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2011–2012 Bahraini uprising

I removed the tag. The article looks a lot better now. Nice work with it. Cheers. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikinews

Hi, Bahraini Activist, I've been trying to improve your Wikinews story and get it published. I hope you write again at Wikinews! It's a little bit different system and culture than here. I hope that news process doesn't discourage you. The basis of your last article was good. If you want to continue, I'd be happy to help you out. All the best, Crtew (talk) 05:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I will continue. It's just that I couldn't find time to re-write the article. This is a great opportunity for me and I appreciate it. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 05:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising

Hi there. Unfortunately the infringement was so pervasive that the article had to be blanked. I encourage you to work on a new version by following this link. The previous version of the article is still available in the history. Once the new version is checked and cleared, an administrator will delete the original article and move the rewrite there. The standard notice below has more information for you. Voceditenore (talk) 16:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, the article itself won't be deleted for at least 7 days, so you have plenty of time to work on the re-write. Just make sure that you don't repaste the copyright material into your draft on Wikipedia while you are working on it, even temporarily. You'll also find the guidance at WP:Close paraphrasing helpful for the re-writing. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
It was my mistake in the first place, I tend to be lazy sometimes, and I think you handled it appropriately (I didn't panic like last time when one of articles written by me was tagged for deletion). I have started rewriting, but I must say that I can't rewrite some sentences, because this could change the meaning. I will put them in quotes, since rewriting may change the legislative meaning (e.g. "similar manner of abuse" may not mean "systematic abuse"). Bahraini Activist Talk to me 17:08, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
I took a quick look at your progress, having seen the case flagged up at DYK. The section 'Specific techniques of mistreatment' copies the entire structure of the source, including the title, and each of the sub-section headings in the same order. Also much of the text in each individual sub-section remains too close to the original, very close in some cases. I wanted to point this out before you go any further. You need to rework the material in such a way as to present the same information, but without keeping so close to the original structure of the source. I know that this is much easier to say than to do, and is a problem that all wikipedia editors face, particularly when there is only one main source of information. I will try to come up with some suggested alternative text for that section (or at least make a start), but I'm currently fighting jetlag and have to go and do the dayjob tomorrow, so this may not happen until tomorrow evening my time (UTC). Please prod me if I haven't responded by this time tomorrow. Mikenorton (talk) 22:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for notifying me and for any help you intend to do. There are other sources for deaths, which will hopefully make work easier there. I hope I'll be done when you come today and will only have to make a review and small tweaks. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 05:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
This is my suggested alternative for the mistreatment techniques section - I've changed the section heading, altered the order and tried to just summarise each technique, although some of the original text is obviously still used

Mistreatment techniques

It is claimed that a number of particular techniques were used in the mistreatment of detainees, during their questioning by the Bahraini authorities, in order to gather information or to induce confessions. The techniques included:

  • verbal abuse, particularly involving denigrating remarks about the detainees religion or family members
  • the use of tight blindfolds and handcuffs
  • long periods of solitary confinement
  • sleep deprivation, keeping detainees awake with cold water, beatings and the use of loud noises
  • forced standing, often on one leg
  • regular beatings, on the back, the head and the soles of the feet, detainees were blindfolded so that they could not identify who was responsible
  • use of extreme temperatures
  • suspension by ropes in painful positions
  • rape threats against the families of detainees
  • the use of electric shocks and burning by cigarettes in a few cases
  • sexual abuse
  • various other types of degrading treatment including mock executions.

I often find it helps to start out with a summary, possibly adding back in other information later with quotes where paraphrasing is difficult. Mikenorton (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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Same with Public_Security_Forces. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Problems with the rewrite

Unfortunately, I have had remove almost all of it today. It still consisted of verbatim paste and/or very close paraphrasings from the source documents. For example, see the duplication detector report comparing the WP text to one of the source texts (Bahrain: the Human Price for Freedom and Social Justice). [1] The other source [2] which accounted for the bulk of the infringement on is too long for the duplication detector and had to be checked manually.

You must read WP:Close paraphrasing before proceeding any further with the draft. Note also:

More tips on how to approach the rewrite
  • Don't copy the material verbatim and then start changing a few words in it or moving the phrases around. First of all, this will almost always result in paraphrasing which is so close that it is a copyright infringement. Secondly, if you just change a word to a similar word, you risk distorting the meaning completely and making the article confusing or even wrong.
  • Instead, read the material. Digest it. Internalize it. Make sure you understand the outline of the subject well enough to explain it out loud to another person without looking at your sources.
  • Then make an outline of the facts only—no adjectives, no phrases, just the facts.
  • Now attempt a draft of the topic, just using your outline, preferably after not having looked at the source material for a few days. This will force you to write it in your own words — it's just too easy to be tempted to copy the perfect phrases that are found in professionally written material.
  • Draft your article gradually rather than rushing to get it into Wikipedia. This approach will result in more interesting and coherent content. It also allows you the time to review your work carefully for potential copyright violations.
  • Try to get help from several editors with the rewrite, especially ones who are experienced Wikipedia article contributors.

– Voceditenore (talk) 10:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I haven't had time to look in detail at the re-write (Talk:Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising/Temp), but from a spot checks, it still has considerable problems of verbatim pasting and very close paraphrasing from the sources. Just one example:
The Wikipedia article:
When the family were finally able to see the body the next morning, the uncle reported via the lawyer Hanan AlAradi that there are clear marks of torture on the victims head and neck. There are also cigarette burns on his arms and bruises on different parts of the body.
The source:
When the family were finally able to see the body this morning, the uncle reports via the lawyer Hanan AlAradi that there are clear marks of torture on the victims head and neck. There are also cigarette burns on his arms and bruises on different parts of the body.
- Voceditenore (talk) 09:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
I have fixed the problem in the example you pointed out. If you could just point out where other CV issues are, this can be dealt with swiftly. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 12:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm afraid they cannot be dealt with swiftly. All you did was change a few words around or leave a few out. That whole Deaths section will need careful scrutiny before the article can be moved, and because you added so much pasted copyright material to the draft, many of its revisions may have to be deleted. I don't have time to go over it carefully now and won't until next week. However, I have left a note at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2012 February 19 that there is re-write but that it still needs to be very carefully checked before it can be used. Frankly, I'd remove all the "case histories" from the Deaths section. The detail is excessive and probably unnecessary at this point and given your continuing problems with close paraphrasing and copying, I very much doubt if you will be able to repair it adequately on your own. Voceditenore (talk) 08:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Update - I've repaired the Yousif Ahmed Muwali section to give you an example of how to approach this if you still want to keep the individual "case histories". Observe the changes I made [3]. Trying to put too much detail into them instead of simply relating dispassionately the key points, will almost invariably lead you to close paraphrasing from sources. Voceditenore (talk) 08:51, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry for tiring you with me. I have made one more edit, in which a friend of me has helped me in the re-write, this includes edits to all parts of the article, and even those cleared of CV. Should have fixed all CV issues. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 10:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Greetings

Salam, user Bahraini activist. Just for curiosity, how's the situation about the Bahraini revolt? In my other page regarding the Yemen Revolution, Saleh finally steps down yesterday. 60.49.60.158 (talk) 07:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Salam, It's stuck here in Bahrain; the government is not willing to meet protesters demands and protesters are not giving up. No dialogue is going on. Opposition parties keep making 2-3 legalized sit ins and marches a week in areas away from the capital (they are not allowed to into the capital) which are usually attended by tens of thousands. Youth groups such as February 14 Youth Coalition keep organizing daily protests in villages attended by hundreds, which usually end with clashes with police using Molotovs. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 07:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry. The rebellions takes over the Habib Bourguiba Avenue, Tahrir Square, Martyr Square and the Change Square, certainly one way or another, Bahrainis can return back to the Lulu Roundabout. But I doubt the king will introduce his " Constitutional monarchy", just like Bashar al-Assad's reformation. But I was sad that while Souria Revolution gets worldwide attention, the Bahrain Revolt were treated as its Hizbollah terrorist funded the unrest, and gets very low media coverage on that. What say about this?

And do you have Syrian friends on your life? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 08:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it's sad that many people don't know much about Bahrain. This is because most Arab media is controlled by Gulf monarchs who have clearly supported the Alkhalifa government both politically and materially (tear gas, arms, man power, etc). Also countries like UK, USA and Turkey supported the regime. These same countries are the ones standing with Syrian revolt which clearly shows that they don't care about people or democracy; they just care about their interests, and people are the victims.
About lies about ties with Iran and Hezbollah, if these were true we'd be armed and actually defending our selves instead of just protesting, getting injured, women getting attacked by Pakistani police and the most anyone can do is document the case or throw some Moltovs (which hardly can hit target let alone infecting any injuries) I really don't bother even speaking with anyone who does actually believe that, because it tells me he or she is not using their brain and are probably full of sectarian agenda.
I have many Arab friends including Syrians. One funny thing is that I only knew that there were Shia in Syria after the uprising began.
There is one thing I forgot to mention, which is the excessive use of tear gas. Police fire really large amounts of it as collective punishment if any protest is going on, even after everyone gets home they just keep firing and firing. This has led to many deaths, many of them were documented, but many peiple are afraid to speak up. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 09:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not an Arab, but I don't know if you went to the AngryArab blog site, you can see that Syrians actually are the double victims from both the regime and the opposition. The real Syrian Revolt chanted "Silmiyah! Silmiyah!" and they prefer to continue their non-violent revolution. It's not that I'm against the Syrian revolt, and of course I still support the overthrow of Hamad and Bashar, but because too many people focus on Syria, so I decided to support your revolution for now.

This just show the hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia and the United States, parallel towards Iranian and Russian towards the Syrian regime. I came from Malaysia, my dumb and increasingly unpopular 50 years of the ruling regime who sents our "peacekeepers" in your country to help suppress the revolt. You know what's worst? People cried about Palestine and now Syria, but they don't know anything about Bahrain, and of course the king who ruled the country for 200 years.

I was in Facebook earlier and I chat with a friend talking about the Arab Revolt, he has a Saudi friend who hates Yemen simply because it has turn into republic and the country was poor as shit. Do you support the Yemeni Revolt and do you think Saleh ouster will further boost the revolt in Syria and Bahrain? At least I'm glad the revolt arrived in Qatif and Awamiyah. 60.49.60.158 (talk) 09:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Of course I support the Yemeni Revolt, but I don't think ousting Saleh will have much influence here. Many people see what happened in Yemen as "going around" the goals of Revolt. This is supported by the history in Bahrain when in 2001 the king promised to make change (constitutional monarchy + restore the constitution of 1973), released political prisoners, allowed those exiled to return.. etc. Those changes were promised in the National Action Charter of Bahrain which was voted in favor by 98.4% of people. Back then people in Sitra -which is now called the capital of the Revolution due to it's prominent role- carried the king's car over celebrating the "new era of reform". What actually happened in 2002 is a new constitution written exactly to suit the king and the ruling family with a parliament full of Gerrymandering and no power (it can't elect PM or ministers). The king continued to hold full power; he's the head of the judiciary, head of army, appoints PM and ministers and appoints the upper half of the parliament. All major political naturalization, corruption, land theft and discrimination occurred in his era. So I wouldn't be really optimistic unless all leading army and political positions are cleared of Saleh's relatives and corrupt party.
Qatif and Awamiyah are effected very much by Bahrain due to the strong ties they share. Both of them were once part of a larger region known as Bahrain (historical region) and they are also Shia who share similar dialect. Protests started there since March 2011, but I don't know what happened, till recently when there were some deaths. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 12:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

If Sitra is the capital of revolution then you Bahrainis must have refer that as your "Benghazi"?

There are people from the opposition sides has been calling for reform, and the others are calling for the overthrow of monarchy. Who exactly are calling for reform and who exactly are calling for the abdication of the monarchy? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 03:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

No, it's just Sitra; it's been mentioned in many revolutionary songs. Most of those killed belong to it.
Opposition parties:
  1. Reform: These parties call for real root changes in Bahrain to make it a constitutional monarchy, they've expressed these demands in Manama Paper. All of those parties are registered under the "societies law" (but they want it changed) and have led huge marches in February/March 2011, but stopped during the emergency period and started organizing marches/sit in after the end of emergency period. They include the main opposition and Islamic party, Al Wefaq National Islamic Society, the biggest secular society, National Democratic Action Society and 3 more relatively small parties: Progressive Democratic Tribune, Nationalist Democratic Rally Society and Al-Ekha National Society. During 2002 elections only the smaller parties contributed and won some seats, while Al Wefaq and NDAS as well as other parties calling for the fall of regime boycotted. In 2006 and 2010, Al Wefaq participated and won 65% votes, yet only 18/40 seats due to Gerrymandering (the other 40 seats of the upper house are completely appointed by king) - no other opposition party could win any seat. The head of NDAS Ibrahim Sharif, a Sunni is arrested, sentenced to 5 years. 2 former MPs of Al Wefaq were arrested, now both released. Also there is a youth group which organized car protest in Manama in September call February 14 Youth Movement.
  2. Fall of regime: These parties call for a republic or for the right of self determination. On 7 March 2011, 3 unregistered parties, namely: Haq Movement, Bahrain Freedom Movement and Al Wafa Islamic Party announced forming the "Coalition for Republic" calling to form a secular republic in Bahrain. Heads of Haq and Al Wafa were arrested, while BFM are based in London, but all of them were sentenced to life prison. February 14 Youth Coalition which is lead by anonymous activist calls for the right of self determination and has led huge marches to strategic places during February/March 2011, but since the emergency law they weren't able to organize marches in Manama and have resulted to burning tires on main highways and protests in villages as well as the famous return to Pearl roundabout marches (which is almost the only activity for them in Manama).
  3. Unclear: It's not clear what Islamic Action Society wants; it's registered, but didn't sign Manama paper, but still it sometimes participates with other parties in their marches. Half of it's leading board were arrested, some sentenced to life prison.
  4. Human rights activist: They don't have political goals, but since 2-3 months ago they started organizing weekly protests in Manama. They are led by Nabeel Rajab and other member of Bahrain Center for Human Rights. Their protests in Manama might be the biggest in center of Manama (but not outskirts of Manama) since March 2011.
For more info about opposition parties, you can read this report. You can also check other reports found in Human rights reports on 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 06:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I forgot that Nabeel Rajab has called for resignation of king Hamad (and not the whole monarchy) just 2 days ago. Bahraini Activist Talk to me 07:09, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Given that you speak about the king not willing to make dialogue, do you think there are still hope that he could revive it again? And also, any other foreign parties besides the new Tunisian President Moncef Marzouki and Iran-led Shia activists call for downfall of the monarchy?

Should if (hypothetically speaking) you are the new leader of Bahrain after the so-called "post-Khalifa" era, what kind of new foreign policy you want to modify? Or should it return it to normal? 60.49.60.158 (talk) 08:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

The government is willing to make a dialogue, but one like Bahrain national dialogue, where opposition parties are under represented and without making any real concession. Thus opposition parties have set a number of pre-conditions such as the release of political prisoners (which was already recommend by BICI report). Those who call for fall of regime refuse any type of dialogue with government. In my opinion any future dialogue will have to be paired with big political changes even before it begins.
I haven't tracked much of the foreign statements about the uprising, so I can't answer this question.
That question is hard and needs long time to think. But if you asked about what will Al Wefaq's (the most popular society that will probably win elections) foreign policy be, I'd say they'd keep close relations with US, seeing they have monthly or so meetings with US officials. But they stated they'd put the US 5th fleet treaty on referendum. In Bahrain during the 1980s, the 1990s and even parts of the 2000s, the chant "death to America" was very common, but it stopped for a long while, only to return in minor protests in 2011-2012. If I remember correctly, one member of a small party allied with Al Wefaq stated 2 weeks ago that if US doesn't change it's policy towards Bahrain "we'll bring back 'death to America' slogan". Honestly, I see the genuine reasons which led to the trouble between US and Iran after the revolution of 1979 present in Bahrain (with many differences). Bahraini Activist Talk to me 11:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


Death toll at the "List of modern conflicts in the Middle East"

Dear user, as a recent contributor to the List of modern conflicts in the Middle East, you have several times updated the death toll of the Bahraini uprising. I would like to ask you to accordingly update the "combined casualty toll" of the entire Arab Spring (the added numbers of Arab Spring events across Middle Eastern countries), when updating the death toll for Bahrain. Thank you.Greyshark09 (talk) 14:25, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure, will do so in the future, sorry for any inconvenience. Mohamed CJ (talk) 14:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Mohamed Albuflasa, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to contain material copied from http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/06/bahrain-sunni-detainee-still-held-under-mysterious-circumstances-.html http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/03/10/bahrain-explain-protesters-detention and possibly others, and therefore to constitute a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policies. The copyrighted text has been or will soon be deleted. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with our copyright policy. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators are liable to be blocked from editing.

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There is more detail about the problem on the article's talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Bahraini Activist. I have noticed several articles you have created or significantly edited have copyright issues. I read your conversation on Nikkimaria's talk and see you were mistaken. That's okay, problems happen. I made the same mistakes when I was a new user. I strongly urge you though to clean the articles up or much of the text will be removed and some might be deleted. It is better to clean up the old problems instead of working on new articles. Other editors will have to clean it instead. If the problem with you editing was profound enough and even continues, a CCI may be opened and you could be blocked. If you need any help with this or have any questions, please let me know. You are a valued contributor to Wikipedia but there are some issues that need to be rectified.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey NortyNort. Thanks for caring to post here. I need help with two things, the first is the duplication detector. How do you usually use it? and how many copied words would be a CV? It would be much better if I can check and review my edits before anyone else does. The second thing, if an old article had a CV problem such as Mohamed Albuflasa and it was resolved later, could this article be nominated for DYK? and what about articles tagged with close paraphrasing such as Casualties of the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising and February 14 Youth Coalition? If so, then would it be fine if I cooperate with you (or anyone else) so that 2-3 articles are cleaned weekly, but only after tagging them with CV so they can be nominated to DYK? Thanks. Mohamed CJ (talk) 06:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Also, I understand that close paraphrasing (CP) is a type of CV, but it's not as big problem as when whole text is copied. When tagging articles, what would be the line between complete CV problem and CP? Mohamed CJ (talk) 06:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
The Duplication Detector is pretty easy to use, in "Document 1 (URL):" paste the web-link to the Wikipedia page and in "Document 2 (URL):" paste the link to the webpage or file you want to compare it to. You can then edit the number of matches below (I usually use the default). After that, hit "Compare". The DD then shows matches of text between the two in bold. Here is a sample of the Bahraini Uprising casualties with one of the close-paraphrased sources. The matches are bolded but always look at the un-bolded text surrounding the matches. You can see that although some of it isn't exact, it is much similar. That is still close-paraphrasing. What is a problem and what isn't is up to the judgment of editors but sentences written similarly and with a few words that match (with the exception of names, places, titles, etc.) is cause for concern. In cases of close-paraphrasing copy and paste, the best thing to do is completely re-write the text. Moving it around and tinkering with the existing words won't help. Also, the DD won't pick up all close-paraphrasing incidents. There could be no matches but the sentence is a derivative of the original copyrighted text. Example (but not limited to): "John happily walked to the store in 1906 and bought 25 tomatoes with his money." can be close-paraphrased to "A happy John walked into the shop and purchased 25 tomatoes in 1906." Close-paraphrasing might not seem as bad as copying and pasting but both can be copyright violations in the same respect, if the source is copyrighted like most are.
As far as DYK, if the article is cleaned and still meets the time and length thresholds, it should be eligible for nomination. I wouldn't worry about that now though, the articles need to be cleaned. I know it is a buzz-kill to go back and work on articles. Most are listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems. I am not sure how many there are but cleaning as soon as possible is optimal as opposed to 2-3 a week.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation and examples. I think you missed my second point. The question about DYK is because I want to use it as a further motivation to review all the articles and not leave any behind. I remember reading somewhere that it's alright to nominate an article for DYK even if it's old (more than 5 days) if it had a copyright violation that have been resolved recently, but I couldn't find it when I searched again. The 2-3 articles a week is just an example, and to be honest, it's to stay on the safe side so that I don't break any promises. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
DYK is usually pretty flexible and I have seen some old nominations get approved there. It is up to the folks there and the reviewer. If it is a week or two old at nomination I don't see a problem.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

General Bahrain

Dude the Bahrain football articles needs to reflect the shit going down (btw- thrashed india in AFC ;)).

Ayat Al-Qurmezi is beautiful...ms universe to me with education and morals ;) want to make her my wife ;)
Btw- you need a flag emblazoned like my user page... + lets get a screen cap from Shouting in the Dark much better than the current picLihaas (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm not watching those articles, can you list them for me? Too late for you, Ayat Al-Qurmezi is married. She's been married for months; when she was released, many were thinking exactly like you heheh. The flag can be good for the talk page, user page is already full (unless I take down an image). Get a cap for the article's main picture, ya? Do you like specific moments from Bahrain: Shouting in the Dark? When do they appear? If there are free alternatives, wouldn't that go against "fair use" or whatever it's called? Mohamed CJ (talk) 07:33, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Some expansion to the main Bahrain football page and the footbellers involved in the revolution would so it.
Pity i was slow ;(
The fabricated confessions are notable there and the ending gives info on what happened. There are other poignant pmoments of the cunter attacks at the university and hspital from the govt vigilantes in planclothes , not to mention the hodres of pakistanis etc . As for the confessions once can easily tell its faked as in Ayat's sudden change in tone, etc. Not to mention the idiotic attemtp to malign Mattar Mattar.Lihaas (talk) 15:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I will add that to my 'to-do' list. About the film, I'm downloading a higher quality version right now and should get captures hopefully tomorrow. Mohamed CJ (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Re:Question

Salam y'akhi. Your question is a tricky one for me to answer and I suggest you also ask other admins or noticeboards for advice as well. Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard could be of help. I anticipate your biggest problems will be notability and the risk of "Bahrain and apartheid" being deemed a fringe theory. While the Bahraini government's ill treatment of the native Shia majority is well-documented as systematically discriminatory and highly exclusive, I personally have never heard the term apartheid used to describe it versus, say SA's treatment of the native black population or Israel's treatment of Palestinians. I'm certainly not the only one whose never heard the term and that could be, in part, because Western media and political analysts have ignored Bahrain's policies or just haven't found them reaching the apartheid caliber. Therefore, a high number of RS's (including from a non-Bahraini perspective) would be needed to support your planned article. For instance, the Israel and the apartheid analogy article has some 300 citations. Working on the article in your own user space is the good move because you could have experienced and neutral editors and admins check it before moving it to mainspace. There's not really a problem with using info from the deleted article as long it's material backed by an RS. At the end of the day, I could almost guarantee an editor will nominate it for deletion. However, if it truly is a notable topic that's the subject of a decent amount of mainstream RS's and all viewpoints are properly and neutrally discussed, there's a good chance it won't be deleted under your proposed title. I don't know if I was of any help so, again, I recommend you ask others for advice if you haven't already. Regards, --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:36, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

John Timoney and Zainab Alkhawaja

Don't abbreviate "Wikipedia" as "Wiki"! There are other wikis out there – Wikipedia is just one of them.

Hi BA,

Just wanted to let you know I'm back on the Wiki, and got on another Bahrain kick this morning, expanding Zainab Alkhawaja and John Timoney. If you want to take a glance over either and let me know what sources I'm missing, I'm always grateful for the help. Glad to see you're still expanding our content on this vital topic! Khazar2 (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello there,

Welcome back, your edits are very much needed and useful. Since you're back and find okay to treat you as a newish user,[4] I've placed a "daw" tag :) I've made some comments at the article's talk pages. Mohamed CJ (talk) 21:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks. Khazar2 (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Prisons in Bahrain

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RE: Bloody Thursday 2011

wo! thats a massive article. Off the bat it needs some rerganisation first (the massive quotes should be cut). Details should become "Incient"/"Raid" Government account should be a subsection. Aftermath can come below casualties and merge reactions including domestic and international using subsectionsLihaas (talk) 15:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. About the quotes, should I summarize them and remove all boxes or simply just summarize? Also feel free to take necessarily actions to improve the article. Mohamed CJ (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I think you should keep some of the quote boxes, they definitely add value to the article. It might be a good idea to remove a few of them however. By the way, why has the worst pictures been removed from the article? SatenikTamar (talk) 07:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
That's what I did. Pictures which I though would have some copyright problems were removed and they were also removed because they're graphic. Mohamed CJ (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Im kinda busy with some other article (and have a FA to get to). But yeah i think you should shorten the quotes...maybe just 1 in a box.
Per the AlJaz doc, i like to watch it sometimes for said purpose...makes me angry too at the hypocrisy...support Syria and Libya and shit but here...nothing! even the scene they showed obama (hypocrite #1) talking of libya and nothign here.
The last scenes are good (esp. the "Sunni" doc/activist arrested), then theres the scene saying "Shia/Sunni are one" BY the protesters (dont the time capture). I also think the fake confessions capture could be poignant at 1:41 onwards (and a better pic for her page too) + school attck by govt thugs + 21:50 violence (and with the shooting at point blank with tear gas (forget time)) + 18:40-18:45 with subs + 22:19 for govt idiocy + 36:26 with sub is poignant + crowd at 1:40 at pearl + need destruction of shia mosques + matar matar vs. the us comment + censored pearl destruction + 47:40-47:50 wih subs Lihaas (talk) 11:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Can add Background to the Bahrain uprising aout democratic historyLihaas (talk) 12:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I'll insert all of those when I move to the main article. Mohamed CJ (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Cool. Heres something else i fund [5] Toruture? (i guess)Lihaas (talk) 16:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Gregg Carlstrom have been writing detailed articles about Bahrain recently. I don't remember any other report discussing tear gas in this detail. The image shown is on 13 February 2012 on Isa bin Salman highway - not far from Pearl Roundabout. Mohamed CJ (talk) 17:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Human Rights Barnstar
For your inspirational work on articles related to the 2011-2012 Bahraini uprising. INeverCry 02:26, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hear hear. =) Khazar2 (talk) 02:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Heey :) You found me from the PC discussion! Thanks =) Mohamed CJ (talk) 08:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw you there, but I first noticed your question to Malleus about GA/FA. I don't think GA/FA is all that important with a subject like the Bahraini uprising. The time it would take (especially with FAC) would be better spent on more articles, images, etc. B-class and C-class are fine with a subject that is powerful enough in itself to attract plenty of attention. I don't see how GA would increase viewership much. The Arab language refs would be a problem as well. I've had the same issue with Russian language refs. In the Prisons in Bahrain article, the details themselves, though I've polished them up a bit, are striking enough to make presentation almost a secondary concern. INeverCry 19:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I see your point, but I'm doing this to improve my writing in general. I want to Bloody Thursday (2011) article as an example for myself to develop my skills further. Thanks for posting this :) Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Prisons in Bahrain

I've polished up the prose in the Prisons in Bahrain article. If you have any way of uploading a prison related image, especially of one of the main prisons, it would make the article that much more striking. The closest thing I found was this, which might be usable as a secondary image in the "List of prisons" section, if you happen to know which police station it is, or even if you don't. INeverCry 03:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The image is for Al Wusta police station (from the signboard on top of the building). Anyway, I took this picture for Budaiya police station just few hours ago. The special thing about this police station is that BICI commissioners saw torture them selves here (BICI report p273). Also there are some pictures for Al-Qalaa (the castle) within it are the headquarters of Ministry of Interior and NSA, and it's probably the biggest prison in Bahrain. However I'm not sure about the copyright status of images [6], [7]. If you think any of them are good, I can request the original photos from photographers. Mohamed CJ (talk) 07:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I though you might want to have a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Prisons in Bahrain. Mohamed CJ (talk) 08:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I found this image, it was taken last year, but author is unknown. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Some of the pics at 3 would be great. Either of the 6th or 7th images from the top, where someone is holding up a white sign with a black drawing on it while others are holding up flags and peace signs infront of the castle with a man on the roof would be perfect for the lead. The pic at the very bottom with the flag and peace sign in front of the main door is a powerful image as well, and would be great for the article's body. Your pic of the Budaiya police station would be fine for the "List of prisons" section at bottom.
As for your DYK nomination of Prisons in Bahrain, I would think that the hook or alt hooks should refer to child prisoners, political prisoners, or torture statistics rather than minor details.
"that over 1500 detainees have reported being tortured in the course of the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising ?"
"that more than 150 children have been imprisoned during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising ?"
Something along those lines. INeverCry 18:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I have contacted the photographer and changed the alt hooks. Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Zainab Alkhawaja


I cropped this from the original image and adjusted brightness. I added it to her article. If you need an image altered or fixed up let me know. INeverCry 20:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure, thanks :) Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Abduljalil Alsingace

While I was on a roll, I took a first swing at Abduljalil Alsingace, too. I had trouble pinning down exactly the dates of his blogging and his role in Haq movement--take a look when you get a chance. Khazar2 (talk) 11:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure, good job creating the article. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure--thanks for doing all the research! Khazar2 (talk) 17:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sitra

hi

in the "massacre of al khalifa men section" in the sitra article, could you change the date from 1819 to 1783 because i miscalculated the hijri date

i tried editing it but my edit wont save for some reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.53.235 (talk) 15:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.53.235 (talk) 14:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm worried that I couldn't find that info in the provided reference. I have found an online copy for the book. Could you perhaps tell me the page number? Also the article needs editing so that it can be within Wikipedia policy. Most importantly, you need to use reliable source and cite them within the article. Using some of the citation templates in this page can be helpful. You also need to adhere to the policy about neutral point of view, along with other things, this means you should represent both views when available and not take sides.
Trust me, this is in your (and the encyclopedia's) benefit, because in the future anyone can remove the material if it's not referenced or neutral. So it's better to do it correct from the beginning rather than losing all your work in the future. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


see this

ملخص احداث سنة 1197هـ

و قع شجار في جزيرة سترة بين أهلها وبين رجال آل خليفة الذين جاؤها من (الزبارة) وطنهم في ذلك الوقت، لشراء بعض اللوازم، فأسفر الشجار عن قتل كبيرهم وانتهاب متاعهم، فمضى الباقون لقومهم يستصرخونهم، فجاء آل خليفة في سفينة مشحونة بالرجال والسلاح، ونزلوا جزيرة (سترة) على غرة، فقتلوا ونهبوا ورجعوا إلى (الزبارة)، وكانت (البحرين) حينئذ تحت سلطة حكومة العجم، والحاكم عليها من قبلهم الشيخ نصر آل مذكور، والحاج مدن الجد حفصي وزيره، فاستصرخ أهل البحرين حاكمهم على آل خليفة، فجيش الجيش وحملهم في السفن قاصدا مهاجمة آل خليفة في (الزبارة) ليثأر منهم، وكانوا على استعداد، لما بلغهم من عيونهم وجواسيسهم، فانكسر أهل البحرين أشنع كسرة، فقتل من قتل ورجعت فلولهم على الأعقاب، ومضى حاكمهم الشيخ نصر آل مذكور إلى (بوشهر)، ليطلب من دولته المدد، وأناب عنه على البحرين السيد ماجد المذكور، والوزير الحاج مدن، وكانت العاصمة حينئذ (جد حفص)، وكانت دولة العجم مرتبكة في داخلها، فلم تبعث للبحرين مددا، فلما تبين عند أهل البحرين عجز العجم عن المحافظة، قام صاحب العنوان الشيخ أحمد آل ماجد فكاتب آل خليفة يدعوهم للاستيلاء على البحرين، ويضمن لهم المساعدة والنصر. ولما شعر أهل (جد حفص) أعني السيد ماجد والوزير الحاج مدن بهذه الخيانة ضدهم وضد حكومة العجم، عظم عليهم ذلك وثارت حينئذ الأحقاد القديمة- المتقدم شرحها - حتى آل الأمر بين أهل القريتين(جد حفص) و(البلاد القديم) أن احتشدوا، لقتال بعضهم بعضا، وبينما كادت الحرب تنتهي بالنصر لأهل جد حفص، وإذا بآل خليفة قد هجموا على البحرين، فبقي أهل جد حفص بين خصمين، فلم يلبثوا قليلا حتى قتل وزيرهم الحاج مدن، ولما رأوه قتيلا انكسروا وتشتتوا وقتل من قتل، وهاجر أكثرهم إلى القطيف وبلاد العجم، وكان ذلك سنة 1197هـ.

ممن ترجم له كذلك، العلامة أحمد بن زين الدين الأحسائي في كتابه (جوامع الكلم) وقد ترجم له أيضا الشيخ علي بن الشيخ حسن البلادي البحراني (1274هـ - 1340هـ) في كتابه (أنوار البدرين).

What is the source for the paragraph? I only found it in Arabic Wikipedia which can't be cited as a reliable source. I found some info in this article which said the incident occurred at 1782. If you're interested in Bahrain's history and such, I'd recommend taking Al Jareesh website to WP:RSN and use it as a source if it's found to be reliable. Mohamed CJ (talk) 05:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


1197 hijri are the years 1782-1783 hijri

please correct the date im sure all those books provided are reliable + the site u just gave — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.53.235 (talk) 10:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I have corrected the date already and used the link I provided as a source, but it doesn't mention anything about killing of the leader of Al Khalifa, so I added Template:fact. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

no

the leader of the men who went to sitra

have you read all of anwar al badrain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.53.235 (talk) 13:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I didn't read it. But I searched all-over it (using Ctrl + F) for "سترة" and got nothing relevant. That's why I'm asking you to provide a URL. Mohamed CJ (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

 did u read sheikh ahmad bin zainaldins book? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.53.235 (talk) 02:50, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

No, could you provide a URL for an online copy of it? Mohamed CJ (talk) 05:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

im on my ipod right now so i cant open it but here it is anyway

4shared.com/rar/fYQ2Dyw_/__-______-_pdf.html

BTW, please improve the grammar in the "conflict of al khalifa" section in th sitra article

it should be conflict with al khalifa

please also correct these errors

Conflict of Al Khalifa

In 1782, a conflict occurred between locals and a number of Al Khalifa's [1] who came from Zubara to buy supplies. The clashes resulted in deaths from both sides.[1] Large numbers of the Khalifa's[2] were killed including their leader.[citation needed]

[1] it shouldnt have an apostrophe because that would make the word "al khalifa is"
[2] same ^

 Done Mohamed CJ (talk) 09:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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maryam alkhawaja

yes she is mirziya

her mother is khadija almusawi (sayyida) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.5.107 (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Mohammed al-Maskati

Hey BA, I gave Mohammed al-Maskati a start today--thanks as always for providing sources. Good luck on those exams and with that wikibreak! Khazar2 (talk) 08:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Good job on that. I'll take a look an expand where possible after I'm done with exams. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Help with images resp

The third image was just about perfect as far as portraits are concerned, so I cropped it and added it to Mohammed al-Maskati and to the DYK nomination page. The other 2 images look like they're ready to be used without anything being done to them. INeverCry 17:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to be able to help. Don't hesitate to ask me if you need anything else. INeverCry 19:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Jalila al-Salman

Hi Activist, I've reviewed the nomination linked above and there are a couple issues. Could you look into them? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:17, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

2012 Bahrain Grand Prix

Done and done. Maybe once this is all over, the article might be good enough for Good Article or Feature Article status. Thanks for your help. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm expecting a few photos to emerge from the event itself. There usually are, posted a few days after the race. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Yousef al-Mahafdha‎

Okay, now that you've "thrown down the gauntlet" by expanding your list, I did some work on Yousef al-Mahafdha‎ this morning. Since he's a bit borderline for notability, I just folded him into Bahrain Centre for Human Rights for now. If he makes the news a few more times (not just human rights reports, which sadly are often not counted for notability purposes), we can break him out into his own article with that text for a start. Sound good? Thanks as always for all this good research. Khazar2 (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind at all. Good job with that. Mohamed CJ (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mahdi Abu Deeb

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update

hi i heard there was a martyr in karbabad and some other villages + the 2 baby martyrs fadak & hawra arent on the list

i cant seem to find info regarding them on news agencies, so if u do find any info about them update this article thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.148.5.249 (talk) 16:35, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I've heard of those two babies, but couldn't find any reliable sources to support. Some village Facebook page can't be treated as a reliable source, however I think FB/Twitter pages of Al Wefaq, Nabeel Rajab, Feb 14 Coalition and such can be treated as reliable sources (while still mentioning who said what). Mohamed CJ (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

2012 Bahrain Grand Prix (again)

I'm actually going to take a step back from editing the page for now. There are two reasons for this: one, I didn't watch the race because I thought it would be inappropriate; and two, I've been editing that page almost non-stop for the past week or so, and the quality of my edits dropping off. I'm not sure I can maintain the same standard if I edit the page without having seen the race.

Also, I'm considering putting forward a proposal to split the article in two: one page for the race, and one page for the protests. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Mohamed CJ (talk) 09:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Germans

Hi. I found an error in the article (see photo). Copernicus was not a German, he was from Poland. --Top811 my talk —Preceding undated comment added 16:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC).

Ali al-Ghanmi

Hey B. A. Baracus (which is how I secretly imagine you), I knocked another off your list today, Ali al-Ghanmi. Could you add the Arabic for his name when you get a chance? One other issue you might be able to clear up is whether AaG was military, police, or some sort of military police... I saw sources describing him both ways. Thanks as always for putting all these sources together. Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 18:12, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hahahahahaahahaahaha :D I needed a laugh man. This is the last week of exams.
Good job with the article, it needs minor edits. I believe he's a military officer, because he was wearing their clothes on all occasions when he joined protesters as shown in pictures (he's also known locally as "The General", but I doubt any sources mention that). I've got some images of police and military officers in Pearl Roundabout, too bad he's not in any of them. I uploaded them to this website which hosts images for many photographers. You'll see the uploader name as "Malak Alrooh" (which is the nickname of my gf, but she used my camera anyway). I tried uploading them myself to the commons, but it said I'd have to wait 2 hours for an image! Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, will try to clear up that military/police thing soon. Good luck on the last of the exams! Khazar2 (talk) 04:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Another note on Ali al-Ghanmi--would you de-orphan that one once you've recovered from your exams? You know the Bahrain Uprising coverage better than I do overall (I'm thinking maybe links from Bloody Thursday and Pearl Roundabout? He doesn't seem quite notable enough for including in the template.) Khazar2 (talk) 05:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, he can be linked from a number of articles including the main one about repression. It should be divided to sub titles such as repression against medics, journalist, military officers, sportsmen, human rights defenders, opposition activist and such (I've already collected sources for the medics case since it's the most notable internationally -it was posted here on main page on 14 June- watch this recent CNN report to get an idea about it). Al-Ghanmi also can be mentioned in the timeline since he first joined protests on 22 February. Also he can be included in National Safety Court or List of individuals convicted by National Safety Court (in total they're in hundreds, but only few are notable enough to have their own articles) and even in Torture during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising (new section where we mention the names of notable people who were tortured). I only have one exam left, it's short so I'm kinda done already. Mohamed CJ (talk) 05:36, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Cool. I'm hoping to make that medics article the next one that I tackle, btw. Khazar2 (talk) 05:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Good. What are you going to call the main article by the way? Repression against medics during the 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising? or just individual BLP articles? Mohamed CJ (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Still working on that--I was hoping on review of sources that one might suggest a good group title. failing that, something like "2011 Bahrain medical personnel trials", maybe. I realize there's more to it than just the trials, but I'm hoping that it can still all be shoehorned under that title. Khazar2 (talk) 06:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Trials are still on going so "2011–2012 Bahrain medical personnel trials". Mohamed CJ (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

2011–2012 Bahrain health worker trials

A first draft of 2011–2012 Bahrain health worker trials is up, and it's a doozy, as you'd expect. I put a few questions on the talk page if you have any answers. This is a trickier one to balance than our usual collaborations--there's just so much info and so many players that we have to be selective about what goes in, so please adjust if I've put in too much or too little of any major topic. Thanks as always for doing all the "legworK" on the research... Khazar2 (talk) 04:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Collaboration

Ashrf1979 (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته جهد مبارك وانشاالله يكون بينا تعاون في مجال التحرير في ويكيبديا

W.S. Thanks. I hope to start such a collaboration, but hopefully not in the way I've seen you edit Bahrani people. I usually share my future plans in Articles for creation and Articles for expansion. My pure focus -which can be seen in my edits- is on articles related to the Bahraini uprising, but I'm also interested in other articles relating to Bahrain. Also, despite what my username might suggest, I actually try hard to keep a neutral point of view and avoid promoting my own view over the improvement of Wikipedia. Mohamed CJ (talk) 18:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hamad al-Naqi

Hey BA,

I don't know if you've already read about this case, but a Kuwaiti tweeter Hamad al-Naqi was sentenced to ten years in prison this week for, among other things, criticizing the king of Bahrain. Take a look if you're interested, and as always, if you could add the Arabic spelling of his name to the article, it'd be a big help. Thanks and enjoy the weekend! Khazar2 (talk) 07:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey, nice work with that. I've added the Arabic name and found those two articles: [8], [9]. You could also add a short background about the other guy who was sentenced to seven years prison for similar charges. Cheers! Mohamed CJ (talk) 08:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the assist. I'll try to tackle more of this later today. Khazar2 (talk) 15:19, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Merged that article

Ok, I merged that article.

Btw: لا تخاف انا مو بلطجي :)Ilikecod (talk) 18:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Good step, could you mention that in the AfD?
I'm sorry that you decided to leave Wikipedia. If you decide to return, please read rules and try to apply them where you edit. The most important rules are the Five pillars. As far as I can see, you've been removing warnings and aims to re-direct you to the rules in your talk page, that's not a smart thing to do since anyone can check the history. By the way, you shouldn't use Arabic language even in talk pages and to be honest, I don't care if you're pro-gov or anti-gov as long as your edits are constructive. The AfD isn't supposed to be against you, rather it is used to remove articles which fail to pass Wikipedia threshold for inclusion. This happened to me in the past for several articles and all of them were tagged in the same day, so I know the feeling. Mohamed CJ (talk) 19:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

11 yr old arrested

does she have a WP page? Certainly notable enough and theressa "trial"(Lihaas (talk) 12:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)).

It's a he, and gladly he was released on bail yesterday. I've been collecting references for this so if you could help with that I'll start an article. It isn't the first case though. If you look at Prisons in Bahrain, you'll see that it is almost normal in Bahrain for political reasons, however this case received international attention, thanks to the lawyer. You know what annoys me? today in the radio I heard an international figure speaking saying that torturing kids in prisons didn't happen anywhere expect in Syria.. You know when you see all those reports about it happening in Bahrain and those guys ignore it completely just for political gains on the "blood" of people.. it makes me feel sick. Mohamed CJ (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I started the article Ali Hassan. Mohamed CJ (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Persian Gulf

Hi. I hope you are fine. I do not think that there is a need for an edit war. I agree with you that the pictures are placed in a wrong section. But you dhould not delete them without a consensus. Maybe we could use the talk page to find out which pictures should stay and which are to be removed. What do you think? Regards. --Lysozym (talk) 21:43, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm fine thanks for asking :) I agree that we should use the talk page. I guess you are unaware about the discussion there? Well, in summary I added a section about Arab viewpoint to the article, this was fine and all editors accepted it. But then I though the images weren't balanced, since there were 11 of them showing the term "Persian Gulf" or supporting using it. Another 19 images were there in the gallery as well. Another editor though that it was reasonable to remove most of those images and add other images. So we changed the article so that it had 5 map images, 2 of them showing Persian gulf, 1 of them showing Arabian gulf, one of them showing Gulf of Basra and the lead image showing "Gulf" (Persian was removed). There were also 3 more images from UN ,UK and USA supporting the name Persian Gulf. Here is the version.
However, two editors didn't like the change, one of them inserted 3 more maps showing Persian gulf, a map showing both Persian and Basra Gulf and removed the image which only showed Gulf of Basra. The article is was no more organized, for example the Arabian gulf image is no more in the Arab viewpoint section, same for UN image. So we told him that, but made no edits to avoid edit warring. Then some guy come and added more images, he got reveted, then you came and added the same images, you got reverted.
The discussion is still on going in the article talk page here. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer. I understand your point, I also agree that there should not be too many immages. However, there is nothing wrong with having a gallery at the end of the article. Maybe we can find a consensus in reverting to the version you named above and adding a gallery to it, containing all respective immages. Take care. --Lysozym (talk) 18:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I like your suggestion. Looking forward to see your opinion expressed in the article's talk page. Mohamed CJ (talk) 19:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the greeting. I'm reluctantly back because some of the people who think they're expert enough to decide what genocide is and should be appear to have been encouraged by Nikolic's election as Serbian president, so it looks as if there's a round of same-old same-old about to start at the Srebrenica Genocide/Massacre article. I was only going to come back when I had the time and energy to get stuck in first of all over the basic beef I still have with WP dishonesty, but unfortunately Srebrenica is too pressing. Anyhow as long as I hang around I'll be glad to help out with anything I can. Of course! Opbeith (talk) 19:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

If the dispute is so long, shouldn't it be taken to WP:ARBCOM? I learned about this feature in Wikipedia and I think it is very helpful in such situations. Mohamed CJ (talk) 19:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Inappropriate in this particular case I'm afraid. It's a bit of a roundabout story. It may just have to end up as water under the bridge. But thanks for the suggestion anyhow. Opbeith (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of March of loyalty to martyrs

Hello! Your submission of March of loyalty to martyrs at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bahraini Activist. I've posted a second review for March of loyalty to martyrs and made some small tweaks to the article. I removed the New York Times map and left my reasons on the talk page. I think that the article would benefit from a map of the march route, but believe that a free equivalent of the NYT image could be created. I had some concerns about the licensing of the other images. While bahrain.viewbook.com indicates that it is licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0, I wasn't clear on whether the photographers uploaded their own material to the website or whether they released their rights to their photos. Other than that, the article looks very good to me. Good job! Cheers, Gobōnobo + c 22:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for the review! Do you know where I can find a free map image showing the same route? It has to be old, because Pearl Roundabout was demolished later and removed from newer maps. About the image, I actually told the website owner (via e-mail) to modify their license from "no copyrights" which was vague to the current. I know the photographer who took the image, he usually specify that they're released under the mentioned license such as here (caution, graphic images ahead). Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:01, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification on the image license. I've not much experience working with maps on Wikipedia. My first inclination was to check OpenStreetMaps, which has a freely licensed map of the area here, but it doesn't seem to have Pearl Roundabout. It's possible they have a version with the roundabout in the history, but I'm not clueful enough to know how to access it. Someone over at WikiProject Maps might be more helpful. Gobōnobo + c 22:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Find a current map showing the location now. Put the URL into WaybackMachine and see what past saves it has - with luck you may find an archived version from before last spring. http://archive.org/web/web.php Opbeith (talk) 21:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I posted in WikiProject Maps and a user provided this image. Mohamed CJ (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hello

السلام عليكم. أنا RedSky446، إذا كان في موضوع مهم يحتاج للتعديل خبرني فيه لأني متحير من وين أبدي بالضبط.

في رأيي لازم نعدل صفحات رموز النظام (الملك-رئيس الوزراء- إلخ) لأن الكلام اللي فيها رسمي وما في أي إشارة للجرائم اللي سووها سواءاً الصفحات العربية أو الإنجليزية.

Close paraphrasing Turaymisah

Made modifications. Is it ok now? EkoGraf (talk) 17:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi again

I did my first contribution in the Bahraini uprising time line, but I faced an issue with violating external links guidelines so I would be glad if you tell me what I did wrong. RedSky446 (talk) 20:59, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Democracy Index

Hello, I initially reverted a change it thinking it was wrong, but then I thought, what does the source state, but it did not link for me, so instead I checked the Bahrain page and saw it said 'Constitutional monarchy'. Does that need changing, I do not have the understanding to determine that. All the best Bevo74 (talk) 07:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I tried to change it to just Monarchy (i.e. being less specific) in order to avoid POV, because the government says it is a cons. mon. and the CIA factbook classify it as that. On the other hand, one of the main demands in the current uprising is a real cons. mon. and there is the democracy index and some sources which refer to it as absolute mon. You can see the relevant discussion here. Alternatively, you can start a new section. Your opinion is definitely useful and I'd appreciate if you would comment. Mohamed CJ (talk) 07:35, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

For your work on the Bahraini, the "forgotten uprising". You have all the support from my French, western, Christian & Agnostic family. Yug (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, to you and your family! Tell them the Bahraini people will never stop until all their rightful demands are me. Also thanks for the map. Mohamed CJ (talk) 17:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi

I'm thinking of editing other articles rather than the timeline because it's quite hard to write about the daily events when you don't have reliable resources to quote from, what do you suggest? RedSky446 (talk) 19:41, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

If it's a problem of references, then you can find daily reports about Bahrain here and here.
If you would like to write about other topics, you can pick on of these:
Alternatively, you can take a look at my list for creation, list for expansion and list of articles. Also, if you would like to write about any article, and need references, I can provide them for you; I save all articles I read in specific sections in the favorites bar. Mohamed CJ (talk) 05:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi..

I think that I will go for the mercenaries section (If you have other resources send them to me), I will let you know when I finished.

Thanks for your help RedSky446 (talk) 23:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I've expanded the section, you can take a look at it now. When citing sources, (1) don't put a space after the full stop, (2) give reference a name (e.g. <ref name="BICI report">{{Cite report |author=.. ect </ref>) then use them again without inserting the same source as a new reference (e.g. <ref name="BICI report"/>), (3) using templates to cite is more standard than the other way I showed you, these include Template:Cite news, Template:Cite report, Template:Cite video, Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book and others. And (4) you can use : to add spaces when in talk pages, this makes it easier to read (see below).
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As I've told you before, if you would like to write about any topic (including casualties, arrests, torture, expulsions, women role, tear gas, journalists, mosques, economy, corruption, athletes, sectarianism and social media role), I'm ready to provide sources for you. Mohamed CJ (talk) 13:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Smile, etc

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Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I hope you're safe and well. I finished with the WP:HU assessments. I've never seen anywhere near as many DYK articles from any of the other projects I do assessments for. Human Rights subjects are very well-represented here on wp. Yours and Khazar's contributions are a significant part of that. INeverCry 19:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

That's probably because both human rights activism and Wikipedia are -on most cases- voluntarily :) Mohamed CJ (talk) 09:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Operation Honor of Free Women

i found some info about operation honor of free women from this newspaper: http://www.elwatandz.com/watanarabi/5846.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by بحرآني (talk • contribs) 08:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the reliability of that website. Its name is similar to a known Algerian newspaper, which only writes in French. I think it's more of a blog. Anyway, if you would like to make updates, you should insert this into Timeline article. Mohamed CJ (talk) 10:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Solidarity with Bahraini and [Saudi] Arabian protesters

Hi, its me, Tony, and I just follow up the events about the radical cleric Nimr al-Nimr speaking against the Saudi, Bahraini and the Syrian regimes. I just want to say that he was a great leader, and in my opinion he deserves to be rewarded for not being hypocrite unlike the other leader and the pro-Syrian regime supporters. I just wonder what's the current situation in your country Bahrain.

Anyway how was your work on the Bahraini uprising article? In case you don't know, User:Boud has now taken charge of editing the Saudi Arabian protests, while I was switching my attention towards the recent Sudan anti-austerity (later turn to anti-regime) protests, though my work is not so perfect and very good as I thought. What do you, as a Bahraini, think about the Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir and the recent #Sudanrevolts?

PS: Having looking at the Arab flags you put at the above, I think you should add the Sudanese flag on it LOL

Myronbeg (talk) 11:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Tony. Nasrallah much like Iran and US follow their interests. If I learned anything from the so called Arab spring, I learned that human value, human rights, democratic principles, ect mean nothing when they are against interests. For example the Syrian regime supported GCC intervention in Bahrain, just one day before protests began in Diraa, because they though this was in their interest. Now its media channels are trying to "use" some aspects in protests in Bahrain in their advantage (ex: show contrast between "peaceful vs violent" or show how pro-uprising newspapers/channel stole a footage or an image from Bahrain and attributed it to Syria).
I've heard news about protests in Sudan, so far I hear the government is using tear gas and rubber bullets and no deaths reported. I honestly don't have an opinion about it, because I don't know about details. In general, I'm against any government which denies the right to peacefully protest. Omar al-Bashir is just like the post-colonization Arab world leaders who came to power by a military coup. As long as he is against US, he will be view as a ruthless dictator, while if he was their ally such as Saddam in 1980s, they would try to hide their massacres/human rights violations. I read through this article that al-Bashir was actually elected, which gives me more mixed feelings about events in Sudan.
The current situation in Bahrain is best summarized in these three articles: [35], [36], [37]. If would like to read some interesting analysis, especially regrading the sectarian issue you can visit this blog. About the article, I'm improving it step by step, first trying to cover timeline then important topics. The thing is, I don't like leaving details out and that wastes a lot of time, which I already don't have much of. I save all articles I read in the favorites bar, these include (timeline, casualties, arrests, torture, expulsions, women role, tear gas, journalists, mosques, economy, corruption, athletes, sectarianism and social media role.. etc). So if you are ever interested in writing about any of these, just let me know and I'll provide reliable sources. Mohamed CJ (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, those article looks interesting, as well as the ones showing the Google trend regarding international media coverage on Bahrain vs Syria. I didn't really follow Bahrain that much but when I look at one of the al-Akhbar article it says about the Bahraini opposition are "radicalizing". Is this true, I mean, all the while the Bahraini ain't calling for the fall of monarchy?

Anyhow as for Sudan, in case you didn't know about the recent news, there was a biggest major demo held in Nyala, South Darfur's biggest city, against the hiking price on Tuesday. It was initially started by a strike on Monday, but the mainly students later join the protests on the next day, chanting slogans and throwing stones at government buildings. On that day, the security forces, like as usual as always, storm the scene and fire tear gas against the protesters who burn tires. When they found out that they fail to disperse the youths, they later switch to their deadly weapon and immediately open live fire against the protesters, killing at least 12 of them and injures more than 55 others. Hours later, the Sudanese ministry says only 8 were killed, but the Sudanese site Sudan Change Now gave a list of 12 martyrs, mostly students. By the way, this hypocrite leader earlier condemns Gaddafi and Assad killing of their own people. No joke. Don't you find it ironic that he copies exactly the same way how both these leaders did to his own people? I mean he was hiring his NCP militias to beat the protesters and use his pathetic NISS agents to clampdown the Sudanese media and opposition leaders, including journalist and others. Of course he was very sneaky (negative of "smart") in dealing with the protesters, mainly because he fears a martyr which happens in 1964 October revolution. As of today, at least more than 2,000 were detained. Does your regime ever does that to his own people as well, I mean hiring thugs and clamping down the media? I think I might heard of those before thought.

But then I was wondering, if Bashir was the enemy of Western countries, how come the international media were still silent about the Sudanese revolt? Is everyone paying attention to Sudan (and even your country as well)? I sense a blatant hypocrisy from some Western countries, though I refuse to name them. Oh and for your another trivia, the Mullah-owned Iranian media also refuses to cover the Sudan protest as well.

Now back to the Saudi-Bahraini protests. It seems like the protests in Qatif are intensifying. I might be wrong for this but I think the Bahrainis really need their [Saudi] Arabians revolutionary partner's help to distract the GCC military attention away towards them. How many of your country's police and army has defected since the 14 February revolt?

PS: You were referring to that election in Sudan. I actually were not suprised about this. If ever the genocidal maniac establishes such free and fair election without any fraud, he still would have won because his regime has successfully brainwash and frighten many of the Sudanese. Just compare it to the Egypt's 2005 presidential elections. Yes, Mubarak during THAT TIME allows real free and fair elections, but they already knew that he's going to win no matter how, mainly because he knew that the people will force to vote for him even if his security forces doesn't directly harass and attack the voters.

P-PS: This is the list of 12 dead victims in Sudan, just to let you know. [38]

Myronbeg (talk) 14:13, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, opposition has been radicalizing for months. This is natural when repression is continuous, especially when it involves sexual assaults on women. At the initial stage (Feburary & March 2011) at Pearl Roundabout protests, people used to give flowers to security forces. I have to say that I was surprised when on 14 February police left their jeep and ran away, but protesters didn't burn it like in earlier years. When the crackdown began in mid-march, the army was deployed and it used live ammunition. People did not fight back, because they though this was against the peaceful principle and would give the government an excuse to commit massacres. Using Molotoves is not new in Bahrain, throughout 2007-2010 they were used by the "radical/hard" opposition who refused to join the powerless parliament, however these were only used on July-August 2011 and by January 2012 became common. Nowadays clashes between security forces armed with tear gas and birdshot (a type of shotgun) and youths throwing Moltoves are almost daily. They usually start with a peaceful protest, then police attack then youth hit back, but sometimes the youth attack first. Since about a month ago large marches (50k+) disappeared, because the government won't give permission to "moderate" opposition to stage them. This will only make things worse as more join the violence cycle. There are news about a near political dialogue, but you never know; they've been talking about dialogue for so long time.
The thing is, Bahrain is a tiny island with 550k unarmed citizens + 650k foreign workers (Indians, Pakistanis Philippians, etc), so actually it's certain that protesters can't pick up arms unless they get foreign help/steal it from government. The small population of Bahrain makes it is easier to control with foreign help. The government uses foreign fights (i.e. mercenaries) to confront protesters. This part is covered here. The community is divided through sectarian lines, Sunna and Shia. Sectarian clashes occurred in 1950s, but both sects got over them and united. The government however, used those differences to divide and rule, especially after the Iranian revolution. large protesters occur almost every 5-10 years in Bahrain since 1920s. Imagine that since 1920s people were calling for an authority that represent them and every-time the government gets away with it! In 1990s almost only Shias took part in the uprising which ended with the powerless parliament we have now. People were promised with a parliament with full powers, 98.4% voted yes and the next year they get betrayed. So we had to undergo another uprising to correct this mistake which we should have done so since 2002.
If you want to know more, I advice you to watch Bahrain: Shouting in the Dark. This one-hour documentary tells the story from February to June 2011.
The only time I hear about Sudan is when I'm driving. I usually listed to Al Jazeera and BBC, they don't report much about Sudan and I've never heard about the last protest on Tuesday. If there are death, this is definitely an important development. If there were no deaths on the first days of Bahrain uprising, I don't think that much would have happened. All regimes use the same tactics, arrests, targeting journalists, torture.. etc as if they're reading from the same book! Anyway, I have to go now, I'll see if I can add more later. Cheers. Mohamed CJ (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Question

I'm regularly updating Bahrain at the 2012 Summer Olympics (and no, we didn't win a medal yet!) and today, someone posted data of the athletes' profile with specific emphasis of them being naturalized (see here [39]). While it may be true, it seems to be bias against the athletes as well as being listed for defamation purposes, which is against Wikipedia's policy. I'm seeking a second opinion here; what do you think ? --Droodkin (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey, sorry my late reply; I'm having problem with internet connection. Can't help you for now, sorry. Mohamed CJ (talk) 20:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Mansoor Al-Jamri.jpg

What's the copyright status of that image? I don't see a CC license on the webpage (but then again, I can't read Arabic) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

  1. ^ (in Arabic) "Summary of Baharain and Baharna's history", Al Jareesh, Retrieved 4 April 2012
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