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Hi Ealdgyth; I know your interest in Christianity is generally medieval, but we have a new editor putting some serious time into our article on biblical criticism with the aim of taking it to FAC. No doubt there are changes that need to be made, but the article does seem to be improving rapidly. If you have a chance to drop by, I'm sure your comments would be warmly received. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:25, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Incidentally, I wonder if you can think of anyone else who might be interested? I had a few more names in mind, but they don't seem to be particularly active at the moment... Josh Milburn (talk) 16:34, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, so not my topic. Quite honestly, I have no clue in the topic area ... not even an idea of what to start with. Maybe a TPS? Ealdgyth - Talk 11:39, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Worcester history articles
Hi there, I've been editing Worcester#History, History of Worcester, Bromsgrove#History and History of Worcestershire. Plus some other odds and ends. I noticed you're responsible for Urse d'Abetot and some other related content. If you have time to look at the medieval bits of these pages and give any pointers I'd be very grateful, as this has been a rather long and lonely task so far. Jim Killock (talk) 19:54, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Ealdgyth, for your note on my talk page, but the links don't work and I can't find the right place to comment. Sorry to be so dim. Happy to comment, natch, if you'll take pity and point me in the right direction. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 20:08, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Explanation on my talk page gratefully received, thank you, Ealdgyth. (I think we all know that sort of overload, here or elsewhere.) Tim riley talk 19:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
re: William of Tyre
Looking at some of your recent edits, you removed parameters that are no longer supported by the infobox. Likewise, when you reverted the edit I made to the article for William of Tyre, the religion parameter is not supported by the infobox person. Your revision only produces an error message which appears here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Infobox_person_using_religion. You will also see the error when you click the edit tab and then the show preview button for the article. His religion was neither visible in the 'infobox person' before I made the edit nor is it visible after your revision. There are no restrictions from including it in the body of the article. Gene Wilson (talk) 15:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm going to switch his infobox over to the clergy infobox - his religion is actually quite important to him as he was an archbishop. I'm just swamped in RL and need to get enough time to actually do the switch which takes a bit more effort than just removing parameters. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:51, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I had to laugh when I saw that after all that effort you put in to change that Infobox, the religion parameter ultimately shows up as 'denomination' on the screen. Gene Wilson (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah... I don't mess with the infobox parameters for that box - technically - RCC is a denomination - the religion is Christian. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I had to laugh when I saw that after all that effort you put in to change that Infobox, the religion parameter ultimately shows up as 'denomination' on the screen. Gene Wilson (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
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Adding self published source for Catholic bishops wikipages
Regarding my adding of" [self-published]" to webpages that use Catholic-Hierarchy.org and GCatholic.org. I already took the webpage up to the reliable sources noticeboard and they have been deemed reliable albeit self-published (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_203#catholic-hierarchy.org). I did it because people were going around and removing all the citations leaving a wikipage without any sources. Considering that the two webpages are basically the foundation for most bishop's pages across all languages, I did a little research and got them certified as reliable by consensus. So if they are deemed to be reliable, then we do not need the self-published tag? I was doing this as a compromise with several others who felt that we should put the reader on notice that the webpages are self-published but did not want to create a workload. I asked at reliable sources noticeboard but no one seems to care there. Personally, I don't think the tags are necessary and the sources track with the Latin-based (and abbreviated) Hierarchia catholica medii et recentioris aevi which I am citing on each wikipage with its page link and then following up with the English language page. Patapsco913 (talk) 15:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Personally, it's a poor source even if the RSN discussion sorta-kinda decided it was sorta-kinda RS. It IS self-published and I suspect if you took the sites to the RSN now, it'd be more likely to be considered a problematic source. If they quote reliable sources - use those sources instead. But that's neither here nor there - since it IS self-published, it should probably be tagged that way and the correct way to tag it is not some homebrew tag but to use the correct tag that flags the article for others to improve the sourcing. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:25, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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Robert fitzRoger
Ealdgth, I have been attempting to provide additional important information into the article, which you have objected to based on the historical sources provided. I am not a scholar and have been attempting to appease you by providing more recent sources, however you still object to the information being added. So that that I don't waste your or my own time in edit warring, can you advise whether you accept Richardson's "Magna Carta Ancestry" published in 2011. Regards Newm30 (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
- I strongly suggest you read up on what is considered a reliable source for Wikipedia. Richardson is a fine source to point out other sources if you are a genealogist. It is not, however, a good source for Wikipedia because it is self published. I say this with all due respect to the work he’s done (I own both it and his other work and use them in my own genealogical research), but it is not a good source for Wikipedia. Check his sources, if he gives them, and if they are current historical sources, they may be useful...but quite frankly any Victorian era genealogical or heraldry source is going to have severe issues. They are riddled with errors and promotional bits. With Robert fitzRoger there is the added complication of another person in the same time period with the same name...it’s quite likely that the older sources you’ve been finding have mixed the two of them up. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
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Roger Norreis scheduled for TFA
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- handsprings of joy...Ealdgyth - Talk 16:03, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Hello Ealdgyth. This recent edit broke the ISBN of the book by Malcolm Bull. Hope it is not an issue with the script. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:24, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- It appears that the ISBN was wrong .. not the script. When the script put the wrapper around the ISBN, it didn't like the error message. I have replaced the incorrect ISBN with the correct one. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:30, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- So it is. Thanks for fixing. EdJohnston (talk) 21:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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This page was tagged for speedy deletion. I looked at it and my gut feeling was there was far too much unsourced or non-neutral content in the article for a BLP, and it would be better to rewrite it from scratch. So I deleted it per WP:G11. However, I notice you recently did a bit of cleanup on the article, though, so would you like it userfied for future improvement? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- No worries. I’ve been working through some maintenance categories...that’s how I came across it. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:39, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, is that "no worries" as in "alright, I'll take a userfied version" or "no worries" as in "no thanks, I'm busy on other stuff"? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- sorry, I just woke up, no tea yet. It’s a no worries on the deletion, I don’t need a copy as I only did work on it because it was in a maintenance category. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, is that "no worries" as in "alright, I'll take a userfied version" or "no worries" as in "no thanks, I'm busy on other stuff"? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Verifying an email message from an RS
Hello Ealdgyth,
Please see this discussion. May I forward to you the email so that you may verify to the best of your ability that it is indeed from the source discussed? François Robere (talk) 12:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Not really, because it's not a good idea to do such things. I would have to agree that it's not a reliable published source. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's the author of a reliable published source explaining a statement he made in that source. Do we need him to "tweet" it instead? François Robere (talk) 17:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I think of "published" as being something a bit more public (and lasting) than a tweet/email/social media post. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:57, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I don't disagree, but a person writing about their own writing or their own experiences are a source on that, regardless of where they wrote. In this case it's a clarification by an author about their own writing that was only asked for the purpose of correctly citing the source - in other words, as a form of arbitration in a TP discussion. And it can be verified. So what's the problem? François Robere (talk) 19:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I believe I stated my issues. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:50, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I believe you did, I just don't understand the reasoning behind them. "Published" in itself is not an end, it's a means to reliability and verifiability - two requirements that are already satisfied for social media posts, which are quotable on Wikipedia, and could be satisfied for emails too. Also, that.
- Cheers. François Robere (talk) 20:20, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I'm on it, Ealdgyth. Drmies (talk) 21:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I believe I stated my issues. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:50, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I don't disagree, but a person writing about their own writing or their own experiences are a source on that, regardless of where they wrote. In this case it's a clarification by an author about their own writing that was only asked for the purpose of correctly citing the source - in other words, as a form of arbitration in a TP discussion. And it can be verified. So what's the problem? François Robere (talk) 19:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- I think of "published" as being something a bit more public (and lasting) than a tweet/email/social media post. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:57, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- It's the author of a reliable published source explaining a statement he made in that source. Do we need him to "tweet" it instead? François Robere (talk) 17:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)