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The Signpost: 22 July 2015

Checkuser request

If you have a moment, please compare the two IPs edit warring over a citation needed tag for an uncontroversial statement at this article here, with this user. These similar edits ([1],[2]) by that user and one of the IPs, done in the same day, make me think that it's the same editor, logged out and IP hopping, possibly to feud over an article I had created because I had just removed one of his edits on another article, in part because it was unsourced,[3] and I had previously helped revert his challenged edits to that and other related articles (see discussion). The two IPs are obviously the same editor even if the registered account proves unrelated. Thanks for your time! postdlf (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Is someone else around who can grab this one? MBisanz talk 01:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Sunday August 2: WikNYC Picnic

Sunday August 2, 1-7pm: WikNYC Picnic

You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–7pm - come by any time! @ Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance (Prospect Park West and 15th St), immediately on the lawn to your left as you walk through the lovely lotus columns.
Subway: "F" train"F" express train​"G" train to 15th Street – Prospect Park (IND Culver Line)

We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

(Bonus event: WikiWednesday Salon @ Babycastles - Wednedsay, August 19)

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Dion Cools again

Hi Mbisanz, recently I've asked for the undeletion of Dion Cools at User talk:MBisanz/Archive 18#Dion Cools, which was denied by GiantSnowman, claiming WP:CRYSTAL stating he 'might' play in the future but hasn't yet.

This evening, the opening game in the 2015–16 Belgian Pro League will feature Sint-Truiden and Club Brugge, including with near certain probability the first performance of Dion Cools. For a link, see [4]. Assuming he'll play, please revert the delete at 20:31 CET :p Thanks in advance... IMHO this is a silly process and the page should never have been deleted, WP:NOTBUR. Oh well... --Pelotastalk|contribs 08:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

That makes sense. Because I don't speak Belgian, can you point out where I can check if he's played? MBisanz talk 11:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! The lineup will appear on [5], on the right side under "Matchinfo". --Pelotastalk|contribs 14:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Played the full 90 mins in a 2-1 loss. Hurray for notability! :) --Pelotastalk|contribs 20:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 Done MBisanz talk 19:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedian admin coaches

Category:Wikipedian admin coaches, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Community & Bureaucrat based desysoping proposal

A discussion is taking place regarding a proposal to create a community and bureaucrat based desysoping committee. The proposal would modify the position of bureaucrat. Your input is encouraged. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators/RfC for BARC - a community desysoping process. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 July 2015

Bureaucrat discussion notification (Liz)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Liz/Bureaucrat discussion

I would welcome input from other bureaucrats in relation to the outcome of this RfA.
Many thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) for WJBscribe (talk) 12:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Current Cratchat

Further to my email, the current Cratchat is a tricky one and we could do with more voices. I'm dropping a line to the Crats who appear to be active but have yet to chime in, to ask if they could possibly do so, asap, as we obviously don't want to keep the candidate hanging on. Could you possibly take a look? Many thanks --Dweller (talk) 08:57, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for popping in, presumably at your RL inconvenience. --Dweller (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Agreed, thanks!! -- Avi (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 August 2015

Well done

The Bureaucrat's Barnstar
Time and time again, the bureaucrats of en-wiki demonstrate their levelheadedness and expertise. Like an anesthesiologist in an operating room, you spend most of your time screwing around reading a magazine, but stand ready to spring into action when needed, only to fade into the background once your important work is done.

Or perhaps that's more like Batman? Whatever your preferred metaphor, I am consistently impressed by the bureaucrat corps. Thank you for your service. HiDrNick! 12:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

My RfA Crat Chat

Hello, MBisanz,

I just wanted to thank you and all of the bureaucrats who participated in the bureaucrat chat after my RfA was closed. There were a lot of votes and comments to go through along with the enormous amount of content on the crat chat talk page. I appreciate the time and care the bureaucrats took to consider all of the arguments and come to a consensus.

I never imagined that my RfA would be at all contentious or have such a big turnout. Although I hope you don't have many close call RfAs in the future, I know if you do, that Wikipedia's bureaucrats will find their way to a decision. Thank you again for your work in bringing this RfA to a close. Liz Read! Talk! 18:36, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

August 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday August 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 12 August 2015

Nomination for deletion of Template:Visibility-WT-Upload

Template:Visibility-WT-Upload has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you remember why you tagged the page From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia with {{retain orphaned}}? It looks like junk, and I was going to nominate it for deletion until I saw your name in the edit history. --BDD (talk) 17:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I can't rightly remember. I think it was linked from a high-traffic page in old revisions. It has a not insignificant number of page views [6]. MBisanz talk 11:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Huh. Well, I think I'll still bring it up at RfD. I can't imagine what a reader would be searching if using that as a genuine search term; certainly they could find their way to Wikipedia without it. --BDD (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Sure thing. MBisanz talk 23:34, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The Accidentals

Earlier this year (May 3, 2015) you responsibly deleted an article about a music group The Accidentals. The article -- while I haven't seen it -- would likely have been about a little-known group in the NY area:The Accidentals. However, since that time, another group of the same name has emerged which I believe meets the notability standard for Wikipedia: The Accidentals. This group is currently on tour across the US and is a hot new band. They have myriads of news media hits, including a post on Billboard in March of this year, and have CDs out. They have a big-name collaborator (Marshall Crenshaw) and I wanted to write an article on this Accidentals band. I understand it will be subject to a notability and quality review. Are you ok if I try to do this? Thank you.Journalist1983 (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure. SwisterTwister talk 23:36, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm also ok with this. Thanks for asking. MBisanz talk 23:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Implementation of Wikipedia:Bureaucrats#Bureaucrat activity requirements

Following a community discussion ending August 2015, consensus was reached to remove the bureaucrat permissions of users who have not participated in bureaucrat activity for three years.


To assist with the implementation of this requirement, please see Wikipedia:Bureaucrat activity. Modeled after Wikipedia:Inactive administrators and similar to that process, the log page will be created on 1 September 2015. Bureaucrats who have not met the activity requirements as of that date will be notified by email (where possible) and on their talk page to advise of the pending removal.

If the notified user does not return to bureaucrat activity and the permissions are removed, they will need to request reinstatement at WP:RFB. Removal of access is procedural only, and not intended to reflect negatively upon the affected user in any way.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. –xenotalk

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MfD nomination of User:G8j!qKb/common.js

User:G8j!qKb/common.js, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:G8j!qKb/common.js and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:G8j!qKb/common.js during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. RichT|C|E-Mail 15:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 August 2015

Newbie

Hi,

I am new to wikipedia and have had a go at writing articles only to find I have become victim to an editor having a personal vendetta against me. It is advised here that users should be helpful to newcomers and help them fix issues with their pages or edits not just get them deleted. Yet this user has now nominated all articles written by me to be deleted without offering assistance or any help. I don't dispute the articles being deleted and you were right to delete Nabsora if it didn't meet Wikipedia rules, but I don't feel this user is sticking to the rules. As a newcomer I feel victimized by this editor and that my efforts and contributions are now unwanted leaving me to have negative views of wikipedia, it's content and users. Please help! Missjws (talk) 13:42, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it might be more helpful if you posed this request at WP:TEA. MBisanz talk 22:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Checkmarx

I am here to request the undeletion of the article Checkmarx (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checkmarx). It was previously deleted numerous times and then blocked from recreation. It was deleted in 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2013. You can refer to the previous link for the deletion discussions associated with the content.

First, I am not receiving compensation to write this article. I read the guidelines on conflict of interest and want to make sure that is clear. I do have a connection with the company which is another reason I am here. I have created a draft in my sandbox that I would like reviewed and if appropriate, have the article unblocked and restored to the version I created. I believe it is non-promotional in tone and adheres to Wikipedia guidelines.

The reason I feel it warrants undeletion is because the last deletion was in 2013. Prior to that time, the company had little press that showed it to be notable. Unfortunately, it appears that people tried to create and cram the article into Wikipedia anyway. I cannot apologize for that as I was not associated with those creations. However, I would like to show you a few things that have made the company notable since its last deletion in 2013.

Since 2013, the company has received a ton of press coverage in reliable sources, both in Hebrew and in English. They can be found through a quick Google search on Google News - https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22checkmarx%22&tbm=nws

The article in my sandbox can be edited to how you feel appropriate. I feel it is non promotional, but ask that you review and edit it if you feel it is not. I am just hoping for two things here. The first is that the draft be reviewed for its content and adjusted as you see fit for Wikipedia standards. The second is that it be undeleted and the draft in my sandbox be used as the article.

Thank you for your consideration.--Weirdedsultry (talk) 09:45, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but given the numerous past deletions, you will need to go through WP:DRV. MBisanz talk 22:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I completely understand. I will go there now. I would love for you to weigh in with your opinion there as I truly want this to be a neutral article and not something that reads like spam. --Weirdedsultry (talk) 22:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 August 2015

RfA

Hi MBisanz, Can you see this request? Request do not have on this page. Good wikis. Uğurkent (talk) 11:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Removal of Typemock

Hi, How are you? Please explain the reason for the speedy deletion of typemock and the listing in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody/Articles ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Typemock_%282nd_nomination%29

Why not wait for others to comment on this? Elilopian (talk) 14:41, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 September 2015

User:JosephBone

Hi, you have just renamed this user to User:ChiswickMan12345. Please note that as JosephBone he has just been reported to WP:AIV for block evasion as a sockpuppet of indef banned User:LNYDP, for edit warring and reverting deletion of promotional spam he is putting on London New Year's Day Parade. Richard Harvey (talk) 17:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

The Accidentals update

Hi. A few weeks ago we discussed my interest in posting an article about a group called The Accidentals. The group is different from the group of the same name that was removed earlier, and you indicated you would be happy to look at the new article. I found some time this weekend and finally posted an article here. Hope it meets wp/notability etc. Thank you for your assistance Journalist1983 (talk) 21:30, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! MBisanz talk 01:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

September 16: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday September 16, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month, we will also host a Newcomer's Wiki Workshop for those getting started on the encyclopedia project!

We hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:12, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Bonus events, RSVP now for our latest upcoming editathons:

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The Signpost: 09 September 2015

Orphaned non-free image File:NPCC-AR-Logo.jpg

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 02:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 September 2015

Could you please answer some questions for me?

Hi. You deleted one of my articles I think All-Europe Player of the Year, that is, if I am understanding it right from the deletion log. This page here, Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? seems to explain that if an editor feels their article was wrongly deleted that they should discuss it with the person that deleted it. So that is why I am contracting you. If I am wrong in this procedure, just tell me, and please tell me then what I am supposed to do instead.Bluesangrel (talk) 18:00, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bluesangrel. Can you explain why you feel the article was wrongly deleted? There was a strong consensus on the merits that the article was not suitable for inclusion, so I am inclined to point you to WP:DRV unless there is something I have overlooked. MBisanz talk 02:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi MBisanz: As an uninvolved admin, as well as to provide some background on this request, I also invite you to comment at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Boomerang_on_Bluesangrel.—Bagumba (talk) 19:39, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Noted. MBisanz talk 02:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Well, MBisanz, I just feel like it was wrongly deleted. I think the article was worthy because the site of the award is the most important of the world ion basketball, and also it is the award that all of Europe's biggest basketball journalists vote on. So I don't really see why the award is so meaningless and just considered a basic nothing to be deleted.Bluesangrel (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you have not been able to articulate coverage of the award in reliable sources that would support you claims. That is the only basis for undeleting the article. MBisanz talk 18:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Less than simple rename

Hello. My username history is a bit complex so bear with me while I explain what I want. I was originally HighInBC, I renamed myself to H to avoid being googled during a period harassment(Special:Contributions/H). Later I got in a far worse situation and due to death threats I abandoned that account and created my current account.

At some point I recreated User:HighInBC to avoid someone taking it for impersonation without intending to ever edit under it. Somehow I managed to edit with that account twice, I think using a phone I rarely edit with.

Long story short I would like to rename HighInBC(which has only 2 edits, both by me) to something arbitrary and rename my current account to HighInBC.

I have access to the HighInBC account and can log in to confirm that. I would really rather edit under than name that I passed my RfA under, let me know if this can be done. Chillum 02:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry. I recall your story. Do you mind if HighInBC on Commons is renamed to something random? MBisanz talk 03:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't mind at all. Let me know if you need anything from me, I can make a post from the HighInBC account if you need me to confirm. Chillum 03:07, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't. I just messed up a setting though. Can you log into HighInBC and unify it at Special:MergeAccount? MBisanz talk 03:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Okay I will do. Chillum 03:41, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Done. HighInBC (talk) 03:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
And your rename is now done. Chillum has been moved to HighInBC and HighInBC has been moved to HInBC. MBisanz talk 12:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I just need to update my sig now. Chillum 14:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

re-naming

I realise that an uncontroversial re-naming could be done at any time. But user Settleman is presently under discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed_WP:BOOMERANG_for_User:Settleman...and this becomes even messier than the usual I/P-stuff, as user Settleman apparently just ceased to exist (at least under that name), Thoughts? Huldra (talk) 23:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Apologies. I was not aware of the ANI discussion and have reversed the rename. MBisanz talk 23:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Huldra (talk) 23:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Btw, any week Settleman is not up for discussion on WP:ANI or WP:AE: I´m would of course be fine with him getting another name, Huldra (talk) 22:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 September 2015

Saturday October 3: WikiArte Latin America Edit-a-thon @ MoMA

Saturday October 3: WikiArte Latin America Edit-a-thon @ MoMA

You are invited to join us for a full Saturday (drop-in any time!) of social Wikipedia editing at the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) for our upcoming "WikiArte" Latin America Edit-a-thon, for Wiki Arte y Cultura Latinoamericana, a communal day of creating, updating, improving, and translating Wikipedia articles about Latin American art and culture.

11:00am - 5:00 pm (drop-in anytime!) at MoMA Cullman Education and Research Building, 4 West 54th Street

All are invited, with no specialized knowledge of the subject or Wikipedia editing experience required. We will provide training sessions and resources for beginner Wikipedians, WiFi, reference materials, and suggested topics, as well as childcare and refreshments.

Please bring your laptop, power cord, and ideas for articles that need to be updated, translated, or created. You are welcome to edit all day or drop by to show your support, and to follow #WikiArte on social media!

Trainings for new and less experienced Wikipedia editors will be offered (in English) at 11:30 a.m., 1:30 p.m., and 3:30 p.m. Tutorials and resources in Spanish will be available online, and participants are also encouraged to work on the Spanish and Portuguese language editions of Wikipedia.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Next event, October 15 - Women in Architecture editathon @ Guggenheim

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Another rename question

Although not as complicated as Chillum's above, I have been considering changing my account name to Dave, seems as though that user is a long blocked sockpuppet (blocked since 2007), and that account seems to only be a local user, is it possible for me to usurp that name, and globally rename this account to Dave? More complicated since I am an oversighter, I suspect I would have to have a note put on the meta identification noticeboard. This is more of an inquiry before I were to put in a formal request. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 03:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

kelapstick, I'm sorry, but this seems unlikely to be granted. Even though he was a sock, he has so many edits that it really would be like changing a large number of edits. MBisanz talk 00:47, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
No worries, thanks for the feedback. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 September 2015

Thursday October 15: Women in Architecture Edit-a-thon @ Guggenheim (drop-in any time, noon-8pm!)

Thursday October 15: Women in Architecture Edit-a-thon @ Guggenheim

You are invited to join us for a full afternoon and evening of social Wikipedia editing at the Guggenheim (drop-in any time, noon-8pm!), during which we will create, update, and improve Wikipedia articles covering the lives and works of women in architecture.

noon - 8pm (drop-in anytime!) at Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, Garrett Lobby @ 1071 5th Ave by E 88 St

In conjunction with Archtober and New York Archives Week, the Guggenheim will host its third Wikipedia edit-a-thon—or, #guggathon— to enhance articles related to women in architecture on Wikipedia. The Guggenheim aims to further the goals of Ada Lovelace Day for STEM, and Art+Feminism for art, in a field that, by its nature combines both.

The Guggenheim will work alongside ArchiteXX, the founders of WikiD: Women Wikipedia Design #wikiD, the international education and advocacy program working to increase the number of Wikipedia articles on women in architecture and the built environment. New and experienced editors are welcome.

Can’t join us in New York? Visit our global partnerships page to discover an edit-a-thon in a city near you or simply join remotely.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 19:34, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thursday October 15: Women in Architecture Edit-a-thon @ Guggenheim (drop-in any time, noon-8pm!)

Thursday October 15: Women in Architecture Edit-a-thon @ Guggenheim

You are invited to join us for a full day and evening of social Wikipedia editing at the Guggenheim (drop-in any time, noon-8pm!), during which we will create, update, and improve Wikipedia articles covering the lives and works of women in architecture.

noon - 8pm (drop-in anytime!) at Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, Garrett Lobby @ 1071 5th Ave by E 88 St

In conjunction with Archtober and New York Archives Week, the Guggenheim will host its third Wikipedia edit-a-thon—or, #guggathon—to enhance articles related to women in architecture on Wikipedia. The Guggenheim aims to further the goals of Ada Lovelace Day for STEM, and Art+Feminism for art, in a field that, by its nature combines both.

The Guggenheim will work alongside ArchiteXX, the founders of WikiD: Women Wikipedia Design #wikiD, the international education and advocacy program working to increase the number of Wikipedia articles on women in architecture and the built environment. New and experienced editors are welcome.

Can’t join us in New York? Visit our global partnerships page to discover an edit-a-thon in a city near you or simply join remotely.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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Delete draft

Hey how are you? I'd like to ask you something... This page has no use whatsoever as the article is already created. Therefore, deletion seems like a good option, right? If you feel so, can you delete it please? Thanks. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 13:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Just tag it with {{db-user}} and it will get deleted. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 14 October 2015

Restore image?

I'd like to ask you to restore a deleted image. It's my own work, so I will tag it as such. OTOH it's a short musical phrase that is part of a jingle written by someone else. My guess is that it may be used as fair-use, since short quotations of copyright articles may be used likewise. Do you agree?

The reference is: 23:57, 27 October 2009 MBisanz (talk | contribs) deleted page File:Dads Root Beer jingle.png (Deleted because "WP:CSD#F11". using TW)

Akurn (talk) 06:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done at File:Dads_Root_Beer_jingle.png. MBisanz talk 16:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Recreating Deleted Page

Hi there,

Sorry if I'm doing this wrong, I've edited stuff on Wikipedia for a while, but I don't really know how to communicate properly yet. So please feel free to correct me if I make mistakes!

In any case, I am hoping to recreate the Drasar Monumental wikipedia page that was previously deleted. The reason being was that he was not independently prominent outside of the duo he's a part of. However, he has been doing other work, and has been featured on some pretty prominent online radio in both the UK and the US as well as several websites. I went to recreate the page, but it told me to consult with you first.

So here I am.

Help, adivce, etc. is all appreciated.

Thanks! -Iain — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Swann (talk • contribs) 04:01, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I've moved a copy to User:The Swann/Drasar Monumental. MBisanz talk 16:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of few pages

Hi, You have deleted 3 pages about Asian Handball Asian Men's Junior Handball Championship, Asian Women's Junior Handball Championship and Asian Men's Youth Handball Championship. I think that wasn't really the best decision, I can't see voting in favor of deletion, that was equal and I think for deleting an article you need more delete vote. I really think those pages should stay and even if they lack sources, I will add sources ASAP. I want to know how I can open the discussion again, I accept that was my fault to not take the discussion serious. I could not even imagine wikipedia will vote for "delete" for such articles. thanks in advance. Mohsen1248 (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I've re-listed the discussions for another week, but without sources, those articles will most likely be deleted in another week. MBisanz talk 20:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for considering my request. I will add more refs to the articles but these articles didn't get nominated for lack of sources, but being non-notable !!! Mohsen1248 (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Patient Killer redirect?

Hello MBisanz, skimming through AfD I noticed that you redirected Patient Killer, but the redirect points to [[]] instead of Casper Van Dien (in the article as well as in the AfD discussion). I am not sure if that was intentional to keep the redirect open for now, or a bug from the closure script. Just notifying you, in case it was a bug. GermanJoe (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC) I have reverted your edition.Xx236 (talk) 05:49, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, can you review this AfD too. Article was created by new user in very ill format then nominated for AfD, but later article got improved and now nominated for DYK. AfD nominator withdraw. Thanks.--Human3015TALK  20:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done MBisanz talk 16:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

AfD

I'm not sure if your just having an off week or not, but you created a blank redirect here and relisted another AfD which has clear consensus and has met 2 other criteria for deletion including WP:CSD#A7 and WP:BLPPROD. I'm hoping you can reassess and provide feedback on these odd actions.McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 13:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The first one was a copy-paste error of the intended redirect target "Casper Van Dien". I re-listed the other article because a user asked for a few more days to see if sources could be found, and it seemed like a low-cost solution to satisfy them (and prevent a request for undeletion). MBisanz talk 16:58, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Restore Deleted Page

Hello,

I am one of the authors of recently deleted page about the company EyeSee. I could see that the reason for deletion was the lack of reliable and independent sources. The article contained at least 6 references to secondary sources (mostly respected Belgian newspapers) that reported about the company and its business. I am not sure that I completely understand why this was not enough for keeping the page. Can you please explain why the listed sources were taken for not reliable? I would also like to know if it is possible to restore the page. Thank you.

p.s. Any advice and help from your side are more than welcome.

JovanaaaV (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The article could use more details about how the company's product has been covered in the press. The prior article had cites to awards the company has won, but did not go into much detail as to why its product is notable or why its activity as a company has been covered in the press. MBisanz talk 17:04, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Oct 28: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday October 28, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

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This month, we will also host a Newcomer's Wiki Workshop for those getting started on the encyclopedia project!

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Non-Admin Closings - Longevity Articles

Hi. Recently you closed some AfD in the topic area of Longevity. Longevity has been a controversial topic for some time and ArbCom has authorized discretionary sanctions. A series of longevity bio AfD's have recently been closed by a non-Admin. Would you please review them and make an independent assessment about whether they should be closed by non-admins?

Here are several: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethel Lang (supercentenarian)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sakari Momoi
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misao Okawa
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gertrude Weaver

David in DC (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

These are not the strongest candidates for deletion from the Longevity walled garden, but nonetheless their discussions are best closed by someone aware of the long history of this topic area. Also, I've tagged the many SPAs participating, which were not tagged at the time of close. EEng (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I'll defer to those with better knowledge of the area, but at face value, I don't see a problem with the NACs. I would have reached the same conclusions if I had closed. MBisanz talk 17:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing this and for the reality-check. David in DC (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Since I received a ping related to this discussion... If you reach the same conclusions knowing who the SPAs are that's fine. They weren't giant flaming wrecks, and the person closing this discussion has (as far as I know) no history of partisan editing in the topic; while it might have been ideal to have an admin close it, if you're good with it then there's no reason to reopen anything. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't know the SPAs in this space, but I saw enough non-SPAs that I wasn't worried. MBisanz talk 21:46, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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Reason for Page Deletion?

Hi MBisanz,

I recently checked that one of the pages I wrote got deleted :(, In my opinion the article was unbiased and followed the guidelines provided by Wikipedia. However you must have seen some violation that led to the deletion of the article. I would appreciate if you can kindly share the reason so that I can rectify them and resubmit the article. The article was related to Online Pharmacy that I use for my medication, the URL for the Wikipedia Page (Prior to deletion) was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthwarehouse.

Awaiting your reply,

Sincerely

Bill Conner Billybyconner (talk) 06:46, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@Billybyconner: if you go to the linked discussion in the deletion reason on the page you linked, you can see the community had decided the organization in question did not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion WP:CORP or WP:GNG as proven by use of reliable sources. If you still think the company may meet the requirements and can prove it, I would suggest working on it at Draft:Healthwarehouse. Once you feel it efficiently meets the requirements for inclusion you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page, this will signal an experienced editor to come and take a look.McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 13:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Canadian Collaborative Study of Hip Fractures

Hello. You recently closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian Collaborative Study of Hip Fractures as merge to Hip fracture. I have consulted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine, where the consensus appears to be that there's nothing in the article worth merging. What would you suggest happens next? Cordless Larry (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Just redirect the article. If there is nothing to merge, then there's nothing to merge. MBisanz talk 21:24, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. That was my initial instinct, but there seemed to be some support in the AfD discussion for deleting any redirect that resulted from the merge. I don't see any harm in a redirect myself, though, so I will do as you suggest. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Process of deletion review

Hi MBisanz,

I would like to suggest new sources for a page that was written about me and was deleted by you a couple weeks ago. It was deleted because most people in the discussion did not seem to find much information except for "standard" modeling links. However, I have collected at least 30 reputable sources which specifically mention work that I have done with famous photographers, magazine covers and designers, and I believe that if I have the chance to edit the page, and include these sources as reference, it will pass the criteria for a Wiki page, as per my understanding. I am new and not 100% sure of the procedures. The deletion discussion is: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vanessa_Perron_(2nd_nomination)

Could you please advise me on the recommended next step for me? Would it be recreating the page, and submitting it for review? Or is there another process I need to follow.

Sincerely,

Vanessa Perron Vperron (talk) 02:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

I recommend you submit it for review at WP:AFC. MBisanz talk 05:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


Errr...

Hello, looks like you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Marino (online newspaper) as delete and deleted a good article Pichilemu?? Heh. No worries. Will you please undo that? Thanks—UY Scuti Talk 13:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 14:25, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
You should also restore the wrongfully deleted redirects listed here [7] --191.112.79.216 (talk) 16:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 Done MBisanz talk 05:11, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I have restored the enwiki link on Wikidata for you. --AmaryllisGardener talk 19:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry about that! I have no idea how that happened. MBisanz talk 05:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
El Marino (online newspaper) is back as a redirect, the discussion closed as delete and you did delete it, but now it's back? Cheers Vrac (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks MBisanz talk 17:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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Another Process of deletion review

Hi MBisanz, It looks like you have deleted a new page that I created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Randy_Lee_Cutler I have read your reasons, and would like the opportunity to adjust it/add to it. Is it possible to have this opportunity, or must I start the page all over again? I am new at this. Christine

You can re-submit the content with adjustments to WP:AFC. MBisanz talk 21:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Sunday Nov 22: Soviet Jewry Edit-a-thon & Women In Science Edit-a-thon

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Deletion of List of MSX compatible computers

Hi. I would like to inquire about your deletion closure of this article and point out a couple of things. There have been two opinions aside from the proposer's, one "keep" and one "delete". The "delete" was given just one day after the article had been re-listed for discussion, and afterwards, I had started searching for and including various references to substantiate the article's claims that some products belonged in it (though I can no longer show this as the article's history is gone).

Was it not a reasonable assumption for me to think that the deletion discussion would continue for another week after being relisted? Didn't the fact I was adding source somewhat counter the "delete" opinion that was based on sources not being provided? Aside from references, the proposer's opinion, in turn, was basically just that the MSX standard is "antiquated", but then we should have no MSX article in the first place, so I don't see how that's a policy-based rationale for deletion.

I thought a stand-alone list didn't, in turn, strictly require every item to be referenced to be included, and in any case, a bonafide effort to start referencing was being made, even aside from the entries that had their own article and, as such, were intrinsically justified for inclusion (as long as their own article showed the item was an MSX-standard computer).

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lin Liangming

Four keeps and not a single delete after I added references to the article is no consensus? It might have been no consensus before that, but there seems to be a very clear consensus since I added those articles, and documented their contents. Nfitz (talk) 02:05, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Were the sources added before Sir Sputnik and Spiderone reviewed the article? MBisanz talk 02:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I added the sources on November 15 to the article - around 5 pm Eastern. User:Sir Sputnik reviewed on November 12 and User:Spiderone reviewed on November 13. Now to be honest I did mention the same sources in the deletion discussion on November 8, however User:Fenix down and others requested further information about what Chinese-languages sources said on November 9 - and I did so on November 15, with translations of the article names provided in the article on that day. None of them weighed in again during the debate. I don't know if that's because they just weren't aware, or if they simply didn't have anything further to add. Nfitz (talk) 00:42, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I've undone my close and re-listed it to give further time to evaluate the new sources. MBisanz talk 03:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Dec 9: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC; Dec 12: Art & Law editathon + Dec 13: Black Film editathon

Wednesday December 9, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

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Jovago page creation

Hi, I would like to create a page for the african travel website Jovago.com but it says that A page with this title has previously been deleted. Is it possible to create a new one ? Sources: Le Monde Afrique, Jeune Afrique, BBC, Huffington Post... [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Best, --Lolom26 (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

You should submit it to WP:AFC. MBisanz talk 20:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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X76

Please restore the Stagecoach West Scotland Route X76 article to my namespace for further improvements. Pablothepenguin (talk) 09:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

See User talk:Pablothepenguin/Stagecoach West Scotland Route X76. MBisanz talk 20:35, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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Saturday January 16: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference

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2015 Los Angeles Unified School District closure

While I was away, you close 2015 Los Angeles Unified School District closure as a redirect. The content of the redirect has not been properly made. Please copy the article in question to my sandbox so I can insert some more details and cleanup. Trackinfo (talk) 19:56, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done MBisanz talk 23:35, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

2015 Los Angeles Unified School District closure

Would you be willing to provide a reason why 2015 Los Angeles Unified School District closure was closed as redirect? --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:58, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

My reasoning was that a number of the participants successfully argued that the event was of transient significance. While you did point out that there were still developments occurring that could result in notability, that gives more support to those arguing for deletion under the Too Soon or Not News guidelines. If the points you raise do develop into lasting notability (e.g., policy change), there would likely be additional sources that would support a standalone article. MBisanz talk 23:39, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Green Party of New Jersey for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Green Party of New Jersey is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Clyde cancer cluster

Hello. I was told on IRC that you're a lawyer and that you may be able to help me long term with an article that has need for expansion of information on law called Clyde cancer cluster. The cluster is, or at least was, a huge deal in Clyde for years, but the problem is, it's hard to recruit editors for it because it's a hard topic that needs attention for its coverage of the law, the chemistry, and the cancer. I was going to ask you if you could personally do extensive help with me on improving the article. My goal is to get Clyde cancer cluster Good Article status on Wikipedia, being the first article about Clyde, Ohio to have Good Article status besides Winesburg, Ohio (novel). I know this is weird, but I have a weird fantasy about seeing a big green + on the top right corner of that page by community consensus.

Anyway enough of the overall goal. I just wanted to know if you wanted to help. What I'm requesting to you is; can you and I exchange reference links and you make comments on them and then I make comments on them, we each make edits to the article according to references, and if I have questions about something I don't understand about the law issues, etc., then I can ask you? It's sort of a WikiFriendship as I like to call it. Are you interested? Philmonte101 (talk) 09:03, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Phil, I'm not the best at writing the content, but if you just want my thoughts on links or topics, I'm happy to help. MBisanz talk 17:08, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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Reversal of an AfD close you made

See [8] I've reversed it, would you like to comment on the editor's page . Thanks. Doug Weller talk 07:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi MBisanz, I think you should reconsider your close at this AfD. You closed it as "redirect" even when there was no consensus for "redirect". Result should have been "no consensus" or at least "merge". If we see !vote wise, 1st !vote of Kitfoxxe was "merge". Then Chris55 !votes "Redirect and transfer to Michael H. Hart article" (means merge). Dragons flight=keep, BD2412=merge, Gamaliel=keep, Mnnlaxer=redirect(only redirect !vote on AfD), GuzzyG=KEEP, Sandstein=merge, DGG=Keep. So, you can see there is only one "redirect" !vote and rest of editors were either asking to keep or merge, so closing it as "redirect" was not good decision. Neither there is clear consensus to merge the article, it should have been "no consensus" close. I hope you will re-think over it. Thank you.--Human3015Let It Go  09:18, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Redirecting does not prejudice merging of content because the content still existing in prior revisions. I closed as "redirect" instead of "merge" because of Kitfoxxe's and Mnnlaxxer's comments indicated there was not much content to be moved to the remaining article. MBisanz talk 01:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Miss_Nederland_2013

Just a heads up that the close at this AfD [9] should include deletion of the series of articles from Miss_Universe_Nederland_1991 to Miss_Universe_Nederland_2015. If you don't agree, let me know so I can AfD them one by one but that is a lot of extra work. Legacypac (talk) 02:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done MBisanz talk 02:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

One more Miss_Nederland_2010 Legacypac (talk) 04:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

AfD You Closed

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evolution of folded eyelids, which Seagull123 opened, and you closed, has been recreated as East Asian mythology about the evolution of folded eyelids. I don't know how the article looked at the end of the AfD, so I'm pinging you to see if it is a G4. Thanks, CrowCaw 21:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

It was identical, so I re-deleted it. Feel free to remind the author that the AFD result means the article is not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, regardless of the page title. MBisanz talk 21:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Who do I talk to to override your decision (or just to report you)? Where do I upload such petition? Your excuse for deletion doesn't apply when the title is named differently as it is a different topic & it is properly referenced. I will upload again.

Wikibreaking (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

You are avoiding my question. Who do I talk to to override that decision or to report you? It is a properly referenced article which you are claiming to be not referenced for removal.

Wikibreaking (talk) 22:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Your excuse was about the title. Your excuse for deletion was that the title was wrong. That the content was about the myths while the title was about evolution. Hence, your nonsense doesn't apply when the title is set as myths. There is nothing to change in the article. It is properly referenced. How does your excuse for removal apply when the title is different?

Wikibreaking (talk) 22:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I posted a petition specifically mentioning how the excuse for removal was about the title & how the excuse doesn't apply when the title is different.

Wikibreaking (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

You deleted "East Asian mythology about the evolution of folded eyelids" for no reason

When you deleted the previous "The evolution of folded eyelids", your excuse was that it didn't say anything about evolution specifically whilst the content was about the existing myths in the topic. So, I recreated using the different article title. I named the title "myths" & the content was about "myths". Why did you delete this time? If you are claiming it is not referenced *because you can't read Korean* despite me having already summarized the quoted newspaper, that's your problem. That doesn't make it not referenced. If you are claiming that a reference in foreign language can't be used, I would like to see that rule as I've seen plenty of foreign references. It's a specifically existing topic of significant facts (as in being notable).

Wikibreaking (talk) 21:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I deleted it because people (i) believed it was not notable as an independent topic and any relevant material should be included in Epicanthic fold and (ii) other noted the sourcing for the assertions made in the article was inadequate. Sources may be in foreign languages, but the participants in the discussion believed that there was insufficient sourcing of the "myths" described in the article. MBisanz talk 02:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
1. Just because people believe it not to be notable doesn't make it so. Wiki defines notability as "having had a coverage" & "being able to be verified", which I proved by providing references. 2. Also, it is a different topic from Epicanthic fold. Peanut shouldn't be included in the topic walnut. 3. Participants believing or not believing the sources is irrelevant how the sources are legitimate, especially if the participants are not even qualified to judge what the source (such as a newspaper) is. 4. I split the article into 2 separate parts. The first part is on the myths of double-eyelids. The second part is on Korean eyes. I made it into a separate article, but it got deleted because it was mentioned in the previous article that got deleted. I am trying to get approval for each part separately. Put my article back on please. Wikibreaking (talk) 06:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_January_17#East_Asian_myths_about_the_evolution_of_folded_eyelids Wikibreaking (talk) 06:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Focus separately on the topic Korean eyes & on the topic myths about double-eyelids. As for the topic on Korean eyes, I quoted 5 Google books on Ethnology. So, this should be posted. Just get this done for now. Wikibreaking (talk) 06:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
As for the myth part, the one I used as reference is a Korean newspaper Hankyore http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/science/kistiscience/95532.html which the English version is here. http://english.hani.co.kr/ You can clearly see that it's a newspaper website. As for the contents in the newspaper, I gave you a summary in the article. After introducing the myth (the general perception), the related scientific facts speaking against the myth are a legitimate related topics, which I included after introducing the myths. The sources were UCHealth, weather.com, livescience, all scientific channels quoting research institutes. A bunch of nobodies deciding the scientific channels & their quoted research institutes is just ridiculous. It's not up to them to decide. Wikibreaking (talk) 06:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Since you are the one who removed my article, please read everything here thoroughly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_January_17
TLDR. The definition of notability on Wiki is having been covered as an existing topic & being able to be verified. I provided links for each point. That's why I was saying that false claims were made on notability & the legitimacy of the sources. My article was wrongfully deleted. Appeal to Popularity is a logical fallacy. Whether many people wish the article to be deleted or not, that doesn't mean any Wiki rule is actually violated. Many people can be wrong while 1 person against them is right. Also, because of some annoying unqualified people claiming "a reference in Korean language doesn't count as a reference", I split the article into 2 separate parts to get approval for each part separately.
TLDR. 1. Just because people believe it not to be notable doesn't make it so. Wiki defines notability as "having had a coverage" & "being able to be verified", which I proved by providing references. 2. Also, it is a different topic from Epicanthic fold. Peanut shouldn't be included in the topic walnut. 3. Participants believing or not believing the sources is irrelevant how the sources are legitimate, especially if the participants are not even qualified to judge what the source (such as a newspaper) is. 4. I split the article into 2 separate parts. The first part is on the myths of double-eyelids. The second part is on Korean eyes. I made it into a separate article, but it got deleted because it was mentioned in the previous article that got deleted. I am trying to get approval for each part separately. Put my article back on please.
TLDR. Focus separately on the topic Korean eyes & on the topic myths about double-eyelids. As for the topic on Korean eyes, I quoted 5 Google books on Ethnology. So, this should be posted. Just get this done for now.
TLDR. As for the myth part, the one I used as reference is a Korean newspaper Hankyore http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/science/kistiscience/95532.html which the English version is here. http://english.hani.co.kr/ You can clearly see that it's a newspaper website. As for the contents in the newspaper, I gave you a summary in the article. After introducing the myth (the general perception), the related scientific facts speaking against the myth are a legitimate related topics, which I included after introducing the myths. The sources were UCHealth, weather.com, livescience, all scientific channels quoting research institutes. A bunch of nobodies deciding the scientific channels & their quoted research institutes is just ridiculous. It's not up to them to decide.Wikibreaking (talk) 21:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm happy to let the participants at DRV review my close. MBisanz talk 02:20, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
They are agreeing with your close because they are supporting the lies of "not notable" & "not legitimate references", which are false. I provided sufficient reasoning why the topic is notable by Wiki's definition & why the references are legitimate. They are skipping over that part. Either provide specific details which sentences are problematic (if you claim there to be many, a couple examples are fine aside from how the rest of them should be uploaded anyway) or fix the false claims accepted to close my article.

Wikibreaking (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Wikibreaking: Just to clarify, It's not your article. Mlpearc (open channel) 22:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
That's just playing around with words as usual. Also, I was the one who started that article, so referring to the deleted article as "my article" is conventionally legit.
It fits the definition of lie completely when you claim a topic to be not notable (which Wiki defines as having a coverage & being able to be verified) when I provided links covering the topic. It is completely a lie when you claim a source to be not legitimate when it is a genuinely accepted type of source by MLA, APA or Wiki. All the sources I used at all were Google books (legit), newspapers (legit), scientific channels quoting research institutes (legit). What else did I use really? Also, even if there was 1 sentence problematic at all, what's up with deleting the entire article? You see the injustice in this?
The point is that "false claims were made against my article to delete the article". And you are just not admitting that you accepted false claims to close the article.Wikibreaking (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Donald Braswell II

Dear MBisanz,

I do hope I'm doing this request properly. I am not very adept at Wikipedia. I apologize if I did it wrong. I've only just discovered that the article about Donald Braswell II which I played an integral part in creating has been deleted, without any notification, by just a couple people who decided it should go. No real discussion took place. It is distressing that contributors who have spent countless hours creating something that seemed to be deemed acceptable (after hours of requested changes), can have it deleted by the whim of so few people. I believe many, if not most, contributors are not wanting permanent jobs to watch their articles on Wikipedia nor are experts about Wikipedia. Once an article is finished, we should have confidence that the information will be there. I'm having to relearn how to get around Wikipedia again so no doubt I will do things wrong. In this case the proposed deletion was stated due to Donald Braswell not being notable enough. There are many reasons I feel he is notable:

- He is a Juilliard graduate on a full-ride scholarship.

- He is a student of the famed Maestro Franco Corelli and Marni Nixon, who provided the singing voice for people such as Deborah Kerr in the The King and I and Natalie Wood in West Side Story.

- He won the Liederkranz Foundation Vocal Competition

- He received a grant to the The Licia Albanese-Puccini Foundation and performed at the Grand Plaza Hotel in New York.

- He performed world-wide in opera companies including the Welsh National Opera Company among others.

- He overcame an accident that took his voice away for 11 years, despite doctors saying he wouldn't.

- He has performed 3 times in Carnegie Hall

- He was a 4th place winner of America's Got Talent

- He as performed with multiple symphonies

- PBS produced and televised a live mini-concert video called "New Beginnings". Diane Bliss was the producer whose other talents include Riverdance, Michael Buble and Daniel O'Donnell.

- He has a published biography: http://www.amazon.com/Revival-Tenor-Voice-Found-Calling/dp/1942428626/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453012256&sr=8-1&keywords=Donald+Braswell

- He has 4 CDs, the first is New Chapter: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/new-chapter/id287932877 The second is We Fall We Rise Again https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/we-fall-and-we-rise-again/id374454751 The third is Unchained https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/unchained/id470545909 The fourth is https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/the-travelers-tale/id934600237

- His fourth album was composed and produced by Mark Neidzweidz a platinum disc awarded songwriter/composer, formerly signed to MCA and Universal music. Artists that have recorded/sung his tracks include - Ennio Morricone - LeAnn Rimes - Katherine Jenkins - Matt Dusk - Ronan Keating - international Pop Idols.

Both of his parents were on Broadway and his mother performed multiple times on the Arthur Godfrey Show and won the audience contest. His father has an album. His mother shared a Jack and Jill apartment with Grace Kelly and her best friend was Florence Henderson. She turned down an offer to make movies with MGM. When his mother had to quit her Broadway leading role due to pregnancy, she was replaced by Julie Andrews. (I created a page for his father and was going to do one for his mother, but a Wikipedia bully took it down too, saying he wasn't notable.)

I'm sure I'm forgetting other accomplishments. Why is Donald Braswell II not notable enough? How much more does a person have to do to qualify as someone whose history is worth documenting? I've certainly seen and enjoyed learning about people on Wikipedia with much less notoriety. If someone is searching for information on some of these, shouldn't Wikipedia have it there, since it wants to be an encyclopedia of everything? For instance, why is it right to have every WWE wrestler listed on Wikipedia. How is it they are more notable than Donald Braswell?

Please consider reinstating the Donald Braswell II pages. Thank you. Wikiauthenticity (talk) 00:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikiauthenticity I voted delete at the article because I found no better convincing coverage about him. If you can find ample coverage sources about him overall, feel welcome to restart the article at User:Wikiauthenticity/Donald Braswell but it will have to be convincing enough to keep (see WP:GNG). SwisterTwister talk 02:53, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Again I don't know if I'm doing this editing properly, but giving it a try. Can you be more precise about "it will have to be convincing enough" for you to approve the article? Are you saying the above accomplishments do not warrant a page and he has to have more before you will accept it? Or are you saying that they have to be described on the internet by news media before you will accept the page? Most of the articles about the events are no longer on the net and some never were there. Is Wikipedia more interested in facts about a person or more interested in internet publicity about someone? Links I had in the article periodically go away and I have no control about that. There is plenty of internet evidence of his AGT performances. I ran into the same problem with the page for Donald Braswell (his father), because all of his accomplishments were before the internet existed.
Please before spend weeks and weeks updating the page again, let me know what you are looking for, beyond what I listed above. For example I did a random search on Wikipedia and there is one for Suzanne Rochon-Burnett. The links for the supporting documents no longer exist, though I'm sure they were there once. She only had one accomplishment and by your assessment, I think, shouldn't warrant a page. I think she should have one because it is trivia we look for when we search Wikipedia. By that measure, just the win in AGT should be a big enough justification for a page. Isn't Wikipedia a place where we should be able to find information on everything we possibly can?
Also the page you set up for me to edit is for Donald Braswell, not Donald Braswell II. That was a long drawn out discussion years ago for keeping Donald Braswell II. Am I back having to fight that battle again? The user page you pointed me to to rebuild the page is blank. Is there no way to start with the old page and modify it? Thank you, Wikiauthenticity (talk) 04:11, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I put a copy of it at User:Wikiauthenticity/Donald Braswell for you to work on. MBisanz talk 02:25, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Doesn't this need a draft template so it's noindexed and something done about categories? Doug Weller talk 17:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks. MBisanz talk 02:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
And thank you. Doug Weller talk 19:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dreieck Kassel-Süd

I am writing to discuss your close.  The nominator didn't submit a deletion argument.  The only two delete !votes looked at the article, but article content does not determine notability.  There was one unamplified claim that the topic fails the essay WP:RUNOFTHEMILL, but the essay itself is about cul-de-sacs and the problem that comes from covering every street in every square mile of a city, which has the effect of showing that the kreuzes and dreiecks, of which there are estimated to be 200, are the very opposite of WP:RUNOFTHEMILL.  We know from WP:GEOROAD that we want coverage of the autobahn "network", and this article is an autobahndreieck.  Given the weak arguments for non-notability, what rational basis is there to consider whether the topic is both non-notable and insignificant, i.e., deletable?  Determination of insignificance requires only to know that each dreieck connects two Autobahns.  In this case, the dreieck connects A7 and A44, and terminates A44.  As a working principle, I don't oppose redirect with option to merge to Bundesautobahn 44, as this is sufficient for our content contributors to proceed.  But given the weak arguments for non-notability and the absence of arguments for deletion, what is the basis for the close?  Am I missing something here?  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 04:17, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

The basis was that those arguing to keep the article didn't include references citations to support its notability. While there are some interesting facts about this traffic feature, without citations they don't support notability. MBisanz talk 19:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Is this what you mean?  As for the 2004 name change and associated controversy, I found this by reading one of the references in the article.  I'm not aware of any place in policy where it says that keep !votes have a burden not shared by delete !votes.  But if you are not satisfied with the keep !votes, the delete !votes have provided no foundation for a delete, so what is the problem with closing as a redirect to one of the Autobahns?  The essay WP:AFD/Common outcomes, states, "** Highway exits should be listed in an article on a highway, not as a separate article, except for some highly notable ones (e.g. the Springfield Interchange near Washington, D.C.)."  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Keep isn't held to a higher standard than delete (nor are non-English sources a problem). If you tell me sources 1 and 3 discuss the interchange, I'll believe you, but I find it hard to believe the other AFD participants didn't do their due diligence. MBisanz talk 02:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
While helpful, I find this response problematic.  Without guidelines that tell me which !votes implied due diligence and which didn't; if I disagree, I don't know if it is your guidelines with which I disagree, or your opinion. 

But the issue of non-notability aside, I've not seen you respond to my on-going point, amplified at WP:Insignificance, that the delete !votes have not attempted arguments that extend non-notability to the level of deletion.  WP:Insignificance#Notes identifies applicable quotes from longstanding policies and guidelines.  Examples of what is said there are,

  • WP:N states, "For articles of unclear notability, deletion should be a last resort."
  • WP:REDIRECT#Reasons for not deleting states, "...avoid deleting redirects if...1. They have a potentially useful page history..."
  • WP:REDIRECT#Reasons for not deleting states, "...avoid deleting redirects if...3. They aid searches on certain terms."
  • WP:REDIRECT#Reasons for not deleting states, "...avoid deleting redirects if...7. The redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article...
Do you have a problem with "Redirect to Bundesautobahn 44 with template R with possibilities"?  Respectfully, Unscintillating (talk) 18:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
No, definitely no objection to a redirect. MBisanz talk 19:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I request that you change your close to "Redirect to Bundesautobahn 44 with Template:R with possibilities" and restore the edit history.  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 22:08, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 Done MBisanz talk 22:45, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Article "Asia America Initiative" deleted on 7/12/2015

Hello, I wanted to ask you about the article for Asia America Initiative that was deleted on 7/12/2015. I was about to write my own article for the organization, but I saw that it had previously existed. It seems that it was deleted, because it didn't have enough supporting sources. I am knowledgeable of the organization, and could supply a few articles and other sources that would help solve this problem. What are your thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeia618 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it could work. I think you should submit a draft with the sources at WP:AFC. MBisanz talk 19:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Saturday February 6 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon

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bureaucratic guidance

I seek your informal advice because you are a bureaucrat. According to WP:UAL, bureaucrats grant rights to autopatrol, rollback, and pending changes reviewer. This page mentions the high level of trust and responsibility required to have those powers.

A few days ago, I posted a suggestion on a talk page about Planet Nine, which I believe is now a possible planet, not a hypothetical. The difference is that the likelihood is greater than earlier believed. Within about an hour, a user with the above trusted powers placed the whole section in the archives. It was not a mistake but a deliberate effort.

I wrote to that user and he is very belligerent, calling it garbage and to fuck yourself. There is no need to warn someone because it is clear that such behavior is not appropriate. Similarly, murderers are not released and warned, they are dealt with. Some sort of blocking to prevent further harm to Wikipedia may be indicated but certainly removal of these trusted powers (autopatrol, rollback, pending changes review) is called for when a user is so belligerent.

I provide you with proof.

[[10]] (my original talk page edit)

[[11]] (removed entire section from talk page just an hour later on the guise of archiving)

[[12]] (go fuck yourself)

[[13]](calling my edit garbage)

[[14]] (writing BS and go fuck yourself)

What is your opinion on this unprofessional conduct? It pains me to report someone but I am shocked at this behavior. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy (talk) 21:58, 26 January 2016 (UTC) cc: Wizardman

I'll defer to Wizardman on this. MBisanz talk 19:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Wizardman did not make any comments, take any action or even replied. Would you consider this matter. It is really disturbing to me. Saps a lot of energy which should be going into Wikipedia writing. Why are people who are granted special powers like this? Thank you. Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
@Ensign Hapuna of the Royal Hawaiian Navy: Briefly, I would agree that these edits are not at all what we expect from editors in a collegial environment. That said, bureaucrats are not tasked with patrolling user conduct, this is for administrators. It would be best if you raise this at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. –xenotalk 21:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Opiate_for_the_Masses

Hello, I'm writing to you regarding the deletion of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ron_Underwood_(musician)&action=edit&redlink=1 from the discussion of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Opiate_for_the_Masses. Was going to update the musician's page with the current band but saw it was no longer available. Underwood has been touring (http://www.theprp.com/2015/02/23/news/orgy-ready-two-new-eps-announce-spring-tour-with-9electric-death-valley-high/ and http://www.axs.com/mushroomhead-and-9electric-begin-holiday-national-tour-71441#slide=1) and recently did an interview regarding his current band's new record (http://www.abqjournal.com/692854/entertainment/road-jams.html) which is with the record label Century Media. I think this passes WP:GNG and is helpful to differentiate from the director with the same name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Underwood Hambeen (talk) 05:24, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

You should trying doing a new version of the article at WP:AFC with those new sources and see if it is accepted. MBisanz talk 23:40, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Questionable close decision

Why on earth did you close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthias Berking as "keep"? Surely, this merits relisting or "no consensus". --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 02:53, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm willing to relist it, but the arguments based on WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR were convincing, and no one had challenged them. MBisanz talk 03:45, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Emídio Brasileiro

My friend, this page has been improved.189.5.144.212 (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)Jendiroba

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Well that figures

I see the post you left on my old user talk page at Tbsdy lives all that time ago, yet some goose added a redirect from talk to the main user page. Consequently whenever anyone looks at my user page they see wall to wall bot messages (seriously, bot writers don't check these things?!) and of course I didn't see the message you left.

It's all irrelevant, I promised Brad I'd not return and I haven't, except to tell Jimmy how very sad I am about the whole WMF debacle. But the very least you could do would be to wipe those useless bot messages from my user page. I suppose at the end of the day it has no impact on me, other than to highlight that even though I retired impersonal bots were mistakenly spamming up my old user page instead of my talk page. - 203.217.45.196 (talk) 20:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC) (Tbsdy lives) can't be bothered wiki linking

I've fixed it. Sorry for the inconvenience. MBisanz talk 23:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate it. Thank you. - 203.217.45.196 (talk) 20:48, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Macrium Reflect

Is it possible to request the reinstatement of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Macrium_Reflect? The software has over 4 million users worldwide (including paid and Free Edition users). Any advice for improving the citations on the page would be gratefully received! Thanks, Saul — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaulPainter (talk • contribs) 10:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

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UK miners' strike

Hello! It's totally okey that you changed it, i'm doing a study sort of in school and i just wanted to know how long it would take before my wrong text was taken care of. Have a nice day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.44.1.84 (talk) 11:35, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Minor Barnstar
Thanks for your work in relisting AfD discussions, an oft-unnoticed aspect of Wikipedia that keeps things running smoothly. North America1000 05:16, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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This is by far our biggest event of the year (over 200 participants in the last edition), and every extra hand counts, so please join and volunteer to help us engage new communities!

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Shyla Stylez

Hello, could you please restore the old version of the above article, because she has been inducted into the AVN Hall of Fame? --SamWinchester000 (talk) 04:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Glad someone else caught this. Thanks MBisanz talk 20:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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Goat Store

Please email me GOAT Store that you deleted.--Cube b3 (talk) 18:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent (Art+Feminism!) and upcoming edit-a-thons, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

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QCs

Hi, It has just come to my attention that you recently adjudicated on two AfD discussions; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Bowsher and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Sherrard (barrister) and in both cases you ruled in favour of delete. In both cases the nominator quoted WP:LAWYERS "A lawyer who has received an appointment that indicates pre-eminence within the profession, such as Queen's Counsel, shall be treated in the same manner as a person who satisfies criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO." which actually provided cast iron evidence of why both articles should have been retained as both these people were QCs. The nominator knew they were QCs and argued incorrectly that a subject needs to satisfy more than criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO to avoid deletion. Your decisions have resulted in the nominator nominating a whole bunch of AfDs on similar grounds, pissing off at least one other editor. I think you should explore ways in which you can walk back your decisions. Graemp (talk) 07:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

If there is new evidence (i.e., that they are QCs), then it should go to WP:RFU. Also, WP:LAWYERS is a failed proposal, so the mere fact they are QCs would not mean automatic inclusion; they would still need to pass WP:ANYBIO / WP:NOTABILITY. MBisanz talk 09:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

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Special this month, a Mini-Video opportunity for individuals to share their Wikipedia experiences (during pre-meeting, 6-7pm, and in side-office during regular meetup). A videographer will be present to record 1-3 minute Mini-Videos of folks informally speaking, sharing anything about their Wikipedia-related projects, whether an edit-a-thon they joined, an article they edited, or a class project they were a part of, etc.

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6:00pm - 7:00pm Mini-Video and social hour
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Request for userfication of deleted disambig and especially its talk page

Please userfy the deleted Broadcom (disambiguation) and its talkpage. I especially want the associated talk page because it contained an important discussion that I want to reference here. Thanks. Talk to SageGreenRider 23:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done at User:SageGreenRider/Broadcom (disambiguation). MBisanz talk 00:14, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Re-created article

The recently deleted and salted article 2017 WGC-Dell Match Play has re-appeared as 2017 WGC Dell Match Play. 40.138.97.1 (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Possible transwiki copy

Hello MBisanz, I have a question for you regarding the page Road signs in the United States. Looking at it, it seems the page turned into a giant gallery, rather comprehensive. It is an article but it seems to be an article to host Wikimedia Commons pics. I don't doubt it deserves a place on en.wiki but i think it would be better suited if Wikimedia Commons had the page, if that is even allowed. I kindly request for comment. Winterysteppe (talk) 22:02, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree its a problem and could be moved to Commons, but I defer to people who have been more recently involved. MBisanz talk 14:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi MBisanz, Thank you for taking a look at the article I wrote several years back on Active Adult Retail. I read your comments on why you deleted it and I respectfully ask that you reconsider this decision. The main reason for your objection is the McKinsey Report. I am pretty sure that I did not make this citation and it could have possibly been added later by another user. So, if this is misleading, I agree that this can be deleted. As to the other citations, including the Active Adult Retail article authored by both Rebecca Hardin and myself, this is accurate and used as a primer to the land planning industry and for new 55+ community development. Thanks again for your time and effort on this matter, 198.91.10.181 (talk) 17:26, 13 April 2016 (UTC).

I'm sorry, but I can't undelete it because people raised other concerns beyond the McKinsey Report, including the lack of independent reliable sources. MBisanz talk 14:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Rajiv Kathpalia wiki delete

Hi, Please reconsider closing the Rajiv Kathpalia page deletion as this isnt a self promotion page but an actual artist. As and when I get the relevant links I shall upload. I am new to Wiki so I am just figuring my way around here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shonell Thakker (talk • contribs) 16:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

When you get relevant links, please resubmit to WP:AFC. MBisanz talk 11:50, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judith Ward

Hi, I'm requesting an overturn of the close-as-delete here. Sorry, but I hadn't noticed the AfD. I'm presuming this is Judith Ward, as in the M62 coach bomber?

At the very least, this should have been a merge and redirect to the bombing article, not a delete. Mostly though, maybe an AfD with still so few comments should have been relisted again, or trailed at the M62 coach bombing article (and then I might have noticed it). No criticism of those commentating, but this is also a very UK and Ireland specific article from a few decades ago. If you're UK and middle aged, it's a big story. If you're not, then much less so.

As to BLP1E (and I don't see this applied to Tim McVeigh), then that really doesn't apply. The point about Ward is that she was a fantasist under interrogation duress, not a bomber. Her case dragged on for decades and was one of the celebrated group of IRA mistrials in the mid-90s. That case is an important part of UK legal history, her specific case and handling during interrogation is taught as an example in criminal law and police training. Thanks Andy Dingley (talk) 09:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I've changed it to a merge and redirect. It was relisted twice and listed 3 "related" categories, and the only comments were two in favor of deletion. I agree it's thin, but it can be hard to motivate people to comment, and if discussions are constantly relisted, people get wall-of-text fatigue. MBisanz talk 11:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. The problem is that it's very much an English topic. If you weren't in England in the '90s, or even the '70s, it means nothing. Even the Republicans aren't interested, as she was seen as more of an embarrassment than an innocent martyr, as the Birmingham Six were.
There are at least two significant books written substantially on this case (Paul Foot's and Helena Kennedy's). It's not my field, but I would hope someone might woork on it. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:18, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Pass the salt?

hello! Could you possibly put some salt on this please? It was speedied once and Afd deleted (by you) just a day or two ago.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I added a few details over ont he Londquist talk page that show two of the refs to be from sources controlled by a colleague of Lindquist. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 06:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I will take a look at them. MBisanz talk 12:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Wow. Cool. MBisanz talk 20:30, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Recent AfD closure

Hi MBisanz: Just curious why you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Travel Scientists as redirect (only). Three participants to the discussion (excluding the nom) recommended a merge, two of the three recommended "merge and redirect", and one participant recommended for the article to be kept. Even the nominator indirectly suggested a merge, stating, "Basically, very little can be said about the company that can not be included under the Rikshaw Challenge page". I'm concerned because from past experience I've had, the content will likely never be merged even though consensus was clearly for one. Would you reconsider closing as "merge"? As it is now, the redirect target article still has no mention of the topic even though it is directly related to it. North America1000 05:13, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm fine if you tweak it so that it is a merge. I closed as a redirect because the last 2 commenters were clear that it did not meet the threshold. MBisanz talk 01:43, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 Done (diff, diff, diff.) Thanks for the reply. Cheers, North America1000 01:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

request Harvey & Clarke article

Hi, could you please provide to me a copy of the deleted article Harvey & Clarke (which you deleted at the conclusion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey & Clarke). I would like to develop it. By the way, I make a similar request for a different deleted article at wp:REFUND, but was told it is not the place for that. Thanks in advance for your assistance! --doncram 21:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Emailed a copy to you. MBisanz talk 00:46, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Trump mode effect

I do not agree with your decision to redirect the article to mode effect. Most of the other commenters are clearly biased against Trump and did not provide any other feedback other than "hey delete!" or "hey redirect!". I added many more citations to the article. The article has merit. Your decision to redirect the article just goes to show that most editors were are biased against Trump and will do anything to suppress any article about Trump. Zrh168 (talk) 18:40, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the consensus at the discussion was clearly against retaining the article, even after you had added citations. Wikipedia retains articles based on sourcing, not whether a topic is popular. MBisanz talk 23:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
What "consensus"? Whoever gets the most people to shout the loudest wins? The only person in that talk page who actually expressed a neutral opinion backed up by facts is E.M.Gregory. And I found several additional citations and added them to the article. Nobody followed up by saying anything about the new citations. It seems to me that you have already made up your minds as soon as you saw that this is an article about Trump. That's not how community works. The more people try to suppress this knowledge, the more they're showing how biased they are against candidate Trump. Zrh168 (talk) 09:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome to appeal my close at WP:DRV. MBisanz talk 15:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Deletion review for Dan Vahdat

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Dan Vahdat AfD close

Hi. I saw that you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Vahdat as redirect to Medopad. I don't really see how you came to that assessment of consensus. Yes, two people suggested redirecting, but others specifically said that they opposed a redirect, and more people opted for a straight delete. Could you explain your assessment of the consensus? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I read it as Cunard and NorthAmerica as expressly supporting a redirect; SwisterTwister as supporting a protected redirect; Mhdv as implicitly supporting a redirect (because he wanted to keep the entire article); RockyMtChai as supporting a redirect via merge; and SmartSe, MeatsGains, and you are saying delete without a comment regarding redirect. Lemongirl was the only person I saw as saying no redirect whatsoever. MBisanz talk 15:44, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the explanation. I think I'll take this to deletion review, as I read the consensus differently. I hope that's OK - you may well be proved right anyway. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm fine with that. Reasonable minds can disagree. MBisanz talk 16:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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Deletion Review of O'Neil Brown

Hi MBisanz, I'm writing because I think these articles were deleted unfairly, due to fact that the league the National Professional Soccer League isn't listed as a fully or non-fully professional league at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues making it's status unclear. So when I posted evidence to support that the league was fully professional at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues all the users who voted to delete the articles failed to challenge or even discuss the evidence presented. There only point was that it didn't appear in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, which is only a aide to help to determine which leagues are generally to be regarded as notable. I think to be fair and honest the articles discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/O'Neil Brown should be restored until the status of the NPSL be determined whether it was a pro or semi-pro league. Thank you for your time. -Shotgun pete (talk) 1:05, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but retention discussion are not stopped due to debates in policy. Everyone else at the AFD thought it should be deleted, even those who commented after you raised your point. I don't have a basis to overturn their opinion, so it would need to go to WP:DRV. MBisanz talk 01:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks anyways for your response. -Shotgun pete (talk) 9:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

John Gifford Stower

I accept the consensus to delete this article; and have followed through by removing all obvious mainspace redlinks, with brief edit summaries. Narky Blert (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

I might need a steward

Please see the ‎Me "tattling" section of my talk page, together with Vandal bugging me on Wikimedia at WP:ANI, [15] through [16] at Commons:COM:AN/V, and my notes at Commons:COM:AN/B. Basically, a longterm sockmaster here has begun (or has continued; I'm not clear if it's new or not) cross-wiki vandalism against Ebyabe, and a couple of other users have reported finding vandalism against them by the same person at two other projects. Not sure if steward tools will be able to resolve this mess (there are a good number of IPs involved, perhaps too many for a rangeblock), but it's definitely cross-wiki vandalism. Nyttend (talk) 22:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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Deletion review of Nadeem F. Paracha

Hi! I'm writing for a review of the decision to delete the article Nadeem F. Paracha. The deleted article in question is a biography of a living person, who is a quite popular journalist and writer in Pakistan. I feel that the article in question was unfairly deleted, and I am prepared to fix any issues with the article that lead to its deletion should it be restored. Ahmer Jamil Khan 07:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC) I just reviewed WP:DELETE and I very strongly feel that the article should NOT have been deleted. Please review the decision. Ahmer Jamil Khan 07:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I"m sorry, but no sources were identified during the deletion debate that would resolve the notability concerns. If you can find reliable sources covering the subject, please submit a new article at WP:AFC. MBisanz talk 12:46, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Deputy Commissioner Peshawar

Dear User:MBisanz you have deleted the article Deputy Commissioner Peshawar without any notice. The discussion was continue for deletion. Can you please elaborate why you done this without putting notice as discussion was not yet closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netasif2004 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The article was deleted after a 2 week discussion, which is longer than the standard period of time. At the time I deleted the article, I put a notice on the discussion that I was closing the debate. MBisanz talk 12:47, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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Block

Block user:14.38.180.41 for vandalism. 2602:306:3357:BA0:ADC7:97C6:B25C:268D (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Please do it. 2602:306:3357:BA0:ADC7:97C6:B25C:268D (talk) 01:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
PLEase do the block. 2602:306:3357:BA0:ADC7:97C6:B25C:268D (talk) 01:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Again, please do the block. 2602:306:3357:BA0:ADC7:97C6:B25C:268D (talk) 01:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Just do the block. 2602:306:3357:BA0:ADC7:97C6:B25C:268D (talk) 01:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ateneo Social Science Research Center

You closed this AfD discussion as a redirect to a nonexistent article. SSTflyer 05:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Fix (as best as possible for the strange outcome). MBisanz talk 12:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Hi dear the page Bahari ibaadat was page for miss Afghanistan and model and she is even virfiyed in Facebook and we were adding more information to the page why did it got deleted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroonazizi (talk • contribs) 05:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

There was a deletion discussion, and the Wikipedia community decided to delete the article because there are not enough independent sources discussing her modeling activities. MBisanz talk 12:50, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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Randall Fontes

Please userfy plus talk page, I did not have a chance to look at the discussion, but here are some secondary sources [17], [18], and [19] should address the AfD issues. Valoem talk contrib 20:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

 Done at User:Valoem/Randall Fontes. MBisanz talk 04:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LSU Free Speech Alley

I know this was a while ago, but I was hoping you could clarify the close so I could complete the merge. It was closed as merge, but with no redirect. This is a little unusual as we need to provide attribution when we merge content and the easiest way is to simply leave a redirect. There are other ways to do this but they would require a bit of a work around and make it more difficult to follow the content history. I was hoping you would reconsider the no redirect part of that close, especially as the two !voters for no redirect did not state why this was needed. AIRcorn (talk) 07:31, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Several people expressly stated that redirect was not appropriate. One idea would be to move LSU Free Speech Alley to Free speech zone 1, and redirect Free speech zone 1 to Free speech zone. This would preserve the attribution, but also respect the AFD comments. MBisanz talk 23:47, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
I have done that, but I disagree with your reasoning. No one actually said why a redirect was not appropriate and I can not think of any reason why one would not be. Seems like extra work for no benefit. Bejnar also wanted a link from Louisiana State University, I am assuming a see also link will suffice for that unless they had something else in mind. If you get time could you please delete LSU Free Speech Alley now that it has been moved. AIRcorn (talk) 05:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motor driver L293d

Hello Matthew, can you give me your rationale for the closing delete of this article on AfD? thanks, DeVerm (talk) 22:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Everyone else who commented believed that the article topic was either not notable or was something better covered in a trade journal than in Wikipedia. MBisanz talk 23:45, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Let me say first that I agree with the outcome. I think that the references I brought forward clearly invalidated the WP:N based !votes, meaning they should have at least discussed that and changed their vote probably. That still leaves the other concern but electronics engineers (like me) will get the data book for a chip they work with, not Wikipedia, which is good. The article did not look like a data book entry nor like a catalog page like stated by several participants; I know as I'm probably the only participant who ever used those media. Still, the outcome of delete is valid in my opinion because only articles that are not too specialized for the general WP reader should be included and if we regard the editors as a reasonable representation of WP readers then there is only me finding it okay to include, which is clearly a minority. I had to vote keep to enable to establish that and just wanted to explain that to you. I have been at this point before and more often than not the article will reappear and survive PROD, Speedy and AfD all within a year of deletion and without my involvement. Let's see this time :) p.s. I think you're doing a great job, thanks! DeVerm (talk) 14:39, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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request again

Sorry to bother you but I am back. At now-archived User talk:MBisanz/Archive 19#request Harvey & Clarke article, you responded that you'd emailed the deleted article, but I have gotten around to trying to work on that and I simply cannot find it. I am sorry I did not verify promptly that i got it or not and follow up at the time. But it cannot have come into my email system (i searched on "Harvey" and on "wikipedia" and on "mbisanz") and find naught, and there's no way that I would not find it. By the way, I would prefer to get a copy of the article with edit history to my userspace, as I presume edit history cannot be conveyed in an emailed copy. So I asked for a copy at wp:refund which is not getting any response (perhaps as my posting suggested I might have some version in my possession, which is not the case however). If there is a problem I can restart the article from scratch and ask for a history merge later, but I assume that makes more work for someone and I'd rather take advantage of others' contributions. --doncram 12:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Update: Someone else started Harvey and Clarke in mainspace. I will merge what I have started separately at Draft:Harvey & Clarke. Can you possibly do the history merge or should I ask elsewhere? I can't evaluate whether it should just be lost. --doncram 13:12, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I restored the history under a redirect. I don't think a history merge is necessary. MBisanz talk 21:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Deletion review for Mark Taylor (music producer)

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Deletion review of Geez People

Hi, I'm writing for a review of the decision to delete the article Geez People. The deleted article in question is about an ancient people who made up the ethnic and cultural stock of Kingdom of Aksum and Dʿmt. Historically they are very important people in the history of Ethiopia like the ancient Latins whom are similarly ancient people who made up the ethnic and cultural stock of the Roman Empire and important people in the history of Europe and the World. One example of Latins importance is they developed a script which much of the world uses for writing, and Geez script developed by Ge'ez people is used to write languages in Ethiopia and Eritrea. Considering less importance of Ge'ez people in world history and since there is no more people called Ge'ez there are very few sources indicating the people. I don't know how many reliable sources should be supplied to prove notability but I did manage to find 4 sources from Google books as can be seen here The Iconographic Encyclopaedia of the Arts and Sciences, Volume 1, A History of African Archaeology, A Century of British Orientalists, 1902-2001 and here Ethiopia: A Cultural History. Considering these points I very much appreciate it if you please review the decision again. Thank you — EthiopianHabesha (talk) 16:40, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but other people reviewed the sources you submitted at the AFD, and did not believe that those sources supported an article on this topic. Unless there are sources that specifically discuss the Geez people as a separate topic from the Geez language, it cannot be restored. MBisanz talk 23:00, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't know why they said the sources discuss about a language, but when I read them what I got is that the 4 sources do talk about people. For instance the 1st source says "we must class the Geez people among the African Semites", 2nd one says "These people (indigenous semitic speaking (Geez people)) formed the basic ethnic.......", 3rd one say "Geez people didnot behave......" and 4th one says "the Geez people learned .....". If the 4 book writers believe it is a linguistic group (but not an ethnic-group) they could have indicated uncertainity by saying "Geez speaking people" instead of simply saying "Geez people". Based on your recommendation I've got 3 additional sources he conquered the Ge'ez people, Geez people were descended. and Geez people. Please review them. Thank you — EthiopianHabesha (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
No, I'm sorry, but I won't change the outcome without other people concurring in the review of the sources. MBisanz talk 23:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Randall Fontes

Hi MBisanz, The scholarly work of Randall Fontes was published by Stanford Research institute and is archived at Sonoma State University and was accepted by the university for his Master Thesis. This is what his Wikipedia page is based on. I disagree with the pages removal. See Sonoma State University SSU ScholarWorks - http://sonoma-dspace.calstate.edu/handle/10211.1/1665 Bob Swanson Plantman77 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plantman77 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

There needs to be coverage of him, not just his own publications. MBisanz talk 23:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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Sunday July 10: WikNYC Picnic @ Central Park

Sunday July 10, 3-8pm: WikNYC Picnic

You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Manhattan's Central Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

3–8pm - come by any time! The picnicking area is the southwest section of the Great Lawn, north of the Delacorte Theater, just inside the park at Central Park West between 81st & 82nd. Enter the park at West 81st St.
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Deletion review for Geez people

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Geez people. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. EthiopianHabesha (talk) 14:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Andras Jones (Deleted Wikipedia page)

Hello MBisanz,

My Wikipedia page appears to have been deleted because I am an "Actor with no significant roles in major films" and "Although he won a Young Artist Award in 1988, there's not much aside from that and my searches found nothing good with this 2002 Spin article being the best. SwisterTwister talk". It is an unenviable position in which to find one's self, having to contest such a discounting of one's career, but in almost 30 years in the entertainment business I have certainly experienced worse. In regard to the assertion of insignificance, the Nightmare on Elm Street series is one of, if not the most, successful horror franchise of all time, and I play a lead role in the 4th installment. I have also played the lead in other cult horror classics like "The Attic Expeditions", "Sorority Babes In The Slimeball Bowl-A-Rama" and the "Night Trap" video game. I have starred in films opposite Drew Barrymore, Jennifer Jason-Leigh and Viggo Mortensen, and played a beloved illiterate bully in "Saved By The Bell". All of this can be found on my IMDB page. As for the Young Artist Award from 1988, I won no such award although I may have been nominated. What I can report is that, beyond my work in film, I have had a book published "Accidental Initiations: In The Kabbalistic Tree of Olympia" (Sync Book Press 2012), recorded and released over ten albums with my band Mr. Jones & The Previous and solo (many of these songs have appeared in motion picture soundtracks), and I have created and produced The Radio8Ball Show since 1998. Radio8Ball has been covered on NPR's "All Things Considered", as well as in the pages of the LA Times, The Boston Globe and all of the major Seattle papers, so I'm surprised all your researcher could come up with was an award I didn't win in 1988.

Every year I attend horror conventions visited by thousands of fans of the horror genre in general and Nightmare on Elm Street in particular. While I appreciate that my endeavors as an author, musician and as the producer of the world's foremost musical divination show may not be deemed wiki-worthy to some, it is an insult to the Nightmare series and its legions of fans to suggest that "The Dream Master" is not a major film or that the role of Rick Johnson is not significant.

If you check the Nightmare 4 Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nightmare_on_Elm_Street_4:_The_Dream_Master) you will notice that every other actor listed on the page has an active Wikipedia page. To be singled out this way is really quite humiliating.

I look forward to rectifying this matter.R8B (talk) 06:05, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I have been sharing this disappointing information with fans of the Nightmare series and people are wondering who they should contact to correct this. Should I send them to this page?R8B (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I've asked another user to take a look at the revised article. There isn't anyone to contact to change the decision (I can't undo a community discussion unless the underlying facts change, so it isn't worth sending people to this page), but if people have sources to add, they should go to User_talk:Tokyogirl79/Andras_Jones. MBisanz talk 17:58, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Renames getting stuck

I emailed the mailing list. Not sure if we should hold off on renaming more accounts? — MusikAnimal talk 04:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'll hold off. MBisanz talk 04:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Muddy Waters

Would you please reopen Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muddy Waters (online game)? The sourcing in the article is only cursory at best, and its content doesn't amount to more than listings. None of the respondents have addressed this and I would have commented as such if I thought it was going to actually close. czar 06:16, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the other AFD participants did address the sourcing as "independent" and "good", as well as indicating that it was sufficient to pass the GNG. The AFD was open the minimum 7 days and no one objected to those assertions. Unless one of the other participants is willing to consent to re-opening it, I am inclined not to do so (because of the need for finality to AFD discussions). MBisanz talk 11:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Vishwas Nangare Patil

I would like to work on the page to try and improve it, I felt it was well sourced and the subject had independent sources if its possible could you please refund it to draft or my sandbox it would be helpful as i dont have a copy of the content Thank you -FITINDIA (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

It is now at User:Fitindia/Vishwas Nangare Patil. MBisanz talk 11:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC) Thank you-FITINDIA (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

BAG issue

The issue of bots making inconsequential edits came up again on WP:AN. I posted something which is related to an old bot approval that you handled; I wanted to give you a heads up and a pointer [20]. — Carl (CBM · talk) 13:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Bennett II

Some comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Bennett II about your decision to relist rather than close (given clear consensus) - please can you respond there? GiantSnowman 07:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

AfD Martin Shirran

Please userfy the deleted page. I'm Tony Ahn (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done at User:I'm Tony Ahn/Martin Shirran. MBisanz talk 03:19, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Dice Ailes page deleted

Hello,

I created a page which you deleted and I'm shocked seeing that the personality is one of the recognized acts in Nigeria and signed to a big record label too. I provided reliable sources to the best of my ability. Please kindly help revisit. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzy anslem (talk • contribs) 17:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Please discuss with User talk:SwisterTwister or User talk:Oluwa2Chainz. MBisanz talk 03:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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European Business Awards

You deleted the page of this European Business competition last year mainly as it was too promotional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/European_Business_Awards It is a business competition that has been running for 10 years, attracts over 32,000 entrants a year and endorsement from ex Prime Ministers so could you reinstate the page with the understanding that it will be edited and made more factual than promotional. For sources I can add media coverage links, testimonials from businesses that have entered and judges that have been independently involved. Please could you advise on next steps. Thank you. RsmEBA (talk) 10:25, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you would need another community discussion for the page to come back. You might try submitting it to WIkipedia Articles for Creation or asking User:Sandstein to review a draft. MBisanz talk 18:12, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanikasamy

Hello

The page i created was deleted by you. I provided with reliable information to the best of my ability. Could you please help to bring it back Thanks Godijoe

I'm sorry, but you would need to provide new third-party sources on Kanikasamy to bring it back. MBisanz talk 18:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Below is some of the information that i have collected about 2/LT R Kanikasamy Vir Chakra

His details are in the museum in Madras Engineer Group (Madras Sappers) Bangalore India

Below is is the link from the Madras Sappers association website http://www.madrassappersassociation.org/aboutus/aboutus.html

Link about Madras Sappers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madras_Engineer_Group

This is the copy of the his achievements from the Madras Sappers, Bangalore museum

File:Achivement from copy.jpg


Also some the pics from Madras Sappers, Bangalore India

This is the inside the Madras Sappers, Bangalore India

This is accommodation center dedicated on his name for Visitors

This is the description inside the accommodation center


Hope these help and please do the needful

Thanks Godijoe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godijoe (talk • contribs) 02:47, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Gary Lefkowith Issue

MBisanz I hope you are well. You just closed and AfD that I nominated for Gary Lefkowith found here>[21]. As you can see on my talk page found here> [22] I am finding that Mr. Lefkowith is certainly not happy that I nominated his article for deletion and he is not happy with the other editors who participated in the AfD discussion. There is also a concern here of some possible WP:Sockpuppet and WP:Username violations. This article was created and edited by Mr. Lefkowith and we as editors tried and continue to try to explain the dangers of this and the violation of his username. However, he just continues to insist that we call him and to call others who can substantiate his claims for the article. I would like for you to review my statements and admonishments to Mr. Lefkowith to make sure that I have handled this situation correctly. I certainly don't want to get into an edit war with the subject of an article simply because he is upset that his article didn't meet notability guidelines. I would appreciate any help you can lend to this matter.--Canyouhearmenow 17:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

You've handled it fine. If you need to, point them to OTRS, which is better at handling issues like that. MBisanz talk 00:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Bentley Systems Inc wiki page

Why delete this page? Nearly a billion dollars of revenue, soon to be publicly traded. One of the largest privately owned software companies in this us? World leader in its field of software. Very strange. Do you have grudge against them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.222.60 (talk) 21:16, 28 July 2016 (UTC)


I'll add that most of their products have large articles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroStation). Again, why delete the company? 100k facebook likes. Wide use. This seems very odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.222.60 (talk) 21:26, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that is what the Wikipedia community decided. We base deletion on community discussions of criteria such as sourcing and notability. You may contest a community discussion at WP:DRV. MBisanz talk 00:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

William Susman

Was deleting William Susman with an edit summary "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oil on Ice (soundtrack) closed as delete" a misclick? See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman, which was closed as "Keep". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:51, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, my mistake. It should be fixed now. MBisanz talk 19:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Why delete composer with the composition?

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman was closed as keep, - looks like you deleted the wrong article, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oil on Ice (soundtrack) was closed as delete, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I should have looked above, - thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Octet Ensemble

Hi - I recently tagged this article for G6 ({{db-xfd}}), and it was deleted by Ymblanter. I didn't see the deletion log until now, though, which says that you restored it after Jo-Jo Eumerus had deleted it immediately after they closed its AfD. I just thought you might want to know that it's been deleted again, as you'd restored it before. Cheers, ansh666 22:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that was unintentional on my part. I was trying to fix an error I'd made in closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oil on Ice (soundtrack). MBisanz talk 18:58, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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