User talk:James470

This is not the place to congratulate me on basic things any monkey can do. If you have criticism of me, speak honestly and plainly, and without worry for my interpretation of some half-baked Wikipedia policy requiring an insincere simulacrum of civility.

Welcome!

Welcome to Wikipedia, James470! I am Themfromspace and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome!

Them From Space 00:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the cookies, they were delicious. James470 (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of compositions by Richard Wagner

Hi. Thanks for your note. Were you referring to List of compositions by Richard Wagner? If so I'd be happy to make a genre/form column if you wanted to have a go at filling it. Re (composition?) completion dates I think it might be a bit tricky. What source would you use? --Klein zach 01:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was talking about List of compositions by Richard Wagner. To source the year of completion, first I'd go off Deathridge, Gock, and Voss, and after that I'd look for papers disagreeing with or problematizing the dates given in the WWV. But I have to tell you, I don't know anything about programming. Even HTML is a little beyond my skills. I can handle wiki mark-up, though. So you might have to explain how to put in the data without breaking the program. James470 (talk) 01:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I've added a 'Form or genre' column and filled in some of them. Perhaps you'd like to have a go at continuing this? (Though please note the German capitalization!). What you need to do is add the text between the two pairs of break marks, e.g. || HERE ||.

If it helps this is what the code looks like:

{| class="wikitable sortable"
!|WWV!!|Form or genre!!|Title!
|-
|nn||form/genre||title
|}

which is rendered as:

WWV	Form or genre	Title!
nn	form/genre HERE	Title Title

Re completion dates, this is actually something we have stopped doing for other lists because of the difficulties in defining it. Instead we have put composition dates which may be vaguer but also are less likely to be challenged. Would you be OK with this? --Klein zach 02:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think I can manage to add to that without breaking it. As for the years, it seems to me now that the WWV is fairly chronological, so perhaps in Wagner's case there might not be much benefit to having both the WWV field and the year of completion (or composition). James470 (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good. It would probably be more useful anyway if we checked and maybe expanded the titles. I don't know how reliable the present list is. By the way, you might consider putting something about yourself on your user page. If other editors have some idea of who you are, things can go more smoothly. --Klein zach 01:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herbeck/von Herbeck

Hi, James, Well, I think there are three separate questions:

The two articles I merged were most definitely about the same person, unless 2 people with virtually the same name, the same nationality, working in the same field, shared exactly the same day of birth and exactly the same day of death. Technically possible, but extraordinarily unlikely, I would suggest.
Now, there may indeed have been another Johann Herbeck who worked around that time, but I'm no expert and I've never heard of such person.
As to why the Bruckner biographies have him as Herbeck and not von Herbeck, it's probably because he got his "von" only in 1874, three years before his death. For the great bulk of his life, he was simply Herr Herbeck, so it's appropriate to refer to him that way in a biog of another person. For an encyclopedia article, however, he gets his full final name.

This is a very handy source for some further updates to the article. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 01:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Thanks

You are quite welcome. :) --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 04:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking out loud

If Jesus edited Wikipedia, He'd be called a vandal, a troll, a POV pusher, every derogative name these morons have for experts. Arbcom would even sanction Him. Incarnatus (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand where you're coming from. You just have to accept the things you can't change, as the prayer says.

You can't change the fact that Wikipedia is a MMPORPG masquerading as an encyclopedia. All your editing won't make it into a respectable reference, because it just isn't meant to be that.

The most you can do is to monitor articles pertaining to your field of expertise so you can set people straight when they come to you with misconceptions they got from Wikipedia. James470 (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Say, is your eccentric citation style part of your strategy to distract the morons? Incarnatus (talk) 20:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not. If other people don't like it, they're free to change it to something to their liking. All the information is there, they can arrange it any way they want. James470 (talk) 01:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thnx for Advice

Hi! Yes I am new to wikipedia and im not sure i completely get it. but it was lots of help to me for school so i decided to give it a try. anyways... any tips would be useful. Thnx.WikiN97 (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thnx again. i appreciate it...WikiN97 16:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, umm could you answer a question for me? is there a way to get rid of your wikipedia membership? i really love this site for my school projects, but i just don't think i'm ready to be a member... sorry if this causes you trouble... WikiN97 22:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Now I've got advice for you, Jim. Don't cancel your library trip, but do cancel sharing anything you learn on that trip with Wikipedia. They won't appreciate any of it. Worse, they'll accuse you of removing references and other vandal-bot triggering actions. Incarnatus (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right. James470 (talk) 02:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The stupidity of Wikipedia drama

Telling the truth is against Wikipedia policy.

But you already knew that.

What you might be realizing just now is that anyone, no matter how smart in their subject area, no matter how aware of the stupidity of Wikipedia drama, will eventually succumb to said drama if they stay at Wikipedia long enough. It's admirable that it took you more than a year.

Still, like Global Thermonuclear War, the best move is not to play at all. WikiN97, Shteblin, dozens others, had the good sense to leave soon after joining. It's too late for you and I. We have already played and lost. Incarnatus (talk) 20:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just when you think you can put up with all the lies, fabrications, baseless accusations, stupidity, etc., someone comes along and completely mischaracterizes what you're doing. Even Ned Flanders gets angry at Homer sometimes. James470 (talk) 02:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are... ; also, re Rauchenecker.

two attitudes you can take towards Wikipedia. There's the attitude I take and a lot of editors take, which is that it's meant to be continually improved. Or you can throw up your hands and etc. Of course given other posts on your talk page I am coming to the conclusion that you are a masochist who (unlike me) cannot stand the site and the way it goes, and would prefer it were another site altogether with another "governing philosophy" and set of rules- and yet you stay here anyway; but I often leap to quick conclusions like that. If I'm right, though, so goes! And-- thank you for creating the Rachenecker page (though it seems he wrote three symphonies, not two, and that his first symphony was published rather earlier than 1908 - emendations easily enough made, though.) Or for noticing and pointing out that it had been created. In any case, I have edited the link on IMSLP. Best. Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at your talk page. James470 (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Here's the other source I have now found on Rauchenecker's (putative!) 3rd symphony, written/supplied by someone who may be related to the composer; will see if I can seek out more.
Frank Rauchenecker (2004). "Page on the 3rd symphony" (in German). Klassika.info. Retrieved 21 August 2010. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help) // Klassika.info also lists 6 quartets, rather than the 2 or 3 that I had thought existed... interesting... Schissel | Sound the Note! 06:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC) (still amused by a joke perpretated on April Fools' Day regarding a supposedly-found Rufinatscha symphony - actual composer, actually lost symphony, but not actually found - on the discussion forum unsungcomposers.com . Hence putative - once bitten, maybe not thrice shy, but a bit. Cheers! )[reply]

Sounds like that's Amazon acting as proxy for other sellers of course... hrm. Depending on shipping, JPC might be cheaper? here. If it's possible at all. Or if they still have it, try Records International.com (see this entry in their back-catalog, then go to their main-page) - that has the advantage of being in the US, anyhow. There may be other sources besides of course :) Schissel | Sound the Note! 03:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

oooops, you kicked my first contribution out into nowhere. You are right, it could be a plausible fiction...never thought about that. My problem is that I have approx. 300 bibliographical references - mostly in German - about him and it is hard for me to select the right one. So please tell me, what should in general be proven by citations? Every date of his life and every composition? The 3rd symphony hat its first performance on 3rd March 1904 in Elberfeld, I could upload a copy of the programme if required. From the six string quartets only the first two were printed, all the others (existing as manuscripts) got lost during the bombardments of Wuppertal where most of his legacy was stored in the archives. The existence of the other four quartets can only be proven by newspaper reviews. I could provide the respective information... francoloco (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

well, one third of the citations is in en. (i really did my best :-)). So the reader is at least able to verify that the guy was real, for further information - I'm afraid - he has to learn German or French...or try to find a good translator. I just crosschecked my references, among them are about 40 en., 30 fr and some es. + it. references including playbills and reviews, the rest is pure German. But nonetheless I expect the included citations are sufficient for the further existence of the article. Francoloco (talk) 09:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bruckner's Missa solemnis

Dear James,

I just acquired the CD from John Berky.

Bruckner's Missa solemnis is available on CD - Music of the St. Florian Period (1845-1855) together with his Magnificat and two motets of the St. Florian Period.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: I am a Bruckner's freak since my adolescence. I am especially interested in the first version of his symphonies, as well as his religious works. In my mind the best completion of the Finale of Symphony No. 9 is that of Sébastien Letocart (2008). Letocart is organist and composer as Bruckner was. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Symphony No. 5 (Bruckner)

Dear James,

I am reviewing the "Bruckner pages", by completing them and correcting errors when appropriate. Apparently some pages were written by persons who did not listened to the works, but transcribed them from earlier publications. A classical bias...

Example: In Symphony No. 5 (Bruckner) it was written "All four movements begin with pizzicato strings". This is not true for movement 3. I have corrected it as "Movements 1, 2 and 4 begin with pizzicato strings".

As you perhaps have seen, I have updated section 1876 version. I have just acquired the recording of the first concepts by Akira Naito. It contains some interesting differences, particularly at the end of the Finale, which were cut in the 1878 version.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I am a freak of Bruckner since my adolescence. It started when I got my first Bruckner's LP in 1966, i.e., 50 years ago: Symphony No. 9 by Bruno Walter with The Columbia Symphony Orchestra.

I am particularly interested in the first versions of the symphonies, as well in Bruckner's choral works, including that of the St.-Florian period. Do you know e.g., the Psalm 146 (WAB 37), a large work for double choir, soloists and orchestra? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:00, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Board of Trustees election vote receipt

So I voted in the Wikimedia Board of Trustees election. I suppose it was more to find out how this "Schulze method" of election works than for any other reason. James470 (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruckner's Psalms

Dear James,

I am intended to create a page for Bruckner's Psalms 112, 114 and 146. I have a record of these three psalms. Psalms 112 and 114 are available on a CD together with the Requiem, by M. Best (Hyperion CDA 66245). Unfortunately the large Psalm 146 is still only available as a long out-of-print LP (Colosseum SM 548).[1].

The first psalm, that Bruckner has composed, is Psalm 22. Unfortunately I do not have a record of it (yet).

For the psalms of the St. Florian period (Psalms 114 and 146) and the student period (Psalm 112), Bruckner used the old German Luther Bible.
On the contrary for his later Psalm 150, Bruckner used the modernised text. I have added the text he used to the page.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:51, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear James,

It is already stated in List of compositions by Anton Bruckner: While the Masses are set to the traditional Latin texts still used by the Catholic Church in Bruckner's time, Bruckner used Martin Luther's German translation of the Bible for his Psalm settings.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear James, you wrote it, when you created the page on 3 May 2009, 02:39. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: I can read German fluently, also with the old German script. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:10, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Early draft of Bruckner's Symphony No. 1

Dear James,

If you are interested, Midi-files of the earlier Adagio and Scherzo (1865) have been prepared by Joan Schukking and can be listened on [2].

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A. Bruckner's Psalms

Dear James,

For your info: I just have created three additional pages: Psalm 22, Psalm 114 and Psalm 112.

All five Bruckner's Psalms have now a page. His greatest Psalm 146 remains for obscure reasons the least known and recorded (only one long out-of-print LP).

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bruckner's Mass No. 1

Dear James,

I have just created this last missing page concerning Bruckner's grand religious works.
Please do not hesitate to complete it.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, James, for your message.

In the meantime I have added a note and a reference concerning the ascending scale, Bruckner's "stairway to heaven" [échelle céleste in French], Bruckner used for the first time (?) in this mass, and he used again in several in his symphonies and in his Te Deum.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS: When I am writing something about Bruckner, I have always listened carefully to the concerned work and read reliable sources. Sometimes I have also looked at the score.

Bruckner's Requiem

Dear James,

On 21 May 2009 you have written on its talk page:

Personally I prefer Mozart's Requiem. But I couldn't find any good reason to mention it in the article. Bruckner certainly studied it, but it seems that what he learned he mostly applied to the F minor Mass.

I have added the following to it :

Note that the score of the first verse of the Introit is intentionally the same as that of Mozart's Requiem.

I have somewhat restructured the page and added some additional text. Please do not hesitate to adapti it.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Templating myself (ain't Wikipedia hilarious?)

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German Bible used by A. Bruckner

Dear James,

The bible used by Bruckner for his earlier psalms is "Die heilige Schrift des alten und neues Testamentes, mit Approbation des apostolischen Stuhles, Dritter Band" (= The holy book of the old and new testament, approved by the Catholic church, Volume 3), Landshut. You, e.g., find the edition of 1838 of this volume on Google books.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear James,

There is apparently some misunderstanding. I wrote above "The bible used by Bruckner for his earlier psalms ...", i.e., Psalms 22 (c. 1852), 114 (1852), 146 (c. 1856) and 112 (1863).

For his later psalm, i.e., Psalm 150, that he composed 30 years later (1892), Bruckner used indeed another bible, presumably an approved version of the Luther Bible.

FYI: Zimbel is the modernised spelling of Cymbel. The score of Bruckner's Psalm 150, that I have, uses the intermediate spelling Zymbel ...

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:34, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruckner's Festive Cantata

Hi James,

One of the last pages I have recently updated is that on Bruckner's Festive Cantata (WAB 16), which Bruckner composed in 1862 (shortly after the end of Sechter's tuition) for celebrating the laying of the foundation stone of the new Mariä-Empfängnis-Dom of Linz.

This is a solemn cantata, a little bit in the style of Händel. Unfortunately, as for most works of the St Florian and Linz periods, there are very few recordings of this majestic work.
I have, among others, recently acquired the adaptation by G. Track as Festive Cantata for Christmas for mixed choir. Though not genuine, it is a beautiful variant of it.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I have also made some additions (setting and discography) to the Masses (The three early Masses, Missa Solemnis, Masses Nos. 1, 2 and 3) and the Requiem. As you know, I am making additions after verification of reliable sources and, for the discography, only after acquiring the concerned recordings and discussing them with Hans Roelofs.

Invitation to comment

Given your activity on the WP: Revert_only_when_necessary essay page, I'd invite your input on a recent edit of that essay that was, very ironically, instantly reverted. See the talk page [3] if you wish to participate.–GodBlessYou2 (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bruckner's motets

Hi James,

All Bruckner's works have now their own descriptive page on the English Wikipedia, except the (small) piano and organ works, which have an overview page. See {{Anton Bruckner}}. If you are interested in Bruckner's motets, see Motets (Bruckner). Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 10:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Precious

Te Deum

Thank you for quality articles on classical vocal compositions such as Te Deum (Bruckner) and Ave verum corpus (Mozart), written in collaboration, for the parable about editing on you user page, - James, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Three years ago, you were recipient no. 1669 of Precious, a prize of QAI! - We miss you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:01, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hanson's Symphony #2 inspired track in movie "The Boss Baby"

Hi, James,

This is my first comment in Wikipedia. I first discovered Hanson's Symphony #2 when I was a summer student at Interlochen Music Camp around 1978, and I heard the "Interlochen Theme", which led me to the whole symphony, which I flipped for. Very dear to me.

Your Wiki entry on the symphony is very informative, thank you. I just saw the movie "The Boss Baby" on Friday. The movie was released in March, but it's a second-run theater ($1.50 on weekdays, $3.50 on weekend. First-run theaters in LA average about $10.50). Most of the way through the 1 hour 37 minute film (at the dramatic climax, I found out), I suddenly sat straight up and gasped, "That's Hanson's second Symphony!" Okay, not out loud. The track (5 minutes 17 seconds) is on the soundtrack, and I just paid for the MP3 from Amazon. My email is [email protected]. Hans Zimmer and Steve Mazzaro are credited for the score, with additional music by Conrad Pope. It turns out this one track, titled "Love", is the single contribution by Pope. Upon listening to the track, I realize that it is not literally copied, but is a loving homage to the symphony. Since you have mentioned the other two movie uses of the symphony, I thought you might like to include this recent use in your Wiki article.

Thanks,

Geoff Alch

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