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Edit request

Greetings! You may recall our collaboration on Cross-country skiing. Well, here I am cap in hand asking you for a favour. The page Audiokinetic needs a minor edit. The snag is, I work there! I wonder if you'd be so kind as to update the location of the head office to Montreal. It's incorrectly written as Quebec City in the lead and in the infobox. You may reference the info with this 3rd party link. I believe this is the correct process with regards to COI, and I've added a note to the talk page. PS: I see we have some common interests, on a personal note, I've been away from WP lately as I've busy in the St. Lawrence River with my new Westwind 24. Cornellier (talk) 18:35, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

It occurs to me that I could just directly ask people who have edited the article in question. You sprang to mind because you're a good active editor and I believe you are in the same geo as the article. Cornellier (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm back. On third thought, I've gone ahead and done it myself with COI declarations in the talk page and the edit summary. Sorry for the noise! --Cornellier (talk) 23:47, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Cornellier! Not noise, just a vote of confidence. I'm always glad to help. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 01:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Clipper

The article states that clippers were already being constructed in 1795, though they are not a 19th-century invention. Also ships are subcategorized as vehicles. See Category:Watercraft Dimadick (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Mount Washington summit

Hi HopsonRoad, I have a question about the route of the Appalachian Trail over Mount Washington. My understanding was that a few decades ago the trail was rerouted to go over the summit via the Trinity Heights Connector. My edition of the AMC White Mountain Guide from 2012 mentions that very briefly in its description of the connector. I didn't reword your edit, because I don't have more recent trail info. Do you know what the most recent White Mountain Guide says about the route of the AT? Thanks, Ken Gallager (talk) 14:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for writing about this, Ken. I stand corrected, my 10th Edition of the Appalachian Trail Guide to New Hampshire-Vermont (P. 51) says that the trail goes over the summit. I'll make the correction. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 18:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Great, thank you very much! Ken Gallager (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Minor edit flag

Hi HopsonRoad! I noticed that you are marking many edits as minor that don't seem like minor edits. Minor edit has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. That also includes adding references and changing tags. Thank you. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Removing citation tags

HopsonRoad, could you please explain why you have removed citation tags in Jeffrey Jones a second time when it still has significant citation issues? The TV Guide page that you've referenced doesn't include any dates, character names, episode counts, episode names, etc. Other pages at TV Guide may contain that information, but they need to be used in references. And it would be best for each entry in the filmography to be referenced as you can see in articles with solid sourcing like Dabney Coleman and Suzanne Somers. To be clear, I'm not recommending a dozen or more TV Guide references for any article because there are generally better sources out there, but it's fine if the page includes the required information. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Daniel Quinlan, I left a reply at Talk:Jeffrey Jones#Unreferenced sections? proposing to use TV Guide as a source, a week ago, but absent word from you, decided to be WP:BOLD. TV Guide just uses an image to indicate what shows an actor was in without using words. To answer whether the actor was in a given show, I don't see the need to expand further.

I appreciate that other articles may be better sourced and I would in the article, if you could point me to such a source. I don't see the need for references in an article, when the blue link to the movie/show in question shows him in the cast. I forgot that I had removed the second section tag before I realized that I wasn't able to supply references, lower down.

Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

What you said on the talk page seemed fine. Based on WP:RSP it seems like TV Guide is best for television shows rather than movies, but I wouldn't object to using it for movies if it supported what is being said in the article. What concerned me is how you used TV Guide. Also, an image can be fine. I've certainly cited movie posters via newspaper.com clippings, but references need to verify more than just the name of the work when the article is saying more than the name of the work. Especially in the past, a lot of people have copied incorrect information from IMDB and other user-maintained sites and they're full of errors and not reliable (example: Talk:Dabney Coleman § Rotten Tomatoes and other unreliable sources).

To respond to I don't see the need for references in an article, when the blue link to the movie/show in question shows him in the cast., Wikipedia is not a reliable source and a lot of television show and movie articles have mistakes or fail to provide reliable sources for this sort of information.

In general, I've had the best luck with newspaper articles contemporary to the work as well as interviews with the performer. Newspapers.com is great for digging those up and it's free via WP:TWL. For example, I used this clipping for Dabney Coleman's credit for Exiled: A Law & Order Movie and that's also how the aforementioned Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB mistake. I hope this helps explain better. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 21:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate your reply, Daniel Quinlan. I didn't think of the blue links to movies or TV programs in terms of their being a source, so much as leading to the front-line place where the issue of accurate enumeration of actors should occur, complete with reliable sources. Once that is done in the source article, it seems to me unnecessary to repeat the process elsewhere because the information no longer is "material challenged or likely to be challenged" per Wikipedia:Verifiability and thereby no longer needing a citation. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 23:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

That phrasing in the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy doesn't imply that other information should go completely unsourced. And especially not large sections of text like the filmography in this article.

• As WP:WHEN states: In practice, this means that most material is backed by an inline citation. In case of multiple possible references for a statement, the best reliable sources should be used.
• As WP:BLPSTYLE states: Articles should document in a non-partisan manner what reliable secondary sources have published about the subjects, and in some circumstances what the subjects have published about themselves.

I would also look at what the {{More citations needed}} template says: This template should be used only for articles where there are some, but insufficient, inline citations to support the material currently in the article. There isn't an exemption that says citations are optional if they're probably located in another article elsewhere on Wikipedia. I'll also mention again that there's virtually no chance this article would pass muster on WP:ITN/C and it would almost certainly never be graded as a good article. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

On the other hand, Wikipedia:Likely to be challenged says "If, based on your experience, a given statement has a less than 50% chance of being challenged, then inline citations are not required for that material." That said, I'm not so committed to this article that I'll be the one to bring it to WP:GOOD ARTICLE status. Thank you for the informative discussion, nonetheless. Sincerely, HopsonRoad (talk) 02:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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