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Looking beyond pushing religious inclination to be unbiased

Hi. Your recent contribution to Girnar where you deleted section of Hindu temples was uncalled for. There's a section of Jain temple too. Everyone who has visited Girnar knows that there are many both Hindu and Jain temples and people of both faiths have been visiting Girnar for centuries. Wikipedia is not a place where you would just remove content just to serve a religious propaganda. I have created a topic in Talk:Girnar page where you can find more information. I would advise you to please review it before reverting changes or submitting any edits related to that topic. If you have you want to have further discussion of have any question you can also reach me at my talk page. Thanks. Tannaray68 (talk) 04:05 September 2024 (UTC)

Member_of for categorization in infoboxes

Hi. I saw you reverted my changes at Neminatha and Munisuvrata. The member_of attribute in infoboxes is used for efficient classification. Or essentially means that the subject of the article is part of the said groups. It cannot be added elsewhere in the article. I hope you understand that. ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Parvat, thank you for your humble explanation. I would encourage and invite you to collaborate with me and others on History of India and Indian religions pages to have a look on Jain history. Thanks. Livingstonshr (talk) 20:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! I would be honoured to work with someone with any knowledge of Jainism and India's history. Please let me know if you want to find more information or work on a particular subject.ParvatPrakash (talk) 17:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2024

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively, please note that articles are meant to represent the viewpoint of the entire body of reliable sources on a subject, and should not give special weight to scripture or other works from antiquity, which are usually considered to be primary sources on Wikipedia. One of your contributions to Jainism appeared to place undue weight on the claims made by one of these primary sources, which should be used in the context of additional research by relevant subject experts. Claims made by these sources should generally be directly attributed, and not repeated in Wikipedia's own voice. Please take a look at Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources and neutral point of view, as well as the welcome page to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. Thank you. Remsense ‥ 论 03:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although Atmasiddhi is a popular book and labelled as scripture by certain individuals belonging to a sect, is neither a scripture not any "ancient work". It is written by scholar Shrimad Rajchandra, barely 150 years ago. Also, could you now make some efforts to explain deletion of bhedvigyan paragraph in the lead, as no citations of any scripture or ancient work were present. Livingstonshr (talk) 03:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the bhedvijnān lead, I preferred not to add citations as the adjacent paragraphs didn't have any either. In the comparison section, being a page on Jainism, it is of utmost importance to present Jainism's precise views these individual philosophical topics. It doesn't seem to violate any neutrality as it was clearly voiced "according to Jainism" and not presented as a universal fact. Would you recommend me to attribute it to the writer instead of Jainism? Livingstonshr (talk) 04:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The template's use of the word "ancient" is wrong here, but the fact remains: we do not write encyclopedia articles—which are tertiary sources—based on primary sources, but on secondary sources. Scholarship from 150 years ago also essentially counts as a primary source, as it requires novel reinterpretation and analysis for a modern audience. Please read the policies I've cited above. Remsense ‥ 论 04:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on this, for this very reason I changed the ref to a book written by Dr. Manu Doshi which is a scholarly commentary on Atmasiddhi (from 2008) rather than the Atmasiddhi itself. Will add more citations. Livingstonshr (talk) 04:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. ParvatPrakash (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. ParvatPrakash (talk) 16:01, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

October 2024

Hello, I'm ParvatPrakash. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring were undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Thanks. ParvatPrakash (talk) 20:23, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were put mistakenly. Livingstonshr (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion at Talk:History of Jainism § Sourced Matter About Akbar's Religious Tolerance

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:History of Jainism § Sourced Matter About Akbar's Religious Tolerance. ParvatPrakash (talk) 07:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC). ParvatPrakash (talk) 07:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Image of Subjects in pages on Tirthankaras

Greetings! @Livingstonshr

I agree with most of the edits you made concerning pages on Tirthankaras by removing unclear images as on Sumatinatha. Thank you very much for that. However, I would like to point to two of the edits you made. Your edit on Suparshvanatha was reverted because the image in the iconography section is very clear and does not need removal. If you think it is biased, then please add information about the same. The image does not mention any aectarian information and is an exhibit in a museum today. Another edit on Parshvanatha and on Aranatha had to be reverted for the same reason. Again, I reiterate that you upload pictures that neutralize the sectarian bias. Anything that already exists and is relevant shouldn't be removed unless it violates MOS:IMAGEQUALITY. I hope you understand. Please let me know if there is a dispute without reverting back those changes to avoid an edit war. Usually, if someone disagrees, it is brought up for discussion before an edit is published as we did on Bhadrabahu. ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits are not on the basis of clarity but sect biasness. You have been already warned by adminstrators earlier for indulging in disruptive editings. Also, refrain from using multiple accounts (if any) for editing as sockpuppetry is banned.

Thanks. Livingstonshr (talk) 04:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very much aware of the policies and I had made it clear to administrators as well that this is the only account that I use. Secondly, you are alleging me of something without any basis. I request you to try maintaining a cordial language when dealing with fellow editors and not accuse people of something without basis. You are also causing loss of images and information on pages without consensus on talk page. If you think I'm biased, then neutral the bias. Information loss without solid reason is not the way to go about it. ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The images of digambara iconography of Tirthankars were removed by you and Goyama without gaining consensus. I have merely reversed the these disruptive edits. Livingstonshr (talk) 04:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that someone removed images. However, I did not actively remove iconographical depictions of a particular sect. Kindly show a diff of any edit where I made an unexplained removal of Digambara iconography. If you are trying to accuse me of sockpuppetry, I would also like to make it clear to you that I only have and use one account and this is the one in posting from. You only reverted the replacement of an image on Parshvanatha. However, your edits on the other two pages were disruptive indeed. ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, I've added only those image which are more clear and ancient. Those are not any disruptive edits. Also I'm requesting you to please go through the edit history of that pages so that you will realise that there are some secterian biased persons who have involved in the edit war on that pages. I've only reversed those edits. I hope you will understand Goyama (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will upload better images of digambara iconography of Tirthankars to ensure that proper representation of both sects is ensured with a probable 12+12 split. Meanwhile, kindly do not indulge in sect based edit wars. Livingstonshr (talk) 04:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have not engaged in edit wars based on sect. I honestly accept that I was gravely mistaken with the edit on Parshvanatha where I misread the history and took it to mean that something was deleted by you. Once you made it clear, I rechecked and understood it. I apologize for that exchange of edits. Meanwhile, I would like to collaborate with you on the history of Girnar if you are well-versed with the subject from scriptures. I would also like to collaborate on Khambhat and Bharuch masjids. ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:48, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not well versed with Jain pilgrimage disputes yet as I'm more into Jain philosophy which was introduced to me by Lord Simandhar Swami Jain missionaries in Europe. I'm more into Uttaradhyayan Sutra, Gandharvada, Atma Siddhi and Samaysara. Livingstonshr (talk) 04:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, then we could also collaborate on the page on philosophies. I was also looking at writing at length on Jain Yoga which has no mention on Wikipedia. Haribhadra's Yogadristisamuccaya and Hemachandra's Yogasastra along with Yasovijaya's Gyansar are my base for now. I am yet to study Samaysar, but I have heard very positively about the same. If you could initiate something on Jain Yoga sooner or later, I would join in to work on that! ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samaysar & Pravachansar are core Jain scriptures, found them identical to Gyansar (explained by colleagues a bit). However I didn't find good English books on Gyansar and Haribhadra's works, they were mainly in Gujarati. I had received these videos on a local Jain group for Jain Tirthankar yoga. Maybe you can refer them. Just type Tirthankarasanas series on Google and you will get the 3 parts on YouTube. Livingstonshr (talk) 05:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll read those then. By any chance, are you sure that these books aren't biased against any particular sect? I come from outside of Jainism, and have gained my knowledge mostly from PV at BHU in Varanasi. I was mainly taught Haribhadra's and Hemchandra's works. The latter's Yogasastra is available in multiple languages. If you suggest these, I assume they would be good sources cause I read your piece on Bhedvijnana and I found it on point. It was a succint and sharp piece that simplified the term to a great extent. Kudos to you for that. Also, I insist you to read Gyansar once. It has a very detailed portion on the substances on the universe as well as on how Anekantavada can be applied and described to those who haven't been brought up in a Jain environment. The word 'amusing,' I must say, would undermine the capability of the work. I read it in Gujarati, but I think it does exist in Hindi, if you're comfortable with that. I'll surely share sources if I find them in English. Thanks for the suggestions! ParvatPrakash (talk) 05:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]