User talk:Drawley

Proposed deletion of Martin Rice

The article Martin Rice has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Matthew Thompson ^{talk to me bro!} 09:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SC Mauerbach

Hi, I removed the fixture/results type section as this doesn't belong in club articles as per WP:NOT, WP:RECENTISM and general consensus at WikiProject Football. If the club plays at a notable level, such information should be included in a season article. Also, "notable players" are a point of view as there is no defined inclusion criteria. Thanks, --Jimbo^[online] 15:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that the fixture/results doesn't belong, but in this case the club plays in the Austrian regional leagues so is not as notable as other clubs so I don't know if it should have a season article, however I still feel it is notbable enough to have its own page. Drawley (talk) 09:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I accept that to some people the American Samoan player (Nicky Salapu) would not be notable, but as most pages for football teams have a "Notable Players" section, surely it is okay to do the same on SC Mauerbach. Drawley (talk) 15:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Spear

He hasn't actually made an appearance yet though, thus failing WP:NFOOTY. Chris Brown made an appearance in the Football League Trophy which is a fully professional tournament, satisfying critria. The mentions in the news items are trivial at best and fail WP:NTEMP and WP:ROUTINE. Thanks, --Jimbo^[online] 09:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for clearing it up. So although it sounds stupid, the article will probably end up being deleted and when Spear makes a professional appearance it would be okay to put the page back up again? Drawley (talk) 11:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, pretty much . You can contest a PROD, but usually a nominator will take it to an AfD if a page doesn't satisfy criteria. You can ask an admin to restore it, the best place with footballers is usually making a note at WT:FOOTY. --Jimbo^[online] 14:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing

Hey, good work on keeping pages updated. Just a few pointers, sponsored names aren't used for tournaments or most football related subjects on Wikipedia - this is due to consensus set by memebers of WikiProject Football. So Johnstone's Paint Trophy is referred to as Football League Trophy (and Carling Cup is Football League Cup, npower League 2 is Football League Two etc).

Also when referencing, the following template is pretty simple to use and avoids bare URLs being used.<ref>{{citenews | url = | title = | publisher = | date = | accessdate = }}</ref> - all you have to do is pretty much fill in the blanks.

If you have any questions or want advice, WT:FOOTY is a very useful place to ask. Loads of editors on there willing to help!

Happy editing, --Jimbo^[online] 14:39, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the message. Didn't know about sponsorship, that will come in handy. As for referencing, I've been using ^[1] style recently, is this ok? Regards, Drawley (talk) 15:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. There's no right or wrong way to reference as such. The above template sets it out in a clearer format, with publishers, dates and links etc. It's also helpful if you're using paper sources to reference. WP:CS tells you about referencing in more depth. Cheers, --Jimbo^[online] 17:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing (again)

Hi - good work on all the articles that you're creating and updating. As Jimbo mentions, it's good to use the format he recommends: <ref>{{citenews | url = | title = | publisher = | date = | accessdate = }}</ref> . The main reason is that it avoids link rot. I placed a {{linkrot}} tag on your article Dakota Lucas, since several of the references are bare URLs. If you leave the tag, chances are someone else will come along and clean it up for you, although it's always great if you can put the references directly in the preferred format. Please leave the tag in place until the references are changed from bare URLs.

Keep it up! FunkyCanute (talk) 17:18, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the message. This might sound stupid but is copy and pasting that template the only way to use it? (I'm new here!) I've been using a simpler, but probably worse method for referencing, because it's quicker. Drawley (talk) 17:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On the toolbar at the top of the edit box, you'll see an arrow pointing to Cite. If you click on it, it will reveal a sub-menu with a dropdown box called Templates. You can simply select one of these and fill out the form which pops up. Click Preview to see what will be inserted in the edit box and then parsed preview, if you want to see what will actually be visible on the article page.

If you need any other help, leave me a message on my talk page. FunkyCanute (talk) 17:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks a lot! I'll start using that method from now on. Drawley (talk) 20:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Dakota Lucas for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Dakota Lucas is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dakota Lucas until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ClubOranje^T 08:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He has played in the OFC Champions League (http://www.soccerway.com/matches/2010/10/24/oceania/ofc-club-championship/waitakere-united/as-tefana/942902/) but I don't know if this league is fully professional. I know there is an article on here that lists professional leagues, but the OFC Champions League isn't on there. Drawley (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC) It's definitely more professional than the New Zealand championship. Drawley (talk) 15:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that NZ Championship teams get to compete in it, along with non-professional teams from Tahiti, Fiji, New Caledonia and Papua New Guinea, by definition means it is not fully professional as described by WP:NFOOTBALL. However, if you would like to argue the point and determine whether that is current consensus, please participate at the deletion discussion - that is where it will be decided if there is enough notability to retain the article. --ClubOranje^T 06:56, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of templates

Hi - a couple of templates you might find useful for external links section of footballers; {{FIFA player}} and {{Nfteams}}, which can be used to link to players' statistic pages on FIFA and NationalFootballTeams sites. Advantage of using a template for things such as common external links is that if they re-organise their site, we only need to modify the template and the links will be magically fixed. Usage is : {{FIFA player|278863|(Player Name)}} and {{nfteams|24280|(Player Name)}}. The "player name" thing is optional, but if not used it will use the WP pagename. I normally put the player's name in, ecause if the page gets moved down the track to e.g. Jim Jones (footballer born 1942) it looks a little silly. If using as a reference, simply enclose them in <ref> </ref> tags.--ClubOranje^T 07:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks for the help. I've been using FIFA and NFT as references on most of my articles, should I put them in external links as well?

Regards , Drawley (talk) 15:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't often use these links as references, just external links, as there is more often than not something else out there which specifically supports article statement, and articles better support "notability" as it were. That said, if using them as references I would still include external links as over the following weeks / months / years the prose will be expanded, rewritten, deleted, expanded...and references will often be deleted or replaced with other sources. I also try not to overdo external links - just a couple of key profile ones. I like the FIFA one as they are the governing body, but not all players have made appearances in FIFA competitions.--ClubOranje^T 07:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks for that. I'll add them as external links where appropriate. Drawley (talk) 17:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Leadbitter

Hi, I'm sure it will get picked up by an admin over at WP:FOOTY soon. If not, I think you can leave a message at WP:RESTORE and it should go through the processes there. I usually find asking an administrator at WikiProject Football is a lot quicker and less bureaucratic.

You can userfy pages for people deleted, or you can create a page in your userspace (for someone likely to gain notability) and transfer that article to the mainspace once they meet criteria, i.e. create the page at User:Drawley/Daniel Leadbitter then once he gains notability transfer/copy to Daniel Leadbitter. Hope this helps, --Jimbo^[online] 17:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright thanks for the help. I think I'll take the WP:FOOTY path and then add the new information when/if the article is restored. Thanks, Drawley (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some tips to help you out!

Hi Drawley, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Drawley/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you.

One last thing to keep as a motto: "It's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article than it is to create fifty unreferenced one-line stubs!" Pesky (talk …stalk!) 15:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How references work

Simple references

These require two parts;

a)

Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>

b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";

== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Drawley/reftest and try it out.

Named references

Chzz was born in 1837. <ref name=MyBook>
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> 

Chzz lives in Footown.<ref name=MyBook/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Something to make your life easier!

Hi there Drawley! I've just come across one of your articles, and noticed that you might appreciate some help with references.

You might want to consider using this tool - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. Happy editing! Pesky (talk …stalk!) 15:30, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I was on a school trip to New York. Thanks for the info, this tool could be very handy. I have two questions though, could you expand on how to install the script as I'm useless at that kind of thing, and also is there an infobox tool in the toolbox when you are editing a page? In all of my articles so far, I've had to copy and paste the infobox from existing articles and then change the details. Thanks, Drawley (talk) 10:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Jerry Sitoe

Hello Drawley, thank you for your kind post.

Yes, indeed your questions are absolutelly valid, and even I made some of those edits with the intention of further investigating today. I am kind of comfortable as I live in Portugal for long time now, and Sitoe is from Mozambique, as you probably know, a former Portuguese colony where Portuguese is the official language. However, I am Serbian and I mostly edit Serbian football, but seems that Sitoe either already signed (link, although pending confirmation from club´s official website) or is about to sign for a Serbian club, thus the reason behind my involvement with the article.

Now, different websites claim different things. Transfermarkt for some reason seems to think that he was a Liga Muçulmana de Maputo player and that he played in Romania on loan (although I wrote he was on loan from Academica, I know, I wanted to double-check that today). That somehow makes sense, as Sloboda is known for scouting anf bringing players directly from Africa, and never Africans already based in Europe, so it would be more likely that he indeed was either offered, or discouvered, by Sloboda as LMM player... but this is just a speculation of mine, needs a source, of course.

About his stint at C. D. Trofense, your source confirms that he came on loan from LMM until the end of the season, when it says "chega por empréstimo da equipa Muçulmana Maputo". To bring even more confusion, it gives another Portuguese lower league club Atletico CP as his "last club", although it doesn´t list it in his career section on that same source. But then, in the Trofense section, there is a source for saying he will wear the number 9 at Trofense, which is Zerozero.pt one of the best sources for Portuguese leagues, however they seem to have removed Trofense from his career as you can see it now... Personally, for me this seems to be a tipical case of bringing a player but for some reason he left afterwords without having played any competitive match for them. What is definitive is that he never signed with Trofense, but they only reached a 6 months loan agreement with LMM which seems to have not happend and he left shortly afterwords. Zerozero.pt would certainly have left Trofense if he had spent some time there, as they are quite precise for Portuguese second and even third league clubs and include them usually to players.

What seems is that instead of Trofense, he ended up playing in Romania with UTA Arad insted, also on loan from LMM. We have confirmed 9 caps and 1 goal in ROmanian second league, and all of them during spring 2012 (when he should have played with Trofense, if he had played).

Now, about his earlier spell in Portuguese Superliga with Academica Coimbra, the first source is missing now, and I am still wondering if he had signed with them, or just been there on loan... Portugoal.net confirms that he was released by Academica, and Transfermarkt says he returned to LMM from where he went on loan to Romania (with the Trofense episode in between as we know). But, was he signed by Academica, or loaned, I am still not 100% sure... Also, he played only one match (although some sources claim he didn´t played any with Academica), is it possible that he was with Atletico CP during that time as claimed Trofense link?

This website, which is kind of the most reliable Portuguese generalistic football website (foradejogo.net), claims he didn´t played any league match with Academica, and also desmisses any spell at Trofense, although doesn´t mentions any spell at Atletico either...

What seems plausible for me is that he signed with Academica, because of his young age and competition in the team, he didn´t get any chances to play, and he ended released and moved back to LMM in Mozambique, where he signed with them but started searching for a club in Europe immediately, and after a frustrated loan move to Trofense, he ended up finding a 6 month loan at UTA Arad. This summer, he went back to LMM who sent him to a probe in Serbian SuperLiga side FK Sloboda Užice. I have been following the forum, and fans are impressed with him as he scored several goals in the friendlies he played with Sloboda, and he seems to have garanteed a contract (Transfermarkt and some Serbian websites already talk as he signed) so seems he will finally get a chance and show his skills.

Sorry for the lenght of the post, but I hope I clarified you (and me:) about everything regarding Jerry Sitoe and his former career. Let me know whatever you think. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 23:28, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Transfermarkt also confirms he was only an unused substitute as he didn´t got to enter into the match as claimed in the article. FkpCascais (talk) 23:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FkpCascais, thanks for your quick and detailed reply - your help is very much appreciated in trying to correct the article.

Haha, classic Sitoe - moving to yet another club when we're still trying to work out the rest of his career! I think you're right with what happened, and thanks for taking the time to look at different sources.

The Academica situation is annoying as several usually reliable sources, including http://www.national-football-teams.com/v2/player.php?id=35553, state that he played one league game for the club, although many other sites - including those you outlined above - say he never played for them. It's hard to decide which source to trust.

If many Portuguese sites dismissed Sitoe's loan spell with Trofense, then, as you say, he must have agreed terms but then left for whatever reason without making any appearances. Not sure where Atletico CP come in, though, as I'd never come across any sources claiming Sitoe played for them! I think Sitoe must have joined Academica permanently, as for him to be "released" suggests the club terminated his contract - if he had only been on loan, wouldn't they have just sent him back to Muculmana?

So, if he moved back to Muculmana after being released by Academica, did he play any games there? Both National-Football-Teams and Soccerway say he went straight from Academica to UTA Arad, which only confuses matters. After all this, here's what I think his career looks like:

2007-10: Ferroviário de Maputo (We can agree on that one, at least!)
2011: Liga Muçulmana de Maputo
2011-12: Académica
2012: Liga Muçulmana de Maputo
2012: CD Trofense (loan) - (LATER CANCELLED)
2012: UTA Arad (loan)
2012: Sloboda Uzice (PENDING)

That's definitely closer to being correct than what I had before, so we're getting there! Please let me know if you agree with my career outline or not.

Thanks for all your help,

Drawley (talk) 10:23, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not having answered you earlier, but I am waiting to see if he will sign with Sloboda and to see if he makes any interview where that could be explained, cause if he signs they will ask him certainly about his career, or at least will present a resume of his past or something similar.

Regarding Trofense, things have gone even more complicate, and there seems to be a rightfull reason why they mention Atletico CP on that link. This source from 31 January 2012 says that he was loaned to Trofense by Atletico! This other source from 20 December 2011 says that Academica had just announced that they ended contract with Jerry by mutual agreement, and says that since he came to Academica at the start of the season, that he was never an option for coach Pedro Emanuel (thus it doesn´t make much sense to have his photo in his article, as Pedro Emanuel never used him and Jerry probably doesn´t even have much simpathies for him).

Now, having in mind that he ended his contract with Academica in 20-12-2011 and that in 31-1-2012 he was loaned by Atletico to Trofense, plus that he never got to play neither with Atletico neither with Trofense but instead played in Romania with UTA Arad during that second half of the season, I really guess that the contract with Atletico was probably found irregular and anulated, thus the loan deal to Trofense which was agree by Atletico as well. Otherwise Portuguese websites would include it in the career, even if 0 (0) stats, but they don´t. The infobox then should actually say that he was part of Atlético CP who loaned him to Trofense with both 0 (0) stats, and then right next LMM and their loan to UTA Arad. I honestly think that would be too much and instead of contributing, it will only bring confusion, also, it doesn´t benefit at all Jerry, as it will look more like another 2 unsuccessfull spells (making 3 in a row with Academica spell also with zero stats) rather than a only month long (probably bureaucratic) error. Also, most generalistic sources, or better said all, don´t actually include neither Atletico nor Trofense. But anyway, I waiting to see if we get some interview or some article about him at some website, and it will most certainly happend as soon as he signs. FkpCascais (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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