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Proposition for deletion (Consolidated with User talk:NE2 & Talk:Ddr games)

You deleted the proposals for deleting two deprecated redirect pages without citing a cause or entering discussion on the matter, what is your reasoning for keeping these pages alive? AeronPrometheus (talk) 22:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Redirects are never "deprecated". Please read through Wikipedia:Redirect; thank you. --NE2 22:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me. According to the article you linked, Wikipedia:Redirect, the redirects should be considered for deletion because they redirect a general search to a sub article of the main topic of search. Forcing a search revealed the main Dance Dance Revolution articles for both redirects, however redirecting puts the searcher on a list that does not quickly link the user back to the main article.

I have moved and consolidated this discussion to one of the redirects for further consideration of the proposal to delete them. Discussion should continue until a decision is reached as per Wikipedia guidelines. AeronPrometheus (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please do not reinstate a prod template after it has been removed. If you think these should be deleted, take them to WP:RFD, but it is unlikely that you will be successful. --NE2 22:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please be civil about this, a proposal to delete is not a deletion. If you feel strongly about this you should voice your opinion here and not take it upon yourself to police an article you have no history in. Please do not remove proposals without first dispelling the legitimate claims of the proposal. AeronPrometheus (talk) 22:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please stop. Once a prod is removed, it cannot be placed back on. --NE2 22:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Consider having a look at Wikipedia:Guide to deletion.--Addhoc (talk) 23:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

More specifically, to WP:PROD. Although NE2 did not comment in their edit summary as required it is correct that a PROD cannot be re-instated. You may still request deletion, but not via this method.LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your attempts to help the issue, Addhoc, however NE2 is unwilling to bring to light his reasons for action and is being condescending towards me. Appropriate reaction has been taken.

NE2, I am perfectly willing to discuss your reasons to keep the pages, however you have not yet even told us why you deleted the proposal in the first place. I'm not attached to the idea of deleting them that's why I put the proposal up, to discuss the matter with others and get a better idea of what to do. If you would please follow Wikipedia guidelines and discuss the issue instead of throwing it out the window that would be preferred. AeronPrometheus (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I pointed you to Wikipedia:Redirect, where you can read up on what redirects are used for. --NE2 23:21, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that is not a substitute for assuming positive intent. I wish you were open the idea of communication besides linking articles to do the talking for you, much less give a reason for your actions in the first place.

Thank you for that link, LessHeard. I had already read that page but didn't look hard at the part regarding this issue (As it wasn't an issue at the time).AeronPrometheus (talk) 23:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Dance Karaoke DKara (Consolidated with User talk:Closedmouth)

You didn't want to read my explanation for keeping the redirect alive? It's better to contribute than to discourage other from doing so. AeronPrometheus (talk) 11:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

What's your point? --Closedmouth (talk) 12:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Listen to other people's point of view before acting, that's part of being a Wikipedia user. I'm willing to listen to yours, but instead of communicating with me you acted as if it didn't matter. I don't mind, I can ignore this, unless you try to stop the page from reoccurring when I need it to be there. I'd rather work with you than against you, what say you? AeronPrometheus (talk) 22:00, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you're complaining about. Under WP:CSD#R1, redirects to non-existent pages should be deleted, with no exceptions. Once you've created the article the deleted redirect was pointing to, you can easily recreate the redirect. Simple. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what intend to do, seeing as how the order I originally wanted to do it in got you riled up. AeronPrometheus (talk) 19:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Sleeping Dogs (Consolidated with User talk:Phuzion)

Dancing Stage MegaMiX wasn't complete, which is why it was in the sandbox. Now instead of properly polishing the article I have to quickly tie it off, you didn't even proof read it. I know you were trying to help, but did you know what was going on? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 13:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I moved the page back to where it was. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Phuzion (talk) 18:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you trying to be funny? Thanks for moving the page back but next time don't, A, create a new user sub-page when it already had a sandbox, B, redirect a wiki page to said new user sub-page. I corrected the redirect, if having an empty page is going to set off alarms I'm sending them to you. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Dancing Stage MegaMiX (Consolidated with User talk:Orangemike)

So how long have you been a DDR player? Your definition of what constitutes a "gaming guide" doesn't make sense. I'm suppose to leave out information about the game just because it tells the reader more than they previously knew? Then the whole article is a game guide. The original version of the article was not in violation of wiki policy, at least not in regards to being a strategy guide for gamers to get that upper edge. The new version was even further from objection. So why are you trying to negotiate as much information off the article as possible? Again, how long have you played and been involved with the Dance Dance Revolution series? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 16:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The "how you are scored" language is classic gamer's manual wording. The use of the second person ("You can score") is a blatant tipoff that this is non-encyclopedic content. Please do not restore it again.--Orange Mike | Talk 16:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

So if a video game manual said "Running will help you win" and the article says "This is a game where you run", then it's a game guide? The sentences you keep trying to delete are explaining what the game labels "winning" and "losing". Telling the reader how many levels there are in Pac Man doesn't help him win the game.

Here's a brief introduction to DDR game play. The letter grades are your score, you only get to see your letter grade after the song is over and there's nothing you can do. Your numerical score is different, you see that during play. However neither of those are going to help you if you can't step on the arrows correctly. Knowing what letter grade you can get won't change a thing, you still have to be able to play the game right. The article explains the premise of game play, and how the game responds. It is not a guide of any sort, you can call it a manual if you want, this is after all an encyclopedia. But if you continue to edit war over this before discussing your obvious POV in the talk page, porperly, then it will continue to get dealt with according to wiki guidelines. Your edits are quickly approaching intentional vandalism. Talk first, the page will still be there when an agreement is reached. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 16:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not DDRpedia. I'm just trying to keep the tone encyclopedic here. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Bemani's Dance Dance Revolution section (Consolidated with User talk:Phuzion)

How is your edit a "serious improvement"? You remove the title list, which all the other major titles have, therefore making the section not fit with the format of the rest of the article. You also unnecessarily paraphrased or removed valuable information, and did not use the {{main}} template correctly. Unless you can back up your reasonings for this edit, I will be reverting it to the previous version. Phuzion (talk) 08:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The list of DDR games was badly formed and out of date, and redundant. Is there really a need to have a "sample" list when the full list is a link away? I realize that it sorta looks out of place at the moment, but as far as style is concerned there's a great deal of work that needs to be done to that article. All I did was touch the area that my current project is focused on. I plan on doing other Bemani series when I'm done... in 2021. If you really hate the changes made switch it back, I'll come back and repair the whole page when I have time. Also please explain to me the misuse of the Main Article template and demonstrate how I was suppose to use it. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 08:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The proper usage of the main article template would have been, for example, if you had listed a few games from the series, then posted {{main|List of Dance Dance Revolution games}} over it. I realize that in the end, the lists will have to be removed from the article and all placed into their own articles, however I think that it should be done all at once. For now, I am going to put the list back into the article so that there is continuity between each series. Phuzion (talk) 08:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

That is not how the Main Article template has to work, all that is required is a description of the information. There doesn't need to be a repeated piece of the list. Deleting information is one thing, replace it with better prose and formatting is another and it's something ALL the Bemani articles sorely need. Don't wait for a big event ot make changes you know are needed, this is Wikipedia, go make the list articles now even if all they are is stubs to start with. Then additional editing can occur along the right path as people find it in them to add to it. I can tell that you actually care about these articles, sometimes I feel alone in that gesture, but don't limit yourself. And if you feel that you cannot take on that kind of a project now why are you denying others the right to make the needed gradual changes? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 08:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll begin working on making lists for each series, and adding them appropriately to the article. I'll probably put the link to the list right next to the actual title, in slightly smaller text, and bracketed. Let's start using the Talk page for the article, though. Maybe a to-do list and such? Phuzion (talk) 08:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Capitol idea, gimme a minute to give the list a look over. Prolly should have refreshed the whole page when I made those changes, I guess I need to follow my own advice. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 08:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Concerning DDR: Mario Mix

Hello Aeron, the other day you reverted my edits on the article of Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix eventhough it were perfectly good edits - according to WP:VG/GL, which I can only assume you are familiar with, since you are part of the Videogame Project. The lists of enemies in the so-called Mush Mode are not to put in. Further more, there isn't any indication that the name of the game is MARIO MIX (capitalized letters). The sources listed in the article itself don't give any reason to think otherwise: [1], [2], [3], [4]... The only one that actually uses MARIO in that form, is a Japanese website. I find it odd you also changed Nintendo GameCube into GAMECUBE. Anyway, I'll redo my edits, and hopefully this time you won't change them back without any reason. --Soetermans (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but apparently you made the same edits to Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party - there is no reason to assume whatsoever that the title is in capital letters. I'll de-capitalize them there as well... --Soetermans (talk) 16:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

MOS

Please take a look at WP:MOSTM, which you are screwing up DDR articles by ignoring. The Mario Mix one is a good example, where you went through and capitalized things that aren't suppose to. You also screwed with many DDR redirects, causing me to have to get an admin involved to help move them. I know you are new, so I won't get too angry with you. Just remember that we follow correct grammer and capitalization, not however the trademark owner wants us too (hence why we have "PlayStation 3", not "PLAYSTATION 3".) TJ Spyke 10:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in, Spyke. Aeron, I hope you're okay with this. --Soetermans (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

How was my above post rude? I was letting you know the correct way to do things, all of the DDR-related moves I made were correct in that that are how they are supposed to be named. We don't use odd capitalization like "Dancing Stage TRUE KiSS DESTiNATiON" just because Konami wants us too. I suggest you don't start reverting my changes because then I will have to do the full move request (which takes 5 days) and it will end up back at the correct title (the ones I moved it to) anyways. I don't recall changing anyones comment other than the table on 1 page (and all I did was fix the links, I didn't change their actual comment). I am trying to help you out since you are new ("newbie" is not an insult, "noob" is the insult version. "Newbie" just means you are new) and don't seem to quite grasp things like MOSTM work yet. TJ Spyke 12:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Out of line (Consolidated with User talk:TJ Spyke)

TJ, I dunno what I did to your Wikipedia to make you so upset with me but allow me to explain a few things to you that would server you in the future when interacting with other Wikipedia members.

First off, assume positive intent. You did not. In fact you went so far as to spam other pages about how terrible I am, very immature for someone in their 20s. You also chose not to discuss the issue. It seems you were not aware that a conversation regarding the naming convention of the pages was taking place in Talk:Dance Dance Revolution Extreme, a subject that should be brought to light with the entire video games project. Dance Dance Revolution games are tricky, it's easy to reformat them with "encyclopedic" rules but the titles are so convoluted that some of them are going to come out looking little like they were intended. If you read the comment I left on the talk page you'll see an example of how "proper" formatting leaves the title looking worse than having occasional caps.

You also made some very simple mistakes, and going so far as to call me a "newbie" might have been premature in light of some of the things that you did. First, you edited another user's entry on a talk page, that is not very smart. I realize that the old version of the table had active links but that was not yours to edit, it's archives for posterity and should not be altered, even by the person who posted it. Second, you made a series of needless changes to the DDR Navbox, editing the links is fine, so that each link is bold when viewed from the respective pages but your edits to the visible text left the box looking sloppy.

You also did not follow procedure when moving pages, as an admin had to walk around behind you patching double-redirects that you created due to not properly checking the "What links here" page for each page moved. Since you brought this editing streak upon yourself you should have at least taken the time to properly reseat all the redirects associated with each page, and made sure that they all worked before moving on to the next. And there are probably more redirects that the admin who worked diligently to correct your mistakes may have missed.

Finally, as for the edits you made and had made for you, more discussion is required. The case of DDR pages and how they are titled are not simple, some DDR titles are but some are not. And you made some mistakes with the moves you performed as well. According to the policy you passed out like candy, DDRMAX should be DDR Max and there in lies the problem I outlined on the DDR EXTREME talk page. So some of your changes (according to you alone) need to be changed again, and again, this issue needs to be brought up with a larger group of people that are experts on DDR and video games before a final decision can be made. And aside from the titles I will continue to spell the game names correctly and with proper syntax because it would be misinformation to do otherwise, if you have an issue with this as well I would suggest bringing it up with the video games project also.

I'm reverting the talk page you edited, I'm also reverting the visible text on the DDR Navbox, again objections should be voiced before acted upon. I wonder how much you personally know about the DDR series, although that's a question likely to remain unanswered. Nevertheless I'm going to continue to improve the articles with the best of my knowledge as that's why I am here, why everyone SHOULD be here for. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 12:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Since you took the time to write that long post, I will reply to each point:

I did not "spam" other peoples pages. I posted on 1 persons page (the person you seem to have a problem with), to let him know that you just went back and reverted his edits (in the process making the article have wrong names, bad links, and be an eyesore in general). Check out Newbie, it is usually not a derogatory term, it's just a nickname for someone who is new. I admit I am wrong though since I accidentally thought your log said January 2008 instead of January 2007.

Why does something like making article titles follow Wikipedia guidelines something that has to be discusses? All of the articles I moved were to the correct way to capitalize them according to WP:MOSTM? As for your specific example, is "Dance Dance Revolution EXTREME" an official name of the game and the most common name? If so, then "Dance Dance Revolution Extreme" is the correct name of it and where the article should be according to policies and guidelines here.

As you said, I didn't change anybodys actual post, all I did was fix the links (redirects bother me and are a little annoying). As for the template, that is a toss-up. While what appears in the template doesn't have to have the same capitalization as the link, it looks better IMO that having every other word capitalized ("EXTREME", "MAX", "HOTTEST", etc. is an eyesore).

I was actually in the middle of fixing double redirects (check my edit log), although I didn't touch the ones that I needed an admin to move. I thank the admin for fixing the double redirects, but I would have gotten around to them as quickly as I could.

I admit that the DDRMAX articles are a bit more of a problem since I am not 100% sure where they should go, but they are currently better off than they were before. I would agree that the names of those ones can be discussed, but the rest of the DDR articles are fine and at their correct capitalizations. Spelling and capitalization are two different things. You should not continue using odd capitalizations for the names though, the correct thing to do is to mention Konami's preferred capitalizations once (at the top of the article), and then use the capitalization that follows English rules in the rest of the article. I don't like doing it on certain wrestling articles (like "TNA Impact!", which is supposed to be "TNA iMPACT!" according to TNA), but I do it anyways. I think the VG project would agree with me, although Wikipedia-wide guidelines trump any one Wikipoject's opinion anyways, so even if the VG project agree with you for some odd reason it wouldn't matter since MOSTM is crystal clear on this. It doesn't matter what DDR fans or Konami say, DDR article names have to follow the same guidelines and policies as every other article. Another example is "k.d. lang", that is how she wants her name capitalized but her article is at K.D. Lang for the same reason.

I have never played any of the DDR home games and played maybe 5 minutes max at an arcade one (there are no arcades near me anymore since they are practically dead in the US and the one I played was at an amusement park. The home games are too expensive for me to spend the money on when I don't have much spare spending money and don't know if I would enjoy it, so spending that much money when I know I can't return the game if I don't like it doesn't appeal to me). That doesn't matter though since anyone can check and see if something follows or violates MOSTM. The only way DDR Extreme could be "EXTREME", for example, is if "EXTREME" was an abbreviation for something or an acronym (like SCUBA is). TJ Spyke 13:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a shame that so many people have to hide behind policy to get their way, as you exhibited today. So many users forget why Wikipedia exists.

I know you have a set of rules that you want to follow, you think that policy is golden, right? The only problem is that you seem to only want to follow a personal selection of policy, you're not even consistent with your misinterpretation of the law. You spent so much time reciting MOSTM that you forgot things like Assume good faith and Be polite. You were hasty and so busy trying to make yourself look good that you thought I didn't know what I was doing, using a derogatory term to define me then backing up and claiming that there was no adverse feelings behind it. Even if I were a "newbie" you broke your precious policy in that regard as well by not being Welcoming. Oh and Wikipedia:No personal attacks, you managed to ignore the four major rules of communicating between users all at the same time... And you want people to side with you while you quote policy?

You need a refresher course in Wikipedia policy and guidelines and since that's the language you speak you may as well speak it correctly. (And yes, they're only guidelines). Start with Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, pay attention to the first paragraph. Also, Wikipedia:Etiquette since you've forgotten these altogether. Believe me, I want to believe that you're trying to do your best to help, I've had run ins with other users... some listen to reason and some don't. But the lofty attitude you carry yourself with combined with the haphazard way you conducted your edits and how you now defend yourself by repeating what you've already said and ignoring the mistakes you made... How am I suppose to regard you?

Funny though, after all was said and done, you admitted that you weren't "100% sure" of how to deal with the problem. That's the first step. The second is to leave this problem to people who do know how. I would be one of them, and while you obviously have a tender sore for the way I uphold policy I know this series very well and you for lack of a better word, don't.

Even funnier, if you really do uphold the letter of the law over the spirit of the law, you have to admit that out of all of them I referenced the only one that "trumps" all others (At least according to the creators of Wikipedia); Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 18:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Drummania

Thanks for editng the Drummania article. I look forward for more edits to the page and do give comments. 165.21.155.92 (talk) 16:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Taskforce for BEMANI

I have created a taskforce, and I hope you express interest on it (: Fireblaster lyz (talk) 04:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Let's spring into action. Where should we start first? If you ever need to contact me, IM me at MSN, by adding @hotmail.com behind my wikipedia's user name. Fireblaster lyz (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment on Decorum (Consolidated with User talk:Eusebeus)

Hello Aeron. It is always a good idea to take up disagreements with editors on their talk page. But edits like this [5] are unhelpful and indecorous. I suggest you take a quick glance at WP:DTTR which explains why such messages can be considered rude (even if unintentionally so) by established editors. Cheers, Eusebeus (talk) 14:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that was a carefully thought out and custom written response to Ned's "solution" to the problem. The policy you quoted had something to do with not using a boiler-plate response. Sorry you disagree, friend of Ned, but I made the comment in response to his being lazy and using the Undo button instead of taking note of changes made to the template since mine were applied. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, I was just noting that pasting things like trivia and preview templates onto the pages of regular contributors is generally considered unnecessary and indecorous. Eusebeus (talk) 22:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh those, does him being "established" make him above the law? I picked two appropriate notices (could've applied more than I did) and followed proper procedure when adding them to his talk page. Simple as that. A parking ticket is "indecorous", but it's there to remind people that they shouldn't park their cars in certain places. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 22:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

February 2008

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not on Template:Fire Emblem series. Thank you. Pairadox (talk) 10:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I have been desperately attempting to get Ned to discuss his woes with my edits, and in addition to his not being able to provide a reason for his reverts, never mind personal preferences, his mass-undos have destroyed other edits made by me and other users. A good example is the Fire Emblem Navbox. His edits have been objected by other users and admins, as far as assuming good faith goes I'm the only person to have communicated with him at length about this, not that it's helping. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 11:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

e-AMUSEMENT & BEMANI (Consolidated with User talk:Fireblaster lyz)

Please note that the above-mentioned titles are captialised for a reason. Refer to the Japanese web if you are unsure. http://www.konami.jp/am/AM/eamu/

I will revert edits made to it unless you have various reasons to do so. Fireblaster lyz (talk) 20:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Note that the above titles are TRADEMARKS as stated in the Wiki's MoS and are in compliance with Wiki's MoS. Fireblaster lyz (talk) 20:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, as much as I'd agree with you and want the same thing, Wikipedia needs a more standardized style of text formatting. See WP:MOSTM to get a definition, I've been called out for this before and I tend to agree. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Here, let me quote the relevant parts:

Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official":
- avoid: REALTOR®, TIME, KISS
- instead, use: Realtor, Time, Kiss

and

Trademarks beginning with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter do not need to be capitalized if the second letter is capitalized, but should :otherwise follow normal capitalization rules:
- avoid: EBay is where he bought his IPod.
- instead, use: eBay is where he bought his iPod.

If you need further help with this, TJ Spyke is an expert on the subject, tell him that AeronPrometheus sent you. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Template issues (Consolidated with User talk:Juhachi)

What browser are you using? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, can you show me which pages are acting up for you without the clearall tag? It might be the way they're coded. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I use Lolifox, but it's just a mod of Firefox 2.0, and when I open up Wiki in Firefox 2.0, the same thing happens. For an example, (link blacklisted) between, when on lolifox, I see the template with the break-all tag (top) and without the tag (bottom). I checked {{Navbox}}, but there doesn't seem to be any break-all tags placed at the top though.--十八 20:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah! I see what's up now. That's not a problem with the template that's something that can be fixed by creating a double return on the pages the templates resides on. I hate it when boxen and text butt up against each other too, but putting the fix in the template itself creates another problem that cannot be coded out. This is why I always take the fix to the actual page, putting +1 bytes on five pages is better than +5 on the template itself. Yeah it's a tradeoff, but this way when multiple templates appear on the same page they don't create an unsightly gap between themselves. Not that these two in the example would, it's just a matter of course. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I updated all the Key pages with the extra break; such a pain. :P --十八 21:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a labor of love -_-... --AeronPrometheus (talk) 21:14, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

GTA template vandalism (Consolidated with User talk:Th1rt3en)

Thirteen, the vandalism is user Ned Scott using the undo function instead of adding back code that they desires in the template. In this case the black bar makes the title harder to read on some screens so I returned it to the default color set. For WP:OWN issues, contact him. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Also part of what I was doing to the templates was tidying the code. Amazing how much smaller the total size of the template (as in data size) got when all I did was remove the unneeded spaces. I also did some other cleaning to the code base so simply clicking undo is the wrong way to restore custom coloring. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 20:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I see. It just looked more like the start of an edit war, but I still would not necessarily call it vandalism since it was not unconstructive (byte size excluded). I recall seeing something that said custom colors "shouldn't" be used but I couldn't find it when I looked earlier. Also, I was in a long editing conflict over an old version of the Metal Gear template, so I tend to get testy over anything that appears to be a strictly enforced uniform style for navboxes. ^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 01:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

It was one of those "you had to have been there" moments. I was performing a catch-all and the GTA Navbox was one of many Navboxen he hit. No, just the title color alone doesn't constitute vandalism I agree, but regardless of color choice he was performing harmful undos to templates despite multiple warnings and I was sending them all back. As for the template, the black just looks bad to me, yes, GTA uses a "black" theme for the most part but the pages this template is on don't. There's a reason Wikipedia has chosen the color scheme it uses by default. I'm not a mad adder over standardization but thoughtful discussion and relative consensus should be sought over custom styles that might look good and work perfectly to some, but be a reading difficulty and break to others. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 02:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Nav templates

Nav template standardization isn't even a guideline, let alone some kind of policy that you believe you can enforce. You've only been editing to the template nav space for a little over a month. You've gone on this crusade against any customization because of the comment "NOT RECOMMENDED" which was inserted by a single user in some template doc that no one probably noticed, or at least didn't interpret as strictly as you have.

You've called me, a long time editor in good standing with the community, a vandal. It is not appropriate to accuse someone of vandalism because you don't personally agree with their position on something.

You've claimed that multiple editors back you up, even an administrator. Who are these users? The discussion on WT:VG doesn't show support for your extreme application of standardization, and you are clearly taking User:David Fuchs's comments to mean something they don't.

Have you even stopped to look at how the nav and infoboxes look on the article series for The Simpsons? Have you considered just how many templates include color and size options by demand? You have put way too much emphasis on some mere template documentation. You've been asked by multiple users to stop, and your only reply is that you don't believe their reasons are "good enough". I'm sorry, but from a user who's only recently been involved in template standardization, I don't think you have any place to make such judgements. Stop, listen to people around you, before you take this too far. -- Ned Scott 06:47, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Try WP:ANI. We don't block established users without consensus. — DarkFalls ^talk 07:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Vgy (Consolidated with User talk:east718)

Was it really tagged for deletion for seven days? Did it really completely duplicate the function of another template? If so, which one?

The template is part of Wikiproject Video Games' template set, did you discuss the deletion of this template with the project? I can't seem to find the section regarding it. Also you should inform the members of that project which template to use in place of Vgy, since Vgy was a complete duplicate of another template's function as you stated in your reason for speedy deletion.

Even if there were valid reasons to delete this template you might consider cleaning up after yourself. Thank you. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 17:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Gah, sorry about that! Some other admin nuked the documentation subpage, and that caused all sorts of wacky stuff. I've restored the template and its documentation, and fixed the bug in {{db-deporph}} that allowed this to happen. Sorry for the inconvenience! east.718 at 18:41, February 23, 2008

Oops! :P It's cool, I'm just glad you're not one of those admins that delete things out of spite. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Reversion of my edits to DDRMAX2 and DS Megamix

All of the information that I trimmed from the article was already adequately covered in the main DDR series article, I think only including stuff about additional things relevant to that mix (like new features and scoring systems) streamlines the article and removes the unneeded repetition of information. Also, I've done the exact same changes to most of the other DDR articles, and you didn't to seem to object. Also, I did the changes to Dancing Stage MegaMix because the current version read too much like an advertisement and didn't follow the consistant format of the other DDR articles. And also, no where in Wikipedia policy does it say that major changes must have consensus in a debate on the talk page. Anyone can contribute and can do what they want here. This is supposed to be "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit," not the "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, but you have to ask permission first." I'm just being bold. We have policies against "ownership" of pages, and this just screams that. ViperSnake151 13:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Just a thanks

Thank you for your vandalism reversion on the article Music video game. It is always nice to see someone noticing such tiny yet annoying edits to somewhat obscure pages such as a that one. Also, you seem to have contributed great information to various articles. Thanks again for the hard work. KurisuYamato (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Taskforce for BEMANI

Get to work!~ Haha. Can we create a Wikiproject page? Place some guidelines and spring to action? Do contact Coredesat as well. Fireblaster lyz (talk) 04:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm in the middle of redoing Dance Dance Revolution (video game) right now. If you have any good web references for the first game in the series (From all releases) do let me know. I'm specifically looking for the "touring edition" song list, and a better picture of an original DDR machine (free license image). Contact me if you need any help.

So does this mean that the task force has been approved? I saw no indication on the proposals page. Also, which name were we going with, yours or mine? --AeronPrometheus (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Please do continue on your current projects. As of web references, you might want to look at Konami's official web and some of the Bemani forums, http://ddr.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/ and http://www.bemanistyle.com/forum/.

We also should notify others that the task force is alive and is planning on action. I will also assist in editing of DDR pages whereever possible, in accordance with your guidelines on your Current Projects page.

I am unsure whether the task force is approved. We might need to contact Krator on this one. Once approved, I recommand going with your name due to my lack of experience on Wikipedia editing. Fireblaster lyz (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

song lists

I was planning on splitting off full song lists for each version, but my effort has kinda stalled. Sure, if it can be done for Guitar Hero without objection, it can be done for DDR. Also, I did the EuroMix 2 article, long overdue. ViperSnake151 20:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Dancing Stage Universe

First of all sorry about the 3 edits, that was by accident.

I agree that {{vgrelease}} is there for a reason, but in this case there in no reason why it should be called twice when the way I changed it works exactly the same way.
The capitalization of {{vgratings}} didn't matter, it was just instinct to me because I'm used to lower case.
I thought the text was meant to be a caption, considering that the caption parameter was not there and that |text obviously does not add a caption as it does when displayed as a thumb or something.
The optimal recommended image size for {{Infobox VG}} is 256px, not 252px, which you can see on the template's talk page.

MrKIA11 (talk) 23:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I just checked myself, and I agree that 252px is the max. I'm not sure why everything says 256px, unless it has to do with the browser. What are you using? It seems to me that it should be 258, 264 minus 3 for each side as cellpadding=3. What am I missing?

The problem with using {{vgy}}, which has been discussed before but I'm not sure what the outcome was, is that it doesn't format according to user preferences, which is the reason I do not use it. Has there been a decision that it definitely should be? MrKIA11 (talk) 23:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, forget the discussion. Just look at the guidelines. {{vgy}} should only be used when you only have a year. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

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RE:Dance Dance characters

The article was only a list of names, to be precise:" Afro, Lady, Rage, Emi, Disk A, Disk B, Akira, Yuni, Alice, Baby-Lon, Maid-Zukin, Konsento, Devil-Zukin, Angel-Zukin, Robo 2001, Robo-Zukin, Astro, Charmy, Johnny, Jenny," That was the sum total of its content. So, basically there was no content. Don't suppose that helps you, but there it is. ;) Regards. Woody (talk) 11:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Over-specific Dance Dance Revolution categories

Hi, what did I do that is test edits and vandalism? I don't understand. Thanks. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 12:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I apologize, I tried to help but I didn't know this was considered test edit and vandalism. I won't do it again. Sorry again. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 12:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

You are a winrar!

On 24 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dancing Stage MegaMix, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Also, I'm gonna see if I can get the Pump it Up articles into better shape too. --ViperSnake151 19:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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List of GuitarFreaks & DrumMania songs

All songs listed are in the both games. This is due because both games have the ability to "play together".

See Drummania#Session Linking —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireblaster lyz (talk • contribs) 13:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Response.

Um, did I just get called biased for being less biased? I don't see you taking up arms in response to someone fighting to keep Australian release dates off of the list. Oh, wait, let me guess - you support him, and are using random adjectives to describe people, not caring if they're ironically misapplied.

Yeah, besides the fact that the only reason the article would require a split is the immensely excessive content on the article?

And I love how you described my complaints of there being no Australian release dates on the list as if it was some childish banter. I'll just make a note of that, so I can remember to not take you seriously the next time I encounter you on Wikipedia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my bad, I guess you didn't fire the first shot when you insulted me by describing my gripes with the blatant bias you and many others have against anything not American or Japanese. Excuse me if I have grown frustrated with it, but I have dealt with more disputes over naming and content inclusion than you'll ever deal with. I've dealt with it on lists, articles, with box arts, titles, release dates, other names, etc. People like you get my blood boiling, the fact that not one of you seems intent on giving one crap about Australia doesn't inspire me to care what you think of me. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Link please stop trolling its not help me or you at this point.--Lbrun12415 05:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.--Lbrun12415 06:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Aeron, the debate was always about Australia. The only reason I removed the release dates, besides size issues, was because it was biased and skewed away from Australians. After seeing how people reacted to Australian release dates being included - namely Lbrun, who advocated NOT including them by citing other lists - it became a new "cause".

And I don't do it now because it would take an extremely long time to DO. And it's one in the freaking morning. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

the size issue never said anything about removing things but, to move them. That were you did the wrong thing.--Lbrun12415 06:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

That is NOT the one and only solution. An article can be too large because it's growing up into a very, very full article, OR it could be too large because people have been adding far too much unnecessary content. Both are true. I have no problem with listing which regions the games are released in or to be released, but NOT the dates. Cutting the dates would solve the problem of size. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

sorry about that i thought it was links page im so sorry.--Lbrun12415 06:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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B4U

Im sorry but I cant agree tha the B4U song is more well known than the TV channels. The channels are broadcast in the UK, USA, India, Canada and UAE and B4u is a well known brand for Bollywood entertainment. Nearly all of the What links Here links to B4U related to the B4U Channels, not the song. In any case the song doesnt (at this point) even have its own page and simply redirects to another page for the video game. Based on this the song cannot solely occupy B4U Bleaney (talk) 17:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

lol Im not in the habit of 'going to war' and I agree that popularity and notability are different things... its just that the channels win on both counts. If you search B4U on google the first article displayed is the B4U TV company, the B4U song isnt even on the first search page!!! And also you said Regardless of how well you know something it's about the broad view. I agree The BROAD view. B4U music is one of the top 3 most watched music channels in India with combined world viewing figures in the TENS OF MILLIONS. B4U movies has a srong tradition of involvement in the Bollywood industry which is the biggest movie production area in the world. Often though its the straight B4U brand that people identify with as a Bollywood Company (music and film). I fail to see how you can possibly say that B4U the song is more notable than B4U the TV channels!!! Bleaney (talk) 12:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Your arguments are really good, its just that you dont apply them to yourself! I agree that Peacock terms dont help but the article on the B4U song is hardly packed with references about its enduring notability and distribution. Prior to me creating the articles on the B4U channels the channels themselves were referenced and linked on wiki A LOT more than the song, see -

List of British television channels, List of Indian television stations, List of Dish Network channels, ATN B4U Movies, Arab Digital Distribution, Deeyah, RDB (Rhythm Dhol Bass), Indo-Canadians. All of these articles linked to B4U song article??? How was that right? I by the way am not trying to say that the B4U song is not notable, I just feel that articles and references on wiki ALREADY proved and prove the equal if not greater notablility of the B4U channels Bleaney (talk) 15:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

They link to the precise aricles now AFTER I changed them AFTER you had redirected B4U back to the song!! Im glad your leaving it for now. I know the articles have been logged with the India, Bollywood and British media projects on wiki so I expect them to be greatly expanded and a lot more contributors will be here to dispute any change to the status of B4U Bleaney (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Dance Dance Revolution (Game Boy versions)

I believe this move was conducted per a discussion here: WT:WikiProject Video games/Archive 43#New disambig conventions suggested. Though I don't have time to see if there was indeed consensus for the change in disambig procedure. Feel free to ressurect the discussion at WT:WPVG. xenocidic (talk) 18:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. I performed the move. xenocidic (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

No More vandalism for me!

i decided today that i will come clean and go from 50% vandal/50% good guy to 100% good guy. i am deeply sorry for my pages i vandalized :( . --i can't think of a good signature 00:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I requested a new username

i'm changing my username from "Ddrman642" to "FindDDRsteps". Quick question: How Often do you visit your UT page (i need to know for future reference)? --i can't think of a good signature 00:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC) --never mind, i migrated my account so it can't be changed--i can't think of a good signature 01:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddrman642 (talk • contribs)

B4U

Thanks for reverting our issues surrounding B4U to Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests i saw the discussion (Wikipedia:Editor_assistance/Requests#B4U_article_conflicts_and_disambiguation) and before the discussion was archived i noticed that two people had responded, both agreeing that as it stands, B4U (the TV network) SHOULD occupy the B4U page on Wiki. However if a SEPARATE ARTICLE is made for B4U the song, I would be quite happy to see a redirect for B4U to the disambiguation page listing both articles. Hope all issues have been settled now, itas always good to consider others opinions talk

- Oh dear, I thought this has been settled. Yes the term 'B4U' was originally a shortening of 'Bollywood 4 U' but as the companys presence has grown it has become identified as 'B4U'. This is borne out in the references from the article which as you will see ALL refer to the company as 'B4U'. In the editor assistance request you were clearly told that things should be left as they are UNLESS a separate article for the B4U song is created. I dont really see where you going with this but if you start acting out on your own I will refer it again as I feel on solid ground on this one Bleaney (talk) 11:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

- In your own words nobody wins anything. The BBC's real name is the British Broadcasting Corporation, yet on wikipedia it is simply known as the BBC, because THATS the name that people know. The exact same applies to B4U. What I dont understand is if the B4U song is SO notable that it warrants reserving the entire title of B4U, why has no article been created for the song? Bleaney (talk) 16:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (August 2008)

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The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 5 - July 2008

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As of July 2008, the project has:

16 A-Class articles
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Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics

Promoted FA/FL:

Flood (Halo), List of songs in Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, List of voice actors in the Grand Theft Auto series, Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Topic:

Devil May Cry (series), Super Smash Bros. (series)

Demoted FA/FL:

None

Promoted GA:

Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy III, Golden Sun: The Lost Age, Guitar Hero: On Tour, Halo 2 Original Soundtrack, Halo: The Flood, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, Mario Party 4, Mario Party 5, WWE SmackDown (video game series)

Demoted GA:

RuneScape

News

There were 304 new articles in July 2008
Well, gee, thanks 1up!
1UP.com recently changed their rating scale. See discussion for details.
- The list of almost 700 articles has been checked and updated. Special thanks to MrKIA11, Dukeruckley, JFlav, FMF, and several other editors for checking the large number of articles.
Inactive project cleanup
Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Tales of deleted.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Indie Game Developers deleted.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Arcade games moved to page under WP:VG. See new Arcade task force page.

Feature: Reliable Sources

A common issue with writing video games articles is that it's often natural for editors to turn to the internet for all their information. However, using only online sources can be problematic, especially if editors are not familiar with Wikipedia's sources guidelines. First off, for every notable, reliable web site about gaming that exists on the web, there are twenty-five fan sites or personal blogs. As per Wikipedia's, content guideline about reliable sources, a proper source that should be used in an article must meet the following criteria:

Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

How do you determine if website X meets the criteria? Look around for information on who owns the website or if the website has a staff and established editorial processes; if the site doesn't have information posted online, send an email to the webmaster or editor. It can be hard to definitely prove the a website has a "reputation" for accuracy. Thus, it's probably easier to go with established sites to begin with, such as IGN or GameSpot. If you use a source with borderline qualifications, be prepared to justify the site at content review or to other editors. WikiProject Video Games has a partially-complete listing of vetted sources in print or online at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, as well as more detailed information on what constitutes a reliable source.

To find sources on the internet, checking Google News as well as simple web searches can help spot references you might have missed. Often, however, older news articles are locked behind pay gates or subscription services. A workaround is using a service like ProQuest or LexisNexis, although unless you have access to these through a college or education institution it will likely cost you money regardless. Libraries can have old newspapers and copies of magazines; to assist in finding print sources online, WikiProject Video Games has a Magazines Department where you can contact users to get copies of certain reviews, previews, or features from old magazines. If you have gaming magazines of your own, add yourself to the list!

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Your edits to DDR Kids and merging DDR Disney Mix

Hello. I noticed that you reverted DDR Kids to an older version, but this removes important information. I have unreverted the article, adding Dance Dance Revolution Disney Channel Edition (a game which was published this year) to the list. Please stop reverting the article, as it deletes important information and outdates the article even more. Thanks. 74.14.135.144 (talk) 13:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

About the DDR Disney Mix merge

Okay, so if I get it, you'd be okay with a merge, if the merged article looked neat. Because, the article already covers arcade and PSX, and a bit of Game Boy. If you look at Animal Crossing, it covers both the GameCube and the Japan-only N64 release. As I mentionned before, if you look at Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, it discusses both the PSX and N64 versions. Since the N64 version of DDR Disney Mix is only released in Japan (and this long ago), and is completely unreferenced, it should not carry its own article. It is now a discontinued game, the N64 is a discontinued console as well. It is not notable enough if it is an "only in Japan" game, released for a console that no one can buy brand new at a retail store.

Please feel free to post on my talk page if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.

LetsGo67 (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

About the DDR Kids edits

Having mentionned all this, Dance Dance Revolution Disney Channel Edition, the Dance Praise series and VeggieTales Dance Dance Dance are all recently released games supported on PlayStation 2 (still sold retail as new for under 200$) or PC (still sold, of course), in comparison to Dance Dance Revolution Disney Mix, Dance Dance Revolution Disney's World Dancing Museum and Oha Star Dance Dance Revolution, which are all released in early 2000, for discontinued consoles (the first PlayStation and/or Nintendo 64 and thus no longer supported. Kids love Hannah Montanna, Disney, and VeggieTales. There's also a God Rocks expansion pack for Dance Praise, and kids love that.

Please stop editing the DDR Kids list in an unconstructive manner. Keep the three recently released (and still purchasable) titles on the list, because kids love these games, and would much rather pay $50 for a recent game with recent music than $150 for an old PSX game. Thank you.

Please feel free to post on my talk page if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.

LetsGo67 (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Add references

I'd like to note that Disney Mix, Disney Mix 64, Oha Star and Disney Channel combined do not have a single reference in the "references" list. Please find references to back up the information in the articles. Thank you.

LetsGo67 (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (April 2008)

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206 Good Articles
1 article in Good Article Review
13 articles for Peer review
1 article for Assessment

Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics in April

Promoted FA/FL:

Guitar Hero, List of songs in Guitar Hero, List of songs in Guitar Hero II, Halo: Contact Harvest, Age of Empires

Topic:

None

Demoted FA/FL:

None

Demoted GA:

Air (visual novel), SimCity (series)

Promoted GA:

24: The Game, Chocobo Racing, Crackdown, Crush 40, Dynasty Warriors 4, Geneforge, Gravemind, Guitar Hero (series), Half-Life (video game), Martin O'Donnell, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Music of Final Fantasy III, Music of Final Fantasy VI, Music of Final Fantasy X-2, Music of Final Fantasy XII, Resident Evil: Apocalypse, Resident Evil: Extinction, Sega Mega Drive, Super Smash Bros. (series), StarCraft: Ghost, System Shock 2, The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures, The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Warhawk (PlayStation 3 game), Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, CD-i games from the Legend of Zelda series, Xbox 360, Voices of the Lifestream

News

There were 256 new articles in April 2008

Current proposals and discussions

Well, gee, thanks 1up!
1UP.com has recently changed their rating scale. A list of affected articles can be found here. See discussion for details.
- About 14% of the articles on the list have been checked and updated.
Inactive project cleanup
Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- WikiProject Warcraft and WikiProject StarCraft have been switched into Warcraft task force and StarCraft task force under the VG Project.
- WikiProject TimeSplitters has been deleted.

Feature

Writing about Gameplay

The Gameplay section is a crucial component of a good video game article. Although it may be relatively easy for an experienced gamer to write such a section, care must be taken to maintain an appropriate focus and balance. The section should be written for readers with little or no knowledge of video gaming and should not be filled with detailed information about weapons, levels, or other such topics that are only of interest to the video gamer or that might be found in a game guide. Your goal for crafting a good section is to have people who have never picked up the game understand the basic mechanics. Do note, however, that it's safe to assume the reader has at least a minor knowledge of what a video game is.

This section often begins the body text after the lead, but is sometimes placed after the Plot section. Games with little or no story can cover the plot in the Gameplay section. When writing about a game, use your head and common sense about the ordering. Generally, start off with a broad stroke—is the game a RTS or an FPS, etc. Don't talk about why the gameplay is like it is; generally, that is better placed in the 'Development' section later on in the article.

Images can be added to better illustrate some aspects of gameplay. Generally, a single screenshot will suffice. Because of screenshots are non-free content, usage should be minimalised. Multiple images can be used, but all images should add something to the article beyond what the prose states. All non-free images require a fair use rationale to be used on Wikipedia.

Things to remember

Don't add in cruft about weapons, levels, and minute details of trivia; gameplay sections should serve as a primer to the game, not an exhaustive list of every facet of the game.
Don't use gaming jargon which can be confusing to readers, such as "NPC" or "MMORPG". If you use these terms, state the full name and the abbreviation the first time it appears. For example, "Halo is a first-person shooter, or FPS."
Wikilink! So you don't have to describe what a god game is, link it.
Talk about what makes the game different from others; if you only talk about why StarCraft is a real-time strategy game, then readers could just visit the article about the game genre and be better served.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

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Other discussions

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 22:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (June 2008)

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 3 - June 4, 2008

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Project at a Glance

As of 2008-06-04, the project has:

208 Good Articles
0 articles in Good Article Review
10 articles for Peer review

Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics

News

There were 203 new articles in May 2008

Current proposals and discussions

Well, gee, thanks 1up!
1UP.com has recently changed their rating scale. A list of affected articles can be found here. See discussion for details.
- About 28% of the articles on the list have been checked and updated.
Inactive project cleanup
Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- WikiProject Dragon Quest has been redirected to WP:VG.
- WikiProject Massively multiplayer online games Guild Wars task force has been deleted.

Interested in a specific video game series or company? Check out some of our task forces to help improve the related articles.

Atari
Command & Conquer
Devil May Cry
New! Gears of War
Grand Theft Auto
Silent Hill
Suikoden
New! StarCraft
New! Valve
Visual novels
New! Warcraft

Feature

Writing about Development

Development content is very important to include in an encyclopedic video game article. It provides a history of how the game came to be and provides real world information needed for an article to claim comprehensiveness. However, writing this section can be difficult because the amount and type of information available will vary for each game. One of the best sources for such information is a developer interview. These can provide insight into the thought process of the designers and give examples of influences and obstacles encountered. Previews can also be helpful by giving a snap shot of the game before it was released and may mention development issues that were still being addressed.

When writing about development, common sense should be used to organize content to maintain a sense of flow for the reader. Most times, it is best to give the information in a somewhat chronological order—though information can also be grouped by topics like audio, promotion, graphics, etc. If one such topic gets large enough, it can be split off into its own subsection or regular section. For example, Kingdom Hearts#Audio is a separate section from the rest of the development information because it focuses on the game's musical score and voice acting. Portal (video game)#Soundtrack, however, does not have as much content and is a subsection of the main development section.

What to include about development

Who are the developers? Which company or studio developed the game, and are there any prominent designers involved?
When did development begin?
When and where was the game first announced? (e.g. Tokyo Game Show, E3 Media and Business Summit, etc.)
What influenced the game's story, characters, music, and/or gameplay ? (e.g. past games, movies, books, etc.)
Were there any delays?
Was anything excluded because of time or technological constraints? (e.g. extra levels, game modes, characters, story arcs, etc.)

Things to remember

Avoid proseline. Though maintaining a sense to chronology is important, this section should not read like an ordered list of events.
Images in this section should be relevant to the information given and should add on to it.
Source everything to avoid information being tagged as original research.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 22:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

DDR Kids list

I read your replies, and see that you only left the Oha Star game. I don't understand, though, how none of the Disney games (Disney Mix or Disney Channel) are designed for younger children. And you are right by saying that Dance Praise should not be included in the list: it includes songs that kids like, adults like... it tries to please as many people as they can, and this game is not targeted just for kids. But the Disney games... kids love those. And VeggieTales... who doesn't like talking vegetables?

I'd like that we both agree which games make it to the list, and which don't. Dance Praise itself, definitively no. (Some songs are adult contemporary) The God Rocks expansion pack? Since they are cartoons, designed to "(energize) kids with the Good News", as the slogan says, I wouldn't see why it couldn't make the list of games designed for younger children. But since we don't have any articles for either God Rocks or the expansion pack, we'll put this aside for later.

So that's done for Dance Praise... maybe that one specific kid-designed expansion pack, if that. VeggieTales? I wouldn't understand why not. It should make the list, because it is designed for younger children. And the three Disney games should make the list as well.

I know that there's no direct link between DDR Kids and VeggieTales/God Rocks/Disney, but I find that competitor's products must be listed. We must keep in mind that the article we are editing is about a discontinued product. By including list of newer products which offer similar functionality than DDR Kids, we can breathe life in an article that would otherwise be out of date and meaningless.

Please share with me about which games you believe should make the list or not. Thanks.

LetsGo67 (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply to reply

"...Dance Praise is a cheap looking knockoff of the series and its gameplay in a half-hearted "Me too!" attempt to make Christianity "cool", no offense"

No, no offense. I agree 100% with that statement. I bought the game and regret it, because it has no Doubles mode, no modifiers, the choreography is bad, it's too easy to win and unlock the 10 "hidden" songs... if anything, this is an insult to Christianity. They try to please parents. People who actually love DDR won't like this game.

The company's support is very disappointing, too. Customer satisfaction doesn't seem to matter to them.

I guess that the "See also" section can be left with some game about some series I never heard of.

In case you didn't know, they're making a Guitar Hero wannabe: Guitar Praise.

LetsGo67 (talk) 02:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter for August 2008

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 6 - August 2008

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Project At a Glance

As of August 2008, the project has:

17 A-Class articles
238 Good Articles
0 articles in Good Article Review
14 articles for Peer review

Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics

Promoted FA/FL:

4X, Alleyway, Conan (2007 video game), List of songs in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock, Midtown Madness, Wipeout 3

Topic:

None

Demoted FA/FL:

None

Promoted GA:

Chocolatier, Cloud Strife, Discography of Final Fantasy I and II, Discography of Final Fantasy VII, The Guardian Legend, Guitar Hero III Mobile, Halo: First Strike, Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, Key Sounds Label, Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete, Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour, Necrid, Paper Mario, Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, Secret of Evermore, StarCraft: Brood War, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Xenogears Original Soundtrack

Demoted GA:

GoldenEye 007

News

Special note: The naming convention for the newsletter has altered. Instead of being labeled the month it is delivered, it is now labeled the month the content applies to. See discussion.
There were 204 new articles in August 2008
Inactive project cleanup
Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- The following Wikiprojects are candidates to be turned into task forces.
  - Nintendo Project: See discussion.
  - Castlevania Project: See discussion.
  - Pro Gaming Project: See discussion.
The first video game genre article has reached Featured article status—4X. Special thanks to Randomran for pushing the article up the quality scale.

Feature: Departments

Assessment Department: This department focuses on assessing the quality of Wikipedia's video games articles. The resulting article ratings are used within the project to aid in recognizing excellent contributions and identifying topics in need of further work, and are also expected to play a role in the WP:1.0 program, and more specifically in the Video games essential articles page.

Two new quality ratings have been implemented into the Assessment Department's scale. The new Wikipedia-wide C-Class rating (see category) has been added to the scale between Start-Class and B-Class. Because of this, the criteria of the B-Class has been tweaked to better illustrate the difference between a B-Class and C-Class article. An older rating, List-Class (see category), has been added to the scale as well. It is mainly used on pages that have very little prose and are primarily tables and lists of information.

Editors are encouraged to submit articles for assessment if they feel an article has made significant progress up the assessment scale or has gained importance within video game articles. Assessed articles generally receive some feedback to further improve the article. Experienced editors are also encouraged to help with assessment of articles when the number of requests gets too large.

Peer Review Department: The Peer review process for WikiProject Video games exposes video-game-related articles to closer scrutiny from a broader group of editors, and is intended for high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work, often as a way of preparing a Featured article candidate. It is not a academic peer review by a group of experts in a particular subject, and articles that undergo this process should not be assumed to have greater authority than any other.

Editors are encouraged to use the Video game peer review process, as well as the regular Wikipedia-wide process, to improve the quality of articles. While a peer review can be done at any time, it strongly suggested to use this process before an article goes up for Good article nomination and Featured article or Feature list candidacy as articles cannot be a candidate for GA or FA while at peer review.

Editors are also encouraged to leave feedback for articles undergoing peer review. A process such as this will not work if editors do not give as well as take. Feedback can range from brief comments after skimming through a page to a full blown dissection of grammar, structure, and references. Either way, every bit helps.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Featured content candidates

Good article nominations

DYK nominations

No did you know nominations

Reviews and reassessments

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 01:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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The WPVG Newsletter (September 2008)

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 7 - September 2008

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Project At a Glance

As of September 2008, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics

Promoted FA/FL:

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, Mario Power Tennis, Myst IV: Revelation, Space Invaders, The World Ends with You

Promoted FT:

Guitar Hero series

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

None

Promoted GA:

Anarchy Online, Codename: Gordon, Concerned, Hotel Mario, I Love Bees, Kyo Kusanagi, Species of StarCraft, StarCraft (series), Super Mario Strikers

Promoted GT:

Final Fantasy XII, StarCraft titles

Demoted GA/GT:

None

News

There were 192 new articles in September 2008
Inactive project cleanup
Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- Wikiproject Red Faction has been deleted.
- WikiProject Nintendo moved to page under WP:VG See new Nintendo task force page.
- Two Nintendo task forces have become Video game task forces: Mega Man task force and Super Smash Bros. task force
- WikiProject Castlevania moved to page under WP:VG See new Castlevania task force page.
- WikiProject Kingdom Hearts has been deleted.
VG Wikipedia 0.7 workshop
Workshop page to coordinate preparation of articles to be included in Wikipedia 0.7.
- 39 of 393 articles have been prepared and submitted.
  Come help us prepare more at the workshop page.

Feature: Wikipedia 0.7

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of articles taken from the English version of Wikipedia, compiled by the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team. It is designed for a DVD release, and the selection was put together using a Selection Bot, based on the quality and importance assigned by WikiProjects.

The Video games Project and its daughter projects have multiple articles among the selection and are currently working on cleaning up the articles to improve their presentation. A workshop page has been set up that is designed to assist and coordinate the effort. The status of and recommendations for articles is listed on the table. Discussion about which articles should be kept and removed from the list have been taking place on the talk page.

If you have assisted in working on and improving a current Featured article, Good article, or A-Class article, please check the workshop page to see if the article is recommended for inclusion.

Articles will need an id version submitted to ensure it is included. They will also need to be cleaned up if maintenance tags and other issues are present. Participation is not restricted, and if you can assist with the preparation effort, it would be greatly appreciated.

Things to remember for preparation

The workshop page has a notes section for each article. Clean up suggestions have been left for some articles.
Do a light sweep of the article to address any vandalism andclean up tags: citation needed, more references, lengthy plot, etc.
If you need help with an article, post on the talk page.
Because some articles were promoted over a year ago, they may need to undergo Featured article review or Good article review.
Be sure to list the oldid on the workshop page and User:SelectionBot/0.7/V-3.
Articles need to be prepared by October 20.
Articles that do not have an id submitted may not be included in the release.

See original notification on WT:VG for more details.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 12:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (October 2008)

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 8 - October 2008

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Project At a Glance

As of October 2008, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics

Promoted FA/FL:

Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings, Crush (video game), Half-Life 2: Episode One, StarCraft: Ghost

Promoted FT:

StarCraft titles

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

None

Promoted GA:

Aether (video game), Chris Metzen, Doom 3, Final Fantasy VII, Half-Life 2: Survivor, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, Mega Man 2, Silent Hill 3

Promoted GT:

Key visual novels

Demoted GA/GT:

Final Fantasy (video game)

News

There were 284 new articles in October 2008
Inactive project cleanup
Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- Miscellaneous Warcraft pages cleaned up: Two old redirects deleted and others tagged as historical.
- WikiProject Mortal Kombat and most of its subpages have been moved to page under WP:VG. See new Mortal Kombat task force page.
- WikiProject Pro Gaming has been moved to page under WP:VG. See new Pro gamin task force page.

Feature: Partnered reviews

For some time now, the Video games project and the Military history project have been cross listing their articles undergoing peer review in an effort to improve the quality of articles, as well as the copy editing skills of editors. The idea was first proposed by User:Krator as a way to better prepare articles for Featured article candidacy. After being approved by both projects, the idea was implemented under a trial period, and eventually approved as a standard practice.

New, cross listed military history articles are announced on the Video games project talk page, and listed on the Video games Peer review page under a special section. Video game editors are encouraged to leave any type of comments that come to mind. If you don't know anything about military history, that's perfectly fine because that's the point. An editor lacking knowledge about the particular topic can provide a helpful point of view as a general reader—the intended audience.

If you have a video game article undergoing peer review that you think would benefit from an outside view, post the following boilerplate at WT:MILHIST: {{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/Toolbox/Partner peer review notice|Name of article|Raw link to review|Video games}} ~~~~

Things to remember

A peer review process such as this will not work if editors do not give as well as take.
Peer reviews are meant to examine not just the prose, but the sources and images used in the article.
Feedback can range from brief comments after skimming through a page to a full blown dissection of grammar, structure, and references. Either way, every bit helps.
Reviewing another editor's article can help sharpen your writing skills, which in turn can improve the articles you write.

See past discussions for details: VG discussion and MilHist discussion

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Featured content candidates

Good article nominations

DYK nominations

No did you know nominations

Reviews and reassessments

Articles that need...

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 16:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (November 2008)

The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 9 - November 2008

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Project At a Glance

As of November 2008, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good articles, lists, and topics

Promoted FA/FL:

Annie Award for Best Animated Video Game, Ico, List of One Piece video games, List of songs in Guitar Hero World Tour, List of StarCraft media, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Myst V: End of Ages

Promoted FT:

None

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

None

Promoted GA:

Characters of Myst, Combine (Half-Life), Crash: Mind over Mutant, F-Zero, Half-Life: Blue Shift, Half-Life: Decay, Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Halo 3 marketing, Ico, Iori Yagami, Jim Raynor, LittleBigPlanet, Marble Madness, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, Myst (series), Sam & Max Hit the Road, Silent Hill Homecoming, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Uru: Ages Beyond Myst

Promoted GT:

None

Demoted GA/GT:

Call of Duty 2, Fate/stay night, Make Love, Not Warcraft

News

There were 275 new articles in November 2008
Inactive project cleanup: Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- WikiProject Test Drive has been deleted
- WikiProject Sega has been moved to a page under WP:VG. See the new Sega task force page.
- A Sega task force has become a Video game task force: Sonic task force.
- WikiProject Sims has been moved to a page under WP:VG. See the new The Sims task force page.

Feature: Article Importance

Article importance is an assessment of a topic's importance in understanding a specific higher level topic. Assessments are maintained by WikiProjects and reflect the project's view of what is essential to understanding their scope. In the VG Project's case, all importance scales are in terms of understanding video games.

A video game article's importance is listed and set in the {{WikiProject Video games}} template on its talk page. An assessment of importance can be done by the Assessment Department by submitting a request.

Recent discussions at the VG Project's talk page have called for revisions to the practice of assigning article importance. The discussion began in mid-November with the goal of clarifying what level of importance should be assigned to certain type of articles. It eventually expanded to creating a standardized table of importance to serve as a guide for current and future editors.

The discussion has focused on and shifted to several topics including flaws of previous practices, new ways to view assessment, other project practices to emulate, and specific articles which are exceptions to proposed guidelines. A brief pole and discussion determined most editors felt that the bulk of some topics—specifically individual video game, series, and character articles—were not essential to understanding video games, making them ineligible for top importance. The discussion then shifted to tweaking the wording and layout of the table.

The current proposed table is being discussed on the project's talk page, and the issue of whether some topics—specifically character articles—should be allowed to be rated importance has also been brought up. As always, member are encouraged to voice their opinions and engage in discussion to determine consensus so the new assessment scale can be implemented.

See past newsletter feature for more information about the Assessment Department.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Featured content candidates

Good article nominations

DYK nominations

No did you know nominations

Reviews and reassessments

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 15:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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The WPVG Newsletter (December 2008)

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter
Volume I, No. 10 - December 2008

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Project At a Glance

As of December 2008, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good content

Promoted FA/FL:

Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, List of Kirby media, Marble Madness, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

Promoted FT:

Half-Life 2 titles

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

None

Promoted AA:

None

Promoted GA:

Guitar Hero World Tour, Half-Life: Opposing Force, Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros., Sam & Max: Freelance Police, Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II, Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Star Wars Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith

Promoted GT:

None

Demoted GA/GT:

Final Fantasy II, Resident Evil, Super Mario Land

News

There were 182 new articles in December 2008
Inactive project cleanup: Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- WikiProject Sports video games has been deleted.
- WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series has been merged into the VG project's Nintendo task force.
Importance scale has been added to Assessment page.
A search bar has been added to the archive box on the VG project talk page. Searching the discussion archives is now much easier.

Feature: Video game notability

Video game related articles fall under niche categories on Wikipedia: "Culture and the arts" and "Everyday life". Because of this, they are often required to demonstrate notability more than other topics. Wikipedia defines notability as "worthy of notice", and considers it distinct from fame, importance, and popularity. Though it is acknowledge to be related to fame and the like, it is important understand that being famous, important, or popular does not mean a video game article should be on Wikipedia.

Being notable means that a topic has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Wikipedia's policy also stipulates that this only presumes to "satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." This means that though an article may meet the criteria on paper, it is up to the community to decide if a topic truly is notable and/or violates other policies such as WP:NOT. In short, just because a video game, character, or related topic exists, does not mean it should also exist as a Wikipedia article.

Dealing with non-notable topics

Articles that do not meet the criteria are either deleted or merged into a relevant topic.

WP:Articles for deletion (AfD) handles the deletion of non-notable articles, among other types, and has an established process to begin discussions about reasons for deletion.
If an article is a subarticle of a larger topic, merging it into the larger topic article is a more desirable action. For example, the main character of a video may not be notable, but has received some mentions in reviews. It would benefit both topics, the character and its video game, to include the content into the article of the video game; essentially using a small, weaker article to strengthen a larger more notable article.

Things to remember

The best way to show notability is to provide reliable sources about the topic.
Notability is less about keeping articles out of Wikipedia and more about making sure readers are provided articles about significant, quality topics.
While you may think a topic is notable, others may disagree. Try to keep a clear perspective when assessing notability so discussions can reach a consensus.
AfD is more of a last resort and is not always the best course of action to take.
Consider starting a merger discussion first, as some editors may not fully understand why an article they started is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Featured content candidates

Good article nominations

DYK nominations

No did you know nominations

Reviews and reassessments

Articles that need...

Project Navigation

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 22:06, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Dancing Stage Mario Mix cover art.png)

Thanks for uploading File:Dancing Stage Mario Mix cover art.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

DDR Mario Mix

It's no problem. I thought you were like some posters (I won't name them since that would not be nice) who go around changing the boxart to a different region for no reason. I had someone try and change the Bomberman Land Touch! boxart for the North American one to the PAL one even though the NA one was up for 1 1/2 years and had no problems with the image. TJ Spyke 03:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Not a rule (the rule only says to use a Enlgish-language cover), it's just that we usually use the North American cover since it's usually the first one available. The reason I put the NA cover back in this time is since it was the one previously used. TJ Spyke

Hi there. I believe Spyke was referring to me above. He doesn't mention how he replaced the English image on Bomberman (series) for no reason ... but anyway, the cover used is the first one uploaded, and since Wikipedia has an intrinsic US bias, the majority are North American. Tim (Xevious) (talk) 19:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (January 2009)

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter
Volume II, No. 1 - January 2009

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Project At a Glance

As of January 2009, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good content

Promoted FA/FL:

The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II, New Super Mario Bros., The Simpsons Game, The Simpsons Hit & Run, Super Columbine Massacre RPG!

Promoted FT:

None

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

None

Promoted AA:

None

Promoted GA:

Age of Empires (video game), Controversy over the usage of Manchester Cathedral in Resistance: Fall of Man, Guitar Hero On Tour: Decades, Masashi Hamauzu, Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne, Metroid Prime Hunters, Metroid Prime Pinball, Nemesis (Resident Evil), OverClocked ReMix, Reptile (Mortal Kombat), Sam & Max, Sheng Long, The Simpsons Wrestling, Sonic Unleashed, Star Wars: Dark Forces, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Kart

Promoted GT:

None

Demoted GA/GT:

Rinoa Heartilly

News

There were 209 new articles in January 2009
Inactive project cleanup: Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- Old "left over" project pages have been added to a clean up page to discuss appropriate courses of action. Come help out and voice your thoughts.
Several video game articles appeared on Wikipedia's main page this month.
- Marble Madness was featured on the Main Page as "Today's featured article" for January 11, 2009.
- A fact from Lost Pig appeared on the Main page in the Did you know? column on January 23, 2009.
- A fact from Alisia Dragoon appeared on the Main page in the Did you know? column on January 30, 2009.
Editor David Fuchs was interviewed for the Dispatch of the January 17th Signpost. Herr Fuchs was selected by having the second highest number of FA nominations in 2008, many of which were video game articles.
Collaboration of the week has resumed. The first article to benefit from this was "Video game genres".

Featured editor:

This issue we are trying a new type of newsletter feature: "Featured editor". This is a chance to learn more about the various editors who contribute to the Video games project as well as the roles they fill. If you enjoyed this new feature and would like to see similar interviews in future issues, please drop us a note at the VG newsletter talk page.

David Fuchs (also known as Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs), is a long time video games editor that has written a large number of the project's Featured articles. He has been ranked high on Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations, and has assisted in reviewing and editing more many. Recently David has begun to assist with image reviews for Featured article candidates, and branched out into other types of articles in addition to video games. He can normally been seen on the project's talk page offering advice and his input on the various discussion taking place there.

What drew you to Wikipedia, and what prompted you to begin editing?
I got involved due in part to (I believe, my memory is fuzzy) finding the site while doing research for Advanced Placement Europen History during high school. My earliest contributions (in December 2005) were creating topics based on what I learned, as well as creating an article for my high school with another friend. I soon became involved with editing topics related to Halo video game franchise, specifically the article on the parasitic Flood.
What got you involved in writing Featured articles?
I think for most editors it's a shiny accomplishment you are striving for, and natural for most editors to try and get an FA. I first nominated an article for FA in 2007, after about a year of inactivity onwiki; it didn't pass as it was poorly written and didn't follow our guidelines for writing about fiction; I also took a couple of tries to get my first video game FA (Halo 2).
What article(s) are you most proud of writing or exemplifies your best work?
I suppose Myst is a sort of accomplishment I can point to; I started work on the article on May 2 2008, when it looked like this, and submitted it to Featured Article Candidates one day later. I think that's some kind of record, but I dunno. In terms of being a good read or something I'm very happy with, however, I'd have to look at my more recent work, specifically Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Bone Wars.
How do you pick the articles you work on?
Whatever hits me. There's many articles I haven't gotten around to editing and improving as planned because another article has caught my fancy.
What advice would you give to editors seeking to write quality articles?
In the words of one of my favorite cartoon characters when I was a child, "We must do reeea-search!" Even in video games, online sources don't usually cut it. Even after getting an article to FA, make sure you continually trawl the internet and elsewhere for more information to add to the topic.

Note: This is an abridged version. To read the full interview, click here.

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Featured content candidates

Good article nominations

DYK nominations

No did you know nominations

Reviews and reassessments

Articles that need...

Project Navigation

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 00:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Dancing Stage SuperNova 2 logo.png)

Thanks for uploading File:Dancing Stage SuperNova 2 logo.png. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Used one of your images

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I used one of your images on my web site - it will become visible here shortly: http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2009/02/26/dance-dance-revolution-goes-n-gage/

Please let me know if you have any issues...

All the best Tam Hanna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.170.124.203 (talk) 09:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (February 2009)

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter
Volume II, No. 2 - February 2009

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Project At a Glance

As of February 2009, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good content

Promoted FA/FL:

List of Metroid media, Sam & Max: Freelance Police, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron

Promoted FT:

Myst series

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

List of Metal Gear Solid characters

Promoted AA:

Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Kart

Promoted GA:

Advance Wars: Dual Strike, Alan Kotok, Alisia Dragoon, Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, Braid (video game), Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day!, Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series, Fast inverse square root, Left 4 Dead, Luke Smith (writer), Mario Kart DS, Metroid Fusion, Metroid II: Return of Samus, Metroid: Zero Mission, Myst Online: Uru Live, Pong, Shadow the Hedgehog (video game), Star Trek: Voyager – Elite Force, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Metroid, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, What's Cooking? with Jamie Oliver

Promoted GT:

None

Demoted GA/GT:

Crystalis, Duck Hunt, Game Boy Micro, P.N.03, Super Mario RPG, Yoshi Touch & Go

News

There were 193 new articles in February 2009
Inactive project cleanup: Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- Old "left over" project pages have been added to a clean up page to discuss appropriate courses of action. Come help out and voice your thoughts.
Several video game articles appeared on Wikipedia's main page this month. Congratulations to the contributing editors.
- A fact from Elebits: The Adventures of Kai and Zero appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 8.
- A fact from Maressa Orzack appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 8.
- A fact from Neighborhood Games appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 10.
- A fact from Runes of Magic appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 12.
- A fact from Luke Smith (writer) appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 18.
- A fact from Super Mario Bros. theme appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 20.
- Agatha Christie: And Then There Were None was featured on the Main Page as "Today's featured article" for Feb 20.
- A fact from Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 22.
- A fact from Fast inverse square root appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 23.
- A fact from Moorhuhn appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 24.
- A fact from BloodSpell appeared in the Did you know? column on Feb 26.
- A fact from Pokémon appeared in the On this day column on Feb 27.

Feature: Weekly Collaboration

The VG Project Collaboration of the Week is a new effort to improve important video game articles of low quality. Every week, an article is random selected by AnomieBOT from the Stub-, Start-, and C-class categories that are rated either High- or Top-importance. Such topics can offer a reader a good deal of encyclopedic information about video games, but are often too underdeveloped or lacking the proper level of writing and sourcing to accomplish this.

All editors are welcome and encouraged to participate by offering their insights and suggestions. Having a pool of different editors, both old and new, will help maximize improvements to the articles as well as our editing skills.

History

Collaborative efforts have come and gone within the VG project several times before. The first such effort, the "Gaming collaboration of the week", began in October 2004 as a result of the several other weekly collaborations popping up on Wikipedia. It proved to be quite successful at improving articles to meet Wikipedia's standard at the time, but the effort eventually saw less and less participation. A second effort, the "Improvement Drive", began in August 2005 with the intent of improving articles to FA-quality. However, few nominations and articles were selected. The decline in participation in the collaborations and peer reviews resulted in a third effort. It began in February 2006 as a workshop, but never got off the ground.

Numerous discussions have taken place on at WT:VG to jump start collaborations and improve the process to prevent its decline again. While previous collaborations selected any video game article, most editors felt focus should be on video game topics more encyclopedic in nature—topics that are also generally in poor shape because of lack of attention. A common problem mentioned was that previous nomination processes were lengthy and hindered participation. The current idea to automate the process was brought up by JohnnyMrNinja, which was further discussed to iron out the details.

Current collaboration

The current collaborative efforts began in mid-January 2009, and several articles have been improved by editors. The random choice is intended to minimize the selection process, which allows editors to focus on article improvement. Improvements include better organization of content, massaging and copy editing the prose, removing excess non-free images, and much more. The random choice is also meant to encourage participation from editors of varying interest and help prevent burnout. If the present selection is not to your liking, wait until next week. Editors are encouraged to add Template:Collab-gaming to their watchlist to see which article is selected. Recently selected articles are:

Week of January 19, 2009:
Video game genres – See how it improved
Week of January 26, 2009:
History of video game consoles (fourth generation) – See how it improved
Week of February 2, 2009:
Action-adventure game – See how it improved
Week of February 9, 2009:
Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss – See how it improved
Week of February 16, 2009:
Joust (video game) – See how it improved
Week of February 23, 2009:
Cartridge (electronics) – See how it improved

Things you can help with:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Jackpot World (1 participant)
Bejeweled Stars (5 participants)
Melee (game terminology) (3 participants)
Solo leveling: Unlimited (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (4 participants; relisted)
Araya (video game) (3 participants; relisted)
Crazy Bus (12 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Featured content candidates

Good article nominations

DYK nominations

No did you know nominations

Reviews and reassessments

Articles that need...

Project Navigation

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VG Project Departments

Newsletter delivery by xenobot 00:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Disagree with your move

I looked at the WikiProject Video Games naming conventions, it says "Always use the original official title of the game; English titles are preferred over foreign ones except in cases where an official English title does not exist." This looks like a case of the latter, and I thought furu meant shake too, but still. ViperSnake151 12:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (March 2009)

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter
Volume II, No. 3 - March 2009

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Project At a Glance

As of March 2009, the project has:

Changes to Featured and Good content

Promoted FA/FL:

Sam & Max: Freelance Police, Uru: Ages Beyond Myst

Promoted FT:

None

Demoted FA/FL/FT:

Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee

Promoted AA:

Pong, Rock Band (video game), Super Mario Bros. 3

Promoted GA:

Dragon kill points, Final Fantasy (video game), First-person shooter, Halo Wars, Joseph Staten, Light gun shooter, LocoRoco, Machinima, Metroid, My French Coach and My Spanish Coach, Ninja Gaiden (NES), Planescape: Torment, Popotan, Shoot 'em up, Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss

Promoted GT:

None

Demoted GA/GT:

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (NES)

News

There were 209 new articles in March 2009
Inactive project cleanup: Proposal to consolidate inactive projects and taskforces. Project page can be found here.
- Old "left over" project pages have been added to a clean up page to discuss appropriate courses of action. Come help out and voice your thoughts.
Several video game articles appeared on Wikipedia's main page this month. Congratulations to the contributing editors.
- A fact from Christopher Erhardt appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 3.
- A fact from St.GIGA appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 3.
- Giants: Citizen Kabuto was "Today's featured article" for Mar 5.
- A fact from Makoto Kanoh appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 6.
- A fact from Nintendo DSi appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 7.
- A fact from Clean Asia! appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 16.
- A fact from Gang Garrison 2 appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 22.
- A fact from 5th British Academy Video Games Awards appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 23.
- A fact from My French Coach and My Spanish Coach appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 23.
- A fact from 4th British Academy Video Games Awards appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 24.
- A fact from Monster Kingdom: Jewel Summoner appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 25
- A fact from Male Restroom Etiquette appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 26.
- A fact from Rufus (Street Fighter) appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 27.
- A fact from Factions of Command & Conquer appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 29.
- A fact from Darkness over Daggerford appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 30.
- A fact from Bloody Fun Day appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 30.
- A fact from Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem (video game) appeared in the Did you know? column on Mar 30.

Editor KieferSkunk was interviewed by video game magazine Edge. Comments from the interview were used in an article in issue 199, and an abridged online version is available on their website. Kiefer has also provided the transcript of his interview.

Reader Poll

The WikiProject Video games Newsletter released its first issue a year ago. The newsletter is meant to help connect editors, keep them up-to-date with the activities of the VG project, and improve the knowledge of our members. We've compiled a list of questions to help gauge the effectiveness of the newsletter's first year.

Answers will be accepted for a three week period following the deliver of the March 2009 issue on Wednesday, April 1, 2009. Just to clarify, this is not an April Fools' Day gag, and we would really appreciate honest criticism. Information obtained from this poll is intend to alter the newsletter for the better. So don't feel you should hold back or give answers similar to everyone else.

Feel free to voice your opinion on the Poll page.

Feature: VG Barnstar

		The Video Game Barnstar
		The VG Barnstar is an award given to Wikipedians recognized for efforts and contributions to improve and develop video game related articles.

The VG Barnstar is one of many Wikipedia Barnstars designed to be given to editors that have helped further the overall quality of Wikipedia. It was created in February 2006 by Jacoplane—see past discussion for details—and has been given to numerous editors since. Sometimes editors with multiple Barnstars use an alternative way to display them: ribbons.

Barnstars are designed to be given by anyone, so don't be shy as everyone enjoys appreciation. If you have noticed or have been impressed with the work of an editor, feel free to let them know by placing {{subst:Barnstar VG|"message" ~~~~}} on their talk page. The template uses a parameter to include a message expressing the reasons behind the award.

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Newsletter delivery by xenobot 16:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

X (Smallville)

Well, I'm grateful you kept the entry.

I looked and looked and apparently no one has contributed anything about this character to Wikipedia. I can't start the article because I have no information. The first time I was told not to leave a link red, it was suggested that I redirect to an article that had information if I didn't have enough to start an article.

But I couldn't even find that!

The CW message boards are, of course, not an acceptable source, but it was just a quick reference to this person and not one of the descriptive discussions I've read in the past. I can't even remember those now or how to find them. Otherwise, I might be able to contribute to an existing article and make that red link work as a redirect. Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The post on the CW site I read said X is probably Lex Luthor (Smallville). But I have no real source and I got reverted the last time I posted speculation about his activities and whereabouts.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 15:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

A note regarding the WPVG Newsletter

Due to an apparent lack of interest, the WPVG Newsletter will be switching from a monthly publication schedule to a quarterly one. The next issue be delivered on July 1, 2009 and will pertain to the second quarter of the calendar year. If you have any comments regarding this, or suggestions to improve the newsletter, please post at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Newsletter.

—VG Newsletter Contributors

Notice delivery by –xeno ^talk 14:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wii games

I made my last change for now (I was only going through and fixing all the links and making sure the games were in alphabetical order since some games were out of place). It was a pain in the butt, the article was so large that Wikipedia Cleaner couldn't manually do the whole article. I don't understand why the list is Japan/Europe/United States, but I guess that is more of a issue for the talkpage. TJ Spyke 07:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

noinclude response

If you move the 'noinclude' to below the last line of the template, it'll add whitespace to when multiple templates are stacked; the 'newline' character will be included since it appears before the 'noinclude'. ^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 17:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually looking at other templates, it doesn't seem to do that anymore. However, this has been an issue in the past. ^TH1RT3EN _{talk ♦ contribs} 17:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

aaron

Please be advised that the correct version of the creation of Kc & The sunshine band has been adjusted on wikipedia..so that the History can be correct thank you

HW CASEY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.161.132.160 (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

sigh

Where different cover designs are available for different regions, the one from the region in which the game has been developed should be used. If the game is not developed in an English-language region use the cover from the region in which the game receives its first English language release, unless another English language version has been uploaded first in which case don't change it. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 13:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Reversion

Please don't revert short page patrollers work, as you did at Shiloh, Texas and Shiloh, Alabama. Otherwise, the short page patrollers will continually review the same articles over and over and you make more work for us. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to edit war with you despite your invitation. There are plenty of short page patrollers, they all do this, and someone else will do as I did, and when you persist in your disruption by reverting them, you'll earn a block from someone per WP:OWN and WP:DICK. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, AeronPeryton. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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Category talk:Beatmania media

I'm not sure if there is a consensus on the right or wrong way, but it doesn't make sense to me to have the extra |class=Category|importance=NA when that is already figured out by the template coding. MrKIA11 (talk) 12:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

CSD

Hi AeronPeryton. Thank you for your work on patrolling pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I just wanted to inform you that I declined to delete File:DanceDancerevolutioncover.jpg, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion under criterion F5 because of the following concern: There is a grace period of 7 days before nom. for speedy deletion. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion and especially what is considered Non-criteria. In future you should rather tag such pages for proposed deletion or start an appropriate deletion discussion. Regards feydey (talk) 10:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

feydey (talk) 10:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Dance Dance

The image that I uploaded was from xbox.com [6] and is not disproportionate, your's is very wide for a cover. You seem to want to put a bundle cover on the page for some reason when mine is the proper cover that should be used. BW21.--Black Watch 21 15:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DDR

Were you a part of the DDR era? --eric dilettante' (mailbox) 05:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

That's hot, cause I loved playing the first one on the PS2. It was very fun. I saw your fondness to the DDR articles and such. Nice work! :) --eric dilettante' (mailbox) 05:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)