:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Dubious

Why do you remove my changes? Those dubious claims have been there for a few days with no citations. As well, ONE of them is redundant... there are two sentences which are virtually identical. I will also point out that the {{dubious}} link claims I can remove dubious facts immediately... I did not do that, but am doing it now... these are inflammatory, uncited claims that should not be there without citations. Lokiloki 09:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Entire rewrite of A-I conflict

Mind explaining why you placed these claims? Lokiloki 10:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism

Why have you reverted all of my edits to Anti-Semitism? What Wikipedia policies have I broken?

--EatsWontons 02:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm still waiting for a reply --EatsWontons 03:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocking a user

Can you tell me the process for filing a complaint against another user, blocking them from editing, or banning them? I am tired of dealing, day after day, with a POV pusher who is constantly denying, for example, that the BBC is a neutral source, is constantly challenging every statistic or sentence I include, and who states my images are propaganda yet puts up equally provacative images. It's just tiresome, juvenile, and unconstructive. Lokiloki 11:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Systemetic left wing bias

I'm not saying that there is, and I don't think there is. I was saying that to show that people with the opposite POV as Loki are saying it. I was hoping that he would see that his complaint about systemetic right wing and pro israel bias looks kinda silly when you see both sides insisting opposite bias.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 03:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

My intention wasn't to "get back at him" or anything I just hoped it might help if he saw that people complain about the opposite thing sometimes.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 04:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

The Handover

What's the plan for the handover to the new topics? Will their be fireworks? Will the old article still claim authority? Can it be convinved to retire gracefully? Lokiloki 17:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, the problem is that the articles are becoming pretty discordant, as Humus and I are editing the temp article, and other people are editing the main article. I think it makes sense to move over now, or not at all. Lokiloki 18:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mancow

Honestly, I can't find anything either way in WP:NAME right now, but it gives no examples of using a nickname of a real person as an article, and I can't imagine that Mancow is a proper title here. I have brought it up on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions where hopefully something more definitive will come up. --W.marsh 23:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, that's an interesting point. Obviously we don't title articles about Prince, Madonna, etc. by their full real names as far as I know. If this is a similar case, then perhaps moving back would be a good idea, I must confess I've never heard of Mancow outside of this Wikipedia article. --W.marsh 23:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll trust you on this, I'd be fine with that move now, if you believe he's widely known under that name and his real name is just a footnote. --W.marsh 23:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah go ahead and move it, or let me know and I will. Thanks for your patience. --W.marsh 23:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

removal of PKD quotation

I may be a bit(?) ignorant but why are you removing the quotation? Because you dont think its relevant? (I do-and we should submit it to the editorship out there)Because you can? You like behaving without achieving consenus? What gives? Lentisco 04:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Silky Sullivan

I can't imagine why you thought it a good idea to put a fan's poem under a picture, or why you removed a quote, or why you changed the name of a heading. If you've a great reason for any of these changes, I'd like to hear about them. Seems to me after making these changes, you could have left a note explaining your intent. Or was it just a drive-by fiddle? Ki Longfellow 15:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I see you've been back making sweeping changes. Am I allowed some sort of discussion? I'd really appreciate it. I invite you to my place for a chat. 209.198.69.28 22:08, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The recent images of Silky were given me by his last owner who permitted me to use them however I wished. One is simply a scan of an old calender page, and the other is a sketch given away on Silky Sullivan days, commissioned by his owner. If you feel that the layout is more in keeping with wikipedia, then I bow to your superior knowledge of such things. My instinctive feeling is that a picture facing right should be placed on the left side of the page, and vice versa. This is keep the eye on the article rather than taking it away. I can't imagine wikipedia having a rule for placing them the other way, but if it does, it does. Ki Longfellow 22:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

But I do thank you for adding Silky to births and deaths pages...making him a "person." Ki Longfellow 22:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I would appreciate your help. There's always someone wandering around and that someone always has yet another wikipedia "rule" which often turns out to be personal taste. It's actually quite hard to get a real handle on all this without becoming totally immersed. Help, though perhaps needed, is often conflicting. Especially about images. These last images of Silky were not taken from the internet but were gifts to me by their owner who actually does own them. These, I thought, would be fine. It's a virtual impossibilty to choose which tag to award them unless one is a copyright lawyer. I will be turning the images around again. Pointing them in. I also see you've renamed my sections. "History" is nice and dry and so encyclopediac, but it's not accurate. Heavens, what a falafel. Ki Longfellow 14:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

nevermind

I moved to a Mac and the editing is different here.

Resurect of archives

Do you know how to restore the old discussion archives for AIC? Lokiloki 04:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Whirlway

The entire Whirlaway article is gone. I only gave it a photo which you questioned. I did not write the article. Why is the article gone? Fun times at Wiki High. I may get the hang of it someday, but I ain't bettin' on it. Ki Longfellow 14:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I've alerted the Wikipedia help desk to your query. Please watch your talk page for a reply from another user. —Viriditas | Talk 14:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your helpme request

I don't understand what you need help with, can you please clarify? --Spook ^{(my talk | my contribs)} 15:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Catnip

I don't mind at all when editing things. It's when people revert them that annoys me.

Could you weigh in on the infobox at Cannabis (drug)

I say it is inapropriate and inaccurate, Rory069 insists it should be there, and reverts my attempts to remove it. Discussion is here. Could you please weigh in. -SM 11:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

New Anti-Semitism

Hi, I thought that the word "claim" implies that the position held by the "claimant" is dubious and unsupported. See also [1]. Pecher ^Talk 13:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, if my edit summary pertained to your edit; no offense was intended in that case. Nevertheless, my opinion is that the use of the word "claim" implies doubt in that particular context. If you think that we can find better synonyms than "believe", I would not object to a change, but I feel very uncomfortable with the word "claim". Pecher ^Talk 13:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Category:Self-declared emperors and kings

There're people crowning themselves as emperors and kings, when their coups or revolutions were closed to be successful. Most of these people had short-live control over some certain territories, but are not recognised by historians owing to their short-live, and/or disregarded by their successors. IMHO, you should try to narrow the limit of people the category may cover. — Instantnood 18:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Buenas suerte

Take care, Eddie. I hope you decide to come back. —Viriditas | Talk 13:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not abandoning WP altogether. As I did state on My userpage, I'll still come back from time to time.  :-) Eddie, Monday April 17 2006 at 11:20 PM EDT.

Your removal of category:occultism

You removed the category:occultism from the entry for S.L. Macgregor Mathers alsmost as soon as i added it, and you used as your rational that the article was alredy listed in category:hermeticism. It is aso listed in the category:esotericism, but you did not delete that, which makes your deletion of occultism seem arbitrary. I realize that these three catgories overlap to a certain extent, but i had a good reason for adding the category:occultism tag, namely that Mathers is listed on the page List of occult authors and it i my hope to develop that list into category status in the near future. At prsent i am going through WP looking for occult authors who are unlinked to the list (i have found dozens over the course of the past couple of days). I am also making red links to authors who should have short articles but have not yet been written up. I am intending to write these short pieces soon, and welcome help. In the meantime, since there is no list of hermetic authors, i would welcome your cooperation by re-listing or allowing me to re-list Mathers in categoy:occult preperatory to listing him in category:occult authors (when it bcomes a category). What do you say? Is this feasible for you? Catherineyronwode 04:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Simonapro

If the guy, User talk:Simonapro, wants to remove some comments from his talk page he is free to do so, he has most probably read them and taken them on board. Please don't revert those edits, especially with rollback - we need an edit summary to understand why you are reverting in a case like that.--Commander Keane 21:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Unsigned message removal

Hi, considering that it's a guideline to sign one's messages, it appears somewhat inappropriate for someone to remove the unsigned notice. There doesn't seem to be a formal policy on the matter, so this is just the opinion of a few editors so far. We could discuss this further on Wikipedia talk:Sign your posts on talk pages and Template talk:Unsigned. Shawnc 22:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that users should be allowed the option of omitting signature in their own userspace. I prefer that posters on article talk pages be identified, to assist in the communication. Perhaps some unregistered users do not wish to make their IP address visible in the talk pages (even though the IP can be retrieved in the history), but this does not apply to registered users. Shawnc 01:14, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Placentophagy

I guess I can understand placentophagy being unregarded as cannibalism, even though it fits the technical definition (viz., a member of a sentient species consuming, in whole or in part, the body parts of a member of their own species). But why remove the pregnancy category? I've known quite a few new parents who greatly revered the consumption of the mother's placenta following a successful birth. And on top of that, the placenta, and therefore placentophagy, is directly related to pregnancy. Your thoughts, please. Avalyn 06:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

• hey, will you accept me as a mediator in the case of Heaven's Stairway? If so, or if not, please discuss here for the moment User talk:Irishpunktom/Heaven's Stairway - Thanks! --Irishpunktom\^talk 09:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Just another RFA thank you note

Dear Viriditas, I appreciate your vote and your kind words in my RFA. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ну? 02:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Reconciling Jack Kerouac's last years

I was reading the Jack Kerouac page (we have both made substantial contributions to it) a few minutes ago and saw where you added a few sentences in regards to Kerouac spending his last few years alone with his mother in Northport, New York. (Last paragraph of the introductory section). In the main body of the article, it speaks of him living with his mother,and his third wife in St. Petersburg, Florida at the end of his life. I'm sure he did both; however, maybe we can work together and do a better job explaining this seemingly contradictory information in the article. The resources I have reviewed (mainly old talk St. Pete Times articles) talk about his life there.--Hokeman 02:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Very good. Jack Kerouac was a restless, enormously complex human being – I know his article is mighty tough to get right.--Hokeman 03:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the kind words in regards to the list work. I'll be delighted to share any tips you may need.--Hokeman 20:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Bypassing Habitable planet

I linked about 30 instances of Habitable planet in articles. I see you have bypasse these Planetary habitability using "popups". I do not know if the change adds any value. In some cases the intended meaning might be somewhat different.

I also created a redirect from Water planet and made another 25 links. I hope you do not intend to bypass these as well. -- Petri Krohn 13:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

(Moved discussion to Talk:Water planet -- Petri Krohn 08:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC))

Mediation Case: 2006-04-27 Funeral Homes

You have indicated that you are willing to accept an assignment as a mediator. I have assigned this case to you. If you don't want to take the case on, just say so at the bottom of the request, delegate it to someone else and update the case list accordingly. Before you begin the mediation please read the suggestions for mediators. You can also review earlier mediation cases to get an understanding for possible procedures. --Fasten 06:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

NVCs

Just thought I'd let you know that I've split the US & UK NVC pages and done some associated disambig work (you have "National Vegetation Classification" on your Watchlist page - it's now a disambig page and you might want to link to the two country-specific pages instead). SP-KP 16:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Ricketts photo

Viriditas - I've asked for and received via email permission to post a photo to the Ed Ricketts article. I have posted the photo on the Ricketts page. Permission is from Pat Hathaway of California Views photo archive. Mr. Hathaway provided the image to me via email with a note allowing permission to use it. The note is informal, is not signed, and does not specifically relinquish all rights to the photo. The image includes a "stamp" identifying it as originating with California Views. Please let me know if this is acceptable to Wikipeda, or if I should ask for more specific permission. If needed, I will delete the photo. Thanks, Scott D. White 03:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I dont like being told Im a sockpuppet

I dont like being labelled a sockpuppet. Provide eveidence. And why arent you a sokpuppet for unfutz? I have my suspisions but no evidence so I dont malign people. Lentisco 04:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration with regards to User: Simonapro

Please see. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration [[[User:Simonapro|Simonapro]] 17:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)]

User page listed in Environment category

Can you remove the Category:Environment from your User:Viriditas/watchlist page? It appears in the category and I feel it is not a good look to have user pages in the encyclopeadic section. Alan Liefting 08:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-02 Chuck Berry

Hi Viriditas! Regarding this particular issue, I've spoken my mind on the talk page and have nothing to add. Unsubstantiated rumors should not be propagated by Wikipedia. Besides, I'm taking a break since my wikistress is through the roof, so whatever you decide on this issue is fine by me, just let me know. Thanks. --Dr.Gonzo 23:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think mediation will be necessary since Gonzo seems to have popped off. It also seem someone more knowledgable than either of us fixed the paragraph in a way that makes me happy and gonzo has left alone. Sorry to bother you!--Mark 2000 07:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I am up for anything. What do you suggest as a next step?--Mark 2000 07:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Removing external links section

First of all, I don't see why you're saying I'm violating WP:OWN at all; please assume good faith. The external links section was added here by an anon to link to NORML (note that only having a pro-cannabis site would be a violation of WP:NPOV). There was no previous discussion and no consensus to implement this. After that, there were several additions of spam websites, making it clear that the section would need a lot of monitoring by editors to make sure it didn't become completely full of spam. From this information, I decided to be WP:BOLD and remove the section entirely (until, of course, consensus was generated on the talk page, which would override boldness). I'm not really sure what the problem is. --Rory096 05:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

My bad :)

Corrected Judgesurreal777 22:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• • Thanks! Judgesurreal777 22:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the vandalism revert on Litre. We seem to have had an edit conflict on reverting. ;) ~Linuxerist E/L/T 02:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

1) Yes, I reverted vandalism after vandalism today, something I usually cannot do. 2)No, that is a good thing. The fastest reverted is needed, I am not bad at all! C)No, I haven't really thought about it, but I'll be glad to. ~Linuxerist E/L/T 11:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Rachel Corrie

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the user had vandalized the page. Still, I think it's a valid question, even if it was asked in an obnoxious way. Ckessler 07:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Again, I'm sorry, I missed the history. If I see this user posting more garbage, I will revert it. Ckessler 07:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Cannibis

I replied on my talk. -- backburner001 04:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Menehune

I disagree - the Menehune has cryptozoological angles and links in with Bigfoot. Small hairy hominids are also common sightings in South America where they are sometimes associated with flying saucers, as Bigfoot is associated with them in North America (see John Keel's The Complete Guide to Mysterious Beasts). There is no easy division between folklore, cryptozoology and the more paranormal aspects - if you wish to maintain a NPOV without imposing your own opinions on the subject matter then you have to include those aspects I'm afriad. (Emperor 22:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

Going by the definition of paranormal you posted on my talk page: "an observed phenomenon for which there is no agreeable rational explanation" - then they fit. They have been observed and there is no agreeable explanation. The entry itself says they are in the same league as airy folk and the Trickster both of which can easily fit int a paranormal category. I don't believe they are just legends or paranormal entities or relict hominoids but they could potentially be any one (or more) of those and until one is available for study (if that is even possible) we are going to have to define things as broadly as possible. Throwing in a category doesn't mean it is exclusively that - cryptozoology covers all possible angles from folklore to zoology to the paranormal. (Emperor 23:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

Its ironic - I state I have no belief about what they are (which you interpret as my somehow having a belief in it) and then you state "The menehune are a cultural phenomenon, not anomalous, and certainly not "paranormal". There is nothing paranormal about this article; this is the realm of history" - which shows you are the one that has clearly made up their mind. The citation for their sighting (and being hit by a car) is in one of the links I added [2]

Bottom line is I feel that, when it is unclear about the nature of the phenomena, we should try and make our classifications as broad as possible. My adding a Paranormal header doesn't mean its the only one that could be added - if you know of more that are relevant then add them in too. Or just take out the paranormal one if it upsets you so much - I am not going to lose any sleep over it. (Emperor 00:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC))

True Torah Jews

Hi, I posted a defense of the article True Torah Jews, I would like to ask you to be so kind and read it, and than rethink your position on deletion.Bloger 00:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Believe you me I would love nothing more than to Write brief and to the point but it seems that every time I Write and I don’t elaborate Extensively, people tend (sometimes seemingly willingly) not to get the point. Bloger 16:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Native American Timeline

I'm signing off too. But Wiki has these timelines as well. See also:

• Archaeology of the Americas
• Mesoamerican chronology
• Cultural periods of Peru

Best wishes. WBardwin 07:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I looked over the Template:Timeline of the Migrations Period. Very nice. While you are thinking big - and trying to gather information -- why not create one on a smaller scale? Such a chart on the Ancient Pueblo Peoples/Anasazi could include Chaco and near-by ruins such as Hovenweep and Mesa Verde. I'm no "techie" but if you have the programming skills, I can help provide the information. Think it over. WBardwin 04:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking by culture site over time. Some of these sites just begin at a given Pecos Classifacation stage and die out at another. It appears the Anasazi people were much more mobile than their stone structures lead us urban types to believe. Because of the impressive ruins, people tend to think of these people as tied to one place. However, they appear to move in response to both social and environmental conditions. So a chart would show which culture sites have which PC characteristics, along with the current date estimates. I think it would be a great "picture" of the Anasazi culture. WBardwin 07:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll look over your links and the chart and compare with my books. I think I have at least one source that will give me a good start. Chaco is probably a good timeline to start with, as it was inhabited for a relatively short period of time, although the paleo groups wandered through at intervals in the early years. Will try and dig through the books ASAP. WBardwin 07:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm reading and taking notes for the timeline, and find myself making petty little edits all over. There is no article on the southwest pit house!! Have to create that one too. The Chaco article/section on cultural development contains good dated material for a beginning or for experimenting with in a format. While I'm researching again, would you support a seperate article on Pueblo Bonito, such as the one on Fajada Butte? How many of the Chaco sites are individually notable? Best. WBardwin 18:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

created a stub for Pueblo Bonito, using the old redirect page. Lots more information available, but lots of disagreements among archaeologists too. WBardwin 03:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Celloists

I didn't create the Celloists category. But thanks for your concern. Best regards. Эйрон Кинни (t) 01:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You may be correct, but I don't know a great deal about music or cello(e)s, so you may want to consult someone else about the naming conventions. Or your could just rename it yourself. Either would be fairly efficient. Эйрон Кинни (t) 02:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Эйрон Кинни (t) 02:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

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AOL Blocking

Re: your offer of help. I appreciate the offer and I may take you up on it. But -- it will take some time. I'm dealing with company protocols and security issues, as my employer pays for and configures my system to allow me to work at home. They insist on using AOL (or a cable company not available in my area). Any software I download and any sites I have to register with must be approved by my employer first. This process is not hard but it is time consuming. To date, I've not been denied permission -- but I suspect they wouldn't like Foxfire. Will let you know if I need help if/when the approval comes through. Best wishes. WBardwin 18:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't be misled by the volume of talk about blocks on my talk page -- I can go for long periods of time without a block and then they pile up for a day or three. I was simply out of state for the last few days, giving a workshop. I am afraid, however, that the admins are getting tired of my ongoing problem. And if so, I will have to take some action. The techs I work with are reasonable souls, the personal requests just have a lower priority, rationally enough. So ------- what do you want to talk about? Timelines? Should be around for much of the week -- but have two big projects due in the next six weeks. Best wishes. WBardwin 06:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Removing ciation tags

Citations tags are to be placed on the article itself and not in the article's talk page. --Strothra 23:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

re edit summary note

Dear Veridas, thank you for the olive branch. I was very tired and rather grouchy last night. Paul B 00:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

New votes on Jewish articles

Hi Viriditas: The votes that were cast about the recent Jewish articles were stopped and relisted for a new ("2nd") vote, all can now be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewish summer camps and local organizations. Best wishes. IZAK 06:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

re:Usual Suspects

I'm aware of Wiktionary's exicornt vandal, and I've come to calling the guy here the same thing. The Checkuser I haven't heard about: got a link? Given that we know both Eddie and the exicornt vandal edit from AOL, I'm surprised that turned up anything. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Never mind... —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop removing references

Please, stop removing the references related to the Neo-Nazism in Croatia!--69.199.0.50 17:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)--69.199.0.50 17:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Moa move

I've moved the Moa talk, jimfbleak 04:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Bhadani has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

--Bhadani 14:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out

I'll put my comments at the bottom in future. All the protocol I'm trying to learn in a short time!

--Amandajm 12:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Diamond Head, Hawaii

One of the pictures on the Diamond Head, Hawaii article is up for nomination to become a featured picture! You can see the picture here. Please add a supporting vote on its nomination page here or, more specifically, here, if you feel it's worthy. Thanks for your help! Cathryn 16:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Re Viridae

Hi. Although the usernames do present a similarity, I honestly don't see any risk of confusion due to this similarity. For instance, we have recently declined a request where the user wanted a username that was taken, so he requested to be named with that username followed by a full stop (as in "username."). Naturally, a single stop sign is too small a difference and could create problems, but "Viridae" and "Viriditas" are sufficiently different. We do have many other cases where usernames are somewhat close, but not really nearly identical, and no problems have emerged. I can actually speak from experience: there are at least two users out there who have the word "redux" in their usernames, and I've never seen any problems, for myself or for them, because of that. Still, you could always try to reach an understanding with Viridae himself. If you guys can agree on it, you can contact me anytime and I will perform whatever change you guys have agreed on (I would only require the links and/or diffs to the discussions you might have had). Regards, Redux 04:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Timelines

Noticed your name on Template:Timeline of Conquests of the Ottoman Empire -- is this the style you had in mind for Chaco Canyon? Can we incorporate the Pecos Classification stages into the time axis in some fashion? They are common reference points for students and would be familiar. Working on data -- hardest points seem to be the earlier dates of occupation. Construction dates for the Great Houses are pretty well established. Best.............WBardwin 06:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Internet Counter

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I was wondering, how difficult would it be for Wikipedia to add an Internet Counter to each article so it could be seen how many people have visited that article like, for example, in the past month and/or year? It would be interesting to see that information below each article. Best wishes, Keraunos 07:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Dreamachines

Since I see you have been editing Dreamachine I though you should know that we've blocked indefinitely the user:Riefenstahl/user:Trithemian/ 84.191.xxx.xxx. In addition to his activity on that article, he also runs a business making and selling dreamachines. He was blocked for repeatedly posting personal information of an editor with whom he had a dispute. -Will Beback 19:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

KajuPista

Thanks for the welcome Viriditas & for responding to my question on the Talk:Vegetarianism page- KajuPista 09:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Post Armenian Genocide chronology

I fixed the title and I'll remember to use edit summaries. I have no idea why I placed a 1918 entry under the 19th century (I suppose I was thinking 1818 for some strange reason). I fixed that too. Thanks for spotting that. -- Clevelander 00:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I was just curious why you reverted my edit on The Case For Mars. I removed the Latin because it was unnecessary and the new edit read a lot simpler. Thanks. sinblox ^(talk) 04:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)·

Eddie

User:723b, another Eddie sock to add to the list. Nice to see you back from your wikibreak. :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 14:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for the belated birthday wishes. :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 06:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you think?

Should I care that (maybe-probably-certainly) Eddie is using us as a Yankees scorekeeping blog? Is it worth hassling about? I'm torn. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

re: Organ Stop Pizza

Whoops! Sorry 'bout that, thanks for correcting it. --Aguerriero (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

hi

you told me that my editing reminds you of some other editor named Eddie because he also like the Yankees. i want to know what he has done to you that you're concerned about him.

My page

Hey,

Just because you suspect me of being someone else doesn't give you the right to blank my page and fill it with "sock" nonsense. If you want to talk i am open to comment, but please don't vandalise my page. Go Yankees 04:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Grendelkhan's RFA

Thank you very much, that's very kind of you to say. After seeing User:Lingeron do the same to a few othe RFA's, I thought I should say something ;)

Thank you once again, it's always nice to hear from wikipedians that you havn't talked to before, and maybe should have. I'll see you round the wiki. Thε Halo ^Θ 14:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel better now

Any lingering doubts I might have had regarding that block (and I am always a doubter) have been delightfully cleared up by the ensuing spate of obvious Eddie vandalism to my user page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I think that may have unintentionally come off with a sarcastic tone. It wasn't! I don't mind my page being vandalized in the least (it amuses me, I'm simple-minded I guess) and I'm glad to know it was in fact Eddie. If the vandalism becomes too much of a pain, there's always semi-protection.

The wiktionary question isn't stupid. I have heard that what they have done is to only allow AOL connections through https: (SSL-encrypted http), which AOL handles through proxies that don't jump around nearly so much. However, Wiktionary supposedly gets a lot less traffic than we do, and those SSL connections are a much bigger drain on the servers than regular connections, so enwiki can't afford to do that, performance-wise.

We have recently been granted the ability to set a block on an IP (or IP range) that won't trigger autoblocks on registered usernames, which makes blocking AOL ranges a little less awful in the case of major vandalism storms... but for the most part, the main tool is still reversion. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

San Francisco Burrito Merger

This minimal merge that you performed is totally inadequate. It violates the principle on the merger page which say There are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there does not need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "Flammable" and "Non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on Flammability. There is too much general information on burritos in the San Francisco Burrito page. Just putting the summary on the Burrito page doesn't get to the heart of the problem here. Ortcutt 20:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Fascinating

Who would have guessed my Gumboot chiton was such a short hop away from Steinbeck? I guess learning that sort of thing is why I'm here. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Obvious?

Have a look at [3] and [4] and see if you don't see what I see. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Never, mind, it's ridiculously clear even to me. I'm writing up some evidence to post when I block. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Mission District, San Francisco

Can you please provide an external source that shows the Polish Club as a noteworthy piece of the Mission District's history? There are many important landmarks in the Mission District, but I do not believe every one deserves a place in the History section of the article. Jonemerson 18:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mesa Verde National Park

I've about typed myself blue in the face with this editor, over a very minor word change from what I can tell. Somehow, he evidently believes this guy was a paragon of virtue and a classy scientist, by virtue of his family, and that the world has attacked him for decades. He even accused me of slander on my talk page, to which I took offense. So -- if you would be so kind -- would you look over the last few edits on the article and the discussion and express an opinion. I'm not asking for agreement, just a third party. Best wishes. WBardwin 01:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I know my POV is showing on the talk page, but I've tried to keep the article as neutral as possible. As for Chaco, it appears you are really getting involved in the mixed up world of Southwest dating. I'm sorry I haven't had more time to be of help. Best.....WBardwin 05:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR violation.

Viriditas, you have violated WP:3RR at July 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting. Please revert your changes or be reported.--Cerejota 11:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

July 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting

What's the story with the "See also" section? Do Israel-Gaza conflict and Israel-Lebanon conflict actually belong there? Aren't they already linked to in the article? I am having trouble following what s/he is doing. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining all that. I compared the versions and looked at a lot of other diffs. I think that version of the intro he had was too long and it had too much information about the victims which didn't belong there. So I changed it back. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Check yours! :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

On Naveed Afzal Haq, it looks like you introduced a couple of <ref name=foo /> tags where there is no named reference to link back to. Could you have a look? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 06:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Science Fiction Studies

An article that you have been involved in editing, Science Fiction Studies, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Science Fiction Studies. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

-TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 09:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Peter Schlumbohm cleanup

Could you be more specific as to what aspects need cleaning up? The article seemed OK to me when I wrote it, and I don't intend to pore through the styleguide on a fool's errand. Richardjames444 17:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Let us form the mighty alliance once more :-)

Hi Viriditas, now i've finished all my studies as well as my other projects, i'll be back on the 'pedia as i was before, with a vengeance. I'm trying to find a relevant image to mark the occasion. Nice to be back, and nice to see you again matey :-) James S 20:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Point well taken. Although, for a while i'll be working on Medicine / Physiology / Anatomy articles as i just recently qualified as a Physician. :-) James S 22:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Please state which keep votes are made from "socks"

Answer on my talk page. I have over 6-700 edits, Subhash bose has at least 1k, D-boy has over 500. Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind the move, as long as the sock/anon note is made in bold.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Since I don't know how to make all the templates, could you also make unsigned templates for the delete votes taht match the keep ones? In the spirit of fairness of course. Though we disagree, I wish for this to be a fair vote, not a sockpuppet infested rathole (regardless of who's doing the socking).Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Good enough. I made the concerned edits to the unsigned template on the anon IP's votes. I don't have any more concerns at this point. Thank you for making the sock part bold.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you explain what "crystal ball gazing" is? I tried to think about it (I saw it on another AFD), but I'm drawing a blank.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Healthy diet

Maybe it was the sentence "Healthy diet is both a concept and a problem and only applies to wealthy North Americans...", as well a the reference to Supersize Me, that lead me to believe the article was US-centric (rather than UK-centric). At any rate, I think the article is heavily biased towards the dietary problems of the Western World, particularly the US and the UK. Although I recently read that there are now about one billion obese people in the world, I still think that the 800 million people suffering from undernutrition and hunger should be featured more prominently. Burschik 06:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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Was Atatürk a Muslim?

Thank you for your comments. I personally am not convinced that he truly considered himself a Muslim, although outwardly he made the appearance to be one (there are pictures of him praying). What his parents believed, is not relevant, in my opinion. I'll have to check his biographies for some detailed info, but the article certainly needs to address this question. Many people in Turkey believe he was an atheist. --Benne ['bɛnə] _(talk) 10:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

No bother

I am not bothering, I am speaking of a current situation

much love--Jeyler 23:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hippies

I dunno, maybe my observations are inaccurate. But the timetable is pretty telling; by 1967, "hippie" was dead for all intents and purposes, and the oldest of the boomers would only have been 22 by then. If you think it's right to characterize them in the intro as boomers, I won't argue -- that article is so god-awful that a minor quibble over 1945 vs. 1940 birthdays isn't too important. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 00:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• I'll think about it and bring suggestions over to Talk:Hippie. Thanks! --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 01:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I've answered your query on my own talk page. We really need to discuss the changes you made to the "hippie" article, because I don't believe they constitute improvements. Founders4 09:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

EddieSegoura

After today's sustained Eddie attack, I've created a LTA style page in my userspace similar to the ones on WoW, TCV and the other vandals. You can access it here. MER-C 12:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Your thoughts requested at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Dealing with EddieSegoura. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Homework

Good to see you back, Viriditas. Check out User:Axiomm and his contribs sometime and tell me what you think. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't thinking I was being ignored, no worries. Did you see User:Mostly Rainy? Yiikes! Got approved for VandalProof and got a barnstar from Phaedriel! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sequential edits to "Hippie" article

Hi Viriditas. During the past month I and several other editors (Pedant and Mombas, in particular) have carefully worked out several compromises regarding the lead to the "Hippie" article. Many of these changes were made in response to objections you registered a month or so ago. When you last entered into this discussion, you wanted citations for other items, stated differently, not the lead as it appeared (until today) in its present form.

I would appreciate it if you could make your approach a bit less precipitous. Some of what was written was sourced, and some was not--more a function of limited time than an unwillingness to do the sourcing work. To simply eliminate whole sections seems rash. And moving the Eisenhower quote and discussion of the seminal impact of the dawning of the Vietnam War to the 1963-66 section weakens the lead, making it choppy and causing a failure in transition.

Finally, fifteen or sixteen sequential edits (rather than a single edit worked out in preview) makes the changes nearly impossible to track and compare. I've reverted to a previous edit for now because I believe the article has been damaged by these edits.

Can we discuss this please and move a bit more slowly, answering your specific objections and incorporating some of the changes you have made in a more incremental manner?

Thanks. Founders4 08:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hippies

I have added a few small things to the Hippies article over the past couple of months, as well as to the article on Timothy Leary. I was one of the original hippies in San Francisco in 1967, and Timothy Leary was an acquaintance of mine, so these are subjects I know about! Keraunos 13:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Time Stamp

Could you please tell me if there is a way to change the time stamp that inserts the time when you wrote a contribution to Wikipedia to reflect the time in your own time zone, and if so, could you instruct me how to do this? Also, can the time stamp be adjusted to account for Daylight Saving Time? Thank you. Keraunos 13:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks V

Thankyou for the congrats Mr V. And thankyou so much for taking a break from your wiki-break to come back and support me. I really appreciated you doing that. :) I hope everything is good with you and that we see you back on deck soon. Cheers Mr V, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Ken Kesey and MKULTRA

Ken Kesey's introduction to LSD during MKULTRA experiments while he was a student at Stanford had a major impact on hippie history. In fact it is hard to imagine hippies becoming what they became without LSD, and Kesey was intrumental in popularizing its use. I see no justification for removing this reference--once again Viriditas, it is an arbitrary deletion. Please reinstate it. If you do not reinstate it, I will. There is no excuse for not including relevant information in the article, your own prejudices aside.Founders4 04:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I on;y reverted because you are in a dispute with another editor that involves that policy, editing a policy while in a dispute with an editor that involves that policy can (And at the time to me) look like a bad faith messure. I am neutral in this and would like to remain that way (Other than advising Pendant on how to handle his dispute). I made a suggestion for mediation on the WP:OWN talk page. It may help to calm the issue down (Of course I would not mediate it since I'm now some what involved). I would recomend for the time being that you not edit the own policy until the dispute is settled (Editing it may cause the issue to flair up something by the looks you it niether side wants). I'm not pendant advocate yet (He would more than likey as me since I'm the deputy coordinator of the AMA and he is a advocate himself. I will also bring this up to the coordinator to see what we can do to help solve this issue before it blows up). Happy Editing Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 16:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Featured list candidate

I thought you'd like to know that List of United States federal legislation has been nominated to be a Featured List. It needs 4 votes by October 2 2006.

As I have labored hard on the article, I would appreciate your looking it over. You can find a discussion here: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of United States federal legislation.

Thank you!

—Markles 23:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks, Viriditas, for your latest edits. Many of them do improve the article, as have others. My objections to elimination of the political aspect of hippie identity from the lead remain--hope we can work that out.

You are correct, of course, that The Hippie Museum is not the most impressive place from which to source. I suppose I am more concerned with the actual quality of what they have collected (generally quite high), but I do understand your concern. I am glad you will be converting the cite for Stewart Brand's 1995 essay on the libertarian aspect of hippie identity and its cultural importance--especially with respect to cyberspace. Good thing Time published it. The next time I see Stewart--probably at next month's Long Now gathering--I will consult with him for the purpose of adding to the "Philosophy/Ethos" citing. I'm sure he has written more on the topic than appeared in the Whole Earth Catalogue, and it would be great to include such references.

I initiated a request for a similar consultation with Stephen Gaskin (as you probably noted), since "conscious creation" was a frequent topic of discussion during his Monday Night Classes. Haven't yet laid my hands on his book by the same title--reference may or may not appear in this redacted version of class content.

By the way, this "we are as gods" and "conscious creation" stuff put hippies in direct conflict with traditional Christianity, especially Catholic theologeans who considered it blasphemy. (I'm sure Muslims would be even more offended.) We need a section that discusses hippies/spirituality/religion in more detail. Maybe I'll work on that next.

I found it necessary to revert GeorgeLouis' radical edit of the lead to your last edit. Hope you concur. His concerns re: sourcing echo your own. I'll try to get the page numbers you requested to you shortly. I own two copies of 'The Ultimate Frontier,' the early edition I cited and a reorganized (though unchanged) later edition. Only the later edition has an index, and about fifty pages make reference to the topic in question--unfortunately the page numbers do not correlate, so a re-read will be necessary. I briefly borrowed The Hippie Trip, so don't have it in my possession at present. Didn't note the page numbers, as I usually would in traditional footnoting, because I noticed that no one else in Wikipedia seems to do that.

It is my hope, Viriditas, that we will eventually be able to resolve our differences and mutually profit from collaborative editing efforts. Founders4 19:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

For the record, I wrote the above when I was still hopeful that collaborative editing efforts were possible. Your final acts of bad faith--accusing me of fraud after I spent an entire day adding citations you requested, in conjunction with your final disruptive edit--forced me to conclude that your actions constitute a form of trolling. You have editing skill, which I acknowledge. It is not, however, coupled with a willingness to work harmoniously with others. Founders4 17:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

By "disruption" you mean my penchant for fact and reference checking - a thankless task which uncovered misuse of citations and an onfoing culture of original research by yourself and others on the Hippie article. If demanding accuracy, neutrality, and verification are "trolling", then I suggest you have a lot to learn. Until that time comes, I will ask you to confine your comments to the article talk page, as you seem incapable of discussing the topic. —Viriditas | Talk 21:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello (Again)

Hello Viriditas, I have warned Pendent for violating WP:NPA but I must also ask to to adhear to WP:CIVIL. Some of your comments are boardline. Just wanted to give you a heads up (I don't want to see anybody blocked over this). Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 00:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Apology

I apologise for my recent boorish behaviour. It would be good if we could work collaboratively rather than antagonistically. User:Pedant 21:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. User:Pedant 02:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

fauna by state

You might be interested in current proposal to delete all the 'fauna by state' categories. So far, I am one of few to oppose this. Hmains 03:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

look at any one of the 'fauna of (state)' categories and see the notice at the top. It says see 'this category's entry' . Click on that. For some reason, this points to the wrong date of the delete list. At the left top of the delete list, see October 13; click on that. You will now see the delete list that includes all the fauna categories. Hmains 04:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

if you do not agree with the deletions, you can edit the entry on the deletion page to 'keep all' Thanks Hmains 16:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Quake

I see that you are from Hawaii and was wondering if you have any Impact pictures from the 2006 Hawaii earthquake, thanks. Hello32020 20:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Hello32020 02:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

burrito template

hey viriditas, sorry it's taken me so long to respond--i like the burrito timeline a lot. couldn't manage to place this comment on the talk page for some reason. only suggestion would be to place the taquerias, etc, geographically as well as in time, since folks who don't live in the Bay Area won't know what La Cumbre is, etc. best regards Joewright 21:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to The Prestige

I would like to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 17:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

assessment system done; still need help

Viriditas,

The assessment system for Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii is all done and 100% functional. It still needs help from 1 editor and 1 admin. Some details are on Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Hawaii. I'll fill you in on more details when you see this...--Ling.Nut 16:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

HI again,

I've already ranked [[[Hawaii]], Native Hawaiians and spam musubi, just to get the ball rolling. But what needs to be done now is:

• To do (editing):

1. Copy Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Assessment. Modify it to meet the needs of this project (esp. remove text about "needs-infobox", since this project doesn't have one; plus also alter the text about what makes something top-high-mid-low importance). Put the modified text here:
   Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Assessment
2. Do the same for Template talk:Ethnic groups; place modified version on the talk page of the WikiProject Hawaii banner.--Ling.Nut 00:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Robert Altman

I've emailed Robert to confirm the status of his images. --Salix alba (talk) 08:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

how relatively inactive?

Hi,

I just followed the link on WikiProject Hawaii's project page to vote for Hula as "Collaboration of the week".. then after voting saw the nomination was a year old.. and the Collaboration of the Week project is dead... umm.. does anyone maintain that page at all? --Ling.Nut 23:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

...Then just let me know if there's any way I can help with the updating. I've made sidebars before (see my pet project, Taiwanese aborigines), etc. I already did a little minor cleanup and added a border to the WikiProject Hawaii page...

Cheers!--Ling.Nut 01:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Article about Wikipedia Users

Hello,

I am a freelance writer working on an article about the wide array of people who make Wikipedia their life, their passion, their pastime. Wikipedia “addicts” if you will. I’m looking for people just willing to tell their story of how they got sucked into the intellectual whirlwind that is Wikipedia; how you got started editing, how the obsession grew, and what you spend your time focusing on these days? Do you write articles from scratch? Is your main push toward one particular type of article? Do you patrol for typos and errors, or spend your time diligently fixing vandalism? Do you take part in the “social aspects” of Wikipedia; engaging in animated discussions or decorating your user page with all sorts of internet memes? Have you ever forced yourself to take a “Wikipedia break”? If so, what’s your 20/20 hindsight on the obsession? Basically I’m just trying to get an idea of what it’s like for various Wikipedia “addicts.” If you are interested in participating, please email me at [email protected]

If anybody else, other than this user is interested in participating, feel free to email me as well. This article is intended to be a light informational piece, nothing too heavy or controversial, just merely introducing readers to a subculture that they likely had no idea existed. So please don’t email me with your conspiracy theories, or your grudge against the Wikipedia hierarchy… unless it directly applies to your overall experience with the site. This article is about the USERS, not about the pros and cons of the site itself.

Thanks,

Brian68.39.158.205 01:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Your break

Hey Mr V. I hope you have a safe and restful break. But don't be gone for too long! :) Best wishes, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 08:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Category

Thank you for the notice, otherwise I probably wouldn't of caught that. You're right, most weren't recipies anyway. That's right, I misspelt recipe again. ReverendG 17:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Come to think of it, you deserve one of these

For helping to make the internet not suck, I ReverendG award to you the Banner of Unsuckiness.

. ReverendG 17:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sock puppet allegation

Hi Viriditas, I thought that you should know that you have been named as a suspected sockpuppet at: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Chondrite. Chondrite 08:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Simonapro finally lost it. I see he's been blocked indefintely as well. —Viriditas | Talk 10:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Straight-shooter

I figured I'd clean up Dugout (smoking) and add Straight-shooter as an alternate term. This page adds nothing and shall be prodded. ReverendG 04:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Novels WikiProject

Hi, and welcome to the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to fiction books often referred to as "Novels".

A few features that you might find helpful:

• Our navigation box points to most of the useful pages within the project.
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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask one of the members, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget the Userbox. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Jews for Jesus

Hi and welcome to a good contender for most disputed page in Wikipedia. I'd really ask that you joing the discussion on the talk page rather than just reverting the article. The issue is being strongly debated; extra reverts don't help much.

With regards to your edit summary "..misrepresent the Jewish POV", I would hope I don't have to point out that Wikipedia is not supposed to be supporting the Jewish POV. We are supposed to be presenting the Neutral POV. Do have a look at the section where this is discussed. DJ Clayworth 15:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Writing for the enemey involves representing a POV. The edit you are defending deceptively presented a non-neutral POV as neutral by inferring that some Jews could be Jews for Jesus. Please don't bother replying here if you are going to keep playing these silly semantic games. —Viriditas | Talk 19:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Mission District references

You said the references I removed were "perfectly acceptable in this context, and serve to support the content". They're not. Did you actually look at them? I waded through pages and pages of bureaucratese and found nothing even remotely related to the statements they were supposedly referencing. It's not enough for references to be technically supportive: readers who open links like these should have some reasonable expectation of actually finding the reference in a short amount of time. That's why I removed them. +ILike2BeAnonymous 20:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You've made an error. Please review the citations again. They support the content they were referencing entirely, and they are perfectly acceptable in this context. —Viriditas | Talk 20:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The Fountain

Dude! I don't think you get it. The paragraph has a run-on sentence, and the last sentence is unclear about who actually climbs the steps -- the conquistador or the priest. Fine, I'll renege on the temple/pyramid deal, but the other stuff, you can't just revert in whole. Change what needs to be changed, because if you're gonna keep a run-on over a valid sentence, you have a problem. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 04:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

"His men are killed in battle and Tomás is captured by a crowd of Mayan warriors who spare his life, but force him to climb the pyramid." That is a run-on, son. If you're going to revert my edits, I'm going to point out each valid edit you revert on your talk page. Here's another: "Upon reaching the temple at the top, a Mayan priest stabs Tomás in the stomach." Is the Mayan priest or Tomas reaching the top? That needs to be clarified. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 04:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I suggest adding a more accurate tag to the Themes and influences section, or at least write something on the talk page about why you think it needs improvement? The clean-up template you added to the section requests either course of action to communicate with other editors what could be improved. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 16:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd still like you to add a more accurate tag or write something on the talk page for the Themes section. Otherwise, I'm just going to remove it, since you've obviously gotten this message and are preferring to edit on your own. In addition, I had the Themes and influences in one section because of sentences like this one: "Although ancient Mayan mysticism is a primary cultural influence in the film,[18] Jackman describes the story as a modern myth that helps humans understand the meaning of life. According to Jackson, these myths help explain the unexplainable, to reach a state of understanding: "These fables may not make scientific sense, but somehow they explain the world to us," which has influence and theme; and this sentence: "Director Darren Aronofsky also explores the modern theme of the Fountain of Youth; Aronofsky was inspired by an article in the New York Times that characterized aging as a disease that could be cured. In the film, Aronofsky considers the repercussions of actualizing life extension," which has theme and inspiration/influence. Where should they be located, then? I understand the reason why you broke them down, but I wanted to make clear that the actually defined themes from people who worked on the film were distinct from the reviewers' own interpreted themes. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 15:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Prestige's importance

It's got a 74% rating on R.T. and 8.2 weighted average on IMDb, so I'm unsure of a Mid. It's not flopped like The Fountain mind. Wiki-newbie 19:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the Films WikiProject!

Welcome!

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Hey, welcome to the Films WikiProject! We're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of films and film characters. If you haven't already, please add {{User WikiProject Films}} to your user page.

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There is a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

• Want to jump right into editing? The style guidelines show things you should include.
• Want to know how good our articles are? Our assessment department has rated the quality of every film article in Wikipedia. Check it out!
• Want to collaborate on articles? The Cinema Collaboration of the Week picks an article every week to work on together.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Cbrown1023 01:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

A message of appreciation is always welcome.

I haven't kept up with the lead and Themes, so I don't know that they need more than a routine copy edit. Cognita 18:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:FILMS Newsletter

The November 2006 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Cbrown1023 23:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

comments pages for Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii rankings

Hi Viriditas,

I have no objections to anything at all that you choose to do. The ranking system belongs to Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii, not to me. :-)

The cool thing about those rankings is that the 'bot picks them up nightly and puts them in the table with the rankings; see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Ethnic groups articles by quality/1 for examples (scroll down a bit; no comments on the highest-ranked articles).

Do you have a link to your summary tables on the WikiProject page? I forget...

But do whatever you want! They belong to the WikiProject..

.. do you want me to do it..? --Ling.Nut 21:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Hawaii articles by quality
• --Ling.Nut 22:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• there's also a mini-summary table — I dunno if you remember seeing it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii#Assessment_system.2C and typo on the project page — you can copy/paste it from the talk page of WikiProject Hawaii by editing the section "Assessment system, and typo on the project page" and looking for the appropriate template.--Ling.Nut 22:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Any thoughts on enabling automatic assessment of stub-class articles to populate the lists/cats like the Military WikiProject? —Viriditas | Talk 02:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. WP:AWB. --Ling.Nut 02:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter Tamony

Your main style guide should be Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies). Sometimes there may be some fine point not included there; you may wanna see WP:MOS.

Drop me a line when it's finished; I'll take a look. :-) --Ling.Nut 21:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Check your Wikipedia email :-) --Ling.Nut 01:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
• If you haven't rec'd an email yet, then just send me one. I'll send files. --Ling.Nut 01:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Advice about an obsessive updater

Viriditas, I've been impressed with your work on The Prestige and since you're a member of the Wiki Film Project I would like your advice. There were a couple spurious changes to the article's Cast list (addition of non-existent characters) which I reverted. Curious, I checked out the contributor (69.119.119.178) (I really have to check how to wikilink that!) and found a history of, shall we say, dubious edits, most regarding the Hollywood entertainment business.

A quick look at his/her edits shows that most are in the trivia category (list of films, roles, age, siblings, birthplace, etc.), but most cannot be verified (and many are erroneous). Also, contributions are voluminous, almost obsessive. I think most of her/his sources must be fan message boards or other publications; he/she also seems stalkerish about some celebrities. The user's talk page has a number of warnings about adding unverifiable entries, with accusations of vandalism. The user has been blocked a couple times, but seems to go on an editing spree as soon as the block expires.

I'm tempted to review a number of the user's edits for validity since many are in film articles, an area of interest for me, but I think if I start making corrections wholesale I'll ignite a flaming war (this user has been accused of online abuse of other Wiki contributors). Do you have any suggestions as to a productive path to pursue? I'm thinking a permanent block would be the answer, but since the user isn't intentionally vandalizing pages, I don't know if that's the appropriate route. However, does a consistent pattern of numerous, invalid edits constitute an actionable offense? Thank you. Jim Dunning 04:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii geo stubs

How did you guess about the surfing? My user page. No I created the stubs ages ago using a map because it didn't seem covered. For the points and beaches and villages I suggest as you did that a list is created of Places of Hawaii by island e.g List of places on Maui which will include beaches, headlands, villages etc. I love Hawaaii visited in the year 2000 Ernst Stavro Blofeld 10:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Unless you can find info to expand each of them then for the smaller places I dod suggest a redirect to the list.

I suggest : List of locations on Maui List of locations on Kauai etc. THis will include the headlands, beaches, smaller villages etc Ernst Stavro Blofeld 10:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

George Ewart

Hey Viri, thanks for the info. :) I haven't heard of George before, but it is possible he was very distantly related. Dad doesn't have any siblings, so I don't have many closely related Ewart rels, but there are quite a few in the very extended family. Anyway thanks for pointing that out to me, I found interesting. It's nice to see you back, but I hope you had a good break. :) Cheers, Sarah Ewart 14:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

LMAO at the section above: "Sock puppet allegation". That's the most hilarious thing I've read in ages!! I was actually laughing out loud as I read that report! I always suspected you were really Eddie's sockpuppet! :D Sarah Ewart 14:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I gave him another two months to think about it. The edits I looked at seem to be sneaky hoaxes that most editors probably wouldn't be too suspicious of if they didn't know the IP. Sarah Ewart 00:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Viri, just letting you know that I decided to extend the block to 6 months. Hopefully that'll give everyone some peace of mind. :) Sarah Ewart 03:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk page discussion

Thanks for the tip. I looked at the two pages you linked to and posted on the second one. S.E.'s talk page is really the main place where this discussion has gone on, so I don't know what else to use for it.

Proposing deletion isn't an issue now. The article about Z.T.E. had an AfD discussion some time ago, and the decision was "Delete." Cognita 22:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This page links to the AfD discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zach_Tyler_Eisen

I understand that, in general, straying conversations on someone's talk page would be inappropriate. Since S.E. is the admin who last dealt with Z, however, she may be the best person to follow the discussion about what he's been doing. His article makes it easy to find out his little sister's address and phone number, assuming the girl is real – I say this because he makes up other kinds of things. His own and his parents' privacy is also a concern. How can we get the article deleted, as it was supposed to be? Cognita 00:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: If you meant that in this case it's best to post such comments on the talk page of Z's article, I'm afraid no admin would see them there. And, among the many things I don't know about Wikipedia, I don't know whether a blocked user is blocked from reading or only from editing. He's less likely to find me on someone else's talk page than on the talk page for his article. I'm trying to keep a low profile. With his history of vandalism, if I stuck my head out of the burrow, I could expect reprisals when his block expired (by the way, I think two months is too short and two years would be better). Cognita 01:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I was being fiercely protective, too, only with a different target. S.E. has taken care of the problem for now. I guess we're clear for another six months. Cognita 06:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

<copied from Cognita's page by Sarah>You did everything right, it's just that I've seen Sarah's talk page get so busy in the past, I felt bad for her, and I thought we could help cut down on her clutter by keeping the discussion somewhere else. You wouldn't believe how busy her talk page gets. It's clearly not my role to control entropy (or to pretend that I'm her secretary, heh). —Viriditas | Talk 07:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Viri. I do, most sincerely, appreciate you looking out for me. :) It's very nice to know that I have friends behind me. And I don't mind you being my secretary--I can send you some typing to do! ;) Sarah Ewart 13:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 18:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Creating user sub-pages

Viriditas, how do you create User sub-pages, such as your /to-do page? Thank you in advance? Jim Dunning 06:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VII - December 2006

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This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 23:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The Fountain for Review

Since you edited tremendously on The Fountain to improve the wording of the film article, I thought your insights would be helpful in its review of the recent GA status. I've attempted to address the wording on the article, but if you have any suggestions or ideas, feel free to share them or edit accordingly. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 15:52, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

WatchlistBot

I don't know what happened at the bot requests page. Some sort of odd caching thing I guess. Anyway, I'm caught up with other stuff, and could help with Hawaii if you want. My bot's pretty primitive really. I don't get any info about how active articles are, or even if they're new. I know there are ways to get some of that info through the toolserver, but I'm not familiar with that. You might talk to User:interiot who had some similar ideas for WatchlistBot and also has experience working with the toolserver. I'm not spending much time on wikipedia these days, but I find small WatchlistBot jobs to be entertaining. I did tag all Hawaii-related categories awhile back when I was testing that as a new feature. At the time I noticed that there were a lot of untagged articles. I posted to the project page to ask if anyone wanted me to tag them, but got no response. This is something the bot is already set up to do, and I could do it easily if you're interested. I could do this for just stubs and stub categories, like you mentioned, or for the whole project. Ingrid 21:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm tagging completely untagged stubs right now. When it's done, I'll add the class parameter to unclassed stubs. After that, I can look into the other things you suggested. Can you tell me specifically how to determine those things (cleanup, merge, etc). I can easily find articles which contain a specific template, or which are in a specific category. Finding overlap is also easy. That is, articles which are in a Hawaii category and tagged with a cleanup template. Or in a Hawaii category and also in a cleanup category. Ingrid 04:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I just started working on cleanup tags for Hawaii articles. It's not as easy as I'd hoped. There are a _lot_ of clean up categories, making it take a long time. Not necessarily a problem for a bot, but it makes it slower to test, and sometimes the bot crashes in the middle of a run. Probably not anything I can't work through, but I'm not sure when I'll get it finished. If you had a shorter list of categories, that would probably help. Ingrid 22:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

PocKleanBot

Well, I think we knew that would happen. Nobody likes a nag! :) Listen, I think there is still a need for this bot if you go with my original idea concerning WikiProjects. Instead of leaving messages on user talk pages, you could update WikiProject categories, tables, and discussion pages. Certain users could sign up with you to get detailed reports, and if necessary use the information to contact editors on a human to human basis. We need this bot, but we just need to put people on the frontline, not automated messages. I have to run right now, but when I return I will try and go into more detail. —Viriditas | Talk 22:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks, I've withdrawn the bot and I'm going to move on, too many people had too many colourful ocncerns about this bot. It's too much hard work this way trying to get a bot through approval etc. It really did surprise me how irate some people got about a small message left with good intentions on their talk page. I'm going to just volunteer my services at "bot requests" from now on and develop any bots people want making on the proviso that they get the bot approval and I'll do the coding for them. I hate getting dragged into debates. I like writing wikipedia articles and I life writing bots, but I hate getting dragged into justifications for both so I'll stay clear as far as possible :-) - PocklingtonDan 22:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

...for all your hard work, and for dealing gracefully with all the flak you have received over PocKleanBot. I still think we can accomplish your noble goals by diffusing articles marked for cleanup into the relevant WikiProject categories, which should be contained under Category:Wikipedia cleanup categories (but most are not yet listed). WikiProject Hawaii, for example, would like to have a cleanup table updated based on article categories, and reports generated on a weekly basis for newsletter distribution. A WikiProject cleanup taskforce could opt-in to receive these updates or just view them on a project page. The cleanup process could benefit from this bot. I think this bot can also be used as an opt-in feature, similar to SuggestBot. For example, a cleanup task force could opt-in, and your bot could scan their edit contribs for similar articles needing cleanup. Or, Wikipedians listed by interest could put their money where their mouth is, and opt-in to cleanup articles based on that criteria. Any way you choose to do it, as long as you give the user the option, it will be successful. Unfortunately, automatic unsolicited talk page messages go against the prevailing culture of Wikipedia, and due to human psychology, nagging has a negative perception. I share your desire to speed up the cleanup process, and I hope we can work together to achieve those goals. Please don't take any of this personally; consider this failed bot run as an opportunity to improve your bot. We need you, and as your bot approval page demonstrates, you have support. Again, your efforts are greatly appreciated. —Viriditas | Talk 03:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments but I've taken too much heat over this one and I'm just not interested in continuing with it - PocklingtonDan 08:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Canvassing

In MY opinion, I think you're okay with contacting the members of a Project because they've signed up for the project, so it's like an opt-in, which is different from PocklingtonDan's bot, which was contacting people whether they had indicated they were interested in being contacted or not. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

small option of template

Viriditas,

The option to change the template size is becoming quite popular. I could arrange it so that the current version is completely unchanged, but an option for a smaller version is possible. I'm working on a small option at Talk:Popora people. Compare that to what you see on Talk:Hoanya people. The difference is that one has the small=yes option set (but that version is not done yet...)

I've already added a couple tags to the Hawaii template (before I saw your comments). It's very far from finished though.

Later --Ling.Nut 01:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

please do not remove merge tag from cannabis (drug)

Hi, I noticed you removed the merge tag. Please do not remove it to allow discussion of the proposed merge on the Talk page. Cannabis is not a drug, it is a species of plant. The drug THC is contained in the cannabis plant. --Bill Huston ^(talk) 11:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Political Cooperative

I am not sure if this is the correct place to leave you a message, but I was wondering if you can femove the tone tag from Political Cooperative?

Pco 15:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ethiopia

Thanks for this i wil look into it, i am still learning about this wikipedia stuff. thanks i just joined--Halaqah 23:15, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Zionism and Racism

I have reviewed all policies. Please discuss your issues with each citation I inserted individually if you have any real debate over my content in this article. Otherwise, you are making baseless accusations. The article is about zionism and racism... get it?

Thanks. Pco 14:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

SarahEwart protected my userpages

Please unprotect them as I'd like to remove the suspected sockpuppet template accusation which is unfounded and included no evidence. Canuckster 14:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Have you tried to work something out with Sarah directly? Although the two of you might disagree on issues, she is very reasonable and fair. —Viriditas | Talk 14:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

That's your opinion but I find any contact with her by me results in a insulting comeback (usually calling me Ottawaman)from her. You said on my talk page; " If you have any further concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me" so that is what I am doing. You seemed to support her control of her user space so I was hoping you would have the same view of my user space (that I could have some control over it) and since you got involved before on her behalf I hoped you would do so again on my behalf. However, I will assume your interest and involvement is one-sided (imo) and you will choose to leave my user space page protections in place. I will look elsewhere for help in this regard.Canuckster 15:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)