User:Celestianpower/Full archive

This page is an archive of the first 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 17th of April 2005 and the 5th of August 2005. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Welcome

Welcome!

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Zzyzx11 | Talk 16:46, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Zzyzx11. --Celestianpower 30 June 2005 22:10 (UTC)

First name disambiguation pages

I am coming to you because you voted on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Alessandra. Following the listing of Alessandra for deletion, some users are now going through first name disambiguation pages throughout Wikipedia, seeking to either delete them or to remove names. These users cite the following text in the Wikipedia:Disambiguation policy:

In most cases, do not list names of which Title is a part, unless the persons are very frequently referred to simply by their first or last name (e.g. Shakespeare, Galileo).

I believe that part of the policy should be changed. The reasons include those I've already stated in my comments on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Alessandra. To elaborate further, I believe this policy is inherently contradictory to the policy on Wikipedia:Redirect, which states that redirects should not be deleted if:

They aid searches on certain terms.
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful — this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways.

To see how this situation is similar to that for first-name disambiguation pages, we can consider the page Noam, which serves as a perfect example. Examining the page history of Noam, we see that the article started out as a redirect to Noam Chomsky (who is not commonly known by his first name). This page was then changed to a redirect to Noam Federman, at which point an edit war began between two users with the users changing the redirect back and forth between Noam Chomsky and Noam Federman. The obvious solution to this edit war, which I implemented, was to turn the redirect page into a disambiguation page for people named Noam.

By the logic of the policy quoted above on Wikipedia:Redirect, the redirect should not be deleted. But that leads to disputes over the most famous usage of a particular name. Disambiguations prevent exactly this problem, yet by the logic of the policy quoted above from Wikipedia:Disambiguation, the disambiguation page that solves this problem should be deleted!

This is why the policy stated above on Wikipedia:Disambiguation is poorly-thought out and unacceptable. Would you be willing to join me in pointing out these concerns on the talk page for Wikipedia:Disambiguation and working to change the policy so that first name disambiguation pages are acceptable? Please let me know. Thanks.

—Lowellian (talk) 13:21, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I have started the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Your comments would be appreciated! —Lowellian (talk) 17:32, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

1000000000000000

Care to take a look at this. I think it's wrong to Redirect 10¹⁵ to Trillion. Using Orders of magnitude (numbers) as a reference, Trillion is either 10¹² (short scale) or 10¹⁸ (long scale) if I'm counting the zeros correctly. Also, I obviously don't know how to get under the ASUE box with this edit! hydnjo talk 1 July 2005 18:48 (UTC)

Definately. the best thing to do is comma it and count the sets of three. 1,000,000,000,000,000 that's 100 million million which is either 100 billion (UK) or a quadrillion I should imagine in the US (checking out quadrillion I see that I'm right. Should I make a new article for it along the lines of 1000000000000? Or redirect to quadrillion? What do you reckon? And by the way, sorry about the ASUE box. --Celestianpower 1 July 2005 22:03 (UTC)

Okay then, I've Been Bold and done it. 1000000000000000. --Celestianpower 2 July 2005 07:27 (UTC)

Links need disambiguation

As much as your intent to add wiki links to the gym leaders' names in the Pokémon Regions article was good, you really should not add wiki links if you do not check they are linking the correct article first. Please take care in doing this in the future by using the Show preview button and checking each link, before you click on Save page. --Daniel Lawrence 4 July 2005 20:50 (UTC)

Sorry. Yes - I will o in future. Thank you for doing it and cleaning up my mess! --Celestianpower 5 July 2005 14:38 (UTC)

h2g2 Template

In response to your question: I have added some links to the best h2g2 entries, such as at the bottom of Ohio, as well as at the bottom of the Wikipedia entry on Ohio. --Baryonic Being 18:23, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

User:Дмитрий

This is a sock puppet of Cantus (who presently is blocked). —Lifeisunfair 08:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Oh right. Sorry. --Celestianpower ^talk 09:12, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

3.1416

This (and many of partial representations of Pi) were deleted after discussion; please don't recreate them. Thanks. Noel (talk) 21:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

It was on WP:RfD; I don't have a specific link for you, look through the history. Space is not the issue; if it was only space, most entries on VfD wouldn't be there either. Noel (talk) 15:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

PS: Talk:3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117068 might be illuminating. Noel (talk) 16:11, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

fwss

I'm very sorry if this is obvious but what does fwss mean? You used it in an edit summary. --Celestianpower ^talk 14:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Finish what someone started. I've found myself using it quite a bit when editing date pages and the like.... -- Smjg 14:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Pokémon on TV

Pokémon is not on terrestrial television in the UK at the moment.

On Sky, Kanto and the Orange Islands are shown on Toonami all over the schedule. Sky 1 show Master Quest at 7.00am, (and Sky Mix sometimes show Johto League Champions around 4.00am.)

New episodes are:

Advance Challenge on Sky 1 at 8.00am on Sundays.
Pokémon Chronicles on Toonami at 4.30pm on Wednesdays.

--Sonic Mew | talk to me 12:02, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Aboa Vetus

Hi, I just created the redirect so that I'd have an easier way to get into creating the article Aboa Vetus & Ars Nova. Now, I know it probably wasn't done exactly by policy (if there indeed is one on this kind of things), but still... The redirect didn't have a target for a whole nine minutes... :) - ulayiti (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I apoligise for my skepticism. --Celestianpower ^talk 16:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

I just wanted to thank you for awarding me with the Tireless Contributor Barnstar. It really meant a lot to me, and it was an excellent start to the month! Thanks again! Sinistro 13:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

That's quite all right. You deserve it!!! --Celestianpower ^talk 16:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Celestianpower

Hi Celestianpower, this is WiKIpeDiARocKs2001 thank you for making me feel comfortable about that I am not put under pressure and all that junk, I have already been doing some working on votes for deletion stuff, by voting to keep the article Online Soccer Project Alpha. If you have anything else please comment me on my discussion page. --WIKIPEDIArocks2001 18:12, 1 Aug 2005 (UCT)

Well I hope you continue to edit and contribute to Wikipedia, WikipediaRocks2001. Good luck. --Celestianpower ^talk 17:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello from R.H. & a question

Hi, it's me. Do I have to log in seperately for the other Wikimedia wikis, like Wikiquote or Wikipedia in other languages? --R.H. 19:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. You need seperate accounts and everything. Hope that helps. --Celestianpower ^talk 20:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for the welcoming message, been editing pages for a while but only just decided to join - already made changes to Big Brother UK Series 6 and A Series Of Unfortunate Events (Authorized Biography) which coincidently are both favorites of yours. Thanks again! Squidward2602 15:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

BB UK 6: Derek Laud

Thanks for your comments on my Talk page. The reason I changed Derek Laud's link was to try keep it in line with the other housemate links that go to the list of housemates on Big Brother UK series 6, and I noted there was already a link to Laud's main article there amongst the list of housemates. If you feel it should link directly to the main article, I'm happy for it to be changed, but I was trying to gain some consistency seeing there was a link provided to the main article anyway. --TonyW 22:00, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

I just thought that it meant more clicks for the user and that's a bad thing but it doesn't really matter. --Celestianpower ^talk 07:33, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

reply from Iron Ghost

Dear Celestianpower, Thanks very much for the welcome. I'm actually not quite a newcomer but I've been away for about two years, I used to use the name of Dr Blix and did some stuff on Chinese mythology when it was still very rudimentary. Thanks for the welcome in any case, its nice to see a bit of community spirit!

All the Best,

Dan

Re: Message to 67.whatever

Go to unfortunateevents.com and look on the message board. There a discussion regarding those titles.

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome message. I've been reading Wikipedia for a long time and figured it was about time I started contributing as well. It was nice to get a welcome message though. :)

Reply

Hello, and thanks for the welcome. I've read through all the policy pages before I made my first edit so to make sure everything follows specs :-) I've previously edited some small things anonymously, and have been working some on another wiki-page in swedish (susning.nu), but since that one has closed the edit-option due to heavy vandalism I've started to contribute to the Swedish wikipedia, and thought I would help out some on the main wikipedia too.

I hope I can be helpfull to the project. Spreetin 09:54, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Kind welcome

Hello there,

Thank you for your kind welcome to Wikipedia. The links that you provided will be useful if I should find time to contribute to Wikipedia more seriously.

For the moment I'll limit myself to commenting on Roly Mo.....

Best wishes,

Jamestaylorwiki 12:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the second 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 5th of August 2005 and the 15th of August 2005. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Edits with cut and paste?

Thanks for the welcome. One issue that came up immediately is an edit problem. I can't cut text, or even highlight it, or even select in any text window. The only way I can get to a text window is by picking on a checkbox, then tabbing until I get to the text box. Once inside the text box, I must use arrow keys to move around, as picking with the mouse causes the cursor to disappear. I have tried a reboot and tried the AOL browser and IE browser. Both have the same problem. Note that this problem is limited to all Wikipedia windows, in edit and browse modes. Non-Wikipedia windows don't have a problem. I do have some rather stringent security settings, such as "Disable Java", could this be the problem ? Any help would be much appreciated. If you don't know the answer, do you know who I should ask ? StuRat 19:29, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Right, well, firstly re-enable Java, that can't help. And secondly, GET Firefox!!! Its safer, more secure, more customisable, easier yto use, not made by money-raged lunatics ...etc... Get firefox website. If you do these 2 things and it still doesn't work; come back and we'll see again. Let me know if it does/doesn't. Good luck! --Celestianpower ^talk 19:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I will download firefox and try that. Note that your link points to getfirefox.org, which is a spoof site with ads, not the true www.getfirefox.org, however. I am reluctant to disable my security settings, but will do so just as a test. I should have results later today. --StuRat 20:27, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I apologise. Just go to The Firefox homepage then. --Celestianpower ^talk 21:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I tried FireFox, it works great, all problems fixed, thanks ! --StuRat 22:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Next problem, I go to the "Returns to scale" article (that's economics) and select the Discussion tab and I get an error that it is trying to open "index.php", which it identifies as a PhotoParade Album. It then says I lack sufficient software to open this file. I was expecting a standard text/HTML page. --StuRat 02:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I tried it and it worked fine for me. Umm, Tell me a bit about your computer, how old is it? And what Operating system are you using? Do you have any Anti Virus Protection? Try some other talk pages. Is it the same? --Celestianpower ^talk 09:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I have a very old, underpowered IBM Laptop, running Windows 98, with only memory of 64Mb and speed of 433. This error seems to be related to graphics being used in the pages. For example, I can edit this section just fine, but if I try to edit your top section ("My talk page policy..."), I get the same error (I just tried the edit button there as a test, I wouldn't actually change anything there). I don't run any anti-virus software like Norton or Macafee (mainly because my underpowered system can't handle them), but do have rather strict security settings to prevent little nasties from invading my system. StuRat 20:51, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I have some new info. This problem ALWAYS occurs when I pick "edit this page" at the top and NEVER occurs when I pick "edit" next to a section name. Is there some additional software used in the first case that isn't needed in the second case ? StuRat 17:28, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, a workaround is to only edit the small [edit] links. If you want to edit the top of a page then click one further down and in the address bar it should say section=foo. Change the foo (whatever it may be) to 1 or 0 (I can't remember which) and it'll edit that bit. Secondly, you do need a new Laptop but they're expensive. The other thing you could try is getting Linux and using that instead of Windows. It may be impractical but it will probably work. Otherwise, try an email to the admins, they might know more than I do. Sorry I can't be of more help. :( Good luck! --Celestianpower ^talk 17:52, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I tried that and got the same error (BTW, it's 0). How do I find a list of admin email addresses ? Is there one you would recommend ? I do plan to buy a new computer with Linux as the O/S, but will need to scrape some cash together first, which could be difficult as I am currently unemployed. I see a Catch 22 at work here...I only have time to contribute to Wikipedia when unemployed, at which times I lack the funds the buy the required hardware to do so, LOL. StuRat 18:32, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Try posting the question here - at the Village pump. --Celestianpower ^talk 18:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I posted the question there. Thanks for the help ! StuRat 19:27, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I see that you've found the solution - Well done! Good luck in all future WikiVentures! --Celestianpower ^talk 10:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Spolied Vegetarians

You wrote:

If you're rich and you're living in a rich society, you may eat a healthy diet with nearly whatever restrictions so long as you are allowed to cherry pick your food and take any required supplements.
I guess I can eat just apples and live very well. If I have the money, I can probably separate the minute amounts of protein from the sugar-rich apple. If the protein lacks some sort of essential amino acid, I'll take some algae- or bacteria-based supplements. I'll also take linseed oil pills and maybe some multivitamins and fiber pills.
As long as you have money, you can do anything you want.
Vegetarianism, in my opinion, is for spoiled kids. When you eat vegetables, you discard lots of tissues. Humans cannot digest fiber. Therefore, many plants' roots, stems and leaves must be abandoned. We are not cows. We are closer to tigers. If I have the money, I can probably feed a great white shark using only plant-derived fats and proteins. I only need to throw away fibres and sugars.
I know some of you may say you're eating a whole cabbage. So what? Cabbages are grown in a highly fertilized field. To get your cabbage, it takes over 100 years of cultivation. Otherwise, you get weeds. These vegetables are on the top of the food chain. They consume nitrogen supplied from fertilizers. And it takes lots of efforts to keep bugs away from your cabbage. These are not normal wild plants.

Anyway, eating fruits only is not for the rest of us. -- Toytoy 18:29, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

- From talk:Fructarianism

Are you saying you never eat vegetables? And the meat you eat comes from the same (and most likely worse) "cultivation" methods as my diet (as a vegetarian). Furthermore, a vegetarian diet is cheaper. Meat costs more money than vegetables therefopre you don't need to be 'spoiled' to be a vegetarian. A vegetarian diet has also been proved to be more varied so I have no idea how you can believe such things. Have they been researched? --Celestianpower ^talk 09:46, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Fact: People cannot eat most wild plants. We simply cannot digest fiber. We have to consume highly refined plant parts. Either we grow high quality vegetables and manually process them or we let the cows do the job.

Eating an apple after a beef and potato meal is totally different from eating fruits and nuts only. Religious ideas aside, it will be highly inefficient to grow so many fruits and nuts for everybody on Earth. This is not a workable answer for all of us. Outside the U.S., most of us use less developed lands to raise farm animals. Many of us feed our pigs with leftover foods and unedible fish parts. That's why a total vegetarian solution is considered unrealistic by me. -- Toytoy 10:06, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

We could grow our own or at least some of our own (I know; not all that practical)
And buing Organic involves less "manual processing" (although still quite a bit I agree).
Less developed land to raise farm animals? This is equally bad, if not worse, than growing vegetables on this land. People in Africa/S. America/Indonesia cut down rainforests, graise cows on the for a couple of years then move on because they've created savvannah or desert. This is not good. We need the rainforests, not more desert. It takes a few days to destroy a rainforest but 50 years to grow a new one.
We should be putting these things into composting and using the compost to grow new vegetables.

Don't get me wrong, I eat eggs and milk but only organic free range because I need to know that the animals weren't raised in a large metal barn with no natural light and magnesium on the floor that gives the animals very painful sores and with so little movement (because they're so packed in) that they literally get to the stage where they can't move. That is wrong. --Celestianpower ^talk 10:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Please allow me to fix your wiki coding, or it will be very difficult to read your words. I did not change your words.

People in Africa/S. America/Indonesia cut down their rainforests with or without the meat industry. You still need land to grow plant foods. Yes, the area used to grow grains shall be smaller but it will be offset by the endless growth of population in a matter of years. There will still be famine and poverty unless they take their pills and wear their condoms. Otherwise, there will be more grain fields and more plant food wastes. We feed our livestock with unedible parts, what do we do if we don't eat animals as well?

In addition, fields to grow grains consume more water, more infrastructure, more fertilizer and more pesticide than livestock farms. That means more waste and more pollution. Admit it, vegetarianism is not a viable solution. The more artificial restrictions (no eggs, no milk, fruits only ...), the more problems. -- Toytoy 11:21, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you.

If it was just Africans/S. Americans/Indonesians cutting down the rainforests then that would be better than multinationals doing the same thing but I do take your point about population growth. There is enough natural resources in this Earth for each and every person to live without needing to cut down rainforests ...etc... but they don't do it this way. They do it the cheapest and "Easiest" way possible. So what if it's unsustainable.

You didn't take my composting point. Also think about crop rotations. Legumes, clover and some other plants actually re-nitrate (if thats a real word) the soil. This means that one doesn't need to keep cutting down more and more rainforests. A totally vegetarian world is sustainable and viable but we have to go about it right yet none of the World leaders want to take this on. They prefer to kill their plannet by raising livestock on rainforest land and doing nothing to stop it turning into desert. Its a disgrace. --Celestianpower ^talk 11:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I can't help but participating in this fascinating conv. At the risk of offending creationists out there, our bodies have essentially the same digestive system as other primates. This would suggest we would benefit from a similar diet, which is primarily vegetarian, with meat on very rare occasions. I particularly try to avoid red meat, such as beef, which is the worst for us (causing heart disease, prostate cancer, etc.), and eat things like salmon, which is supposed to be healthy (due to omega 3 fats). There are some indications that this "rare meat" diet was what our bodies are designed to handle. An example is the appendix, which seems designed to keep microbes safe which are needed for the digestion of raw meat. If not "put aside", they would presumably be pushed out of the system due to the long stretches between meat meals. Since we no longer eat raw meat, except for sushi and steak tartar, the appendix is no longer as important, except for the lessons we learn from it. --StuRat 21:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

That's fine: Just dive in! I thought that the appendix was to store some bacteria that helped to break down grass from when we ate nothing but grass. Or maybe that's the spleen? Anyway, after hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, it has become redundant. --Celestianpower ^talk 11:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

No way, digesting grass would require a total change in our digestive system and lifestyle. Ruminants, which eat grass, need 4 stomaches and have to eat almost constantly to get adequate nutrition from grass, which has very little food value. I wouldn't exactly say it was evolution that made the appendix redundant, but rather our mastery of fire, which allows us to cook meat and hence make it safer and more digestable. I suppose the sum of skills and knowledge passed down to subsequent generations could be considered a type of "technological evolution", but it's definitely not the classic "biological evolution" of Darwin. BTW, I sure hope you didn't forget my technical question above, this is really quite a problem. --StuRat 21:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I may be wrong however that is what my biology teacher told me; and we wouldn't need different enzymes ...etc... because the bacteria would do it for us. What big question? I can't see it. --Celestianpower ^talk 17:44, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

I was referring to the previous section on my edit problems. StuRat 18:00, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes - I now realise as such and have answered to the best of my ability. --Celestianpower ^talk 18:16, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Gym Leader stubs

I'm not seeing what the problem with merging them is. They aren't heavily linked, they aren't fleshed out, right now they don't establish notability at all, and PAC has about 150 or so Pokémon to plow through before getting to them. I'm not convinced that some of them can be brought up to full article status, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Until then, merging them into lists make reference easier, make it easy to link them, make it easier to find the info with search, and makes it easier to see what still needs to be done.

Ideally, I'd like to see List of Johto Gym Leaders and List of Hoenn Gym Leaders as a list of one- or two-paragraph summaries of the characters, with See Also links for the characters who have enough personality and backstory to justify an article.

Until then, unlinked two-sentence stubs are exceedingly unlikely to be of use to anyone. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 12:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Rather than discussing this across a half dozen talk pages, maybe we could continue this conversation at Talk:List of Johto Gym Leaders? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Pokémon names in other languages

Hey there Celestianpower! Just a pointer for your PAC expanded articles; when presenting a Pokémon's name in different languages, please make the links point towards the language itself, like this: [[German language|German]], not like this: [[German]] or [[Germany]]. Links of the latter style point towards disambiguation pages, and it would help readers more to be directed immediately to the language in question rather than to its native speakers or their country. Keep up the good work! Sinistro 15:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Point taken. I will endevour to do as such in the future. --Celestianpower ^talk 16:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

WP: PAC

I've been mainly putting my efforts into other articles recently, (many of them still Pokémon related.) I've run low on things to do though, so I may go and help out. Sonic Mew | talk to me 22:27, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

US English vs. British English ?

I was wondering if there is any convention on which to use here. England, Ireland, Wales, etc. have one version on English and the US has another. Australia, New Zealand, and most other former British colonies speak a language closer to British English while Canada is midway between US and British English. In former US colonies, like Cuba and the Philippines, and countries that do business with the US, those who speak English tend to speak the US version. So, I don't really know which is more widespread. Then again, this site is of UK origin, right ? So, should I write:

"I collected me mate's mum after driving me lorry along the dual carriage-way to her flat, taking the lift, and knocking her up."

Or:

"I picked up my friend's mother after driving my truck along the divided highway to her apartment, taking the elevator, and knocking on the door."

Note that "knocking her up" would mean "impregnating her" in US English !

Please remeber to always sign and date entries.

I'm English and would never say either. I would say, "I picked up my friend's Mum after driving my truck along the dual carriage-way to her flat, taking the lift and knocking on the door."

As to your question, it is a long and arduous one.

If you're talking about a person prodominantly English (in a biographical article) then use British English. Eg, Charlie Chaplin.
If you're talking about a person prodominantly American however (in a biographical article) then use American English. Eg, Martin Luther King Jr.
If you're talking about an item or brand name prodominantly English or English in Origin, then use British English. Eg, Harry Potter.
If you're talking about an item or brand name prodominantly American or American in Origin however, then use American English. Eg, McDonalds.
If you are talking about a place or locale that is in the UK, use British English. Eg, Stroud, Gloucestershire.
If you are talking about a place or locale that is in the USA, use American English. Eg, Ohio.
If the subject matter cannot be connected to either the UK or the USA then use the language that you would use normally and as long as you're consistant then it's OK.n I would prefer you to use British English (because I hate Americanisms) but I am not in control of Wikipedia (no-one is) so do whatever comes naturally in this last case.

By the way, in the UK "knocking her up" means impregnating her also.

Hope that helps! --Celestianpower ^talk 17:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Oops, forgot to sign. Some of what I said might be Aussie or Kiwi English, I have a hard time distinguishing them from British English as they each seem quite similar, relative to US English. All those rules appear to come down to "use whichever would be used by those in the article". I suppose I'd better not contribute to any articles on, say, Shakespeare, since my British English needs work (although British English and US English probably have more in common with each other than Middle English has with either). I can easily see how an edit war could erupt over this issue, so will use a more tolerant policy of "don't correct anyone's English, as long as it's valid in some country on Earth". Of course, since I don't know what's valid everywhere, this could be tricky. I certainly would correct slang, however, like the infamous US "ebonics", as in "theys be wack". StuRat 18:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Question on Massive Redirects

I edited an article, Euclidean distance, to which I can come up with thousands of possible redirects, including:

point distance formula
pt/dist equation
pt-to-pt formulas
2D pt/pt distance equations
2 pt distance formulae

Do I need to define them all independently, or is there some way to compose them like this:

"2D |3D |" &

"2|two|" &

" |-|/|" &

"point|pt|pt.|" &

" |-|/|" &

"to|" &

" |-|/|" &

"point|pt|pt." &

" |-|/" &

"distance|dist|dist.|" &

" |-|/|" &

"formula|formulae|formulas|equation|equations"

--StuRat 20:28, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

No - sorry but each redirect must be made separately. If you don't already know, this is the wikiSyntax:

#REDIRECT A Series of Unfortunate Events

Where "A Series of Unfortunate Events is the page it redirects to. Hope that helps! --Celestianpower ^talk 20:34, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Morty.jpg

Hey, thanks for posting this image, and it'd be great to have images like this for all of the Gym Leaders, but I spotted a possible problem. Where did this image come from, and where's the copyright status info? I didn't want to stick a possiblyunfreeimage tag on it so IFD didn't get their hands on it, but it needs to be sourced. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 13:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I got it from [1]. Isn't there a rule saying that screenshots are allowed? Because that's just a screenshot of the anime. If not - I apologize and just delete it. --Celestianpower ^talk 13:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

No rule against it, but you have to cite it. Put a link to where you got it on the image's page, and add the {{fairuse}} tag to it.

Actually, if you could get images like that for all the Gym Leaders, it'd be great. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 13:42, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

List of Johto Gym Leaders TOC

Personally, I think both designs are a bit ugly, Johto__gym because it's awkward and requires nested infoboxes, the one you added because the two columns don't line up. Would it be possible to redesign yours so the two colums line, at least at the center? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

How's that? --Celestianpower ^talk 14:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Fantastic. I'm going to update the Johto_gym infobox with that design, if you don't mind. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 14:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Fine. --Celestianpower ^talk 14:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Admin nomination

I think I'm ready to become an Admin. I've been here since April 17 (3.5 months in total) and made (at time of posting) 1188 edits (250+ on talks), half major, half minor I'd say. I think I've been nearly everywhere. I'm an active member of the PAC (10 stubs expanded) and made quite a few A Series of Unfortunate Events articles. I've welcomed about 45 new users, been on VfD quite a lot and generally shown cool throughout. Please could you nominate me? (Ps, I came here because I was looking and saw you said this, "However, if you are not an admin, and you meet my criteria, let me know and I would happily nominate you."). Thank you. --Celestianpower ^talk 15:01, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Remind me in about a week, I'm too busy to look you over carefully. What is your pet project on wikipedia? What would you do with your mighty admin power? Pedant 22:44, 2005 August 10 (UTC)

Celestianpower has been quite helpful to me, a new user, so I support the nomination. StuRat 23:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

File:IT room.jpg

untagged image

OK, I've looked over some of your edits, and I have just a touch of advice for you:

If you add a splendid and useful image such as Image:IT room.jpg, it would be great if you A)tagged it with an appropriate copyright tag, and B)uploaded it to the wikimedia commons if it's public domain or GFDL etc. and C)add it to an article before it becomes an orphan image. (I took the liberty of adding it to Computer lab )
You've done som great copyedits to other people's articles, cheers for that, but you could do with going back to some of your own material and re-reading it with an eye to copyediting it.
Find something missing from wikipedia, or poorly covered, an area of study that you genuinely enjoy, and put some substantial effort into adding to it, getting others involved in it, and create some gem of 'wikpediation' that wasn't here before, or was sorely lacking until you tended to it a bit.
Really remind me in say two weeks, that you think you are going to be a good admin, and I'll likely nominate you if you improve just that slightest bit. Cheers for helping newcomers too, by the way. Pedant 02:14, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

User:Celestianpower/pokeinfobox

Awesome. I fixed a single typo in your original (missing a space between the name and the National Pokédex number). That fixed, it looks absolutely great. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh! One thought...you're not going to be able to just use the article name; you'll need to pass the Pokemon's name as another parameter. There are lots of articles with names like [[Pokemonname (Pokémon)]]. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:46, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed that problem myself, when I went back to Kyogre. I see you solved it; how did you fix it in Pikachu? It seems to still be broken in Kyogre. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 22:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind. Looks like all it needed was a quick trivial edit. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 22:16, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I turned it into a   to make it totally invisible now. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 22:20, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Good. Thank you. --Celestianpower ^hab 16:04, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Wikiportal Pokémon launched!

Why thank you, although I resent the implication that I'm not a silly deletionist. ;) - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 20:08, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

IDRIVE

Thank you for your support of This week's Improvement Drive.
This week Spice trade was selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help…

Jynx (Pokémon)

Could you watch Jynx (Pokémon) a bit? I'm kind of sick of revert warring on and off with User:Jynx, plus I want a reality check to make sure I'm not off in left field with my edits. Can you do that for me? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 15:55, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Section Level Watch?

Is there a way to just watch a specific section ? I have made some minor changes to some huge pages, like Terrorism:Talk and Tea, and now my watchlist is inundated with changes to these articles completely unrelated to my change. If this isn't currently possible, where can I make the suggestion that this ability be added ? StuRat 17:49, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

No - currently you can't watch sections. Sorry. Try requestion it at The village pump proposals section. Happy watching! --Celestianpower ^hab 17:58, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I tried requesting it, but that link didn't work. StuRat 19:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

The link now works. --Celestianpower ^hab 20:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

A few questions about wiki

thanx for saying me hello...u said that wiki is a little bit complicated? It's very hard to understand how to respect all the rights of the authors...And I want to ask u if i can take a picture from wiki in english and just link that to wiki in french? Coz it's a little bit long to copy all the images on my computer and etc. And a last question: do u like manga? I mean, others than just pokemon... (post by Bobby Disgracious at 22:58 on the 14th August 2005)

First of all, please type ~~~~ at the end of your comments so that we can contact you back and see who made a particular comment. Right, I'll split your questions up a bit (they are all valid):

If you want the short answer then don't respect the rights of other authors. It says at the bottom of every edit page, and I quote, "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it.". Wikipedia ia built on ruthless editting.
I doubt it. They are separate entities. Sorry.
Do I like manga? No is the answer. I dislike comics and yes - that includes Pokémanga.

I hope you're enjoying editting and I hope that helps! :) --Celestianpower ^hab 22:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi from Saudade7

Hi Celestianpower, thanks for the nice welcome. I am okay I think with wiki in general, but I am pretty sure this is not how I was supposed to say "hi" on your talk page. But since the average amount of time a piece of stupidity survives on wiki is 2 minutes, I'm sure my note here will disappear soon. Love, Saudade7.

Don't worry - I've moved it. It isn't stupidity however it does say to click that link at the top when leaving a comment. Never mind though! :) --Celestianpower ^hab 22:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello from Jasonp

Thanks for the nice welcome; I appreciate your welcome very much and look forward to cooperating w/ everyone in Wikipedia :) I don't know if this is the best way to leave you a message, but this is the only thing I could find!

Thanks again! Take care

Jasonp 22:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

There is a large link at the top of the page in the purple section for you to click but don't take it too seriousl. Here at wikipedia it's best to be bold (we actually have a policy that says so) and others'll correct you if you make a small mistake! Have fun and good luck! PS, I'm glad you've learnt about ~~~~!!!! :) --Celestianpower ^hab 22:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello...

Always nice to have greeters! Glad to be here. --Bill Janssen 22:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I know - Isn't it just? --Celestianpower ^hab 22:54, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Native language

For your edification, I added a mocked-up native language template. Almafeta 23:06, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

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Re:Welcome (IsWayneBradygonnahavetosmacka)

To little to late, it's to bad i been made to feel so unwelcomed on here already. --IsWayneBradygonnahavetosmacka 09:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome Message (Malaise)

Thank you very much for your kind and highly informative message! I simply love the fact that in wikipedia, anybody can simply get down to work on improving the site, with improvement not restricted to adding new articles and information to existing articles. I foresee a great time here. Thanks again for your message! It's much appreciated. --Malaise 11:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Flaunted

thanks for the welcome, i have been using the site for ages...finally decided to create a log-in. hehe :) Flaunted 14:46, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Ground Zero

Ground Zero has accepted his nomination to be an admin and replied to questions at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Ground_Zero. Homey 21:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Welcome (Eldar)

Thanks for the welcome message :-) Actually I have been around for a few months (and just used the Wikipedia for a few months before that). Currently I try to be conservative in my edits (most articles I know about are rather good as they are), adding or correcting one bit of information at a time. As I gain experience (and get some more free time on my hands) I hope to implement one or two new article ideas that I have in my mind.

I must say that I find the Wikipedia one of the most surprisingly useful projects on the net. "Surprisingly" because it is one of those ideas that tend to draw out the "It will never work" comment from people that did not see it in action. But it sure works.

Eldar 22:39, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hiya. Just wanted to thank you for supporting my recent RfA. Cheers! --Ngb 19:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

User:A Man In Black/Poketasks

No ire at all, but User:A Man In Black/Poketasks is my personal checklist of stuff to do. Granted, I did want to remove the IPA thing, but if you want to remind me of something related to it could you instead drop me a note on the talk page, next time? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 20:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I didn't realise that you minded me removing something you'd removed from everywhere else, I thought it an open-and-shut kind of edit and obviously I wouldn't do it otherwise. If you'd prefer, I'll leave alone. Sorry. --Celestianpower ^hab 20:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry too much about it. I'm not mad, I just want to keep that page as my personal checklist. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 21:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Blaziken, Growlithe and Name Origins

I just finished expanding them. I also went over all the Name Origins of all the Pokemon, and corrected them (both grammatical errors and information mistakes). I assigned this task to myself because I have a lot to give in this area. If there's any other way to contribute to this Pokémon project, please feel free to notify me. Thanks --ErezR 21:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome message

Thank you for welcoming me & the advise. I contributed to the Dutch and German Wikipedia already, so I think it won't be much of a problem to follow the guidelines. Still thanks, and good luck! Friedrich Tellberg 18:21, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hi again Celestianpower! You said hi to me last week (I'm Saudade7)

I was just reading your message again and I am thinking it might be something you send out to all new people? If so (and please don't hold this against me) you might want to fix this line: "There are lots of policies and guidelines to get to grips with but they all make you're life easier and you're stay more fun in the long run." I think you meant "your" instead of you're" e.g. "you're life" and "you're stay"...you probably have to write so much, and if you are like me, most of it gets done at 3am! that a few things like this slip through. Okay! Don't hate me for being nit-picky, but otherwise I probably wouldn't be as obsessed with Wiki as I am! Love, Saudade7 Saudade7 19:01, 17 August 2005 (UTC)Aug 17? I hope I did that right!

Thank you very much for pointing that out. I've now fixed it. Hope you're having fun! --Celestianpower ^hab 09:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

May I nominate you for admin?

I'd like to nominate you for admin. Pedant 06:53, 2005 August 18 (UTC)

Yes, please do! Thank you. --Celestianpower ^hab 09:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

3RR breach

You have removed the image on Jynx (Pokémon) 3 times in the last 24 hours. See this policy page for the official policy. If you revert again, you will be blocked for 24 hours and the page may be protected. --Celestianpower hab 08:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

WHAT!? That's harsh!

But what is your reason of putting that pic there in the first place? It wasn't there before!

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jynx" (Previously unsigned comment made by Jynx at 09:53 on 18 August 2005)

Please remember to sign and date talk page entries.

No, I believe it adds context to the criticisms section. Wikipedia is not filtered for the protection of minors. We have an article on Child Pornography so why should we remove the picture of Jynx from when she has black skin? Even pokemon.com has that image. --Celestianpower ^hab 09:34, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The ASUE Table

Could you edit your ASUE table so that it's more like the table at the bottom of Pink Floyd? The space that it occupies could be used for other things (E.G. the book covers), and similar tables are more traditionally put at the bottoms of pages, anyway. Mr Who 17:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

If you change the table to include the book cover, the table would become too large. One of the problems with the table is the size. Does it really need to be any larger than it already is? I think that it should be moved to the bottom, and reshaped. The movement to the bottom will not remove any ease of use. Mr Who 17:56, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Much better. I edited it so that the picture would be inside the navbar; it was outside for some reason. Are you ready to change its location and such? Mr Who 18:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Style remarks

Hi Celestianpower. Thank you for your edits at Murderous Maths. I have just a small remark about style. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Headings, one should write ==External links== instead of ==External Links==. Does not matter much, but it is worth keeping this convention for the sake of consistency. So I thought I would let you know. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov 01:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Fernando Rizo's RfA

Thanks for supporting my RfA earlier this week, Celestianpower. I'll see you around the Wiki. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the vote at RFA. Greatly appreciated. Journalist (talk · contribs)

Re: Welcome (SamanthaPr)

Just wanted to pop in to say thanks for the welcome message you wrote. I appreciate it. :) SamanthaPr 19:16, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Fuchsia City challenge

Drop me a note when you're done rewriting this. I saw the version you just posted, and it had me pondering what's appropriate for a list or not. (I'm not quite convinced that this isn't better suited to a list, but I wanted to let you finish rewriting.) - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:15, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Contrast the article as written with User:A Man In Black/Poketasks/Merge/List of places in Kanto. I'm ambivalent; I really feel the context is an aid to understanding and that places in Pokémon are way down the list of notable subjects, but this list would have 12-15 items on it, all about that length or so. (Note that some of them would be breakout See Alsos, similar to List of Pokémon items#Poké Ball.)

Your thoughts? Any worries about lost info here? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Celeste: Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. I received many votes from editors that I encounter frequently, which is re-assuring, but I am honoured that you and others that I don't know through Wikipedia saw fit to support the nomination. The admin powers will enable me to patrol for vandals more effectively, amongst other things. I promise to use my new powers for good, and not to inflict the retribution on my enemies that they so richly deserve, as tempting as that may be. ;-) Thanks again, Kevin. Ground Zero 13:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Odd Request

I have kind of an odd request. May I steal (read inherit) your Adminship criteria page? I'd give you credit for the original page and only make a few changes. I have my own criteria page, but I never liked the way I worded it and felt I was too harsh. Acetic Acid 20:14, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Most certainly do. I have no problem with that. I'll take it as a compliment... —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 20:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC) 20:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I get the feeling I was offending others by opposing so often. This lays everything out in clear, concise terms. The only changes I'm going to make are number-related ones. Acetic Acid 20:40, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

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No Problem

This is awarded to Celestianpower for letting me *steal* his RFA criteria page. :) Thanks again! Acetic Acid 21:30, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks for the Barnstar. This is for you. :)

Thank you very much

HappyCamper's RFA - Thanks for your support! :-)

Hi Celestianpower! Thanks for supporting me during my recent RFA. I am now an administrator, and I was especially happy to receive support from a Wikipedian whom I hadn't had a chance to get to know better yet. Have we met somewhere on Wikipedia before? Perhaps on the Reference Desk?

I hope we can collaborate on a project, whether it be editing articles or performing administrative tasks. If you ever need a hand, feel free to leave me a message! Thanks again for your show of support and sincerity. Happy editing! --HappyCamper 15:15, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcoming Committee?

Are you part of a Welcoming Committee? That's very nice of you. I have been active at wikibooks, and only created a login here so I could leave a signed message on someone else's talk page.

As you can see from my user page, I am really home at wikibooks. I can hardly wait until we get a single sign on!

Do you think the redirect on my user page is a good idea? Do you think it would be a good idea to put the redirect on my talk page, too, so friendly people like yourself will know where to find me when they want to say hello?

Thanks for your advice. I may update all the user/talk pages on all my wiki accounts (if I can remember which wikis I have registered to) --SV Resolution 15:52, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. So you think "please visit me at [...] would be better than what I now have at User:SV Resolution?

Adminship

Courtesy note to let you know that you've been nominated for adminship. --Baryonic Being 16:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Continuing Fuchsia City discussion

I replied to your comment on my talk page. I welcome a reply, but be warned that I'm going to be out of the country for a few weeks on personal business, so it may be quite a while before I can respond further.

Then again, you never know. I may be on Wikipedia in the interim. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 16:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Thanks a lot for your support and kind words at my request for adminship. I reread my answers to the guideline questions many times as a result, feeling very pleased about myself. ;) Coffee 05:13, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

How to use images from commons ?

I added 3 images to inflection point, but afterwards realized I should have put them in Wiki commons. I loaded the 3 images there, under the same name, but I can't get rid of the images I uploaded to Wikipedia. How do I get rid of those and redirect the inflection point article to find the illustrations under the same name in Wiki commons ? StuRat 08:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Why would you want to delete them? I'm not very good with images, sorry, but from what I can gather, just link them exactly the same as you would had they been at commons...

If not, try asking a question at the Village Pump. Sorry I can't help more but that's the best I can do. :( By the way, have you thought about voting at my RfA? LOL! --Celestianpower ^{hab | myRFA} 09:18, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Gender

I'm so sorry. XD I knew you were a male, too. I don't know why I did that. Good luck with the rest of your nomination, my boy! Acetic Acid 15:49, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Scimitar RfA

Thanks for supporting my RfA, and also thank you for complimenting my answers. If you ever have any complaints/issues/whatever with my edits, please drop me a line. --Scimitar ^parley 18:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the Barnstar.

(By the way, it didn't affect my supporting your RFA!) Sonic Mew | talk to me 16:04, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Yu realise I was joking? I supported you because I recognised your good work. Sonic Mew | talk to me 12:11, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Lists of categories and templates

Where can I find a list of templates and categories for use on Wikipedia. I am new to editing pages, etc. on wikipedia (i have been however a long time user of wikipedia for school assignments, etc.).

thanks,

Joshua (by email)

Please lodge messages at my talk page rather than sending email because its more convenient for me and it'll be answered quicker.

Try Special:Categories for categories and Wikipedia:Navigational templates or Wikipedia:Templates for templates. Hope that helps! --Celestianpower ^{hab | myRFA} 21:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Jynx (Pokemon)

What I saw was purple, but anyway, a lot of people think that Jynx is ugly so that's why I suggested to make that picture into a link. So people can choose whether to see it or not. jynx 07:15, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

But we have plenty of pictures of slugs on the Slug article and they're ugly... --Celestianpower ^{hab | myRFA} 09:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Is it really impossible to change it into a link though? Pokemon fans are mainly kids. I don't see slugs have a lot of fans. Biologists might look at them for researches. jynx 03:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THAT PIC INTO A LINK? WHAT IS THE MATTER IF I DO IT? jynx 13:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Vacation

Have a good time in Dartmouth! :D Acetic '^Acid 11:10, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Re: category:Firefox users

I never really thought of it really. I have done now, thanks for the idea! File:Smily.jpg FireFox 14:04, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!

Dear Celestianpower, thanks for your vote of confidance at my RfA. I'll try hard to make the soggy mop proud! — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 22:37, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship

Hi, Celestianpower. Thank you so much for your support and kind words on my bureaucratship nomination. Unfortunately, it didn't pass, but I intend to run again soon. If you'd like to be informed next time around, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks again! Andre (talk) 05:25, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

V.F.D.

Why do you think that the V.F.D. article needs cleanup and what do you think needs doing specifically? --Celestianpower ^{hab | myRFA} 10:10, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

See the "Cleanup request" section on Talk:V.F.D.. -- Beland 22:43, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

UKCOTW: Demographics of the United Kingdom

Just to let you know, an article you've voted for, has became this week's UKCOTW: Demographics of the United Kingdom. Come and help out! :D -- Joolz 14:17, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi celestian from 'thegirlinwhite'! ;o)

hi celestian!

it's a real honor to be doing this. it's one of my discoveries of the year.

btw: you should be saying 'vandals welcome' rather than 'vandal's welcome'?! surely more grammatical? ;o)

yours pedantically and GRATEFULLY,

x

tgiw

thegirlinwhite 22:52, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Celestianpower:
Thanks for support and comments in my recent RFB nomination. I'm now WP's newest bureaucrat. :) Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:52, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

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Edgar Bainton

I was just browsing through other Wikipedian musicians (by category) and noticed you are also a singer. You might like to give me your opinion of the Edgar Bainton article I recently finished, you might not, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Alf ^melmac 23:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC) I've never heard of him personally (having never sung any of his music) but am very familliar with Stanford and Dyson, which are mentioned as friends of his. However, I found the article informative and interesting to read but the lists at bottom perhaps need some work. Prosify perhaps or shorten and link to an external site that shows the information. It also needs a a picture but that can be difficult to find as fair use or in the public domain. Overall, a good article, well done! --Celestianpower ^hab 14:57, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for the feedback, I'll have a go at that list. I'm sure you'll get to perform And I Saw a New Heaven at some time, it's beautiful (even more so if you are one of the tenors!). I'll hunt again for pictures. Thanks again for your time and input. Alf ^melmac 15:09, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I did have another look at this, compared it to other composers who have their Opuses (sp?) listed: it doesn't seem to bad by comparison to the majority, so for the moment I'm happy to let it walk by itself. Alf ^melmac 00:00, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Fine by me. Are you a tenor then? It's the best part in my opinion - a lot of the time it's as sparkly as Soprano but with the advantage of being in the harmony (with all of the challenges that that brings). Perhaps I'll do a quick google search for that piece you recommended... --Celestianpower ^hab 21:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yet another high baritone, I "run out" at at F above middle C, but I spent the better part of my singing life as an Alto, so I do a very reasonable 'fake tenor', and usually get away with it :) I'm particulary handy when the line is angular, or in early music, when the line is generally higher than most natural tenors have trouble keeping it, um... refined, if you follow my meaning. Maybe that makes me bi-tenor curious (he-he)! Alf ^melmac 05:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm the same, I can get the F but G? Takes a bit of falsetto and a bit of luck lol! True tenors are hard to find. I've only ever met one. Have you ever sang Zadok the Priest by Handel? That takes it out of you if your not a true tenor... --Celestianpower ^hab 09:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I always try to 'bagsy' the alto line in Zadok, have sung it many, many times. The alto part in that is mostly boring but the few 'moments' it does have are well worth it. I've been lucky enought to have been in choirs in Oxford and Cambridge since the early 1980s, so have covered quite a fair bit of ground since then. Alf ^melmac 10:00, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Cool. Have you heard of our choir, Holy Trinity, Stroud? We're pretty good and have invites to return to all of the Cathedrals we've visited (including our local cathedral, Gloucester where we've been told that we just need to ring up whenever and they'll fit us in) Anyway, enough boasting, when you say Oxford and Cambridge, do you mean the cathedral choirs there? --Celestianpower ^hab 14:56, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Mostly college choirs in both cities, used to sing with the Cathedral Singers of Christ Church Oxford (Cathedral B-team) fairly frequently, so know most of the anglican evensong, mass and mattins music repetoire. I haven't heard of HTS, but I don't get out much to concerts - usually busy enough doing them. Alf ^melmac 17:10, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Your WP:PAC assignment

Since you have not edited your WP:PAC assignment, Whiscash, within the last week, you have been un-assigned from the article. Unfortunately, we have to enforce this rule if we wish to finish the remaining articles within a reasonable amount of time.

If you wish, you are welcome to request a new assignment. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 14:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

PS: You like choral singing? So do I. What musical part do you sing?^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

Wow - thank you! I sing tenor in my church choir. Tenor is so the best part - tune-esque glitter as well as harmony (and all of the challenges it entails). So what part do you sing then? --Celestianpower ^hab 15:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I sing pretty much everything. I was on my high school choir —we annually enter national competition with other schools and have won 4 times—, and my choirmaster kept shuffling me around; one day I sing tenor, the other day I sing baritone (especially if enough baritones dont show up for rehersal) the other day I might go to Mezzo-soprano etc. I think the best part is alto though. Theres just something about it, their voices are always strong, think, and rich. ^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

Cool. I'm not what anyone would call a true tenor - just a high baritone. I can only get up to an F/G. I do take issue with the tenor artixcle actually. C5? No piece of music I've come accross has been written with a tenor part that goes higher than G. If you don't mind me asking, are you male or female? I would guess male (singing baritone some of the time) but I know quite a few female baritones (of which my old choir director was one. --Celestianpower ^hab 15:36, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Im male; I just have a high head range (A5 with head voice, D6 with falsetto). Since I was a kid about 10 or so, I became passionate about singing. Those were the time when we had those strong soprano voices :) I used to sing along to many singers (eg Rock Stars with high ranges like Bon Jovi, and a couple female singers like Patti Labelle) for long periods of time. Over a time, I developed a botton range, but my head voice didnt go away, so Im capable of singing pretty much every part with equal ease. ^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

Hi guys, C above middle C is not so rare for tenors in concert pieces (secular), G - A flat frequently in Byrd, Lassus and Gibbons, withthe occasional B flat. The highest writing for tenor I've seen is the "Olim lacus colueram" from Carl Orff's Carmina Burana, which is just ludicrous - from memory it goes up to f two octaves above middle C - but the music is about how painful it is to be a swan getting roasted, so it can sound painful. ; ) Alf ^melmac 16:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

PS Ian Gillan, now there's a man with a phenominal range, Child in Time for example, looses me singing along every time. Alf ^melmac 16:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I see. I obviously have a lot less experience than you two. I am however only 15 - 2 years ago I was getting Cs and Bs that were 2 octaves above middle C! I can get from about G, bottom of the Bass clef to G, top of the tenor clef. I'm sure it will get bigger as I get older and carry on working at it. --Celestianpower ^hab 20:29, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Yet again my perceptions of the young have been steam rollered: this project and those involved it, amaze me. My respect to you, young sir. Alf ^melmac 21:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

How old did you think I was? I thought you knew I was only 15? Anyway, not that it matters. And I probably agree with your perceptions of the young, we have at least 20 idiots for every person like me at my school (Their vandalism of that article is rather sad really). --Celestianpower ^hab 21:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I knew you were a teen, but I didnt know you were this young. I thought you were probably 17. Im 18 — just turned it August 22. Im finally an adult- well legally :). To tell the truth, Im still 13 years old in my mind. ^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

Also Alf, I have no idea about classical music. Im from Jamaica, we mostly listen to Reggae and Dance Hall —Yeah Man! However, I personally have very ecclectic musical taste. As long as something is gratifying to the ears, no matter from what genre, Ill listen to it. ^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

I didn't know that being a resident of Jamaica disqualified you from being culturally diverse and exposure to Choral and Classical music. Perhaps I'm just naïve... --Celestianpower ^hab 22:32, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, that came out wrong. The thing is, classical music just isnt that popular where I'm from. The most popular are Reggae, Dance Hall, Hip Hop, and Calypso. Most of the radio and tv stations play reggae and dance hall, and the most popular American songs. Ofcourse other forms of music are quite popular there, like jazz, blues, pop, soul, rock ect, but the people who I grew up around really have no taste for classical music, so I never developed a strong taste for it. I have a minor taste for it though, but I only know the most popular classical articts, like Pavarotti for instance. ^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

Thanks for the warm welcome (VladoVioVoda)

Hi Celestianpower,

before being part of this amazing, world-changing endeavor, i would like to ask you a really simple question (you might consider it even a bit intimidating): how does exacltly Wikipedia preseves the high quality and validity of information? what is the mechanism behind it, and how does it fight vandalism?

i cannot tell you much about myself in wiki terms/ probably you will learn who i am in time

however, i am a male, i hate to hate, and love to love

i am a BBA student in Germany but come from Strumsko, a humble but magic place in Bulgaria

i will be eager to hear from you ASAP... (Previously unsigned comment made at 19:21 on the 17th September 2005 by User:VladoVoivoda)

In answer to your questions, the FAQ covers them I think. I'll just check...

Yes - with a bit of surfing from that page, we can see that the first one is covered here, the second here and the third here and here. I hope that helps and that you'll stick around.

By the way, if you stick ~~~~ at the end of entries on talk pages, it'll place youre name and trhe current date, for ease of reference. Thank you. --Celestianpower ^hab 20:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

My mistake

My mistake about Pekin duck - I was checking Recent Changes for vandalism and noticed this edit, I took the new link and was here. I honestly thought it was a hoax against Peking duck, I should have checked. My first nomination was "amusing and obvious hoax" but I changed the wording after leaving a message on the main help page about removing the nomination when I realised it wasn't a hoax. I've requested it be speedy kept and won't be so hasty about what I think are dodgy anon edits like that. Alf ^melmac 00:03, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

And since I wrote that admin Friday speedy kept it as requested. Alf ^melmac 00:08, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote (RfA - Trevor MacInnis)

Thank you for your support in my successful RfA. I hope I can live up to expectations. - Trevor MacInnis(Talk | Contribs) 00:15, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you (RfA - Bhadani)

I thank you for your support for my RfA, We shall surely interact more. I am certain that our association shall grow. --Bhadani 10:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks awfully (RfA - Dave souza)

Ta for supporting my recent RfA, much appreciated. I'll endeavour to use these new powers wisely....dave souza 12:26, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I feel warm from that welcome (Miblo)

Oh, now this is ridiculous: you're 15? You're a credit to your generation, good sir. When I was reading that nice welcome from you, I was envisaging a 24-ish year old (not that all 24 year old's are literate and witty, of course) sat at his computer, composing with great care and attention the said welcoming message; but, once again, I was proved to be wrong. And you're a musician, aswell!

Well, thanks for the welcome, and thanks for teaching me about the four-tildes thing. (I'm not risking doing it, in case I end up with my signature there, instead of what I want.) But I was looking at your Profile Page and noticed that you're a fellow Firefox user. I converted (from IE) a few days ago, and I've got a question: At the top-left corner of the Firefox window, instead of the Firefox logo, I just have a... well, it's one of those icons you get when the file extension doesn't have an icon associated with it; it doesn't look too fantastic, and I'm wondering if it's just my bad luck, or if you (and the rest of us) have the same problem. And if you don't (or you did, and you corrected it): how might I go about correcting it? It obviously doesn't stop the program working correctly, but it's just a bit of a niggle, to see that unfriendly icon sitting there. Other than that, I've got a small complaint: the Google Toolbar only works with Firefox if you've got Windows XP, and I'm missing the ability to jump to selected words on a webpage. Also, I could do with a bit more memory, but that's something nobody can do anything about, but myself.

And to a bit of contributing, because I'm sapping enough information and knowledge out of you: I think you might enjoy listening to James H. Reeve's Show on Key 103 (from 22:00-02:00 Sunday through to Thursday). He's pretty hilarious, and extremely intelligent and sensible, and judging by what I've read of your stuff, I think you'll enjoy his show. If you can't pick up Key 103 (FM 103) on your regular radio, you can listen to it through their website. And also, if you feel really mad, you can have a look at my blog.

There we go, shameless plugs over, thanks very much.

from Miblo 21:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Right, well, I don't know what to say. * He blushes profusely *. I think I will just answer your questions:

I have the little Windows flag icon in the top left corner also and have no idea how to change it (although now you've mentioned it, it will bother me just as much). Sorry.

As for the google toolbar, try looking at the Firefox extensions site. That is one major advantage of Firefox: it has many extensions, easily downloadable that enhance web browsing. I search "google toolbar" on this site and got these results: [2]. They are all (more or less) what you want I think. But it surpasses the google toolbar by a long way. There are even Wikipedia tools to enhance wikipedia-ing (if there's such a term). I have installed the Toolbar and the animate changes button (which is very fun to watch if you have nothing better to do and you're obcessed with Wikipedia).

As to the radio show, Is that 10pm - 2am GMT or what? I live in the UK so I need to know when to tune in! It does, however, sound interesting.

Anyway, I hope you have a great time here at Wikipedia and please don't hesitate to contact me here again should you need more help (or just want to chat). --Celestianpower ^hab 21:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh boy, in the time I've taken to write (get around to writing) this, you've probably managed to research everything you want to know about Key 103, discover a cure for the Windows Flag in Mozilla predicament and buy Gabriel García Márquez's One Hundred Years of Solitude, finish reading it, and have enjoyed it thoroughly. Never mind: I'm here now. I downloaded the Googlebar Lite, by-the-way, and it's just the ticket. The reviews on the Mozilla site were saying that the regular Googlebar is pretty bloated, and I'm not a fan of bloatedness, so I went for the 'Lite' version. I'd noticed the Googlebar around the place, but if it wasn't for your persuasion I probably would never have downloaded it. And I had a look at the Wikipedia [Toolbar], but didn't bother downloading it. You see, with this amount of RAM, it's wise not to overload the thing with stuff I don't absolutely need. I mean, I love Wikipedia, etc. but I don't think I do enough editing to warrant getting the toolbar.

Anyway. Cheers for that. Key 103 is based in Manchester, England (their studio is just a few miles down the road from me) so, yeah: tune in for James H. at 22:00 GMT. I'll admit, that is a pretty late starting time for the average person, so you could just listen to the first hour, and if you like it enough, record it. You might think a bit less highly of me (if that's possible) because of this, but I don't have a regular job at the moment (no job at all, to be perfectly honest), so I have leisure to listen to the whole lot, until 2 o'clock, with only my fatigue dictating when/if I stop and settle down to some well-earned sleep. However, I'm planning on teaching people to play the guitar, so when that happens I'll hopefully settle into the life of a teacher, and will never enter into a 'regular job' until I die! And not even then. Because I'm sure teaching isn't a job: it'll be a pleasure to bring knowledge, wisdom and happiness in their art to people. Sorry, I'm starting to treat this place like my blog.

But before I sign off, I'm just wondering (for my own interest) if you can play an instrument, besides your vocal-cords, and if you like Chopin and/or Liszt. And there shouldn't be a question mark there, should there, because I was stating that I was wondering: not actually asking the question? But there should be one there, because I said 'should there' in that sentence. Oh boy, this is ridiculous. Somebody give me a good kick and make sure I land over at www.blog.co.uk.

Miblo 20:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, you'll be sad to know that I haven't actually done any research into either. I figured that I'd wait on your reply. As to the windows icon: I still have no idea. I tried a search on their site but what keywords do you give. Anyway, I resolved that it wasn't worth worrying about really. And no, I've never heard of that book.

I'll give it a quick listen (inbetween homeworks lol!) tonight.

As to instruments, no I don't. I'd quite like the chance to learn piano but I have no space for one in my house and have you seen the prices of lessons? I get all my vocal (and theory) training at my choir. I also, sadly, have not heard of those two musicians but it sounds as if I'd like them if I had. But those articles do needs some copyeditting. Peacock and weasel worrds everywhere!

Good luck with teaching guitar anyway and I hope we'll talk again soon! --Celestianpower ^hab 21:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support (albeit wavering) at my recent RfA. Seriously, the fact that you changed your vote twice shows you put real thought into it, which is the most important thing. I see too much voting in wikipedia that at least has the appearances of having no thought put into it at all. Keep up the good work. -R. fiend 18:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the {{user fox}} template! FireFox^{T C E} 18:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Notification Bot

Sorry about that bot. --AllyUnion (talk) 19:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:poke-creature-cleanup

Template:poke-creature-cleanup has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:poke-creature-cleanup. Thank you. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:21, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Your website

I don't know if you are aware, or if it's just me, but the link you give to your website on your userpage (http://cgi.celestianpower.plus.com/) appears to be faulty. Thanks, FireFox^{T C E} 17:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes - sorry about that. I've put as note next to it to clarify. PlusNet's fault, not mine :) --Celestianpower ^hab 20:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

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Thank you for your support

I would like to thank you for your support of my adminship nomination. --Mb1000 22:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

List of Pokémon characters

I see you spotted my pet project (and tagged it with the cleanup tag). I thought the cleanup tag was more or less redundant with the stub tag, myself.

I wanted to make a comprehensive list. This isn't a merge target (unlike lists like List of Johto Gym Leaders), except in the possible case of minor characters who don't merit more than a sentence (looking at you, Gabby & Ty), but instead a reference for all the articles that we already have or make in the future. I wanted someone who didn't know much about Pokémon to be able to look at this list and say, "Oh, so that's who that is," without having to dive through the lists and in-depth characters articles.

Wanna help me out? I think I might've bitten off more than I can chew. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 08:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - sure. And yes, you have bitten off way more than you can chew. On an almost, but not quite, totally unrelated note, I have started the list at WP:PCP/T of noteworthy attacks. --Celestianpower ^hab 08:34, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Already replied there. And if you could merge the Team Rocket stuff out into Team Rocket, you would be my super-duper bestest best friend forever, or something like that. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 08:38, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Okay, done. What do you think? --Celestianpower ^hab 09:18, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Remind me to give you a barnstar when I'm not scrambled from lack of sleep. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:27, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the sixth 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 13th of September 2005 and the 24th of September 2005. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the warm welcome and the tips on editing and talk pages. I have started my article already. Have a good day! HyperHobbes 15:15, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I hereby award this barnstar to Celestianpower for being a generally, great person and making all new users welcome in Wikipedia. HyperHobbes

My RFA

I want to thank you very much for your vote on my RFA. Greatly apperciated, I owe you one!^{Journalist ^C./ ^{Holla @ me!}}

Stealing

Hey I stole your talk page design. Ok with you? =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - go for it! :) --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Strange...

I've been reading your userpage and I find it interesting to know that you do/like a lot of the stuff that I do too; for example we're both students, both speak Spanish and French, both use Firefox, both hate the Labour Party, both hate Bush and both like maths! I just find this highly amusing! » FireFox^{T C E} 16:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, not so strange I would say but interesting. I'm bound to meet someone with my interests someday but I diodn't think that it would be on Wikipedia!!! By the way, how do you like my new signature? Consider joining WP:ESP... --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:03, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

So how long have you done Spanish for then? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:07, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Yup, your new signature is very nice. I have been doing Spanish for just over 4 years now, I really enjoy speaking it and I'm (apparently) quite good for my age. What about you? I've looked at WP:ESP and I've signed myself up: I'll have a go :) FireFox^{T C E} 17:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

It's easily preferable to French (I dropped it a year back) and I've been told I'm quite good at it too. I've been told I'll walk an A* ... which is nice.

Do you fancy trading spaces? There's a note about it on the WP:ESP page. I think it'd be fun - it's where we redesign totally eachothers userspace, then the person uses that design for a week before reverting back to their original design, if they want. Do you want a go? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:55, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I'm up for it, athough I may have to wait til tommorow to start on yours if that's ok. You can do mine tonight if you want though. Lol, I still do French but I find it much harder and a lot more boring. What year are you in at school? (I've just had to redesign my signature 'cos I've just realised it messes up some of the formatting - grr) Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:07, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Koolio - I'll start yours now then. I'm in year 11, you? What formatting does it mess up exactly? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm also in yr 11. Well I edited html to make the date small and blue, and it's worked for about a week now, but your comment: "It's easily preferable to French..." has turned blue :( ah well, it needed redesigning anyway - now its got a link to WP:ESP :) Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:22, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

So what other subjects are you GCSE-ing? Other than English, Maths, Spanish, French and Science, of course. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:26, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Well it's triple science, and on top of the above I am doing Italian, Music and ICT. I take my maths GCSE in January - help! ¿Y tú? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Estudio la musica, la informática, la cocina, los artes (muy aburrido), el español, las matematicas, las ciencias (double) y el inglés. Tomé las statisticas en Junio y voy a tomar mis exámenes de matematicas en Noviembre. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

En musica, ¿Qué instrumenta te tocas? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

En música, toco el teclado - ¡no puedo tocar algo más! I'm currently in the middle of my maths coursework (E-totals) - ¡es aburridísimo! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:46, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Si no tocas el teclado algo más, ¿Qué sobre sus funcionamientos?

E-totals? Estudio differentiation para mis "coursework". --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - I didn't get the last bit: ¿Qué sobre sus funcionamientos? - I'm a bit rusty lol... Yeah, E totals (aka "Magic E") - its our statistics coursework. I'm going off the computer now, I'll leave a message for you tomorrow after school. Fir e Fox ^{T C} 19:00, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Nah - my fault. Qué sobre tus = what about your. I couldn't think of the word for performances so I just google-translated it. I shouldn't do that really. It makes you incomprehencable.

Okay then, speak again tomorrow and I will unveil my new design for your userpage! Hasta luegos! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 19:05, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Well I do all my perfomances on keyboard (or using Sibelius on the computer). I'm in music at school atm anyway - can't wait to see my new design! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 10:24, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - but if you don't play keyboard anymore, how can you?

Koolio. But how's my one coming along? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 14:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Ah, it seems you misunderstood (probably my fault) When I said "no puedo tocar algo más" I meant "I don't play anything else". Lol I've only just come home from school, I'll get to work on yours right away :) Fir e Fox ^{T C} 16:18, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

No, my fault, I thought it meant, "I don't play it any more"!!!! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough - I should be finished on your page by about 7.00. Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:40, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Right, I have finished your page and it is ready to post :) - Be prepared for the worst... Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Ready to post? 1, 2, 3 ... switch! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Groooooovy lol. You've done a great job! :D Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:07, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

You too! I like it. Just added you to my list of "Wikipedia Users that I hold in high regard"!!! Wait a sec, I'll just dust off a Barnstar for you... :D --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Awww thanks! I was just thinking the same thing about the barnstar - one for you too :P Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Well that was fun :D I've got a physics test tommorow so I'm off to revise. Talk later, Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Spam

My edit was not vandalism, it had a very serious point, take a look at your contributions. You are spamming users with "Come back" messages without even researching your points. While well meaning, it is hardly appreciated. Agriculture 22:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Um, 2 people. And I've seen Ta bu an awful lot and never have I had a bad experience. And personally, I believe that every editor who makes positive contributions should stay. And being positive and friendly is one of the most important things to me. I feel that without that, you have bad will and misunderstanding, both of which are bad for any community, not just Wikipedia. Perhaps I was wrong in trying to spread goodness but I beieve not and very little will make me change that view. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 22:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar & Thanks

Thanks for doing such a good job with redesigning my userpage! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

This barnstar is hereby awarded to Celestianpower for redesigning my userpage in the Trading Spaces scheme. Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for trading spaces with me and being a generally friendly person! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Smart job

Nice work you two. I found the experience not only fun but also de-stressing, hope you did too. Recommend one of you update the WP:ESP page with the results. Alf ^melmac 20:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome! Better late than never! ;) -- Norvy (talk) 21:37, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Just playing!

I was just kidding w/ you. Thanks for my spot back anyhow! Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:01, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA. At this point it doesn't look so good, but that's okay. If I don't achieve sysophood, that's okay. I'll just keep up the good work and maybe try again later. People are allowed their opinions and I respect that. Thanks. --Lord Vold e mort ^{(Dark Mark)} 15:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

¡Hay una problema!

You know the trading spaces thing, well unfortunately IE displays your userpage slightly wrongly at the top - I've tried experimenting but I don't know what the problem is. Maybe you could take a look, presuming you have IE? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - when I logged on at school today, I saw that. Mighy odd. But I don't have IE at home though. Well, not one that I can use anyway. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I noticed it at school too - Wikipedia looks so different in IE its scary! Well I have IE, so I'll see if I can either fix it or slightly modify the page, if that is ok with you? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Go for it! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

All done. I don't know what was wrong but is now at least IE, Firefox and Opera "compatible" :) Why can't you use IE? I thought all Microsoft computers came with one. Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - I have IE, but that doesn't mean to say that it isn't virus-ridden, insecure and slow! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:46, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Lol, I use IE very rarely - only when I need to do something FF can't. ¿Cómo estás y cómo fue el día? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Muy bien ahora pero tuvo las clases más abburido en mi horario. Tuvo dos clases de las matematicas, el arte y la education fisica. Detesto los deportes. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:57, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Tuvo las matemáticas y la educación física también. Tengo la informática y el español mañana por la mañana - son interesantísimo :D Ho finito el "coursework" de las matemáticas - wooooooooooooooooooooop! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:03, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Welcome message

Hello. I was about to give you a welcome message but, having looked at your contributions, I decided against it. However, just leave me a note and it's yours! Sorry for wasting your time! :D --Celestianpower hablamé 20:15, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand. After you viewed my contributions you decided that I was no longer welcome?--OGRastamon 00:54, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Janke below is right. It was a complement. It would be like giving a picturebook to an artist :D --Celestianpower hablamé 15:08, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Psst. I'll let you in on a secret. You may have noticed that one of the articles I've been contributing to is Irony. This is because there is a 99% chance that any words preceding my signature are infused with sardonic wit to the gills. I appreciate your welcome (or not) and your eloquent praise. Please call on me if you require a bent perspective or my C-average English composition skills. P.S. This may be that 1%. --OGRastamon 05:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

¡Hola!

Tengo una pregunta - ¿Qué significa "Wikipedia Namespace Edits"? (and the stuff they talk about on WP:RfA). ¡Hoy, tuve el coursework de el español! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Just correcting your grammar (a great way to make friends): de + el => del.

Wikipedia namespace edits are edits to pages in the Wikipedia namespace. That is, RfA, AfD, CfD, policy discussions and policy pages, WikiProject edits ...etc... Edits to any page that begins with "Wikipedia:" basically. Their significance is that most of the jobs performed by admins involve a high knowledge of policy and these edits (especially AfD) go a way to saying how knowledgable the user is about policy. A lot of votersb will only vote support on someone who they think will use their admin powers "often".

Spanish coursework! You lucky so-and-so. We have to do it all in the exam... --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:34, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Well spotted, although I must say that I started with "de español" then added "el" and forgot to merge :) Why do you have to do it all in the exam??? We get 3 or 4 pieces of spanish c/w this year! Thanks I understand now - Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:38, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea. They must be scared that people just won't bother doing it but in my opinion, that's they're fault - they are the ones who are going to fail! Why do the rest of us have to suffer because of a small minority? Coursework is so much better than exams. And anyway, Marling School is a grammar school: they should have the ethic to do the work in the first place. Does your school have a Wikipedia article?

Yeah it does - Maidstone Grammar School - and it's pretty rubbish compared to yours lol... Maybe I should expand it soon. We are a specialised language college after all :D I agree that c/w is better than exams - you're under less pressure etc... Half of our spanish class muck around so much, our teacher wanted to split us up once, and just teach the good kids lol!!! Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:48, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like my English class. About 5 of us actually want to learn something and pass our GCSEs out of 25. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

English - don't remind me (puts on BORED face)... I can't stand English, it's so boring and it seems like the hour-long classes take for ever! Have you thought about options for A Level or IB yet? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 17:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

IB?

A-level. Yes. I'm going to take RE, Spanish and Maths. Then Music or Computing: I havn't decided yet. You? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:04, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

IB = International Baccalaureate (I can't believe I spelt it right first time!) Yeah I am thinking of taking double Maths, Biology, ICT and Spanish. Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:08, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

5? I wish we were allowed to do 5... Stupid headmaster. I hate him. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:21, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

You can only do 4??? Can't you specially request to do 5 or something? Oh I hate our headmaster too - but there is one teacher that is nicer than all the rest :D hehe... Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:25, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

We can only do 5 if we do 3 in our A2 levels: which is worse in the long run.

If we're boasting about teachers, one teacher, Mr. Green, at our school, came in the top 10 in the country for teaching. He's amazing. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah.. well... Miss Gibson is better than any teacher you can EVER imagine :) This "Mr Green" - what is so special about him??? lol Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh no. You're not are you? Oh no, I suddenly feel unclean, lol. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Not what??? lol She is a very good teacher :P Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:43, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure? Just, the way you italicised "him"... --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Meh - am I sure what??? I italicised "him" 'cos... (it's hard to explain) it's as if I was dismissing him in disgust lol. Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:49, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Just getting the wrong end of the metaphorical stick lol. Never mind. I'm sure she's a great teacher. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah well maybe you were getting the right end of the stick - Are you sure there are no teachers you "like" at your school lol? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 18:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Certainly not Mr. Green lol! No, not really. They're all either old or men or both. Yuck - bad images...! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:57, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

lol very bad images - well she is young and certainly not a man so it's all good lol. You need to get in some more young female teachers! (I hope this isn't a milestone edit - so embarassing lol) I'll talk to you tommorow or something, as I am off to watch The Bill - how sad of me :P Fir e Fox ^{T C} 19:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Is your name "Celestian" or am I just being silly thinking that? (I hope you don't mind me talking to you everyday - I'll stop if you want :D ) Fir e Fox ^{T C} 16:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

That's a ludicrous suggestion. If you really want to know then I'll email you.

It's fine. I like seeing that little orage bar accross the top of my screen!!! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 07:56, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Or we could chat on IRC. See WP:IRC for more details. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 10:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

The thing is, I have no idea whatsoever how to use the IRC thing, and I can't seem to find any help anywhere! :( Fir e Fox ^{T C} 16:39, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

What you do is go to ChatZilla, click the link at the bottom to Mozilla Update and install the extension. Then click the en.wikipedia link on the WP:IRC page and you're there. It's like a chat room. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 16:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Lol yeah, I realised just before you replied :) Fir e Fox ^{T C} 16:50, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

picture of boy eating cotton candy

Sorry...I should have checked the licensing on it. My apologies. Ral 315 W_S 20:50, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Color AfD's

Hi. The mass of colors we voted on before has been undeleted and relisted as individual AfD's. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk 01:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

grettings.

hi. why do people vote "neutral" for adminship requests? dzzno^logic2 20:37, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello Spamlist!

Ah, my first ever spam mass produced and mailed to the spamlist. Well first of all let me re-state that we have an irc channel, #wp-esperanza, and its been rather empty, so I'd appreciate it if you come, even if you just idle about. Now, the evil polls have closed, and I left a justification note for running the evil polls. Nothing has really changed, but at least I have somewhat of a consensus. I hope to figure out a way to overturn my power to JCarriker somehow, I'll figure out a way :-) Meanwhile, I've been busy reforming the mediation system where I am the chairman now, er, acting chairman. Enjoy your spam, with extra vikings. R e dwolf24 (talk) 00:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

1337 award

I award you this Wolf Spider to protect anyone who attacks or questions the Celestianpower. R e dwolf24 (talk) 08:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I was gonna give you a barnstar, but I felt like something more interesting. I appreciate your contributions, no matter where they be in the wiki. Keep truckin'. R e dwolf24 (talk) 08:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! I will make sure to feed him plenty of children to keep him fit and healthy. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 08:25, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Re Humanbot

I haven't used Humanbot for a few months now. In fact Greasemonkey 0.5.3 will not install in FireFox 1.5beta which I am currently using, so I can't check it out for you. There don't appear to be any active projects for it at the moment anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Sorry I'm no more help. I no longer have access to the computer I last used it on. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:55, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Jaxl's RfA

Hi, thanks for your support vote on my RfA! Rob e rt 15:51, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

RoyBoy RfA

Thanks for the support and an appreciation for my at times unconventional humor. Hope to see you around! :"D - Roy Boy ⁸⁰⁰ 22:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the seventh 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 24th of September 2005 and the 14th of October 2005. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Copyvio The_Hatchet_Man

I notice you've copyvio'd this, but the link you provide for where it's copied from quotes the Wikipedia article itself as it's source... P—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.19.128 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 2 October 2005

Sorry - I've removed the notice. It does have all of the trademarks though, bias, no wikification and someone creditted as the author. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 14:20, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you running for RfA again?

Are you thinking of running again for Adminship any time soon? Fir e Fox ^{T C} 15:27, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, in fact. User:Starblind will nominate me on October the 17th (in 15 days time). This is to coincide with the 6 month anniversary of my first edit on Wikipedia. This is because on my last run, many opposed due to lack of time here. Be sure to support when this time arises lol! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I shall write a note in my diary lol (Wait a min... what diary???) - I believe the correct spelling is coincide by the way. Did I not vote in your last one, I thought I did?!? Probably my bad memory! Fir e Fo x 15:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was wrong but couldn't for the life of me remember what was wrong about it.

I don't expect you did, we'd hardly interacted... --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Well I tended to vote in most peoples RfA's though... ah well. Just type words into Google and it should correct them for you :) What is your name then, I'm intrigued. Fir e Fo x 15:43, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I have sent you an email containing my name. Please do not use it publicly, on Wikipedia or otherwise, for security reasons. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:47, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Course I won't - I'm sure Celestian is a name, I might be being dumb though. Are you with Gmail? Fir e Fo x 15:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Celestianpower has 2 uses, 1). Me and 2). An ancient monk dynasty in North Spain. I have no idea about Celestian.

Yes I have - been using it for ages but I have a hotmail account that's publically available so it gets all of the spam and my gmail accounbt is just for friends. That's why I sent it to you via hotmail: my default WikiEmail is hotmail. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Um... I think I recieved it from your Gmail address actually. Lol I have about 10 Gmail accounts. In my main one I've never deleted anything and I'm up to 2420 messages to date! Fir e Fo x 15:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I'm pretty sure I recieved it from your Gmail address. I see you do a lot of work on Pokémon - I used to love that, it got too confusing though, when they went over 150 creatures! I didn't know that Pokémon was still "alive". Fir e Fo x 16:24, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - you did. My mistake. It's still big in Japan, less so in the US and even less so here. I do think that it deserves to still be big everywhere though. <rant>What really bugs me is the predjudice against Pokemon on wikipedia. Pokemon, even though some don't like it, is much more notable (in termas of hits) than a lot of other fiction. Take Mickey Mouse for example. It get half as many hits as Pikachu. See WP:PACFAQ for more information.</rant> There. I feel much better now. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 16:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

How do you mean, "predjudice". And how do you know that Pikachu gets more hits - is there some way that people have been hiding from me?!? (Puts on scowl) Fir e Fo x 16:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh right - you mean google hits - I get it now! Fir e Fo x 16:33, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - wasn't being clear. Also, I got it wrong. Pikachu gets a few hundered thousand hits less but Pokemon (with or with out the e accented) gets double. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 16:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you play a lot? Surely there can't be that many people around who you can play Pokémon with? Fir e Fo x 16:40, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Play what? Video games are one player, TV show is one player (well, yu get the idea) and Card game, well I was never very good. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 16:46, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Well the card game is the only thing I remember - although I had my own weird variation of the game. Not forgetting the TV show of course... I haven't seen it on TV for ages though. Do you watch Doctor Who or Big Brother? Those are the things I'm most interested in. And EastEnders, The Bill, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Hollyoaks, The Simpsons (the list goes on). Fir e Fo x 16:52, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Big Brother? Yes. You must have seen me editting the BB6 page...

Doctor Who? No. Although lots have people have told me to. Perhaps I'll watch next series...

Hollyoaks, Simpsons, Corrie, EastEnders? Yes - I'm a soap addict.

The rest? No. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 16:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Lol yeah, that's probably how I knew you, from BB6. You must watch next series of Doctor who, I tell you!!! I'm a bit annoyed after everything in my room has moved round - now I have to look backwards to see my tele when I'm on the PC :( I have weird dreams - I'd just thought I'd add that :P Fir e Fo x 17:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Rogerd RfA

I wanted to thank you for supporting my RfA. Unfortunately, it did not reach the required level of support and failed. Apparently, some didn't feel that I had participated enough outside the article namespace. I may try again in a few months. Thanks again. --Rogerd 21:40, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Resignation

Hello spam list, look at this. Essjay is the new leader of Esperanza, and I'm interested in seeing how he runs it. I'm busy doing other work... Please comment at that talk page there. I will still probably run the spamlist though. R e dwolf24 (talk) 22:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome / BB 6

Thank you for your kind welcome! And also thanks for taking my BB6 comments on board and removing the more obvious advertising links.

If possible, could you also comment on the corresponding talk page in reply to my initial query on the linkspam? Thanks! Mewcenary 16:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:JETFA

I am starting to feel JETFA was a bad idea. It seems to be causing some deal of animosity around here, so I have made a push to disband it. If you still want to be a part of it, go right ahead, but as a card-carrying Esperanzian, I can no longer, in good faith, be a part of the WikiProject. Please see my feelings further at the JETFA page. See you around. --Lord Vold e mort ^{(Dark Mark)|My RfA} 16:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

¿Cómo se dice "I didn't like him"?

I'm helping my friend with his spanish coursework but I'm not sure about this sentence - is it no lo me gusté or something similar? It's the "lo" part I'm not sure about. Cheers, Fir e Fo x 16:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's "no le gusto". However, I may be wrong! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 16:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

That would be the present though wouldn't it, although I get the main idea. ¡Gracias! Fir e Fo x 16:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - no le gusté - forgot that you said past tense. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested that I finished my spanish coursework - I included preterite, imperfect, perfect, pluperfect, present, future and subjunctive! So tired now! Fir e Fo x 17:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

No conditional. Tssk, tssk. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Well I couldn't find anywhere to put it... I thought of saying por favor mejoráis el hotel, porque me gustaría que vuestros huéspedes sean felices. Instead I said quiero instead of me gustaría 'cause I thought that it might cancel out the subjunctive - and that would be BAD Fir e Fo x 17:16, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I suppose so. Oh well - you can fit it in next time. :) --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

You make it sound like leaving out the conditional is a bad thing - we're not even meant to know let alone use the subjunctive until year 12! Fir e Fo x 17:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

I was joking. I've only been taught the present, imperfect, perfect, preterite and simple future. I have however taught myself the conditional (too darn useful and too easy to learn not to know). --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

You haven't been taught the future? That's unusual. I haven't been taught the pluperfect although it is very easy when you know the imperfect and the perfect. What about present continuous and imperfect continuous? Fir e Fo x 17:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - I forgot that one. Nope - no pluperfect or continuous tenses. What about the past historic? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

What is the past historic? Fir e Fo x 17:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Isn't that the same as the preterite? Fir e Fo x 17:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

No - it's the spanish version of bible english (or at least that's how I understand it). --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... I looked on the web and it says "Preterite (also known as Past Historic)" - what is bible english?!?!? Fir e Fo x 18:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Have you never read the bible (or at least bits of it)? I must be wrong however. Frenchg has a a separate past historic and as I'd heard of the past historic in Spanish, I imagined it would be similar. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Well yes, I have read bits of the bible - but I still don't get it. Fir e Fo x 18:12, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh - I give up. I'm obviously just wrong! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 18:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

No, its probably me as usual - so much for the "20 inactive topic" archive scheme :P Fir e Fo x 18:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Lol - I forgot. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 19:59, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

There. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 20:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Advisory Committee election deadline set

Our new admin general, Essjay, has set the date for the advisory committee elections, that date being October 7th. By UTC it is October 5th right now. So see WP:ESP/E for voting in two days, and add yourself to the list if you're interested in running. On a personal note, I'm considering running, as I only resigned as admin general because of time. I'm sure I could help out on the advisory committee... Anywho, watchlist that page, and be sure to read the voting method too. Regards, R e dwolf24 (talk) 01:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

UKCOTW: Hungerford massacre

Just to let you know, an article you've voted for has became this week's UKCOTW - Hungerford massacre. Come and help out! Cheers -- Joolz 21:47, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

WP:CP

Hi, you've reported copyright infringements to WP:CP in the last week, a new measure was recently passed to allow the speedy deltion of new pages that are cut and paste copyvios. Please follow these instructions if you come across this type of copyvio. Thanks. --nixie 00:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Blatant copyright infringements may now be "speedied"

If an article and all its revisions are unquestionably copied from the website of a commercial content provider and there is no assertion of permission, ownership or fair use and none seems likely, and the article is less than 48 hours old, it may be speedily deleted. See CSD A8 for full conditions.

After notifying the uploading editor by using wording similar to:

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Blank the page and replace the text with

{{db-copyvio|url=url of source}}

to the article in question, leaving the content visible. An administrator will examine the article and decide whether to speedily delete it or not.

Thanks for your support

Thank you very much for your support on my nomination for adminship. Now that I have been made an admin, I will do my best to live up to the truest you and the community have placed in me. If you ever see my doing something you think is incorrect or questionable, or does not live up to the standards that should be expected of an admin, please let me know. DES ^(talk) 15:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: My Userpage

No, course I wouldn't be offended - go for it, as you say! :) I was never good at art :P Fir e Fo x 17:25, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Just wondering, since I left the above message have you been re-designing your userpage??? (By the way, Miss Gibson said I had "the perfect use of the subjunctive" in my coursework so I'm well chuffed!) lol, Fir e Fo x 16:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Been a bit busy but I will be soon!

Well done on your spanish by the way... --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:30, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Well thank you! :P (10 days to go 'til your RfA!) Fir e Fo x 17:41, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

As if I haven't been counting down! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:43, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Counting down by the second, lol? - I'm sure it'll go well! Right, so admins can (un)block users, delete articles, (un)protect pages - anything else? Who changes things like:

Remember that this is only a preview, and has not yet been saved! Please check that the last edit was not vandalism before adding onto it.

as I have noticed that this message only recently changed - is that Beareaucrats (or how ever you spell it) or is that also admins? (P.S. Somehow I have messed up this formatting - sorry!) Fir e Fo x 17:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I hope so (touch wood as teeth chatter loudly)...

I may e wrong but I think only developers (or is it stewards?) Can edit that text.

No messed up formatting, don't worry (not that you were). --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

And to become a developer - you can't do that like RfA's and RfB's can you? It's just certain people (maybe employed?), right? I was also wondering, where it says in the logon screen: However, giving your e-mail address allows other users to send you mail without knowing your address, and enables password reminders to be requested. We won't reveal your address to anyone. - Surely this is a load of rubbish as if I sent you an email you would know my address? Fir e Fo x 17:59, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

No - there are only 2 developers, Jimbo and Tim. About the email adress, yes but you have to send me an email. You aren'6t forced top send the email. You only send an email if youn want the other person to know your email adress. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 20:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I was thinking that... But it doesn't make it 100% clear. Fire Fox^esp 20:56, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I was totally misinformed and told as such by Jimbo himself! OMG! Anyway, you'll find all of the developer information here. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 22:06, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Snicket Wikicity

Thanks for the invite, but what exactly is a "Wikicity"? Pacaman 17:04, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

WikiCities is a sister project of sorts to Wikipedia and uses the same software. It is where users create and manage their own wiki's on particular subjects. See wikicities for more information. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:18, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

So is it really just like all of the ASUE articles on wikipedia cut out and put in one place? Pacaman 17:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

In a way, yes, but it will hope to have much more detailed information (stuff that would be deleted here as "non-notable cruft"). It also, as it grows, will have differing policies to here and different stylistic guidelines. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 17:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Cool, i'm in :D

Robot?

When you put robot: adding espanol in your edit summary - well, I don't really understand what that means. Could you explain for me? Fire Fox^esp 19:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

It meant that I was adding the sapnsih interwiki link to my user page. Although I'm not a robot, that's the edit summary I see all the time.

I perefer your previous signature actually. Please change it back! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 19:59, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Me too, the red and black combination on your old sig looked really nice. →Journalist >>talk<< 20:02, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh ok then, you twisted my arm :P Fire Fox^esp 20:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Umm, I meant the one before that one actually, with the WP:ESP link on the "e" but it's your signature!

And I had no idea that you watchlisted my userpage, Journalist! I must be popular! Yay (has WikiParty). Okay, shut up now, CP. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 20:09, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I watch your userpage! Ah you see the problem with the old one, was that some newbie clicked the link to Esperanza and left a message for me there, instead of on my talk page. I'll change it back in a sec. Fire Fox^esp 20:14, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I know that. You always reply so fast, and I appreciate it! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 20:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I watch the user-pages of everyone on my 'list of high regard' :). →Journalist >>talk<< 20:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah I thought you must know. I think it would be a good idea to have a customiseable orange bar, you know the one that says "you have new messages", like a second watchlist. So it could tell me when you had left a message here or something - or is that too complicated? Changed my sig back now. Or do you want it COMPLETELY reverted? (to Fir e Fo x) Fir e Fox 20:23, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I like the one with the blue "x" but both are perfectly fine.

By the way, why don't you log on the new esperanza IRC channel? Did you download that FireFox extension I meantioned? If so, just click the link on the WP:ESP homepage. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 20:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

FYI, if you're not a robot, you shouldn't use robot in your edit summaries. Andre (talk) 05:50, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Nominated for RfA early

A few notes... 1) accept here: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Celestianpower 2 2) get those who offered to conominate. Its not necessary to wait another week or so... 3) uhhh... I desire a lemon. R e dwolf24 (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:Birthday

Thank you very much for the socks. Er... I hope you're not implying that I am a sock, are you? :) I'm glad to see your up for RFA again. I believe your success is guaranteed this time. Redwolf24 has a pretty good nomination record. Good luck! Ac e tic '^Acid 06:15, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanking our attractive poll workers (as Redwolf24 said)

Tito xd^(?!?) 07:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

<= I didn't know you looked like that! Fir e Fo x 07:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Neither did I. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 08:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Maybe you should take a closer look lol. Your RfA seems to be going well :) Fir e Fo x 08:12, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes - it's all very exciting! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 08:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Well good luck, at the rate it's going at the moment you should be fine. I'm currently annoyed as my Firefox refuses to start (for some unknown reason) so I am using IE. *Hate it* Fir e Fo x 08:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

How awful! I hope it sorts itself out soon or I'll have to banish you! --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 11:01, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I was so desperate do get rid of IE I restored my computer 5 times, which didn't work, so I re-installed Firefox. Later today, I hope to format my computer to get rid of all the junk. Fir e Fo x 11:05, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

You could try dowloading Opera just in the meantime so you don't have to use IE... --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 11:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

I've already got Opera actually, but FF seems to be working now - touch wood. I changed my IRC nickname to FireFoxy 'cos it sounds and looks better :P Fir e Fo x 11:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

You mean like her? => Yes, it's a much better name. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 11:17, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for counting my vote in the Esperanza elections! -- Mamawrites.

Votes, votes

Thanks a lot for your supportive vote on the Esperanza election. Hopefully, I'll fufill my quest to become one of the first advisors. I noticed you're also up for adminship. Good luck on that: if you succeed, I'm sure you'll be a great admin/cabalist! Cheers, Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 02:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that you're doing a great job as an election staff-member. Thanks! Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 02:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Pokémon

Hi. Sorry for my poor english, i'm brazilian. About the Pokémon articles, i can help with little mistakes, or add interwikis, just little things. The_Joker | ^PT 16:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I can subscribe the PCP. Thanks, The_Joker | ^PT 19:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the eighth 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 14th of October 2005 and the 16th of October 2005. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Catalog Numbers

Celestianpower, I've reverted your edits on Fuhai no Koibito, Jiaban de Tianshi, and Happy Past Days. Here in full is my comment on catalog numbers from the talk page of Fuhai no Koibito (the first one I reverted):

"I've put back the catalog number because I find it to be by far the easiest way to search for information about albums whose titles are not in a native Roman script. It's a useful piece of information to have and, being one line, doesn't bloat the article. I have catalog numbers on all my album articles."

I've written probably 17 or 18 album articles, and I always include the catalog number as it's the surest way to get useful results when searching Google. If you have strong reservations about including this piece of information in album articles, I'd be glad to discuss it with you, but I think it's definitely good to have and takes up very little room. If there were a field for it in the albumbox template, that's where I'd stick it, but as things are right above the track list seems to be the best spot. Coach Z Ale 10:28, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I read and mostly agree with your comment on my talk page. I've added a comment to the Template:Album_infobox page here. If the catalog number can be adopted into the infobox, that would be best, but if it doesn't I'll probably incorporate it manually in my articles.

Unless there's a long debate about adopting the field into the infoxbox itself, I'll try to take care of my album articles in a week's time or so. Coach Z Ale 07:26, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

What's been suggested is a release details table which contains the catalog number and which goes under the track list. I've already adopted this on Fuhai no Koibito and Happy Past Days, and I'll be taking care of the older albums today. I'll probably hit the multi-edition and copy-control albums tonight or tomorrow night since I don't have them here with me. Coach Z Ale 10:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Notorious Notations

I deleted it for having little information about a book that will be released next year. It was borderline, maybe should have gone to AFD instead, and I might have sent it there if I weren't plowing through hundreds of CSDs. If he wants to recreate it he can. I won't speedy it, but I might send it to AFD. If you want I'll undelete it, but there was little enough content that it's not terribly worthwhile. -R. fiend 17:22, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I think the main problem was that I didn't put in a stub and I didn't hook in the ASUE template. Had those been in place before he noticed the page, it probably would have stayed. But for now, I think having it in the wikicity is going to be good enough until somebody finds more info about it. Thanks for caring and taking the time to help out a newbie.--JCoug 13:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Casey

Haven't you ever heard of Casey? She got an episode all to herself in Pokémon Chronicles. In fact, there is a picture of her with Misty in that article. Sonic Mew | talk to me 20:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

It's about name origin, though. I don't know how 4Kids chose Ash's name, but it is too much of a coincidence for Casey's name. Sonic Mew | talk to me 20:59, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my RfA!

Thanks for your support of my adminship!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my talk page! Thanks again! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 03:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thrupp's War

Hi, I noticed that you reverted my edit to Thrupp & Brimscombe without comment. Does that mean Thrupp's War is legitimate? Most of the other edits by User:Mirad were demonstrably false, and since I couldn't find any other reference to "Thrupp's War" on google, I assumed it was bogus too. But judging from your user page, you're definitely the expert on the area. :)

By the way, may I respectfully remind you that Wikipedia:Administrators says "Do not use one-click rollback on edits that are not simple vandalism; please use manual rollback with an appropriate edit summary.". Thanks. -- Wmahan . 19:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Advisory Committee

Here's a cookie for being an amazing (and attractive) poll worker! Just make sure you run a few miles on the Treadmill, or you won't be so attractive for the next election. ^_^

Ah, my good friend CP! Thank you for both your vote of confidence and your congratulatory message on my talk page!

Also, I must express my gratitude for your work assisting the Election Polls. Have this. :P Ac e tic '^Acid 20:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote of confidence in the Esperanza elections. I look forward to helping Esperanza and Wikipedia progress. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 21:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Hello there, I just wanted to thank you for your vote of confidence. Even though I didn't make, it's not the end of the world and I really appreciate the trust you have given to me. Thanks again and I wish you all the best... Gryffindor 21:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, Celestianpower, thanks for your vote in Esperanza's Advisory Committee Elections. While I didn't get enough votes to be part of it, I know that the four who are can do the job much better than I could have. But I don't take your show of trust in me lightly, I really appreciate it, and tell me whenever you think I can be useful for something. Now, I see that you're soon going to become an admin, so I congratulate you already! Tito xd^(?!?) 23:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi

No problem, I'm quite flattered just by the inclusion on your user page. Hope your RfA continues to go well though - it ends today? 59/0/0 - impressive! Intended to post this before you posted on my talk page, but endless interruptions this end. Alf ^melmac 12:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I've just created Edward Naylor, so yes you can help by expanding the music list! Alf ^melmac 20:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you on becoming an admin! - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 23:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Spam

Hello Esperanzians! A few announcements.

The Advisory Committee election results are in. In tranch A are Acetic Acid and Flcelloguy. In tranch B are Ryan Norton and Bratsche.

My other annoouncement is that our founder, JCarriker, has founded Esperanza's sister project, Wikipediology. I have written two essays here (my name is Matt Binder). My essays are under Teenage Wikipedians and Anon Editors.

On behalf of myself and Jay Carriker and the other wikipediologists, I would appreciate it if you were to join.

Cheers Esperanza! R e dwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 23:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 23:41, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on the adminship. Dlyons493 Talk 23:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, Celestianpower! Rob e rt 03:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats of course :) Also, you voted at my bureaucratic nom when it was a subpage, but I had to wipe those votes. My bureaucratic nomination is up right now, so you'll have to re-vote. R e dwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 03:40, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Well done. Fir e Fo x 12:39, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations Celestianpower, stonking result. Alf ^melmac 12:42, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations from the land of ice and snow. CambridgeBayWeather 12:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations from the land of heat and sweat. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations fellow Esperanzian. Glad to vote for you. IRC? Man, I wish it would work, if it did, I would be over there right now! Ban e s 13:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations and all the best. --Bhadani 13:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations. Not bad for half a years work. --Daniel Lawrence 15:35, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats!

Yeah, that was a pretty good showing of support - I'm happy for you too! :-) I'm sure you'll be a fine admin. --HappyCamper 13:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations and a hint from another admin

Congratulations on becoming an admin! I am pleased to see you have wasted no time in trying out your new ability to delete things, however as an admin I have found it useful to include a link to the afd debate relating to the article in the edit summary when I delete it. That way if there's a question about the deletion afterwards (say, on votes for undeletion the related discussion is far easier to locate. Best of luck with it all, anyway! -- Francs 2000 13:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

You haven't done anything wrong - not all admins do it. It's just something I have found useful personally. -- Francs 2000

14:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats, Celestianpower!

I'm glad to see that you passed RfA! I see that you have already put your adminpowers™ to good use. You actually beat me to block that one Undergarments vandal today. I have taken the liberty to adding a Scarlet Letter to your name at the Esperanza member list. Cheers, Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 14:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

I am pleased to hear you made it to adm. congratulations! I am sure you will do a most outstanding job... with kind regards :-) Gryffindor 16:42, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congra CP!!! Don't forget the portals ;) I hope that being an admin would help in setting up rules and policies for a very interesting part of WP. -- Cheers Svest 16:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up

Hi - just piling on my bandwagon congrats. Of course, it's only a mop - but enjoy! ;-) BD2412 ^talk 17:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

FELICITATIONS! :o Ac e tic '^Acid 20:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. Enjoy the massive surge of administrative power that courses through your veins. I look forward to seeing you at the stub-sorting again, too! Grutness...wha? 23:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Even though it was a little late (I was away for most of the weekend, and I will be up until Thursday), Congrats on becoming an admin. I know that it was only a matter of time. Well deserved. I know that you will do a very good job. Oran e (t) (c) (@) 01:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Manchester

Hi. You asked us to let you know when we reached agreement on the Manchester/City of Manchester issue. I think this has now been resolved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:City_of_Manchester

Jolly well done!

Even though adminship is supposedly "no big deal", congrats are of course in order! I stumbled across the Snicket Wiki the other day and registered as a user. Haven't gotten round to exploring it much yet (and have a shedload of work booked in for the coming week as well as a certain new book to read, so not sure how much chance I'll get...) but will do so soon.

Well done once again! CLW 19:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA

Congratulations, and you're quite welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 20:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

An old discussion

I was archiving my discussion page, and I noticed we never really did finish our (admittedly somewhat contentious) discussion over Fuchsia City and merging the Pokémon cities. Did you want to reply, or did you consider the matter dropped? I'd like to have your input; I'm still somewhat undecided, myself. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 22:29, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

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manchester

why on earth did you protect the results of a unilateral copypaste move?!

copypaste moves should be reverted on sight before they leave a history merege to be done. then if there is consensus to do the move (which was NEVER established in this case) then the move should be re-done properly after the mess from the copypaste move is deleted. Plugwash 23:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Please discuss this in our discussion on the issue in the Discussion page for the City of Manchester article. A consensus appears to being formed that three articles are needed, with City of Manchester for the Local Authority, Greater Manchester for the metropolitan county and Manchester for the central urban area. EarlyBird 23:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, you might want to see WP:AN about this. Tito xd^(?!?) 05:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

admin help

Listen - if you are unsure about something or need help you can always ask me :). Also, User:SlimVirgin and User:Fvw are good to ask too :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 05:50, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Manchester situation

Well, to be honest, when I first looked at it it looked out of process, but when I looked closer (and cleaned up the cutnpaste move) I found out it was definately a closer case then I realized. Its still a pretty close case though as generally we only protect in an actual move/edit/vandalism war, or I suppose in rare cases when an admin is trying to clean up a move, not just one or two bad moves. It can be tempting to page lock in situations like that, but often its best to hold back. Speaking of which I would have only protected against moving and just reverted the redirects and block for 3RR if it comes to that.

As for cut n paste moves, see Wikipedia:How_to_fix_cut_and_paste_moves - it seems involved and its really more tedious then anything else. For example, if someone cut n pasted from Manchester to City of Manchester (as happened here) what you'd do is:

Delete both City of Manchester and its talk page
Move Manchester (along with its talk page, which is checked by default) to City of Manchester
Go to the history of both - you'll see "X deleted edits" - click on that... somewhere you'll see a "restore" button - click that for both City of Manchester and its talk page - this does a "history move" of sorts
Refresh the history and now revert back to the last version from the City version on both the article and its talk page

(anyway, read the above wikipedia link and it'll tell you about it :))

Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 10:36, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Woow. Slow down there :) - there's no need to blame yourself for anything :\ - just take a short break. I already cleaned up everything at the manchester pages, so don't worry about it :). Take a deep breath and try to relax :). Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 10:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, considering the only one protected right now is City of Manchester out of the three and that there have been hardly any edits in addition to actual discussion I just unprotected the thing. So go ahead and take it easy :). Take care now! Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 11:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Can somebody please tell me what constitutes a consensus? We have quite a few people in the City of Manchester discussion who seem to be in agreement about the restructuring, yet there appear to be three people who refuse to accept the concept. How long do discussions continue before change is accepted and how many people does it take to kibosh the whole thing? EarlyBird 15:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Consensus is a highly debatable subject. 100% is consensus. As for a level below that, 80% is for RfA, 70% is on AfD. If a consensus looks unreachable then you'll have to go with a simple majority but that is obviously not preferable. Try running a straw poll to try and find the consensus. See also Wikipedia:Consensus. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Well since Ryan unlocked the article it seems like the people who were opposing the change have stopped contributing to the discussion. Personally I think unlocking the article was a mistake until this is sorted. Could what we have now not be considered a consensus of sorts? After all, the majority of people who have contributed to the discussion agreed with the change and this system has also been suggested for Leeds (albeit for different reasons) in another discussion on UK districts. EarlyBird 18:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

At the time you wrote this, I'd stoppped contributing for about six hours, having told you on the page that I'd be busy for the rest of the day. There isn't a consensus in favour, and I expect at least part of the reason other people have stopped contributing is that it's getting boring. If you want to start a third page, fine, but there's no consensus that Manchester or Greater Manchester should be moved. You can take it to Wikipedia:Requested page moves if you want, otherwise I think the admins will just revert it. It's also worth pointing out that many of those in favour have very few edits on pages other than Talk:City of Manchester, which is likely to count against it. There are a lot of things I'd rather be doing on Wikipedia, so unless an admin supports another page move, I'll probably stay out of this discussion now, as I don't think it's going anywhere. CTOAGN 13:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

The discussion may not have reached a conclusion, but those proposing a Manchester = city of Manchester have not come up with a logical consistent method of describing cities, I'm with EB on this, I think we have got as far as we will on this discussion and three atricles will be required - unless someone comes up with a better idea.

Manchester Kurt 15:06, 18 October (UTC)

Celestian, I know you're an admin, but is there any chance of you stating your opinion on the situation? You are a valued Wikipedian and I think your viewpoint would be respected. EarlyBird 21:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a specific preference really. Both arguments have merits and I'd prefer to stay neutral. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 09:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hermione1980's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA; I really appreciate it! I will do my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. Thanks, H e rmione1980 23:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thankyou for your welcome to Wikipedia. I am sure I will enjoy the experience, and hope to become a valuable contributor to the site.Mr ed 16:59, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Support Thanks

Thanks for the support, I most likely won't get to be an admin from what I've seen (even though its the first day). I guess people just don't think I'm good enough, I guess I'm not, well I hope it passes, but if it doesn't what can I say? Atleast I tried. Privat e Butcher 18:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Cats

I'm much relieved by User:Army1987's addition of Category:User vocals, was starting think that I might have to do that myself, phew. Alf ^melmac 12:38, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I Want You (Madonna song)

How, exactly, did you gleen a "keep" consensus when all of the keep votes where made by trolls who always do this sort of gang-up type of thing, and the article itself is not only filled with POV, but isn't even notable enough for its own article? --FuriousFreddy 15:38, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll take another look but they don't look like trolls to me. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

POV is not a deletion criteria. The keepers seemed to have plenty of edit history. I would have said that redirect was the best option persoannly. Perhaps I shopuld have said "no consensus - defaulting to keep" or something. Merging doesn't require a vote on AfD either. --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 15:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

The "keep"ers have a history of ganging up to protect such articles, without good judgement or acceptable reasons for their being kept. I say "trolls" because they bend rules and policies in order to satisfy their desires, without taking into consideratio nthe encycopedia as a whole. They've used this tactic to save obviously mergable (and reducable) articles on the characters from the film Glitter, seperate articles for covers of Christmas songs by pop singers, and such. If the merge were done, it would be very quickly reverted, as would any attempts to clean the articles up. Coverage of popular music is unfortunately overrun with obvious fancruft, and nothing is being done about it. If everyone else is to blissfully ignore the problem, I guess I should follow suit. --FuriousFreddy 18:14, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry - I can't do much else but obey the consensus, no matter how much I would like to sometimes. You're perfectly welcome to change it into a redirect and if anyone violates 3RR then come and see me. Sorry that I can't be much more help. Try putting it up on WP:AN? --Cel e stianpower ^hablamé 19:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

my RfA

Thanks for the support!Voice of All ^{@|Esperanza|E M} 21:47, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppet?

Hi,

You blocked User:CowMoo for being a sockpuppet. A User:CatMeow was created a little while ago which looks a bit suspicious.... chowells 17:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

User:CatMeow has just nominated itself for admin by the way! Fir e Fo x 17:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't make them a sock. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 17:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

CBW RfA

Just a quick word of thanks for your vote. If you have any concerns over my actions please let me know. CambridgeBayWeather 00:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for banning 216.120.184.163. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User:216.120.184.163

I think that they may also be using 216.120.184.162. I suggest you join the IRC room for the cvu. wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode.net --☺Adam1213☺ Talk +|WWW 14:37, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

my sig

Thanx! I updated the sig, but with "</sup></Sup></font>" at the end, so the date was normal sized text. That ought to put a load off the server :).Voice of All ^{@|Esperanza|E M} 17:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

As requested:

Stick this in:

/**** Add links to the nav bar ****/

function addNavBarLinks()
{
    var navbar = document.getElementById('p-navigation').getElementsByTagName('ul')[0];
    var afdtime = new Date();
    var months = ['January', 'February', 'March', 'April', 'May', 'June',
        'July', 'August', 'September', 'October', 'November', 'December'];
    afdtime.setUTCDate(afdtime.getUTCDate() - 5);
    addlilink(navbar, '/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/' + afdtime.getUTCFullYear()
        + '_' + months[afdtime.getUTCMonth()] + '_' + afdtime.getUTCDate(), '5-day old AfD', '');
}

Then stick a call to addNavBarLinks(); in your load function. Alphax ^τεχ 10:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

You'll need to modify it to fit your particular addlilink function(s)... and I have absolutely no idea where your main onLoad function is. Alphax ^τεχ 23:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

monobook.js

How easy do you think it would be to change the text displayed in my tabs at the top of the page? Fir e Fo x 13:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Unblocks

I have no problem with you doing so, as long as you reblock afterwards to maintain the two-month interval. Sorry that you have to go through the hassle, but the vandal in question is persistent and has definitely earned the block. DS 14:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, you know who it is? Could you break his fingers, then? Or stick a fork in his eye? Or maybe you could surreptitiously leave a lingerie catalogue in his room. That will undoubtedly occupy his two-volt brain for the rest of the year. DS 14:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

- "Don't want to be expelled". Bah. You're so... so... law-abiding. Humbug! Humbug, I say! DS 14:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Tito xd^(?!?) 17:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Indo-Pak war of 1971

Sorry didn't know you were going to delete it. Took me too long to find the correct place to redirect to. CambridgeBayWeather 08:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

63.235.80.159

I noticed that you changed the genocide bombers to redirect to genocide. Take a look at the other edits by this user. They seem to me to be POV. What do you think? Ethnic cleansing, Abu Abbas, Palestinian, Deir Yassin, Deir Yassin massacre and Israeli Terrorism against the United States. CambridgeBayWeather 09:04, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't going to block. I just wanted to check that they were POV and then revert them. CambridgeBayWeather 09:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Carl Gustav Carus

Very many thanks for your help. I needed the Carus page for my Timeline of Entomology. Would you be very kind and take a look at this too. Notafly in rainy Ireland.

monobook.js

Well, the monobook you uploaded started working after I closed and reopened Safari, but it started crashing Safari whenever I'd use my watchpage, so I had to delete it. :/ - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 19:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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Josephine Anwhistle

Thanks for clarifying Ike's death. I figured he was probably eaten by leeches, but I thought I should check - I can't just start making up the plot from what I've inferred.

One thing I'm still not clear about - Josephine evidently has all sorts of nasty things happen to her in the film (at least, I presume they happen to her - (the article says she fears them happening to "you", oddly enough... who, me?). These things happen only in the film, according to your comments, and not in the books (this sounds like an entertaining scene, by the way, and a little elaboration might not go amiss). Are her fears even mentioned in the books, or only in the film? This might be a minor point, but the books, specifically, are mentioned in the intro, and now it's a little confusing as to where the article's talking about the film and where it's talking about the books. The film needs to be treated as a seperate entity, especially where it differs from the literature.

I'm also a bit puzzled as to why she would have a couple of lifejackets floating around. TheMadBaron 22:58, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Sir

When you have a moment, could you add a note to Sir? The article doesn't really explain his significance.... I gather from the guardians box thingummy that he was a guardian to the Baldywotsit orphans - so I'm wondering how he came to be lumbered with the role, and what became of him - whether he murdered by the evil Count Olaf, or whatever.

I might have to actually read this stuff one day (it sounds quite entertaining) - but then I couldn't be so objective as to these articles' clarity, of course.... TheMadBaron 23:16, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Boolean algebra edits

You are starting to experience what I have. The PhDs will soon start to call you ignorant (in nice terms) and say that you have no business editing their article. They may also suggest that you go study all the concepts they consider pre-requisites for understanding the opening sentence as they had written it. Of course, understanding those concepts, and their pre-reqs, etc., would require that you yourself get a PhD in mathematics, at which time they may allow you to edit their article, LOL. StuRat 17:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, Charles Matthews is among the nicest of the PhDs (he is also the top expert the other PhD's refer to). Other lesser PhDs would likely treat your edits more like vandalism. StuRat 18:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for your support! If you should ever have any concerns about my actions as an administrator, please be sure to tell me! Kirill Lokshin 13:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Signing or no signing...

Thanks for your support on my RfA! I'll do my best to wield the mop with honor and righteousness. --Dave 14:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Firefox extension

Would you happen to know how to make a firefox extension using Javascript? It would be very simple and used to fight vandalism. The basic idea is to feed RC diff's into firefox, and let it determine which pages contain text (such as an obscenity) listed in a file. For pages that don't contain anything on this list, the tab is closed. The others remain open and ready to be examined. If you can't figure out how to hookup the IRC RC output into firefox, then it could be used with WP:CDVF to open new tabs in firefox to be checked. I found a guide to making extensions, but it says you need to know Javascript. Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-30 03:51

Phase shifting

I've got some issues with Phase shifting - it seems to me that the article was discussing two entirely different subjects. I've removed all references to the audio effect (related to the treatment of waves) which was already covered extensively at Phasing - this leaves an article about a compositional technique which I'm aware of, but have never heard referred to as "Phase shifting", which is an expression often used to refer to the audio effect.... I think a redirect might be in order. Your thoughts? TheMadBaron 07:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure, it's a good article (well, it is now). And it's probably important. I'm just not sure about the name.... So, you studied this technique at school.... and it was referred to as "phase shifting?" Really? Only, I think most people would use that to refer to the audio effect (or related science), and I can't help feeling that the compositional technique should be known by another name.... I'd be happy to be proven wrong.... TheMadBaron 19:37, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

How about now?

Changed my sig a bit, per your comment - BD2412 T 15:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Still, I've managed to knock about 20 characters off my sig. :-D BD2412 T 15:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Believe me, that I know - I heard about it when I was using this monstrosity - BD2412 ^thimk | act - for my sig. BD2412 T 15:45, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Signature

I've tried, but I can't display the colors outside of a signature without a template, nor can I get the subst: function to work. I guess this green will have to do for now. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 22:56, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 23:08, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I've tried to put all the code in the signature blank, and while it works, it takes up quite a few lines in the edit box. :/ --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 11:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Here and there, but there's not much that fazes me. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 11:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Wiki Trading Spaces

Absolutely! Feel free to go nuts on my page. The only things I'd ask you to keep are my Babel and my picture, and include the {{userpage}} template if possible. And if you could maybe fit my barnstar in? (It's currently sitting on my talk) Thanks a ton for the offer, I really appreciate it =) ♠P M C♠ 02:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

To Celestianpower for doing my userpage over out of sheer niceness.

Oh my god, it's awesome! I love it to pieces. Thanks so much! =D It's so clean and spiffy. Whee! ♠P M C♠ 23:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Ah, an Englishman grovelling on the ground to an American. As things should be! ;) Overall over 4090 edits, 89%. First 500, 46%. Last 500, a fantastic 99.6%. So you English lot can be educated! Impressive! ;) --Durin 13:42, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

"3 months"

In your nomination statement for Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/FireFox, you say that you hope people will look past the "3 months". Is that supposed to mean that 3 months is too little time on Wikipedia to be ready for adminship? Heck, I've been wanting to nominate User:GraemeL and User:JoanneB for adminship for almost a month now, but neither of them has been here for 3 months yet. And recently I've found another two possible admin candidates, User:Ilmari Karonen and User:Just zis Guy, you know?. — JIP | Talk 17:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Request for comment and help

Hi there. Because of your abilities in CSS and respect around the 'pedia I was wondering if you could take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Color Tabs and Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Main Page and comment on them. The tabs is in in very early stages and I'm sure a lot of bugs/personal differences will arise and I'm hoping to get some good coders behind it it to get something done. The Main page redesign is very close to a vote but the are a few users who are very vocally opposed to change. I'd appreciate your opinion. Thanks for your time. - Trevor MacInnis (Talk | Contribs) 17:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for keeping an eye out for my RfA and updating the count. It seems to be going well. Sorry about yesterday, my school IP was blocked so I couldn't do anything :( Speak to you later, Fir e Fo x (RFA) 11:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey,

Thank you for letting me know a little bit about wikipedia. Now i need to make a few friends if you would be one that would be great. I wos also woundering how i can talk to other users.

your friend C1 shawn 17:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)shawn

Hey,

Do u want to talk to me for a little bit?

64.18.36.7 18:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)shawn

Where to start

I hope you're fine and that the sign saying you're in is correct...don't know where to start with this user's contributions... maybe you'd like to take a look? Alf ^melmac 20:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome template

Apparently when I copied the pop-up tools from your monobook.js the other day I did not realize that your welcome template actually has a link to your username. (Well, it is actually non-obvious since it only links the template). Anyway, I don't know whether the intended functionality of the tools is to include your welcome template or not, but I do want to apologize for the bit of confusion here. I'll change the reference to your template in my .js. Cheers. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 22:58, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Moe Epsilon

I am leaving because of the frustration I feel towards some editors. I feel there is nothing left for me to do. Feel free to add this to the comment I stated on the Esperanza talk page. — Moe ε 22:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Compromise proposal on Template:Suicide

I have a possible solution to the dispute on Template talk:Suicide#Compromise proposal. When you have time, take a look at it and note your possible assent or not in the appropriate section. Thanks! — Phil Welch 22:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Real Big Prawn Speedy delete

Hi, I noticed you closed the AfD for Real Big Prawn. I didn't see the page before it was deleted so I don't know what the content was. However, I was wondering if you were aware that there is a thing that exists called the Big Prawn, in Ballina NSW. It is possible that this is what the original article was trying to refer to. Scroll down this page for a picture: [3] It is also red-linked on the WP article on Big Banana (for some reason, Australians have a penchant for building cheesy oversized 'things'. It could be a hangover from the days of megafauna, I dunno). Anyway, just thought I'd let you know. Even if this was what they were talking about, it was still at the wrong page - should be Big Prawn I'm guessing.) cheers. pfctdayelise 23:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm new here.

I'm new to this whole format. Be nice to have a Admin. as a guide. Had a keypad error here.Martial Law 06:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC) :)

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My RfA

Success!!! Thanks for your support! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 08:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

No problem. Sorry for not understanding your statement. --Sn0wflake 21:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I have a problem with...

It appears you successfully nominated A Man In Black for adminship. I have a problem with that because I have a rough history-read "Stop Trying to remove it"-with him that leads me to think that that he should be de-admined. I just don't like him is what I am pointing out, can you please talk to me when you get the chance? CoolKatt number 99999 06:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

(In response to comment on my own talk page) There's more to it than that, we go a long way back. CoolKatt number 99999 11:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Im back

Hello again Celestianpower, its me Moe Epsilon. I just wanted to let you know that I came back to Wikipedia after my 4 day absense from editing. Thanks for your kind words a few days ago. Thanks also for pursuading me to come back. — Moe ε 20:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Athalite AfD

You recently closed out the Athalite/2 AfD and when I looked at [[4]] I noticed that both AfD archive links link to the same page (the 10/21 archive). Probably the link in the second box needs to be fixed? TIA FRS 15:11, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank-you for expressing your confidence in me at my recent Request for Adminship. The final result was 40/0/0, and my "superpowers" have now been activated. I look forward to helping out with the development of the encyclopedia. Physchim62 (talk · contribs)

Hi

Hi Celestian, I'm intrested in welcoming new users, and I've seen the welcome templates, but I want to use a less generic welcome. So I was wondering if you could show me a more personal welcome template. It would be very much appreciated. Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 04:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for showing me your welcome message, but I am sad to say I am ignorant on User scripts, and I am not quite sure what I am looking for in order to customise, and to have that little tab be inserted automatically. If you could explain in a little more depth what I am looking for, I would of course be very obliged. P.S. I leave jokes to users who help me, your of course more than welcome to delete it if you don't want it on your talk page. Trust me my feelings wouldn't be hurt lol.....One of the workers at the brewery falls in a huge vat of beer and drowns. At the funeral, his wife is crying, "Oh, Ben, Ben, Ben, you never had a chance." His foreman says, "What do you mean, "Never had a chance? He got out twice to piss!"

Sorry forgot to sign KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 18:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I've added it to your monobook, hope you don't mind. Create your custom welcome message here. By the way, I ike the joke. If only all users were that nice... --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 18:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Journalist has explained this to me too, and I have just one more question for you. Is here just a sub page where my welcome template can be found, or the template itself? Again thanks for all the help I really do appreciate it. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk. 23:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you very much for supporting my rather contentious request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to do a little dance here *DANCES*. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future, and thanks once again! ALKIVAR™ 07:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Why deleting Global Resource Bank article, it was a good one!!

Hope that you can put it back soon.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.183.18.2 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 8 November 2005

I deleted it due to an AfD. Community consensus was to delete so I did. None of my personal judgement was involved at all - except counting votes. See the discussion here --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 18:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

RFA

Hi Celestianpower. Please try and refrain from commenting on people's votes if they happen to differ from your own. It's not particularly conductive to a friendly atmosphere. Regards, Proto t c 15:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, so how can I put for Undelete? And can it be good rules to delete a 3 year article after one week and a few people vote? Somethings wrong here... Ok the good news you got a devoted Wikipedian now I just started and I will be around... its even better then I thought this Wiki I have just been using it as user so far but with good experience....

Definition of Boolean algebra

Hi Celestianpower,

Sorry to be digging up old stuff and dragging your name into it; not meant as a personal thing. As to your specific query: Yes, algebraic structures are mathematical objects, and yes, the ordinary sort of truth value is something that can be either true or false, and yes, Boolean algebras are mathematical objects involving generalized truth values. But they aren't themselves generalized truth values, they're structured collections of them, and the sense in which the truth values are generalized is that they no longer have to be true or false.

"Mathematical object" is very nonspecific; it's like "thing". An engine is a thing, and a spark plug is a thing, but that doesn't make an engine a spark plug. Hope things are a little clearer now, and again I apologize for what may have looked like hostility. --Trovatore 16:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fir e Fo x RFA

Celestianpower/Full archive

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks!

Fir e Fo x 18:08, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

I just wanted to leave you a short note thanking you for helping make my RfA successful. See you around Wikipedia. — Phil Welch 22:12, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite ^(talk) 04:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Very much for your kind support of my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to your and my other supporters' expectations. If you have any comments or concerns on my actions as an administrator, please let me know. Thank you! — MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 14:42, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You area enviromentalist and deleted Global Resource Bank????

Sorry man, talking is not walking. You pissed of a lot of people by deleting a totally good article. But the good thing is that you triggered me to start wiki and you will see me around be sure of that! By the way I am almost sure that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hawken wrote the article in 2003 and I was working in UN-HQ in 2000 http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm for GRB and the whole idea comes from a Scientific report in 1974 written by Dr Arthur Shaw http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1970_July_August/The_Plowboy_Interview ANd its all true and good information that you destroyed.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.235.107 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 12 November 2005

As I said before, it had very little to do with me. See the AfD discussion. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 09:02, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Psy guy's RfA

Thanks for supporting my RfA. It recently closed with final tally of 51/1/2. I sincerely appreciate it and I hope I can live up to your expectations. I will try my best to be a good administrator. If you ever need anything, just let me know. Thanks! -- Psy guy ^(talk) 05:40, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Responded to you

Thanks for your comments! :) I've responded to you. --Durin 15:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Eli Soriano

Hi,

Please define vandalism. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.78.248.57 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 12 November 2005

Please see Wikipedia:Vandalism. Thank you. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 18:12, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I thought so. I was making bold edits then and not vandalism, I wondered why I got a message from you.

Can you tell me which part was vandalism, and which part was POV?

The part of him not being elected because he was gay was presented in a radio program. The radio program read a letter from Mr Perez, then the elder of the church were Mr Soriano belongs stating exactly that "he was elected because he was gay". Although Mr Soriano has not admitted to being gay, he has not objected to being called one. He also said in one of his sermons that there is nothing wrong with being gay, and he would'nt mind belonging to the "tribe" as he called it. No, I don't intend to log in at this time.

Wikiwoohoo's RfA

Thank you very much for taking the time to vote on my RfA and in support of me as well! Well done too for being first to vote also, I should create a gold medal for you! :) Thanks again.Wikiwoohoo 22:08, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Would you ever consider nominating me as an administrator in the not too distant future?Wikiwoohoo 16:40, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

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Cleared as Filed's RFA

Nice signature! Here's 100 angry comments on your talk page. ;) Tito xd^(?!?) 22:23, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Second that :) Renata3 13:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for your message. I'm back, although probably won't be editing as much as before. the wub "?!" 00:10, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I think you should keep that signature. ;-) the wub "?!" 00:11, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Jtkiefer's RFB

Celestianpower/Full archive

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (17/17/4) meaning that it failed, if you have any advice on how I can be a better editor or administrator please don't hesitate to leave a message on my talk page. Thanks again for your support. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 20:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Marmot

I've blocked MARMOT for two weeks, at his request on IRC. Apparently he had written a new and improved vandalbot and was sorely tempted to set in into operation. --Maru (talk) Contribs 20:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you (and clarification)

Thank you very much for your gracious support of my admin self-nomination. I just wanted to note, since my username is misleading that I am male (though I don't mind in the slightest being referred to as 'she'). I wouldn't even mention it, except you know how these things go... let things like that go on too long and you're impersonating. :) Thanks again! Demi ^T/_C 18:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipediology

I'd like to ask those fellows who have not indicated whether or not they grant permission for a wikibio on them to please do so soon. I'd also appreciate it everyone could expand or create the wikibios for which permission has been granted. The wikibio project simply won't be useful unless fellows actively participate; so I'd like to issue a challenge that each fellow contribute at least one sentence to two wikibios. I'll be on wikibreak for the next week and when I get back there will be prizes in store for the fellows who have the three highest edit counts on wikibios. Thanks. -JCarriker 22:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank You Celestian Power

Thank you for your kind words on ym talk page. I am most grateful. Well, I'm back, and happy to be back on wikipedia. So, thanks again for taking the time. I noticed you made an offer of a possible co-nom with Mongo. I must decline I'm afraid, as I believe I lack the experience needed for an admin. I also think there are many better editors than me out there waiting to be nominated, but thats not my reason. I would rather have a clear rfa than a close one obviously. However, I would be honoured if you and Mongo would nominate me at the beginning of January when I've been here a little longer. Thanks again. Ban e s 10:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Question from Deuxhero

How is explaiing hidden values (that are importent), fads related to an area, and placeing real char names a "Test"? Deuxhero 22:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Wikipedia a better place. --Nlu 03:50, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Aaarrgg

The only people I want to annoy are the vandal and trolls, I feel quite guilty now for having said no! I'm sticking to my promise of letting you know first, but your joint nom with Jaranda for FireFox got a stonking 96/2/0, so I'd be over the moon if the pair of you would kindly do the same for me in January? Alf ^melmac 11:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'm de-qualmed at your reply : )

IRC, yes - tried to anyway. I read the destructions, I use trillian, so thought 'ok give it a go', tried to do what it said and got nowhere, had a few more tries using instinct, no show - so gave up, maybe I need an ~~idiot~~alien-proof guide to setting it up... Alf ^melmac 12:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Yup I use firefox (see User:Wiki alf/Babel) - just installed ChatZilla (blimey it was quick), going to close browser and see, thanks. Alf ^melmac 12:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Great, it seems to be working - but a dumb question - when I tried to private message you, I am told to register my nickname, duh, how do I do that? Alf ^melmac 13:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

re: Welcome

Sure, my pleasure. By the by, did you get a message that said that I had edited the page, or did you just happen to look into the history? Maybe the page is on your watchlist? Just curious. Blackcap (talk) 21:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Happy Birthday and Many Happy returns!!

File:Esperanza.Birthday.gif

Happy Birthday!! (A bear ate the other ten candles)

Wishing all the best on your 16th, have a great time. Alf ^melmac

**Happy Birthday!!**
--FireFox ™ 10:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

**Happy Birthday** pgk^(talk) 12:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Many happy returns to you! Ban e s 17:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

2nded. R e dwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 22:30, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Celestianpower,

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, Joann e B 13:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA

Hi Celestianpower,

I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL ^(talk) 14:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA

Want to thank you for your support. I will do my best to ensure I never let you down. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Thanks again!--MONGO 03:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Sig

Ok, its done. I dont know why I never did it in the first place, thanks for pointing it out. Ban e s 06:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Another wiki link

I was just surfing around and found choral public domain library which might be useful, though it doesn't look very well populated yet. I'm at work at present - no IRC/firefox, only IE6 :( Alf ^melmac 11:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. As I wrote, I was looking forward to feedback from the community, and I would like to let you know that you should please feel free to leave any further feedback for me you may have for me in the future at my Talk page. Thanks again. Jkelly 08:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

Thank you for the strong support you showed on my RFA! I'm running out of nice things to say to everyone who supported me, but it truly is an honour! Hiding talk 09:31, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks for your support

Hi, Celestianpower. I just want to thank you very much for supporting my RfA, and to say also that I hope I'll make a good job of it. I'm supposed to be working on an assignment at the moment, and had delayed thanking people, but I'm finding the new rollback button so easy to use that I'm just keeping Wikipedia open on my browser while working on other things, and I thought I'd like to thank at least a few of my supporters while I'm here. Cheers. AnnH ^(talk) 19:41, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

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Zombies In The Snow

I think Zombies In The Snow should be moved to Zombies in the Snow - what do you think? TheMadBaron 07:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary (Phase shifting)

Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy editing. Hyacinth 10:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: spelling-y type things

Gah! I coold have sworen I ran a speell chack on it. Thanks. --GraemeL ^(talk) 16:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Some feedback

Since it says at the top of this page you "value all feedback"; alright then you useless scumbag! :) Just kidding. Thanks for your compliment towards me on Gurubrahma's upcoming RfA. It meant a lot, given recent events. --Durin 18:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

More feedback

I was doing some housekeeping at the HD and found the recent portal related edits a bit "confusing"/disturbing. I was just going to rv and noted some hostility towards towards your rv and thought it best to back off and check with you first. --hydnjo talk 02:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Your stress thingum

Just wanted to know that I share your anger for the departure of many fine and valuable editors. And the Firefox extensions thing is getting on my nerves too, but that's why I'm still using 1.0.7 :-D. I hope this coffee helps to cheer you up a bit.

File:Esperanza.Coffee.gif

Perfectly percolated coffee, Esperanza's own blend.

Cheers, -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 12:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Keyboard V

Hi, Celestianpower. Just wondering, do you have a clearer image of Image:Keyboard V.jpg. Don't worry if you don't, I can always take one myself (I have got a V button: VVV). Thelb ⁴ 19:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Afraid of Banstick...

Hello, bit of a n00b here, i have recently been adding some lore from a new online game to the wiki. Dark and Light has quite a bit or lore and it is rather well thought out and seems to draw on other lore, so i though it was valid that it be added here, however as you can see from that link that Agnar(DnL) has been deleted... I am quite sure that i did add a citation at the bottom of the page, but i was NOT contacted if it was not there... I would like to recreate it, but am afraid of someone waving the banstick at me if i do... Fosnez 00:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA for TheParanoidOne

Hello Celestianpower. Thanks for the vote of confidence in my RFA. I have now officially received the badge, so I shall try my best to be a good administrator. Thanks again. --TheParanoidOne 19:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikistress

User:Jenmoa/stress --User:Jenmoa 03:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

little help

a User:Lani12 took issue with a revert I made on Kes (Star Trek) to an older version which seemed to comply more with the Manual of Style. and subsequently valdalized my userpage [5]. Im fairly new at this, and dont really know what to do. Picked your name from the WP:LA after I noticed you accepted requests for help. Anyway, could you help a newb out? -AKMask 13:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

THANK YOU

Thank you for that 31 hour block of that vandal. Another admin just wanted to wanr AGAIN with ANOTHER test4. I'm glad to see that there are some admins out there who believe in fighting vandalism. You have my respect!Gator (talk) 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

It was Izehar. He warned him again, THEN listed him and then removed him saying that he hadn't vandalised since warned....I don't get that. Thanks again.Gator (talk) 19:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Jesus

Check out the Jesus article and edit it to keep it focused on Jesus and a biographical account of Him. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thank you. Scifiintel 21:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I finally replied...

... to your question on my talk page. Lupin|talk|popups 03:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm an admin now!!

Hi, I've become an admin, thanks to Durin's nomination and support from voters like you. The final tally was 50-0-0. I will do my best to uphold the integrity of Wikipedia. Thanks again, especially for voting even before I formally accepted the nom. --Gurubrahma 11:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Here we go again!

205.189.150.1 has repeatedly vandalised adn was given a supposed "final" wanring on 11/29 and is at it again. But a certain admin believes that ANOTHER warning needs to be given (like they forgot from the last time that cvandalism is wrong) and won't block. I hope that you will handle this in a similar manner as last time or tell me where I am going wrong here. Thanks.Gator (talk) 16:38, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

BD2412's RFA

Thank you, Celestianpower, for your support in my RfA - you weren't late at all (in fact, you beat 104 other voters). I'll do my best as an admin to make the reality of Wikipedia rise to the level of the dream. BD2412 T 02:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC) ^{<--note new "admin gold" sig :-D}

Thank you

Thank you for your prompt welcome note, as I step into the editing realm of Wikipedia. I've been using this site for months, and now want to be on the other end, contributing to the site. Decided to start off on the Wikiproject:Punctuation. Please do forgive me for any mistakes on my part, and I wish to be always part of this wonderful community. Humourmonster 19:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Early RFA thanks

Hi Celestianpower/Full archive,

Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. It has done very well and is currently at 67/0/2. As such, I am posting this in advance of its closure. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know. Thank you once again! – NSLE _(T+C+CVU) 00:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

My failed RFA :)

Dear Celestianpower,

I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. Even though it failed with a with the final tally of 55/22/6, I want to thank you anyways. I don't want to be one a admin anymore until I reach 10,000 edits now that it's over with. Thanks --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 03:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

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Check this example of fighting vandalism

So he says he learned his lesson and is sorry, but threatens to do it again if the block isn't removed and...the admin removes the block.....wow.[6]Gator (talk) 18:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikistress

Hi Celestianpower. I was passing by and saw your Wikistress is still high at the moment. So I've brung you some posies to help cheer you up, de-stress you and to let you know that your hard work here at Wikipedia is valued!

➨ ❝R E DVERS❞ 11:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Darn you Redvers, you beat me to him, lol! Here ya go C.P. I hope this hepls in lowering your wikistress! Cheers! — Moe ε 00:12, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Many thanks for your support during my RfA – following a 30/0/0 vote I’ve now been made an admin. Should help simplify this when dealing with Snicket vandals. Do have a Jaffa Cake! Cheers, CLW 13:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey thanks!

Thanks for the b-day message! Crikey, I was beginning to wonder if I should put "its my birthday" into my signature:)! Thanks for remembering. All the best Ban e s 18:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi

I would just like to point out that in "Hablame" you're not supposed to put an accent over the e. --Revolución (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The Person of Indeterminate Gender

Shouldn't The Person of Indeterminate Gender be listed on the ASUE template thingummy? I'd edit, but I thought there might be a reason why not. TheMadBaron 20:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Moe Epsilon

Hey there Celestianpower! I noticed you added me to your "people I hold in high regards". Thanks, that made me feel tons better. I am just going to take a wikibreak for a while. Not indefinantly like I just posted. Dont get to worked up about Rock09, ok? — Moe ε 22:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi just a question :-D

Hi Celestianpower, I'm just curious as to why you moved ahead of my votes at the Esperanza/December 2005 elections? I don't mind in the least, I'm just wondering if it was an accident or if there was an other reason for it. Cheers. KnowledgeOf Self | talk 12:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh its not a problem in the very least. I just have not seen anything of the sort before. :-D Just a Curious George question is all. KnowledgeOf Self | talk 12:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Mcfly85

Hi there CP, it's Moe. I was wondering, is it against Wikipedia policy to have what I have written on my user page about Mcfly85. If it is, I'll remove it. Mcfly85 says it is but I would rather hear it from someone like you. Also, Mcfly85 wont leave me alone. I kindly asked him to just leave me alone and he keep on leaving messages on my talk page and leaving bad messages elsewhere around Wikipedia. Thanks! — Moe ε 16:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I do feel better. :-) Im doing ok but it doesnt look like Im going to have a position though. Lol, your in the lead in both elections. Hope you win, maybe I should vote though. — Moe ε 17:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I voted for you! Now if only I could vote for myself! — Moe ε 17:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh Celestianpower....

Hey, looky at what I and Banes found.

You may want to look at the history of Frank Beard. And, less interestingly, the history of Wayne Newton.

Now, how could Mcfly85 and Rock09 have such similar editing habits. Frank Beard, a article with such little edits and Mcfly85 and Rock09 edit them simultaneously. Mcfly85 said he has never created a sockpuppet before but yet the vandal that accuses me of so many things, Rock09, edits the same articles Mcfly85 does. It's the perfect cover for Mcfly85. Should I propose a CheckUser? — Moe ε 18:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

So is it alright if I spam the message to them? — Moe ε 18:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, this made feel alright, now I dont have to go on wikibreak. We basically caught him. Thanks for all your help. — Moe ε 19:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza

Hello, fellow Esperanzians! This is just a friendly reminder that elections for Administrator General and two advisory council positions have just begun. Voting will last until Friday, December 30, so make sure you exercise your right to vote! Also, I'm pleased to announce the creation of the Esperanza mailing list. I urge all members to join; see Wikipedia:Esperanza/Contact for more information. All you need to do is email me and I will activate your account. This will be a great way to relax, stay in touch, and hear important announcements. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?)

This message was delivered to all Esperanza members by our acting messenger, Redvers. If you do not wish to receive further messages, please list yourself at WP:ESP/S. Thanks.

My Re-RFA

CP, I have been renominated! Strange sequence of events. First Mcfly85 has been caught by the CheckUser and now this. — Moe ε 20:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Its safe to assume that Mcfly85's vote to oppose is an invalid vote, right? — Moe ε 21:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I dont mind. I reverted my own edits. Im sure no one would count an edit by a creater of 28 sockpuppets, with no explaination next to the vote anyways, Cheers, and thanks for voting. — Moe ε 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the talk note

Thanks for the talk note. I see your a member of Esperanza, I posted a question on its talk page and have yet to recieve a response. Perhaps they haven't realised that I posted it, anyways do you think you can answer it. -4micah 22:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

RfAr against Mcfly85

I'm on the verge of filing a WP:RfAr against Mcfly85, and out of abundance of caution, I'm notifying you about it. You are free to make any comments as you wish. However, the RfAr isn't against you -- I'm trying to get a quick ArbCom ruling if I can. --Nlu (talk) 04:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/2), so I'm now an administrator! Travesty? TRAVESTY! Um... um... man, it's so hard to think now! :( Mo0[talk] 06:41, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

RFA

Thank you for supporting my recent bid for adminship, which passed 64-2. But why did everybody think I already was one? — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 07:20, Dec. 17, 2005

Re: WP:ESP

I am. What I meant to say was that of the three seats (well, two, technically) up for re-election, no incumbents were running. The three winners will be joining myself on the advisory council, along with the winner of the Admin Gen race to form Esperanza's new leadership. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 17:44, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll be contacting each participant in the next weeks or so to prepare for part two. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandal Tags

Hi again, I was wondering, for the sockpuppets of Mcfly85, can I place tags on thier user page like the Willy on Wheels sockpuppets. — Moe ε 18:45, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Moe Epsilon RFA

I want you to see the comment under the "comments" section I left at My RFA. It partially involves you. — Moe ε 22:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Fir e Fox 20:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

"Oh no, not again" comes to mind... --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 20:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Snicket project

Thanks for the note about the ASUE WikiProject; I was aware of it from your previous posts to talk pages. My main interest in ASUE, though, is just in keeping Wikipedia encyclopedic - though I've become interested in the story from reading the articles here, I think I should limit my ASUE reading to Wikipedia for now - it helps me keep a fresh perspective on where context is required to make sense of the articles. Besides which, my hands are a bit full at the moment. Thanks anyway. :) TheMadBaron 00:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

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My RFA

As you already know:

Thank you!

I thank for your support on my recent RFA. Although I did not make admin, I'm very happy you decided to support me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. — Moe ε 04:32, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page!

Fir e Fox 15:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

re:Category:Wikipedians by D&D Alignment

I noticed you are categorized as a Wikipedian by alignment. If you are in to userboxes, there are now infoboxes available using a standard template. See the alignment category page for details. xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 18:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Where I am

Hi there Celestianpower. I might not be as active as I am right now on Wikipedia. See, I'm now going to participate in the Professional Wrestling WikiCity. (Population: Me) The creater of the project made 6 edits, and quit in April of this year. The project is basically deserted. I'm basically starting from scratch compared to the load of wrestling info here on Wikipedia. I think Angela, a developer here on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken, is going to give me adminship on the WikiCity so I can better patrol the area. Well, if you leave me a message on my talk page and I don't instantly respond, you know were I'll be. Cheers! — Moe ε 06:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

PS. Hope your computer gets repaired! I know my share of computer problems. I had to get a modem replaced twice this year. Probably because I visted Wikipedia to much, lol. — Moe ε 06:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy Crimbo!

Have a Proper and Merry Crimbo. File:Pressie.gif, in fact here is a pressie from the Doctor to you. Ho. Ho. Ho! File:Unclecrimbo.gif Dr. McCrimbo 23:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

File:CandyCane.JPG

A candy cane for you!

Hi, Celestianpower! I hope you have an enjoyable and relaxing winter break. :) Take care, Sango 123 (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Resignation

I wanted to pop in to let you know that I am resigning from the position of Everybody's Favorite Wikipedian. Thus, that title falls to the second-in-command, who is, of course, you. ;) Happy Holidays! Acetic Acid 04:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, you're better looking. And that equals popularity in today's world. ;) Acetic Acid 22:07, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!

I saw you several times while going round to wish. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --Bhadani 16:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Merry Crimbo, CP! Fir e Fox 16:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Anglician

Hi,
There is now an userbox, that you can use, to say that you are an Anglician. The userbox is located at {{user religion|anglican}} .

This message was sent to all members of the Category:Anglican Wikipedians, by Brian New Zealand.

Cheers Brian | (Talk) 23:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

A Seried of Unfortunate Events

After much pratting about I have applied a cold remedy to the ogg file and successfully uploaded it :) --Alf ^melmac 22:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Oi Vey

This talk page could do with another archive... Search 4 Lancer 22:50, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah - my own personaly Archival service (FireFox) works fast... --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 22:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Howcheng's RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. I was successfully promoted with a final tally of 74/0/0. I will endeavour not to let you down. Thanks again. howch e ng {chat} 06:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Pokémon

Why did you semi protect that page? I don't see massive vandalism and you gave no reason. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 21:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll keep it semi protected for a bit. In general, though, it has to be more prevelant than a few vandal edits a day in order for it to be semi protected. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 22:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperenza Elections

What do you think about making an archive of all past governing officials of out little organization? Wikizach 23:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks from Deathphoenix

Hi Celestianpower,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me in my RfA. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by all the support I've gotten. I never saw myself as more than an occasional Wiki-hobbyist.

My wife sends her curses, as Wikipedia will likely suck up more of my time. She jokingly (I think) said she was tempted to log on to Wikipedia just to vote Oppose and let everyone know that she didn't want her husband to be an admin.

I'll make sure your trust in me is founded. --D e ath phoenix 14:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

BASIC

Hey, been noticing your name pop up in my watchlist in several places - I see you're a BASIC programmer, good to know theres some on Wikipedia. I program in BASIC too, have you made any functional programs? — Wackymacs 15:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I use REALbasic on Mac OS X, I programmed DigiTools (and I wrote that article ;), but I think its notable). I suppose your programs are Windows only? — Wackymacs 15:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You should get into REALbasic, the IDE is for Windows as well and it compiles for Mac, Windows and Linux. It's a good tool, for the most part. — Wackymacs 15:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

It's OK. Someone else once requested me for adminship (a long time ago) and I got really pissed off when people started objecting over stupid things like taggging image licenses wrong and not using edit summaries enough. I withdrew it and now I proudly announce on my user page(in a userbox) that I don't want to be an admin! :D — Wackymacs 18:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yay! Another BASIC programmer! :) My favorite is QBasic, though... Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Administative Power

Congradulations on winning the Esperenxaza election for Administrator General! By just two (2) votes you beat Titoxd.~!

But there is something that you must now do, two users, Karmafist and Merovingian are tied for third place in the Advisory Committee (Council) elections. According to the Bylaws charter, by direction of you, a special election would be held within one week from today.

Wikizach 01:17, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello Celestianpower - please see the mailing list; Wikizach closed the voting early on accident. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 02:10, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Not on IRC?

Hey, Celestian, I need to be able to ask you what you mean by stuff, to be able to copyedit the article properly. E. g., why do you spell anime "animé"? Bishonen | talk 13:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hello, I wish you and your family a prosperous and happy New Year 2006! We shall surely remain actively involved in the Project Wikipedia. --Bhadani 17:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Admin General

Congrats, Celestianpower! :D Best wishes, Sango 123 (talk) 21:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations --Alf ^melmac 18:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations And there's your orangey bar again... Fir e Fox 18:17, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations and here is a big green wish for that.--Dakota ~ ε 21:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

CONGRATULATIONS. Here's a nice small black text to wish you congrats! -Mys e kurity^{(have you seen this?)} 00:48, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, oh new and glorious leader! the wub "?!" 00:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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Congrats!

[[:Image:Weird Al Yankovic - Polka Party!.jpg|thumb|left|➨ ❝R E DVERS❞ congratulates Celestianpower on becoming the new head of Esperanza!]]

Re: Advisory Council

I am available:

Saturday (31th December 2005) from 11am to about 5-6pm (UTC)
Sunday (1st January 2006) from 11am to about 10pm (UTC)

Fir e Fox 21:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

First off, congratulations... but I think I had already left you a message about that. ;). As for an IRC meeting... well, I don't know. Saturday (tomorrow), I might be able to do it, as long as it is before 22:00 UTC, and Sunday, I had already planed some things with my family, so there's some conflicts there. I'll try to be there tomorrow "early", though. Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 21:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that, but I wasn't able to attend the meeting (I'm just getting online right now). Was there a meeting? If so, what was agreed upon? If not, when is it going to be? Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza election

Thank you for your support in the Esperanza Election. I was unsuccessful in the end of the election but I would like to thank you for having confidence in me to be a future admin general/ advisory council member. — Moe ε 23:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections

Thanks for voting for me in the Esperanza elections. I've been appointed to the Advisory Committee, thanks to your show of confidence in me. I'll do my best to make you proud, but please feel free to ask me for help at any time or to give me tips as to what you would like to do. Thanks for being an active member of Esperanza! I'll see you around, boss. Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections

Celestianpower

Thanks for voting for me at the Esperanza Elections.

I've made my way into the Advisory Committee, so if you ever need any help or have any queries about the stuff we do, please do not hesitate to ask me. Thanks again, Fir e Fox 11:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and I look forward to working with you! Sorry for the long response - I was off drafting a letter which I've posted to the mailing list and talk page. I'll reply to you via email. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 16:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Add this Congrats to the list! -- Szvest 16:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up}

Happy New Year

May you have a great New Year. I particularly want to thank you for your help, humour and advice over the last one. Cheers and here's to many more. --Alf ^melmac 23:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Userboxes

I noticed you restored a couple of the deleted userboxes. Any help in this area is greatly appreciated. The userbox deletions were all a blatant violation of Wikipedia deletion policy and need to be overturned until such time as the proper TFD process is followed. Firebug 01:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Martin's RfC

Hi there Celestianpower,

Thank you for endorsing our RfC and getting entangled in this potentially very thorny issue. As you are the Admin General of Wikipedia's Be Nice advocacy group, your presence would be of great help to us. I just hope we haven't bitten off more than we can chew. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 01:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

I just wanted to thank you for introducing me (through your user page) to "User GWB"! I do wonder why the category says "dislike", but the box "hate"... I want to HATE him every day, in every way (he's the only person I claim to HATE presently, so I like to get all my mileage! :) Best wishes, Xoloz 17:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

You may also appreciate my political motto, which is, "Bushes are for pruning and watering, never for leading or following!" Xoloz 17:10, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Admending the E Charter.

I heard that some Esperenza people want to admend some rules in the charter. What exactly do they want to amend and when?

!Thank You! Wikizach 17:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for the welcome Celestianpower! That was a really short charter to read. :)--a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 18:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Stroud

Hi Celestianpower, I was reading up on Marling school and saw the pictures taken by you, I was wondering if you had any more photos? And if you have any more knowledge on the Marling school please let me know..Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennis nowornever (talk • contribs) 01:30, 2 January 2006 --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 10:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Hlj

I've noticed you nominate all of potential administrators and I believe Hlj is a good candidate. He's done a lot of work on Civil War related articles and American history in general. He's got three barnstars and has started numerous biographical and battle articles. Please consider nominating him. Thanks, KI 05:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Advisory Council Stuff

Hey Celestian, i've finished the experimental structure for making a reformed version of NPA through the ideas of Esperanza as a whole, I was wondering what you thought about my process for it, as well as the idea overall. karmafist 08:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Esperanza welcome

Heh, you could at least try to avoid putting the header down twice :P NSL E _(T+C+CVU) 11:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Forgot </div> on welcome bulletin

Hi Celestianpower, just wanted to let you know that you forgot the </div> tag at the end of the Esperanza welcome bulletin on my talk page. :-) Otherwise, thanks and see you around. --BenjaminTsai ^Talk 13:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Woops

One of my friends who likes Wikipedia was at my house. He wanted to sign me up for esperanza and I didn't really know what it was though. He sort of explained it to me and put me on list people wanting to be members. Now that I have actually looked at the Esperanza page I see that I don't really have time to do any of that kind of stuff. I like Wikipedia and everything but I can't go putting stuff up on people's talk pages all the time and telling them to relax. Do I need to delete my name from the page of current members or does it really matter? schyler 00:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

ACK!

The job is cursed! -- Essjay · Talk 21:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

deletion

Dear Celestianpower:

I would like to know the reasons for which you have erased the entrance "Salvador Minguijon Pérez." It didn't have any commercial objective and it had been created by Mark Nowotarski (one of the best experts in patent in the financial sector) as an intent of convincing the financial entities that should be more innovative and more dynamic and that the patents are a tool to protect their efforts.

Thank you.

[email protected] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.33.235.45 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 5 January 2006

Because of this. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 13:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming people to Esperanza...

I've welcomed a couple of people to Esperanza in the past few days, but I've done it by copying-and-pasting your template (see the foot of User talk:Loopy for an example). Is there an easier way that I'm missing in my cluelessness? Maybe a {{subst:espwelcome}}-type-thing we could be using? For some sad reason I enjoy welcoming new users and new Esperanzians (possibly because I had to go on Clueless Newbies and ask to be welcomed when I first started at the 'pedia!) and this would make it slightly easier. Cheers muchly, my friend! :) ➨ ❝R E DVERS❞ 21:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Thought it would be something obvious I'd missed! Many thanks as usual for your time and help! :) ➨ ❝R E DVERS❞ 22:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

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Celestian power, muchas gracias!

Celestian, thanks for your support in my RfA! It is much appreciated! I will do my best to be a good admin, and if there is anything I can do for you, please do ask! Incidentally, here's something we have in common: though as a child I was a sports fanatic, I have grown to DETEST SPORT! So there you go. See you around, and again, thanky thanky! Babajobu 21:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: WP:MIND

Yes, sorry, I've been pretty busy the past two or three days. Going to do it now. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I've posted the rules; please see WP:MIND. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

- You've earned it. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 13:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :D --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 13:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup

Hello Celestianpower, thank you for your support in the Esperanza election. Let me know if I can do anything for you in return. with kind regards Gryffindor 16:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Many thanks for nominating me for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alf ^melmac 08:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Pgk's RFA

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (80/3/0), so I am now an administrator. I was flattered by the level of support and the comments, so I'm under real pressure not to disappoint, thus if you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as an admin then please leave me a note --pgk^(talk) 10:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey Boss

When's the advisory council meeting again? Also, we have a few people lining up for admin training, it's time to spam our membership's talk page before the line gets too backed up and we lose credibility in that. karmafist 22:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we only have two unassigned editors, everyone else is covered. I feel real iffy about assigning more than one editor to a single coach, but if you think that it is a good idea, tell me. That said, we could always use more volunteers, which would do away with that problem entirely... Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 07:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Congrats

Just came back from a Christmas/New Years vacation, so didnt see the election results. I see you've become head honcho of the club! :-) Congrats! The Minist e r of War ^(Peace) 19:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Name Origins

My apologies - I thought it was long enough to deserve its own heading. Won't happen again. NP Chilla (talk)

CNN blanking problems

Hi Celestianpower. I would appreciate it if you would look over the last 36 hours' worth of history on the CNN page. I think there may be a new 3RR violation there, by the same person you had to put a short block on just a few days ago for the same reason. Thanks, --Aaron 20:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The reverts are continuing, with the user apparently purposefully spacing his reverts out just enough to skirt the 24-hour rule, thus I can't report him on the WP:AN3 page. If you have time, I'd really appreciate a look at the page. --Aaron 20:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused; I see at least three reverts by him in just the last 36 hours. Maybe I don't understand what counts as a revert; is it not still a revert even if he replaces one set of content with his own (highly POV) content instead of merely blanking? --Aaron 20:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Here are some recent reverts / 180-degree POV rewrites of his, all of which occurred after his 24-hour block expired. I think they show bad faith, particularly given the comments this user has made on the Talk:CNN and Talk:Fox News Channel pages. Also note he has blanked the comments I and you put on his user talk page regarding his first 3RR. Not against the rules, but certainly discouraged and more evidence of bad faith, IMHO:

I believe the first five examples I listed above constitute a clear second 3RR violation on his part (it all took place in a span of 18 hours), but I've listed everything just so you know the entire series of events. Thanks again for your time looking into this. --Aaron 21:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help in this matter. Sorry to take up your time. --Aaron 23:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for the redesign, but KnowledgeOfSelf had already beaten you to it by about two months... :P. I changed it back because all of my user space now uses that same format, and I couldn't figure out a way to adjust the design of all the pages. But thanks, anyways! Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Wikiquote

Hi there CP. I was just going over some edits and I found that the Wikiquote and other sister projects templates are not placed in a certain area. {ex. the Adam Copeland page has it listed on the top of the article and Mark Calaway article has it listed at the bottom). I wanted to propose that it be listed at the top (see: Adam Copeland for the way I wanted it to be done). But where would I make such a proposal for that template. I'm not sure how many people would agree with me on this but I think that the templates for sister projects should be listed at the top. — Moe ε 04:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me on my successful RfA! It passed with a final tally of 40/9/1. If there's anything I can do to help, just ask! Sceptr e ^(Talk)

UK Internet for Learning Vandalism

I see you have unblocked the 62.171.194.0/26 range. I understand that you edit from this IP range and while you need to be accomodated, something needs to be done to stop the vandalism from this range. It is out of control. Every IP has dozens of warnings on their talk page, and dozens of blocks in the logs. Have you seen the discussion at WP:ANI#Inexhaustible vandalism from the UK Internet for Learning: range block warranted.3F? User:Zoe has emailed [email protected] (which is listed on the IP WHOIS) and received no response. I'd be very grateful if you could participate in this discussion and help figure out what can be done. I have spent hours searching for and reverting vandalism for every day this range has gone unblocked this week. I have also caught many subtle bad faith edits that would likely have gone unnoticed had someone not been researching the contributions from those IPs for vandalism. The history of the IPs certainly seems to warrant an extended block. There are 8 hours until school is in session again. Could you help? Thanks. -- Renesis13 00:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Polling the 31/36 hour block...

...here. BD2412 T 02:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Amibidhrohi blocking

I suggest you reconsider the blocking of User:Amibidhrohi over the CNN edit war. By Wikipedia:Blocking policy, I do not think that blocking for reasons of 'major POV slant' without arbitration or community consensus to be appropiate, or indeed allowed by guidelines. Clearly, by reading the appropiate talkpage, the user in question is guilty of incivility and possibly POV pushing - but so it seems have other users.

It seems to me that the correct action to resolve the dispute permanently is not to do as you did and give the appearance that one side can 'win' by appealling to a higher power, but by submitting the matter to some sort of mediation, third view etc and wringing out a broader consensus than 3 flame warriors can achieve. At the very least, you should have allowed the user to answer back for himself and explain his position. As a measure of good faith, I would recommend that you remove the Block asap and write up a RFC entry.--Fangz 04:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree. He looked for an uninvolved admin on IRC, explained the situation more calmly, and I do think that the other side is guilty of POV pushing also. However, that isn't a blockable offense, at least not with the current policy. I won't unblock myself, but I hope you look more into this. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 04:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- "He looked for an uninvolved admin on IRC..." Interesting. That's exactly how all this started, when I went onto IRC to ask for an uninvolved admin to look at the CNN situation; Celestianpower agreed to do so, and the result was Amibidhrohi's first 3RR block. I stand by my evidence as posted above; he has given numerous indications of acting in bad faith in his actions on CNN and Fox News Channel (which include instances not merely of adding information supporting his own POV but completely blanking what was already there in order to turn the section into the mirror image of what it had been), his statements on Talk:CNN and Talk:Fox News Channel, and both his statements and actions on his own talk page (check the history on that page; don't just read it as it currently stands). I am in no way against any changes to the "Allegations of bias" sections of either of those two pages, so long as everyone involved works towards consensus (I have left edits of his intact when I felt they legitimately added to the bias section). If Amibidhrohi will be willing to work with us to create bias sections on those pages that present both sides of the argument, instead of blanking and replacing entire article sections with his own rewrites, there will be no further problems. --Aaron 05:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- My two cents: Titoxd said "I do think that the other side is guilty of POV pushing also." since I have had the most heated discussions with Amib on the talk page, I am guessing this could be referring to me. if so, i would like you to point out what i said that could be construed as "POV pushing". without cutting and pasting and making this talkpage insanely long, anyone can read Amib's comments on the cnn talk-page and in particular the foxnews talk page (ie: UK perspectives December 22nd) and see he is pushing his agenda. he repeatedly wiped out the entire controversies section for CNN because he didn't like what it said. after he got banned, he has stopped that practice, but he is still deleting most of the controversies section on a regular basis. his official "reason" for deleting the cnn section was because things weren't cited properly, after everything was cited properly, he still continued eliminating everything. This was after saying on the fox news page that as long as something could be cited it belonged. he is employing different standards on different pages because, as he has made clear, he despises fox news. off subject a little, but i think alot of the problem could be solved if a uniform standard was agreed upon for both the Fox News and the CNN controversies section. Amib is not willing to do this. i personally don't think that just because something can be cited that it belongs on wiki(as there are partisan websites devoted to attacking each news site). imo both sides deserve a concise controversies section with maybe a half dozen or so of the strongest gripes that people may have. the cnn site, as it currently exists, is a good example of how this can be achieved. fox news, obviously, has gone well beyond this. even though this is my opinion, i have never gone about unilaterally enforcing my opinion through editing like Amib has repeatedly done. anyways, i'm rambling, but this is my POV FWIW. RonMexico 14:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Howdie...My justifications for deleting that mess on the CNN page is detailed on the CNN talk page. POV is a secondary concern when the information added constitutes original research and their sources do not support the text being posted on the entry. I've kept everything that is backed by a reasonably cited source on the page.

Until I began editing the entry, the heading sentence that precedes the allegations (under bullets) read:

"CNN has come under criticism by conservatives for alleged liberal bias. Critics have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories, and have jokingly referred to CNN as the "Clinton News Network," the "Communist News Network," or "Clearly Not Neutral". Conservatives point to the following as evidence of the alleged bias:"

This opening sentence had been reverted to by both Ronmexico and Aaron despite its highly POV meaning. If you can't see the POV in that, well...

The bullet points uder it use various sites of sources, all but one fail to imply that CNN was actually baised.

I removed that opening sentence because of its POV nature and those bulleted points under it that were constructed from the Original research of the WP editors who added them. How is my removing them amounting to POV? When one of the claims from that list were finally backed by a source that actually made the allegation posted on the WP entry, the Lou Dobbs paragraph, I kept it, along with the opening line.

I added one other allegation that amounted to criticism levied by the another side (not necessarily liberal), that being that critics claim the media, including CNN, dealt with the Bush administrative with 'kid gloves' (quoting the article cited) after the 9-11 tragedy, and particularly in dealing with pre-war intelligence. In the paragraph I added, I didn't even make a claim that this amounted to bias of any kind, but rather intimidation of CNN. How is that POV?

I'd like to phrase my understanding in a nicer tone, but since accuracy trumps niceness...Ronmexico and Aaron are so delusional under their political ideological allegiance that anything that claims anything other than that CNN is part of some liberal cabal amounts to POV. My very last post before you had me banned included most of their allegations in addition to mine. Not because I felt the information they stand behind is any more credible than before, but merely as a compromise. If having the article being 100% credible isn't an option, 50% credible and 50% rubbish will just have to do. And you STILL blocked me.

As for Celestianpower, as an NPOV admin, I hope you wouldn't mind telling me whom I'd have to consult over having your administrative powers revoked. You're a poor administrator here, not up to the task of handling disputes on Wikipedia. You didn't participate on the CNN page, you didn't ask me about my edits, you didn't warn me regarding the block. You've shown nothing to demonstrate you were aware of the conflict on the entry, much less that you're a credible authority to be silencing people on the basis of your findings. You're incompetent. Amibidhrohi 17:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you deserve to know that Amibidhrohi is continuing his one-man attack campaign against you on other pages: Talk:CNN#Celestianpower_abusing_his.2Fher_Admin_Powers. --Aaron 18:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think an admin frivilously blocking people is something to be taken lightly. In the context of the CNN article, it's important to note what voices are being kept from expressing themselves. Amibidhrohi 19:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

it is getting incredibly tiresome and not even worth the effort to correct amib's increasingly frequent vandalism. I am requesting that an administrator go to the cnn and foxnews pages and edit using an even standard on both pages. amib has given up any facade of being fair, he is blatantly using different standards for different things. all i'm asking, begging, for is a universal standard. and just saying "look at the rules" will not help because we are dealing with someone who is repeatedly breaking all the rules. ETA: i apologize to celest for the length of all this discussion, and appreciate your effort in dealing with this issue. RonMexico 22:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

You're not asking for AN admin, you're asking for THIS admin, who's behavior regarding my account has been critisized by three other admins as overstepping. Amibidhrohi 23:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to block Amibidhrohi again. I'm consulting another admin now and if that isn't satisfactory, please take it to WP:AN/I. I have also, you may like to know, responded here. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 09:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Celestianpower has requested that I step in as a neutral administrator. Fundamentally, the issue at hand appears to be a content dispute; please see the dispute resolution process for the CNN dispute, which I will not address further.

Amibidhrohi was blocked for violating the spirit of the 3RR rule by Celestianpower, which the blocked user disputes. It is not the duty or right of an administrator to decide a dispute either way; Celestianpower acted on an apparent violation of policy, not in regard to the dispute itself. The block does not seem to have been frivolous; although other administrators later disagreed with his judgement, that does not make Celestianpower an incompetant administrator. The fact that Celestianpower was willing to submit to another administrator when their neutrality was called into question demonstrates a respect for due fairness. Your editing priviledges have been restored by another administrator and Celestianpower has not interfered with the underlying dispute. If you'd still like to question their ability as an administrator, I would suggest filing a request for comment with supporting evidence. // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 09:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Amibidhrohi's claim above that Celestianpower's action "has been critisized by three other admins as overstepping", let the record show that: 1) Only two admins said anything at all, and merely suggested Celestianpower give the matter a second look. They did not give Amibidhrohi what he actually sought. 2) Amibidhrohi engaged in a classic "admin shopping" campaign, returning to IRC repeatedly at different times of day until he found what he wanted: an admin willing to unblock him. Once again, evidence of bad faith. Also, let the record show that the moment he got what he sought, he immediately resumed his POV edits of CNN and Fox News Channel. --Aaron 18:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

You're mistaken here. Celestianpower blocked my account twice. Celestianpower stated that the first block was because of a 3RR violation although, and Celestianpower acknowleges in the block list, I didn't 'technically' violate 3RR, but the number of edits across a 34 hour period left blocking within Celestianpower's 'descretion'. How true all that is, I don't know. I didn't protest the ban and simply let the period of the ban expire. Please note, my protest is not against the first block.

As to the first block, I was well within my rights per WP:3RR. Lets no longer talk about that one. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 21:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

The second block is the reason for my protest. Both in my talk page and in the blocklist, Celestianpower cites "highly POV" as his/her justification for blocking me again for 31 hours.I challenged Celestianpower repeatedly to tell me in words exactly in what direction he/she found my POV to slant. I presume such justification would have to be supported with evidence. As always, I recieved nothing but silence from Celestianpower. From the other admins I spoke to, Celestianpower had no authority to block me on POV grounds. Even if he/she did, I expect that in good faith Celestianpower would be obliged to communicate with me instead of summarily blocking me. As I stated above, I have not seen Celestianpower engage in any discussions in the CNN talk page. He/she has not edited the article. For all I know, Celestianpower is not even conscious of the ongoings on the CNN page; and all that is assuming the best and that Celestianpower operates in good faith.

Pathoschild, since you're involved here, I'd ask you to go to the CNN entry and inspect the "Controversy/bias" section. Look at how it was constructed prior to my first edits on that page. Then go to the talk page and read my corrosponding criticism of how that section was structured, and particularly the POV nature in which sources were misquoted and misinterpreted. Then go to my last edits before the second ban was applied. Then tell me which version seems more NPOV. And then I'd ask you what I've asked Celestianpower to do twice: based on the edits on the actual article, in which direction do you find my POV to slant? I expect the answer to be based on the article and not the discussion, and with actual references as to where I'm guilty of POV pushing.

As he said, the actual content of the article is not for discussion here. We're discussiong my actions. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 21:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Your action was to block me because my edits were POV.That is the statement on the blocklist, that is the statement on my talk page. My POV can only be determined by my actions in editing that page. For you to be able to become conscious of those POV edits, you'd have to READ the edits I made. As such, the actual content of the article is totally relevant. Amibidhrohi 22:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I do stand by my statement that Celestianpower is incompetent. That's my good-faith interpretation of how this all worked out. The other possible explanation is that an otherwise competent admin has been highly malevolent in this case. Amibidhrohi 17:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with both your analyses. I am not incompetant and not malicious as I hope most people will tell you. I believe that, given your previous 4 reverts, then reverting again when the block was over justifies another block, POV or not (and I took it to be POV because of the constant reverts and opposition on the talkpage). And as I said earlier, I was away whenyou contacted me so of course I didn't reply straight away. I am however replying now. Also, if you want to talk about trying to contact me, this is the email you sent, in the interests of full disclosure:

What the fuck is wrong with you, you witless retard? Do you even bother to check the reasons I edited the CNN article? The sources cited previously by whoever previously created the Controversy section did NOT support the allegations actually put on the board. That constituted original research, which is NOT ALLOWED under Wikipedia rules. I added controversies that were supported by major publications, allegations addressed by CNN itself on its programming and in other publications. The difference between my edits and theirs is that mine MEETS standards set by Wikipedia rules, the others did not. In my last several posts, I allowed the conservative-biased POV allegations by Aaron and Ronmexico to stay even though they were supported by things as unrealiable as personal blogs, simply so that the edit warring can end. Do you even bother to check what's going on in the page before you make your fucking judgements? Aaron doesn't even participate in the discussions, and Ronmexico's defenses are juvenile. You're fucking useless.

Hardly CIVIL, good-faith assuming and certainly a a personal attack. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 21:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

It would violate guidelines of civility and good-faith IF had I posted that on Wikipedia. I sent that to your e-mail account though. Offensive actions are worse than offensive words in my opinion, and that e-mail response for your frivilous abuse of your authority was the least you deserved. Show me where a single revert after a 3RR-violation-that-isn't-a-3RR-violation justifies another block. As for your presumtion that my edits were POV were justified because of complaints on the discussion page, only ONE person voiced opposition on the talk page, that being Ronmexico (aaron tends to prefer reverting articles without notice). It didn't occur to you that he could be the one engaged in POV pushing?

So let's sum up your justification for the ban: 2, possibly 3 edits (not reverts); and the complaints on the talk page by one editor, the same one who had for months kept allegations on the page that deliberately misinterpreted sources to suggest CNN served Saddam Hussein and North Korea. Brilliant. This doesn't help your claim that you're not incompetent. As before, out of good faith, I'll presume you weren't malevolent as well. Amibidhrohi 22:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

First of all, I'm not going to discuss whether the second block was justified or not. But Amibidhrohi, I think it's quite a bold statement to call someone incompetent or highly malevolent because of an incident like this. I can certainly imagine your being upset with that second block, but it is an overstatement to call that it incompetency, bad faith or 'frivolous blocking': did you really find any other examples of him doing stuff like this on a regular basis, more than any average admin? I kindly ask you to keep it civil and not engage in personal attacks. If you really believe that Celestianpower should no longer be an admin, follow the proper procedures like Pathoschild indicated above. --Joann e B 21:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Joann, if you don't want to discuss the block, please have the courtesy not to discuss my response to it either. It's unfair for you to be silent on the offense while being vocal on how one responds to it. It's very unWikilike. Amibidhrohi 22:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid that's not true. If she feels that you are being uncivil, not assuming faith and making personal attacks then she, an impartial administrator is perfectly within her rights to do so. Just like I can block for 3RR (first block) and not have ever editted CNN. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 22:47, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

With every reply you seem less and less intelligent. No wonder you prefer silence. I never said she CAN'T respond, I said it's unfair that she does voice her opinion on one side of the conflict after announcing she'll remain quiet on the other. A fair and 'impartial' individual considers all sides before passing judgements. She's basically closing her eyes to one's offense and taking exception with the other. There are moralities and perspectives on this planet of ours beyond the regulations of Wikipedia. I'm not saying her comment is Wiki-illegal. I'm saying it's unfair. It is unfair. That's my personal opinion. Amibidhrohi 22:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Another personal attack. You really should stop it. You complain about my breach of policy yet you keep breaching 3 (seemingly with every post). Plus, it is not unfair. She is an amdinistrator. It is her job to police personal attacks and uncivilness etc and that's what she's done. We are on Wikipedia at the moment and it is actively encouraged to do what she did. Please listen to her rather than just complaining that she said anything at all. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 23:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Well at least you acknowlege your breach of policy. My comments are observations, not personal attacks. Aside from that e-mail of course, which falls outside of Wikipedia's jurisdiction. I sincerely feel you're not up to being an admin on wikipedia. I don't even feel you'd make a good editor on articles. From the limited experience I've had with how you do your little job here, I feel you're unintelligent and that you're impulsive. Those are my opinions. My observations. If you take them to heart, that's you. I take it you're an actual human being and not a bot; as such I presume you understand that there are definitions of 'unfair' outside of the Wikipedia rulebook. Other admins did comment on your frivilous use of the block, she could have too. Instead she chose to ignore your 'breach of policy' and comment on me. Anyway, this is about you and not her, so that's all I'll say of that. Cheers. Amibidhrohi 23:32, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Whether I was wrong or not, you don't have the right to breach policies to make that point. Your replies are baltant personal attacks. I am not incompetant and not malicious. As to your opinion that I make a bad Administrator is completely false. at least 60 people and many more disagree (I am in fact leader of Esperanza so a lot of people have a lot of trust in me). And yes, admins did comment but none of them said I was incompetant, just slightly overstepping. I feel differently but there you are. We disagree and none of us here (other than you) have personally attacked eachother, been uncivil and we have all assumed good faith. If you rreally feel strongly then feel free to launch an RfC and you'll see how much support I get. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 12:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Amibidhrohi, in a case like this, checking if a block was justified or not is quite a lot of work, if you want to do it properly. In the past, I have done so a couple of times for people that felt they were blocked for the wrong reasons or for too long. However, as reading all the 'evidence' and trying to get a good view of the situation takes a lot of time and effort, I only do so if I feel that the blocked user has asked me (or the Wikipedia community as a whole) 'nicely': in a civil tone, in the right location etc. etc. You did not do so, so I don't feel obliged to do all that research. Is that unfair? I don't think so, since I'm not a judge and I do not pretend to be one. I'm no ArbCom either. I'm just a Wikipedian seeing another Wikipedian making unfair accusations towards yet another Wikipedian and responding to that. I do not believe that anything is wrong with that. I did not claim that I was impartial - but I do believe that I was fair. If you want a impartial second opinion about that block, by all means ask for one, but not like this. --Joann e B 23:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not requesting that you check out the block or anything. I had no intention to. The only point I'm making is that you're not aware of what happened and why, and for that reason it's unfair for you to comment on my response to that situation. I'm not asking you to take the trouble to do anything. Heck, I would have preferred you'd taken less trouble than you already have. I'm asking that you remain silent on my response to the block.

I've taken a second opinion already, and a third, and they agree Celestianpower acted wrongly. Anyway, I'm done discussing this issue. Reply if you want, don't if you don't want to. I'm out. Amibidhrohi 23:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

She is commenting upon a breach of policy, perfectly unsder her juristiction. You cannot make people be silent because you dislike what they are saying. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 12:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Jesus...Whatever she's doing, I can voice my opinion to it. This is a discussion page, not an encyclopedia entry. I didn't say she should be MADE silent. I have no intention of 'making her silent'. Just giving my opinion here, which I think is a perfectly valid one. As for her jurisdiction, commentary on talk page is within everyone's jurisdiction. You're an illustration of all that's wrong with Wikipedia. You don't make logical sense, you derive understandings of things that are said that weren't in fact said. You make snap judgements on things without taking the information for what it is. You're too underqualified to undertake anything of an intellectual or scholarly nature. Wikipedia is worse off having the likes of you as an admin.Amibidhrohi 15:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm starting to get quite annoyed at your constant, unending personal attacks and incivility. I urge you to file an RfC and then we can see who has the community's backing. You aren't giving your opinion, you are attacking me. If you continue to make these personal attacks, I may file an RfC against you. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 16:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

From what I read here I can tell that obviously a user eager to share his knowledge with other users has gotten in the way of an extremely arrogant admin and one who can't cope with criticism. The thing about reverting an article can be seen from various points of view. Either Amibedhrohi reverted the article in order to POV it or you reverted it to delete info given by him which you didn't like. He wanted his info back on the page but you didn't let him. Maybe in this case it wasn't him who started the edit war but it was you. You'd better think about that instead of abusing your powers as an admin to start an RfC against an innocent user. You provoked him by first banning Amibidhrohi twice then not answering at all when he wanted to know what you were up to, and then trying to worm around telling him why you thought his contributiion was POV. You're clearly not as good an admin as you seem to think. What about resigning as an admin and having your account deleted? --89.54.243.112 14:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

As to resignation as admin and deletion of my account, firstly, account deletion is impossible. Secondly, get an account then file an RfC if you aren't happy with my conduct. Then we can see who gets the community's backing. --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 14:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah I think I'd like to do that. You're sooo sure that you're backed by the community and I'd really like to see your face when you're sacked. :-)))))))))) And whatsoever, you were far from impartial on this thing. You banned Amibedhrohi and not that other dude RonMexico who was included in that clash of opinions. Why Amibredhrohi and not the RonMexico? Just because Amibredhodi stood for his opinion and RonMexico didn't? What was your decision based on to attack Amibredhrhohi and not RonMexico, before Amibredhrohi attacked you because you provoked him? --89.54.243.112 22:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Your school

Hey man, first of all, do you have access to "Internet preferences" ? Tools->options in Firefox, Tools->internet options in IE. If you do, you could try changing the proxy settings to just one of those IPs (its probably currently a round-robin) and then use that one and block all the others. If it is only set to one IP, this is probably some kind of local proxy that makes requests to a round-robin of upstream proxies. In this case, you can still try and make direct requests to the upstream proxies, but I don't know if it will work. Is your sysadmin a reasonable (and non-braindead) guy? You could ask him about it. If all else fails I can set you up some kind of HTTP/HTTP proxy. If you have no idea what I just wrote and you think you might be interested in it, feel free to email me. - FrancisTyers 10:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, basically the fourth option would involve me setting up CGIProxy [7] somewhere and giving you passworded access to it. This is not an ideal solution, as it would only be available to you, and wouldn't allow other users to edit, but it would be a solution for if you need to edit but the IP is blocked and you don't want to unblock it. Let me know if you want me to set it up.

Is there a possibility of asking your admin to grant you more privileges? e.g. access to the Internet preferences in Firefox/IE? I was very fortunate at school that we didn't have a full time administrator so I got to help out, admin access etc. But maybe your school is better funded :) It all depends on how good terms with him/her you are ;) - FrancisTyers 17:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Snicket Wikiproject

Thanks for offering, but I think I'll pass. My interest in the series is currently fading - everyone on the Snickwiki can attest to that. I may take you up on this that certain Friday in October, though. Thanks again! - Doug teh H-Nut 18:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Laughing...

...at your heap of messages you have to deal with then you get online :) →Fir e Fox 19:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha

...yeah, it does. :)

Actually something very odd was going on, whenever I opened my userpage it showed an old vandalized version, but when I clicked on the most recent revision it showed my normal page... So it looks like I used a false edit summary on my userpage, but what I did actually fixed the problem. Very weird... Banes 11:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the eighteenth 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 14th of January 2006 and the 29th of January 2006. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Request For Protection Until Dispute Resolved

Hi, i want to know if its possible to protect the Gothic Metal article. A while back i performed a revision of the page after a near 2 month dispute on the articles contents. After intense discussion and several revisions of the talk page on the since deleted temp article, one of the users has proceeded to start vandalising pages ive edited. This user is DanteInferno. This user was involved in the debate in opposition to the revision i wished to make, which was made due to consensus being reached on the revision and the argument being abandonded against it being posted. Since the users return he has demanded that i am vandalising pages, and has claimed me of using sock puppets to make edits to pages, and has claimed several users dislike me and refuse to work with me. Both of these claims are unsourced. Dante also seems to exhibit Meglomanical Point of View, reverting any edits made to pages listed on his user page, on the basis he 'owns' the articles. I do not know clearly how to deal with this user, and i have posted this message to several admins as i wish to ask advice from several admins i have had no previous contact with, as i do not wish to seem biased. I hope that the page can be protected against this vandalism, as it is disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point, which along with the users other actions against me, is in violationg of several Wikipedia policys. Sorry for having to seek help this way, but i am at a loss at the best way to handle this users personal vendetta against me. Leyasu 17:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Mailing list

Could you add me to the mailing list for Esp.? essjaywiki @ gmail Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 05:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Same for me; ea.scholar@g to the mail - Pureblade | ^Θ 08:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

CVU membership category being deleted

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Counter_Vandalism_Unit_Member.2Fwikipedia.2Fen

Please weigh in on this issue. —WAvegetarian•_{_{CONTRIBUTIONS}}^{^TALK}• ^{^EMAIL}• 17:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Bot request

Oh yeah, sorry about that, I never did get it working on 98 :( .Is it wise to change lowercase pokemon to uppercase Pokémon while I'm at it? Martin 23:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza

Someone removed me from the #wikipedia-esperanza access list today, so I took it to mean that I hadn't participated enough to Wikipedia:Esperanza to be welcome in the association anymore. Angela . 20:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

As I said on IRC, absolutely not! I was doing housekeeping, removing people who hadn't used the channel and/or thier access in more than 12 weeks (three months) and pulled yours. I have restored it personally, and am happy to see you've rejoined us. (Crossposting to User talk:Angela.) Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 21:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Signpost/Esperanza

I am a member of Esperanza, and also a new writer for the WikiSignpost. I am writing an article about the suggested changes to the current Charter. Please help me out.

Since you are the ADMIN. GEN. of the group, I have some questions for you.

1. What do you feel about some suggested changes to the voting system? AND 2. In your personal opinion, how is the structure of Esperenza?(good, bad, ok, etc.)

Thanks for all your help! Wikizach 01:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Just butting in here; I established the original voting system (for the first AC election) so I may be of help as well. Let me know if you need me for anything. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 16:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Block

I could barely contain myself when I saw this. I have half a mind to block you for 17 seconds for blasphemy! Long live the Jimbo! *Sacrifices a floppy disk to appease the Founder* :-p Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 00:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Meetup/Birmingham

This is just a reminder that the Birmingham meetup of UK Wikipedians that you have expressed an interst in is happening tomorrow. Sorry for the short notice. Thryduulf 15:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting...

Hi, it is interesting to see that you blocked Jimbo Wales - however, I don't see any message on his talkpage about your blocking him (nor could I find it in the history or deleted edits). I believe that it is the barest of courtesies to inform someone who is blocked. So what if the block is for 1 second?? If you believe that his action warrants a block, his talkpage definitely warrants a blocked note. --Gurubrahma 17:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks, Celestianpower. Your sympathy is appreciated much, since this is not easy in the least to do. Last night on the vandalism channel, I'm afraid what I wrote was being misinterpreted for flirting, which was the last thing on my mind to do. My parents have kindly protected me from many things for sixteen years now, and I don't want to undo the work they have done overnight, so to speak. I want to be "innocent to that which is evil", and a lot of vandalism is evil. This explain?--ViolinGirl^♪ 14:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I actually believe that all sins are equal: stealing a paperclip is as wrong as killing someone, for example. I get this from James 2:10: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." By the way, I'm not saying I don't have any good friends here. I'm assuming you read this? Thanks again...--ViolinGirl^♪ 14:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

:D No, you're not attacking me. I understand how you feel, and I'm explaining myself because I want you to understand. I'm saying that I believe GOD believes that all sins are equally wrong. For example: You know in Matthew? If you covet, it's as bad as if you stole? That's sort of where I'm coming from. If I read profanity, it's as bad as speaking/thinking/whatever it myself. Get my jist?--ViolinGirl^♪ 14:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that's what I mean about my parents protecting me so well. If it were true (that I see/hear profanity, swearing, etc on TV, books, etc), then I would be hypocrtical to be leaving wikipedia for these reasons. However, my television watching is very rare: we don't have cable TV...the only TV I see at home is an occasional golf game with my dad on Sundays. My family and I watch some videos (Anne of Greengables), but there aren't many, and most of those are previewed by my parents. As for books: if I'm reading a book and come across anything that violates my conscience, I quit reading. It's hard sometimes (just like "leaving" wikipedia is), but I try to do it so I can live up to my motto of "no compromises". Thank you for asking me these questions. They have helped me to explain myself almost better than I felt I did here. And, obviously, I'm not gone for good....always your friend--ViolinGirl^♪ 14:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

>huge grin< I'm homeschooled, and doing college through distance education right now. :D I hope I haven't offended you in anything I've said...I'm just telling you how my heart/brain is wired. :)--ViolinGirl^♪ 15:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually, I'm teaching music students (from home) right now, so that meets my financial needs at present. I'm sure you won't be suprised when I say that I believe in courtship: where any prospective man who is interested in me goes to my dad, and works through him. So, that takes care of the boyfriend business, too. :) If you want my opinion on other things in matters like this :D then let me know. Here is a blog of twin teenagers who believe similar to me. My blog is here. Cheers!--ViolinGirl^♪ 15:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

This is letting you know that I got both your comment on my blog :) and your message, and I'm going to be replying soon. RL calls, you know! God bless you...--ViolinGirl^♪ 15:42, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Once I marry (IF :)), I will be under the protection of my husband. Secondly, I hope by the time I'm married I'll be mature and not easily shaken by "youthful lusts": 2 Timothy 2:22 says, "Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart." That's what I'm "fleeing" (by backing down from participation in Wikipedia) right now.

In regard to my blog...the point of the post you commented on was: don't be ashamed of Christ. The point was not, "Muslims are bad people". I gave this as an illustration that a lot of Christianity is looked down upon in RL. Finally, you asked: "...[H]ow do you choose to moderate your comments? Is it just moderation for profanity ...etc... or other things?" It's only in regard to profanity, etc., and the pages people link to. I'm not sure why it doesn't show your comment on the main page, but it is published, so... Cheers!--ViolinGirl^♪ 17:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you, Celestianpower/Full archive
for voting in my RFA. It failed with a result of 31/11/2. Thank you for voting. If you have any comments, please say so here.

Hey coach buddy!

I'm still not totally sure why every kid in admin school needs two coaches, but I guess more can't possibly hurt, right? In any case, I'm glad that you're both here to do whatever it is you do. I'm definitely not ready for an RFA, but I'm hoping the coaching I get here will help me on my way. Communicating by posting everything onto each others' talkpages seems a little inefficient though, especially since there's two of you. IRC does sound like a better solution, and email could work here too.

I look forward to a vicious and painful trial by fire!

Snurks ^{T C} 00:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The fact that we're 8 hours apart is making IRC and really any kind of realtime conversation pretty difficult. We should either schedule a good time for IRC or maybe just communicate with talkpages and email. Thoughts? Snurks ^{T C} 08:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm eight hours behind you, so Sunday might work, but I'll just be on occasionally and see if you're there. Snurks ^{T C} 18:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

AWB trouble

Hey, be careful with the AutoWikiBrowser. Your December 27 edit of List of fictional cats [8] totally messed up a bunch of foreign words (including the link to the Japanese article), probably because AWB doesn't handle Unicode well. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 07:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Vanity page?

Hi, Celestianpower. Trisdee here. I received a welcome message from you after I made my first contribution to Wikipedia back in August, 2005, which is why I'm asking you for advice now.

I wrote up my user page two days ago and now I'm wondering if that kind of page can be considered a vanity page. Sometimes I tell people too much about myself (and my user page certainly shows that), though often they don't mind, but I have no idea how appropriate it is here (on Wikipedia). I mean, I have been using (and perceiving) Wikipedia as an online encyclopedia but I'm not at all used to its "sense of community", as it were, so I am completely clueless as to how to "behave" around here.

So if you could check it out and let me know what should not be there, or even better, edit it for me (should it need to be edited), I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks ever so much.

trisdee 17:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

wOOOT

for your vote for Banes' adminship. Agree...one-hundred and twenty percent!!!--ViolinGirl^♪ 20:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Banes RfA

Hope my reply there has cleared things up a bit, I'd be happy to receive any further comments. I could still be persuaded to change my vote to neutral (and no I don't mind you, Banes or anyone else trying- I won't hold that against him in any way). Feel free to give me a yell on my talk page --Petros471 20:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Celestianpower, I just want to let you know that I have sent you an email! Happy editing! KnowledgeOf Self | talk 23:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

New Meeting

Hey, I added some things to the Esperanza meeting agenda, and by the way, when is the next one planned for? Thanks! Wiki eZach 03:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you think this is ready?

Hey Celestianpower, I'm just wondering if and when you think the Esperanza Userpage award program will be ready to be moved to the main Esperanza programs page? I think everything has been covered from a preliminary stand point. I think the only way it could advance is to get it started. Any thoughts? Thanks. KnowledgeOf Self | talk 12:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Special:Listusers

I am contacting a few choice editors, meaning you :-), in hoping that you may help me in a suggestion I have. I am proposing that the Special:Listusers page be broken up into Users and indefinantly blocked/vandal accounts. I want to know your input on my suggestion. — Moe ε 16:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks or your input! I suggested it at the Village Pump/Proposals. — Moe ε 16:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

EA spam

I wasn't intending to spam anybody just yet... I was only testing an idea I had. Sure, give me your text and I'll spam it too. Just leave it under User:Rune.welsh/spam. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 16:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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Your input would be highly appreciated.

If you could offer your thoughts on these pages I'd appreciate it! KnowledgeOf Self | talk 16:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm a little weary on spamming the project itself as of now. A general announcement making mention of the program is a great idea. It's perfectly fine that you signed up to be the first judge. I'm contemplating if it would be in good taste to sign myself up lol. I'm hesitant because of my heavy involvement so far. KnowledgeOf Self | talk 16:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar!

Hey celestianpower! Your work on WP:PCP is so... tireless! So, you deserve to be rewarded with a nice and shiny Barnstar.

Wikipediology Elections

Voting for the positon of Regent Ñ will begin on February 5th at the voting page. All candidates should list themselves there before then. Please take the time to vote, and become more active in the Wikipediology Institute. Thanks - Pureblade | ^Θ 04:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Update

Thank's for the update. I hope to help however I can on the subjects at hand. The Neokid 18:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

looking for info re: publication bans

I'm wondering if you can direct me to information about wikipedia policy in regards to publication bans. I am considering updating the Robert Pickton page in wikipedia and am able to attend the trial in person, so I will have information that the Canadian media is prevented from reporting due to a Canadian publication ban. Is there a policy or precedent in regards to such issues in wikipedia? Thank you for your time! Fennel

Does this help?

I read the meeting log. When I put on there to make a new goal, I meant that Esperanza should be focused on a single area of Wikipedia. For ex. the Welcoming Com. helps with new users. That should hopefully clear up what I meant. Wiki eZach 01:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey there....

Hi Celestianpower/Full archive! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! You'll be assigned three user pages to examine. Pick your favorite one and award it 1-10 points in four categories:

Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are a secret! Email Banes with your scores and final picks. Please contact him for information on how to email him. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

Your three user pages to choose from are:

KnowledgeOf Self | talk 19:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you CP

Thanks for your kind support (and comments) at my RfA. I really appreciate it. If you should ever need my help with anything, please let me know! And also, thanks for being such a great Admin General! (no, not a suck up comment :) ) All the best Banez 18:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Bulbasaur

Thank you very much for voicing your criticism at its FAC. I have worked into the article all of your prcise suggestions but wondered if you might help me out with some of the others. This is what I've done so far.

What more do you need to know about it in the real world? It notes who created it and when.
As to why the anime and video games are longer: they are more popular and widely available. Plus, there is more to write about them. What more do you write about a small peice of card worth about a dime?

Regards, --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 21:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I note that the small concerns have been rectified, however, in my mind having this article get a re-thinking is best for it (organization-wise and content-wise). To address your questions:

1. How about a bibliography like this: Krazy Kat#Eclipse Comics editions? Is "Cultural impact" or "Merchandise" too much? It was my impression that Pokemon was a huge popular cultural phenomenon, yet according to this article, there have been asolutely no analysis of its characters and Bulbasaur has only ever been mention twice in the media. No non-promotional books with independent analysis?

2. I don’t think that justifies inclusion into the article. That sounds like writing for the sake of writing. As for the cards, I really thought the fantasy card games were a big part of Pokemon. --maclean25 03:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi Celestianpower/Full archive, thanks for participating in my RfA discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). If you voted in support of my request, thank you! If you decided to oppose me at this time, then I hope that if I do choose to reapply in the future, the effort I will make in the meantime to improve and expand my contributions to Wikipedia may persuade you to reconsider your position. All the best, Proto t c 15:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada

Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry if I was wrong. How I managed to send you this message was because of the page User:Celestianpower/PMC which is listed on Category:Wikipedians in Canada. I got to say I didn't understand why the PMC user page was a subpage to your user page, so I sent the same message to both pages, thinking that you were also be connected to Canada in some way. But I can see you're from England now that I read.--DarkEvil 14:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award

Hey Celestianpower, this is just a courtesy message letting you know that all 5 judges have selected a finalist and you may now email your scores to this week's "overseer". For convenience sake UPA Thanks KnowledgeOf Self | talk 13:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks!

Okay, this is perhaps a bit overdue, but thank-you for your support in my recent RfA! I passed with a final ~~vote count~~ consensus of (82/1/0), which was a lot of support that I really appreciate. I'll try to live up to the expectations; and on that note, if there's ever something I do wrong (or don't do right), please spit in my general direction. Cheers! --P e ruvianLlama^(spit) 05:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

UPA

Well, you jumnped the gun my friend ;-<>. We didn't want to clear the list until tomorrow....I guess it's alright though. Everyone can still see the scores and who won. Good luck on your nom. KnowledgeOf Self | talk 22:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. I had already told Wikizach not to blank it because we wanted to keep it at least for a day... -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 22:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

User Page award

Congratulations, Celestianpower/Full archive! Your user page has been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Award! Five judges will look over your user page and award it 1-10 points in four categories:

Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
General niceness: at the judges' discretion

But first, you must be chosen as a finalist. If your user page is chosen as one of the five finalists, you'll have the chance to win an award created just for having a great user page!

More information can be found on this page.

smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 18:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

File:Celestianpower-Espanol.ogg

Sí, es una lengua muy bonita. Y yo tengo tarea en mi clase de espaňol que necesito hacer ahora. — Ilyan e p (Talk) 22:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Es una lengua muy bonita. </grammar nazi> ;) Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 22:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Darnit Titoxd...I was just coming in to fix that...so...

¿De qué hablas? Yo escribí 'es'! — Ilyan e p (Talk) 04:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo

Did you just violate WP:POINT to block Jimbo for that painstakingly long 1 second...hehe :)?Voice of All^T|@|ESP 18:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

You...blocked...Jimbo? LMAO ! — Ilyan e p (Talk) 01:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Policy is policy ;) Ian13/talk 18:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Pokemundanity

I interacted with you on the Bulbasaur peer review, so I'm guessing you know your Pokemon from your Pikmin better than I do. Anyways, what's the policy/consensus on Pokemon fan fiction in Pokemon articles. I had removed some references to a fan fiction webcomic, Pokémon-X that I've upped for deletion. But in Mightyena theres already some other non-canon internet stuff in there. Normally, I'd just smite it, but I thought maybe a Pokemaniac would better look at it. - Hahnchen 17:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard of it. Delete it. UIf anyone disagrees, they can always restore it. Perhaps comment out? Or move to talk page? --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 19:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Name

I assumed you were quite a bit older when I came across you in Esperanza. Then I found you in Category:Teenage Wikipedians, having just added myself to the list...

Back on topic, 3 Wikipedians know your name. ............Who are they? haz _(user talk)^e 20:36, 9 February 2006

Curious, just curious! (I operate a similar setup myself; only the number is 0, not 3) haz _(user talk)^e 21:05, 9 February 2006

Could you please do a speedy delete on User:Haza-w/temp? I've been waiting for aaaages... haz _(user talk)^e 21:15, 9 February 2006

Regarding the Bulbasaur FAC

I felt I owed you an explination to why I removed Bulbasuar from the FAC. I read the Bulbasaur article tonight from top to bottom for the first time. I decided that I agree with the criticisms that it does not stand on its own - e.g, to someone unfamiliar with pokemon, the article is almost impossible to comprehend. I also agree to a certain extent with Taxman's comment that it it lacks information explaining the relavance of the topic - e.g, it didn't ansewr the question "why is bulbasuar important". Raul654 04:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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Stressfulness

Sorry that things are not working out with Bulbasaur becoming a featured article - but know that it's an awesome article, and that there was a lot of support for it! Even if it can't be featured, people are still aware of it's high quality. -- Nataly a 12:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

*hug* - CorbinSimpson 21:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Jenmoa/stress --User:Jenmoa 22:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Committee

For your hard work in the service of the Mediation Committee, I hereby award you this Mediation Committee Barnstar and the title of unofficial chief clerk! Thanks a million for your help, I wouldn't have gotten it all done without you. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 16:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Revive Mind Benders!

As we are the only ones who have finished, would you colaborate in helping and encouraging others to finish their pages, giving some suggestions? F e tofs ^Hello! 00:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I have already pointed my suggestions and am likely to post them tomorrow morning. If you happen to come with any idea you can tell me and I'll contact the writers, or you could contact them yourself. Good night! F e tofs ^Hello! 00:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Cel es tianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

Nice update, thanks CP! +sj + 17:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Happy Valentines

Happy valentines day ;) — FireFox • T • 10:32, 14 February 2006

Your wikibio

Hi, Celestianpower. I'd just like to let you know that I've left a message on the talk page of your wikibio regarding a typo. Right, well, that's all I have to say. Happy Valentine's Day et cetera. Be well. :-)

Musically, Trisdee 17:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

<3

Happy Valentine's Day, Celestianpower! :D Sango 123 (talk) 20:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Goodbye, Cel

I'm going now. I think you welcomed me and you are a great help to me. Goodbye, have fun without me. --XenoN e on (converse) 20:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching!

I rather enjoyed the "what would you do in this situation?" test you set up in IRC a week ago (or was it longer?), and I'd think it'd be cool to do another one of those, maybe not just AfD situations but other controversial issues as well. The time zone difference is a bit of a problem, so I think it'd be easier to just leave messages on each other's talkpages - alternatively, I (or you) could set up a User:Snurks/coaching page for you to write all over if you so desire. It's easier than constantly trying to find a time when we're both available over IRC, and I like getting new messages anyway.

Oh, and happy Valentine's Day!

Snurks ^{T C} 21:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's day!

Happy Valentine's Day, my dear Celestian!
Phædriel

Name change

Will you do the honor in changing my user name for me? SWD316 ^{talk to m}^e 03:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Second Malaysia Plan

Can you have another look, please? Johnleemk | Talk 16:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

stressed?

Sorry to see you are stressed. Bummer that Bulbasaur can't be a featured article, but it's still a great article and you did great work on it! I hope that's some consolation. :) --F a ng Aili 21:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Name Change (cont.)

Yeah, I think my name change will take some time to sink in.. But the good thing is Mcfly85 might get confused as to where SWD316 went. ;-) Sorry to hear your stressed. Moe ε 18:19, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

RE: Titoxd's RfB

Crat'ship and Adminship should not be given out as rewards, or expected after a certain time on the wiki. Admins we can generally always use more of, which is fine. But crats should only be added when the wiki has a need for more. At the moment, I'm satisfied with what we have. Hope that explains my posistion, if you're still not clear on my intent, or want to challenge/discuss parts of it, feel free :) -AKMask 01:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you!

Hi Celestianpower/Full archive. On behalf of my right eye, I'd like to thank you for giving me your support on my recent RfA. It ended with a final tally of (73/2/2) and therefore I have been installed as an administrator now, and I'm ready to serve Wikipedians all over the world with my newly acquired mop and bucket. If you have any questions, do not hestitate to forward them to my talkpage. Once again, thanks for your support.

Soothing R 20:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Preview

I would like to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. — FireFox • T • 18:03, 19 February 2006

Esperanza election staff voting

Hi Celestianpower. I posted this on Wikipedia_talk:Esperanza/February_2006_elections/Vote, but in case nobody's watching that page, I thought I should let you know that several members of the election staff have cast votes. --Aaron 18:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but what about Haz? Does he get removed from the elections staff, or will his votes be discarded? (Not that it matters to me personally, since I'm obviously not going to win ... just trying to keep the process intact.) --Aaron 18:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:MIND (again)

Have you heard the good news?

Another nonsensical message by F e tofs ^Hello! 00:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

You can evaluate other pages. Please do that truthfully.

P.S: And please give me an answer to show that you're alive! F e tofs ^Hello! 22:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

If I understand Flcelloguy's remarks correctly, yes. If there is a review that wasn't corresponded, that will be discarded, no worries. F e tofs ^Hello! 23:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Spelling

Sorry to say, but yours is truly awful... [9] [10] No harm done! (Apart from FireFox got a bit shirty with me... I kinda shot the messenger when I blamed him ;-) haz _(user talk)^e 13:20, 23 February 2006

Community Justice

Dear members of Community Justice,

This message is just a simple newsletter, telling you of some recent progress.

Community Justice didn't get as many members as we initially hoped, however we currently have 11, including a few sysops.

The temporary council is now fully set-up, and it will remain in it's current form unless someone contacts me (or uses the talk page) to say that they wish to join the council, or to hold a higher post. In this case, an election will be organised.

We have created two warning tags: {{civil1}} and {{civil2}}. These aren't been widely used, so I ask you to use them when you see fit.

Finally, thanks! Compu terjoe 19:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC) (delivered in AWB).

This page is an archive of the twenty-first 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 2006-02-25 and the 2006-03-09. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.

Bulby and Furby

Why does the Furby information need to be in the Bulbasaur article at all? That's several degrees of separation away from Bulbasaur... that 6 years ago, in one country, a whole slew of toys that happened to include Bulbasaur was the most popular? I really don't think that that needs to be in there, and certainly not in the lead. If people need to see why Bulbasaur is connected to the real world, there's an excellent article, Pokémon, for that. Why do you feel that putting the Furby stuff in the Bulbasaur lead is so important? Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 22:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

A note from the Admin Coaching coordinator

Hello, coaches. As you can see, there is a significant backlog at the Esperanza Admin Coaching program. Since we do not want users to have to wait forever to get assigned, I'm asking all of you for a status report. If you feel that you are done, that your coachee is not active enough, or that you could handle the extra load from another coachee, please tell me in my talk page as soon as possible. Thanks! Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 06:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

FAC

I'm not done having my say yet...but I got too tired to finish. I promise I'll get it done soon. psch e mp | talk 10:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I've arrived

My user space was vandalized three times this evening for the first time ever. :) [11] The vandal even updated his vandal count, wasn't that nice of him? Essjay says that now I have arrived. I'm so proud. psch e mp | talk 08:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

ESP elections for AC

the elections are tied will 3 new members be added?

also i change the notice template thingy on the esp main page hope you don't mind

why do you ignore me? it says you are in did i do something wrong?

He's probably just offline, his last edit was a few hours ago. Cheers, The Minist e r of War ^(Peace) 16:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Bulbasaur FAC

Hi - I thought I ought to try to pour some oil on troubled waters. I may be preaching to the choir, speaking to the Admin General of Esperanza, but please don't take the comments on WP:FAC personally. I understand your frustration in dealing with comments that seem driven by the subject matter of the article rather than its merits or demerits as an article, but you will be much better off in the long run (i) simply pointing out where objections are not actionable; (ii) dealing with any objections that are actionable; (iii) relying on Raul654 to notice that there is a lot of support - more so even than the previous couple of times - and not many actionable objections. Perhaps it will take another iteration of review and FAC to get there, but please try to stay calm - I know it is difficult, but you will only harm your own case if you lose your temper (or are seen to have done so). For what it is worth, based on other contributions, I think Tsavage is motivated by good intentions. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I considered coming here and saying almost the exact same thing as ALoan has written above, so I'll go ahead and say that I think his advice is very sound. :) -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 18:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can't help feeling upset when he's so blatently lying, I'm afraid. --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 18:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, obviously, I disagree with the objections; the best way to counteract them is to explain why they are wrong. Please, please don't get stressed about this. It is not nice to have your work criticised, whether or not you agree with the criticism. Take a deep breath; go and do something else for a while. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I should add that the "mediocre, even crappy" was entirely uncalled for - I've seen mediocre articles, and this is not one of them - I note that it was carefully phrased in as "compelling, even brilliant" should NEVER equal "mediocre, even crappy" rather than actually saying that the article was crappy, although that implication was clear. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

You may like to see the list of points that User:Tsavage has posted on my talk page. I have to say, some of them look quite good ideas. -- ALoan (Talk)

Esperanza Feb 06 elections

I sent you an urgent e-mail regarding the elections. Please read it ASAP.

By the way, if you put 2 and 2 together regarding my username and e-mail address, you should work out my real name. That makes you and FireFox that know it. With great power, comes great responsibility... haz _(user talk)^e 20:26, 27 February 2006

Big, big problem. User_talk:Mathwiz2020#Esperanza_elections haz _(user talk)^e 21:01, 27 February 2006

I am on the member page - in fact, I added myself in this edit on 18 February 2006 at 01:07. Does this mean my vote will count? --M @th wiz 20 20 21:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Hi. My name is Jared and I'd like to ask you a favor. I an not an admin, so I can't do it myself; User:Kalsermar and I have identified 3 people who seem to be sockpuppets of eachother. There is a lot of evidence for this, as noted on this page. Could you please step in and try to resolve this, (most likely by blocking the user names.) Thanks. --Jared ^[T]/_[+] 21:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

My final good-byes

Hello Celestianpower. I came to tell all my friends, yes, that means you, that I am leaving Wikipedia. Thank you for being so kind to me during my stay on Wikipedia. I hope to speak with you again someday. Special thanks to you for being the first Wikipedian to list me as a user they held in high regards, that moment was special to me. Thank you. Moe ε 05:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Stress ball

Hello! I nominated this page at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Programs#Esperanzian_Drive and I also found an image that you uploaded to use on the page, so I figured you might be interested in the subject. Hopefully we can expand this beyond a stub, and help relieve some stress of Wikipedians. :o) E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 05:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Please see here the message

Please take notice of Wikipedia:Esperanza/Charter Amendments At approx. 845 EST (one hour) I will place it before the entire Esperanza Community for debate. I am informing all Leadership members. --Wiki eZach| talk 00:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC) PS: Happy 1,000,000 DAYE!

Thank you!

Thank you!
Hi Celestianpower/Full archive, thank you for your support in my Rfa! It passed with a final tally of 86/0/0. If you need help or just want to talk let me know! Again, thank you! – Dakota ~ ° 22:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA succeeded with a final consensus of 52/17/7, and receiving comments including having 'excellent potential to become a great moderator', and I am now an administrator. It did however only just pass, and I shall do my very best to rectify any of my errors, including the general belief that I should do more article work. If you have any concerns, or if you ever feel that I may be able to help you, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you!

Ian13/talk 19:26, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Award

Admin coaching

Hi, sorry I haven't responded sooner. I've been totally focussed on 2006 Winter Olympics items. I could use any advice as to what my potential limitations are regarding if I were to be considered for an adminship. I know that one of the things is that I don't spend a huge amount of time on talk pages or things like AfD or other things like that. Ever since I started editing Olympics pages, I realized how inadequate they are and tend to just plug away at those sorts of things. I'd love any advice of where I could get more involved in things. Sue Anne 08:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi!

Hey Celestianpower, I started to worry about your absence, but your wikibreak message says it all I guess! I hope they get it sorted out soon! Try not to get too frustrated by it, see it as a Wikiholiday in which you get to read some books or do some baking for a change ;-) (just kidding, I know it's frustrating nonetheless). Take care, --Joann e B 11:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I hope you get back on soon! P.S. I'm now an admin :P Ian13/talk 18:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm so very relieved now that you posted. :) btw we made up a new Esperanza holiday in your absence. Hope you don't mind. Wikipedia:Esperanza/Calendar/March psch e mp | talk 19:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Happy funny-and-slighty-random-love day!

Hi Celestian! I hope your internets get working again soon. Cheers! --F a ng Aili 20:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking that I'll need a new router and I can't afford one of those... :(. --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 10:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
You could try ebay or freecycle. (And thanks for the tl-ising. :) --F a ng Aili 17:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Requests for Adminship/Steveo2
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When you voted "neutral" in my RfA, you mentioned that you've heard my name somewhere. This is because you have left messages to users that I have also written to. And now you know. Thank you for leaving your opinions on the RfA.JaredW! 18:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Trading card game
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Hi, thanks for letting me know about this. You make two points, firstly that "Trading Card Game" is a proper noun. Certainly you could argue for "Pokemon Trading Card Game", "Neopets Trading Card Game" or "YU-GI-OH! Trading Card Game" needing capitals, I think it's harder to argue for the =term on it's own. Similarly I have a copy of "The Hobbit, the Book of the Film", I would not talk about it as the Book (that's reserved for THHGTTG or holy books :). To a lesser extent the same applies, for example, to Pepy's, one could say "in his Diaries" or equally reasonably "in his diaries"
Your second point, whether is this a job for a bot, is simpler. The bot isn't mindlessly replacing all section headings with slightly lower case variants, it's currently only changing about 200 specific headings - like "Selected Filmography" to "Selected filmography". Of course there's always the risk that someone's written book called Selected Filmography, but that is within the bounds of acceptable risk, IMHO. Rich Farmbrough 16:57 8 March 2006 (UTC).
Yes, I would be happy to do that, probably tonight, maybe tomorrow. Rich Farmbrough 17:05 8 March 2006 (UTC).
illuminatus fac
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hi, you commented that the one-pgraph "numerology" section could be removed. is it an objection to its content, or the fact it is one pgraph? cheers. Zzzzz 17:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Bulbasaur
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Hi - You may be losing the motivation to deal with this (I can understand it if you are) but I have tried to boil down the objections to the FAC as far as possible in a new summary section at the top. It seems that there are three:
References thought to be inadequate (not sufficiently authoritative; not giving sufficiently verification)

Elements thought to be missing (merchandise sales figures, design history and cultural impact)

Context thought to be insufficient
Without getting into another point/counterpoint, it seems to me:
You also can't produce "authoritative" references if they don't exist, and you can't do very much about the "authority" of the references that do exist: they are what they are, and either they do or they don't support what the article says.

You can't add information that is not available in a verifiable form, and I would guess that these elements simply are not available in a published form, so how can you add them in a way that can be verified?

The article can't explain each and every work, but I hope that a 90-year-old grandmother (who was motivated enough in the first place, and clicked through to the linked articles) would be able to work out what the article was saying. If not, a bit more explanation is required.
Just some thoughts... -- ALoan (Talk) 18:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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Serial Comma
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Does WP have a policy about it? I'm not going to revert the deletion of one from Illuminatus!! (I don't think I wrote that sentence), but I guess I'm one of those people who think the serial comma is sometimes appropriate; the sentence it was in seemed to be one of those. It stated: "The narrative often switches between third and first person perspectives, and jumps around in time." With the comma this indicates that the narrative switches between two perspectives and that it also jumps around in time (jumps being a verb). Without the comma it seems to me that it indicates that the narrative switches between three things: two narratives and jumps around in time (jumps being a noun). I don't know that that makes a big difference, but it does seem to make a difference. Incidentally, have you ever seen What Color Is Your Parachute? That author is a comma fiend as I recall.
As for the Numerology passage, I could take it or leave it (I did primarily write that one). Illuminatus does have 5, 17, and 23 sprinkled throughout starting from the first page, and there are a number of places where the numerology is discussed in far greater detail than it would be possible to cover in the article. Why did you think it should be removed, does it make the article too long, does it not explain it as well as it should, or is it simply unnecessary? Thanks. Шизомби 20:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations!
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Woohoo! Yeah! I'm the first to get to tell you! Great job, Bulbasaur is now a Featured Article !!!1111!!! :) w00t! psch e mp | talk 05:08, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
*congratulatory hug* - CorbinSimpson 05:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow! Congrats! --Joann e B 10:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The Featured Article Oddball Barnstar

Category: Featured Articles

The Featured Article Oddball Barnstar is awarded to Celestianpower for being the driving force behind the successful Bulbasaur FAC. An unusual article for an encyclopedia, but one most deserving.

I have a question
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Your a big wig at Esperanza so, i have a question. Would a little contraversy like talking about teams in sports and stuff be any good?--Slipknot 2 22 01:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
please help
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I'm upset and am appealing to you as the admin who "welcomes the chance to help users out." -not to mention your esperanza involvement. I plastered my complaints all over my user and talk pages. Any comments or actions would be helpful, just please don't not respond. Thank you. -LambaJan 03:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for any consideration. Things settled a little bit and my upsetness simmered down to a mild case of dissapointment. I think I'll be ok. I wish I were good enough to have not gotten upset at all, but people let names and labels come between them and logic and normal procedure, and that just got under my skin. I'm sorry if I brought you into a difficult situation. -LambaJan 02:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Bulbasaur FAC
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Congrats! Remember it was me who told you it was going to be alright, hahaha :-P -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 13:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Congrats for getting Bulbasaur passed. FAC's are always tough, but that one was crazy hard. However, I'm offended by the notice on your userpage that "opposers can just rot". Telling me that I can rot because I thought the referencing was poor in the article you wrote (which is the same thing I tell dozens of people on WP:FAC) is gratutitously inflammatory. I expect better from someone with your reputation. —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 03:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind reply. I understand your frustration with people who think your work is poor and perhaps don't value it as much as you do, but I encourage you to assume good faith. We're all here to build an encyclopedia; the problem is that we all have different ideas of what the perfect encyclopedia looks like. Oh, and nice sig =) Have you been using it every since you started here? —Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 03:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Fw:WP:MIND answering
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User:Shreshth91 proposed that answers be given as e-mail, to assure privacy. What do you think about that? F e tofs ^Hello! 13:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Successful RfA
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Thanks for your support and kind words on my recent RfA, which I am pleased to say passed with a final tally of 80/1/1. If you ever need any help, or if I mess something up as an admin, please let me know.

Cactus.man ✍ 20:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Smurrayinchester's RFA
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Thank you, Celestianpower/Full archive

for voting in my RFA. It passed with a result of 100/1/0. Thanks for your vote! If you have any comments, please say so here. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 19:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Your School IP
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Hi mate. I just plonked a very short ban on your school IP (30 minutes) for vandalism. However, I noticed that some of the edits were coming from other IPs in the same block, and the talk pages for some of those say they belong to "UK Internet for Learning". Are the addresses specific to your school, or does your school access via some other service? --kingboyk 13:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi (I'm answering here because I can't edit anywhere else, obviously). Well, they must be used elsewhere since there was only one boy on these machines during then, a lesson. He might have done it but I doubt it since it was during a lesson. I really don't know - sorry. --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 13:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
OK, cheers. I don't know if you've found it yet or not, but Wikipedia:Blocking policy proposal might interest you. If adopted and implemented could solve these problems for you. --kingboyk 14:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Voted ages ago - that's not been closed yet? --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 17:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
RfA thanks!
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Hi CP! Thanks for extremely supporting my RfA, mate. It passed at 105/1/0, putting me in WP:100 - I'm delighted and surprised! I'm always happy to help out, so if you need anything, as always please drop me a line. Cheers! ➨ ❝R E DVERS❞ 19:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Wikiethics
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Hi,
We started a proposal Wikipedia:Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.
Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.
Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.
If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikipedia:Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...
Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 00:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Rune welsh's RFA
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Thank you for the vote. Rune shall win! The mop shall be his. Thank you once again!--Yours Esperanzially--Tdxi a ng 陈鼎翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I would love your help.
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Hi CP,
I know you are interested in christianity, and I recently started a new wiki over at wikicities which is on the subject of christianity. Christian Knowledge Base is the site.
The goal is to have a knowledgebase on christianity from a distinctly "C(hristian)POV" rather than the NPOV. It is not meant to be a mere Christian Encyclopedia, but to foster a real sense of community. I'd like to include things like current events, news, stories, and anything that would add to both an understanding of Christianity, but also its enjoyment. I'm looking for help to build a resource that could really enrich the lives of Christians.
I know you are busy but I am actively seeking new sysops/admins to help me build this site up, and I would be positively thrilled if you could contribute in any capacity whatsoever. nsandwich 05:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Esperanza IRC bots
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Hello Celestianpower. KOS made both Misza13 and me remove our bots from #wikipedia-esperanza, based on the philosophy that only one bot should be allowed in the channel. However, I got the impression earlier that you did not subscribe to this belief, and I thought I would try and appeal KOS's decision to you :-) Thanks, Wh e re ^(talk) 17:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Image:Chuck.gif listed for deletion
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An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Chuck.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1
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Reach out

Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience:
"No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention."

Stress Alerts

The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them.

Note from the editor

Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log)

Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before.

Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log.

In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time.

The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified.

A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community.

The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially.

Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on.

The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen.

Signed...

Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Typo in newsletter
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1) Well he left it on there :P 2) Yes, it works for newsletters. Main pages on the other hand... 3) I'm bored a lot! Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 19:49, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for Skarmory
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Hey Cel, thanks for helping via tidying up the Skarmory and Torchic article! I feel slightly better when someone doesn't wipe my editting or complain because it doesn't fit in the dot-to-dot guide. The main reason Skarmory was needing a lot of work was primarilly (that can't be you spell that) because I've been focusing more Torchic (I never want to see another plush toy again), as well as the portal, rather than Umbreon and Skarmory (which I both did work on tonight). Thanks again and keep you the great work, Highway 01:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Images and questions..
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Hey.. again.. : P I am still working on Torchic, and I was thinking about adding a couple of pictures to improve the article. I was thinking that a picture of one of the plush toys and/or a screenshot of Torchic in [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire]. While I could manage to find/photograph a picture of Torchic in-game, and copy the copyright tags used from other in-game screenshots, I was not sure if I could upload a Hasbro product picture.
So, questions:
If I was to upload a screenshot, could I use the normal tags (I was looking at the picture of the battle between Bulbasaur and Charmander in the Bulbasaur which you uploaded) ?

Can I upload a Hasbro picture? If so, what tags would I use?

Does uploading picture kill bandwidth/MB/etc, or is it just the same as uploading into a Photobucket?
Hope you can help me with my questions. Thanks much, Highway 14:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, it did help. Couple of things though..
.. What's an emulator? I'm guessing it's some form of program that plays the game or similar, where can you find one?

I don't have the toy myself, it's on the website. I'll guess I'll have to settle for the screenshot..

I'm sure it'll be the same, the word "upload" was what freaked me earlier : P
Thank you for the help, Highway 15:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
The toys are also on pokémoncenter.com, are they under any different liscening? Highway 15:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

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Possible legal infringement on a page
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Dear Wikipedia Admin
I have contacted you concerning the following article: Windows Genuine Advantage. Users are using this page to spread information on how to bypass anti-piracy technology used by Microsoft. Please see my discussion topic on the article for more details. Any help in this matter is appreciated.
Thanks,
Kyle 15:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Vandalism from 62.171.194.0/26 range
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You participated in a discussion concerning vandalism from the 62.171.194.0/26 IP range about 3 months ago (Dec 2005). An indefinite block of this range was discussed, and you reported that it was from your school and that a block would block you as well. The decision that was reached was that you would manage the block, and unblock for your own use when you needed to. Since then, vandalism from this range has started pretty heavily again. According to the block log, you seem to be refusing to keep the range blocked, and instead saying "Just revert the vandalism then". The entire reason for the block in the first place was that the vandalism was unmanageable, to the rate of dozens of pages of vandalism per day per IP. It is unacceptable for you to expect other editors to mop up the mess from the vandalism range just so that you don't have to keep unblocking and re-blocking the range. I would like to know why your position regarding this IP range has changed. -- Renesis13 16:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
You wrote:
12 vandalisms per day? Oh no, how terrible. </sarcasm> Have you every been in the vandalism channel? About that much comes in every 2 minutes. 12 is a very small amount comparatively. Also, how much do I unblock, once every two days? It's reblocked pretty soon anyway so I don't really see much of an issue. I feel that something is being made of nothing here, impacting me in the process. Plus, I often revert vandalism to pages of my watchlist at school, when I see it. Probably a few a day. This, and any good article editing or commenting I do, surely cancels out 12 vandalisms each day? --Celestianpower háblame 17:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
So surely you're in support of not blocking any IP addresses at all? ("</sarcasm>") If you reread my comment I said dozens per day per IP address. So, several hundred per day—on an isolated, blockable IP range. It doesn't matter that the range gets blocked again "pretty soon"—you have the ability given to you to unblock IP addresses because it was determined that you would use the ability for the benefit of Wikipedia. Back when this was being discussed, all other editors felt an indefinite block was needed. You volunteered to unblock and reblock yourself, not to unblock and then wait for vandalism to occur, then wait longer for Curps to instate another 30 minute to 3 hour block. Back in December when I went through all 30+ IPs cleaning up the vandalism, there were several bad-faith subtle edits and other vandalizations that had gone totally unnoticed. I never had a problem with you unblocking temporarily during the time you would be editing. I only have a problem with you dropping the issue that was only resolved based on your agreement, and letting the flood of manageable vandalism come back in. -- Renesis13 17:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
You wrote:
I see. Okay, I now understand you and see your point. Sorry for my uncivility. I don't really know what to do about it then - I suppose I'll have to not edit from school, how moronic. Whatever happened to that proposal to distinguish between IP edits and accounts - surely that would solve all of my problems. --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 17:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you able to unblock just when you need to edit and then reinstate the block? It seems like it was going pretty well for a while. About that proposal, it seems to me that it would be an obvious decision —registered users should always be allowed to edit (especially sys-ops!) unless they are specifically blocked, also. The proposal seems to still be active and I voted my strong support of it today. Also, I appreciate the apology and apologize if I came across as attacking. -- Renesis13 17:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)== GA Trouble ==
Oh just great
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Hey Cel, I'm in kind of a mix up, someone's shouted at me and I'm wanting a second opinion on whether I deserved it.
I recently added Torchic to the Good Article nomination page, and have judged a couple of articles while I was waiting for someone to rate Torchic. I've not had any trouble with my decisions (I've had three with no troubles) until I did the Queen (band) article today.
Although it's a good article, I did fail and gave it a thorough reason (I'm kinda over critical times), but I was fair and tried to stay objective. I wrote this: Talk:Queen (band)#Good Article Failure.
This evening I received a message from the nominee saying:
I don't buy your failure for one second. You judged it on intenstely high standards. Okay, so there were a couple of grammar usages you didn't like. That just means the article isn't ready to become Featured. The assertation that a few sentences that you felt could be improved mean that the article isn't good is ridiculous. Some of the complaints aren't even valid - why should I define terms such as "arena rock" and "glam rock" within the article? They have separate pages! That's what they're for! Adding defenitions would simply lower the quality of the article. The article is absolutely a good article - I'm putting it back up for nomination right now, and I ask you to not to judge it (or any other article nominated to become good) any more, because you do not seem to be clear on the difference between "good" and "Featured". TheImpossibleMan 19:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm kinda shaken up (I replied on his talk page saying): So just because you disagree with my decision you're telling me not to participate in the process again? I'm sorry but that is nothing short of personal attack! I would happily award the article good if you adapted it but this is not a good article status article! I have read Beatles article are of much a higher standard, I reccommend you read some of them before harassing other users! Highway 19:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Probably not the best of ideas, but I'm really mad.. and upset, though I know I shouldn't be. Could you reply back to what I should do, I'm feeling really bad. Thanks, Highway 20:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I just received:
* I encourage you to actually read my statements before concluding that I'm harassing you and making personal attacks. At no point in my above statment did I disparage you personally. I simply did (and do) think that you're holding articles to far too high a standard.
Additionally, you may not realize this, but the Beatles are, by far, the highest maintained group on English Wikipedia. There are literally over a dozen Beatles-related articles that are Featured, and some (such as the Sgt. Pepper's article) are just short of being Featured. Even more, read articles like Something, then tell me that the Queen article isn't even good. TheImpossibleMan 20:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not replying until I know whether to keep going or to hide.. Highway 20:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for replying, I'm feeling better now, especially since Corbin just failed it again XD. I think the PA came from the telling me not to review anything, which felt pretty bad, but I will look into it. The guy could use some grammar usage tips though XD, Thanks Highway 22:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Vandalbot?
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Hi, Celestianpower, I see you and I blocked 209.123.28.250 at the exact same moment, and both for 31 hours, too. I've asked about their editing speed here on WP:ANI, please check it out. What do you think? A bot? Could they be blocked for longer? Bishonen | talk 17:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC).
Torchic
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WE PASSED! : P I'm grinning at the moment, it passed! Okay, it was a user I haven't come across, but they appear to have very good judgement (I was trundling through everything) and OH my god!! I'm so annoyingly happy : P Anyway, just to let you know, but this a good step, see you later. Yay! Highway 23:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
List of words mainly used in American English
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Apology accepted. Nothing wrong with deleting incorrect entries, just so long as people know they are incorrect. Unfortunately, as fast as some are deleted, they are replaced by other editors. I'd suggest that rather than just deleting the text, this is a case where commenting it out makes sense, with an explanation, as it signals to later editors they need not bother putting it back in. WLD 14:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Image question.
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Sorry to bother you on something so trivial, but you were the first username I saw. I asked someone to help me out and do something with a few pictures because I was having trouble doing it myself. The following two pictures, he says, look exactly the same (the way I wanted it), but it doesn't look that way on my computer, signifying that the upload didn't work properly. Could you just give me a quick yes/no as to whether the two pictures are the same?
commons:Image:Olympic flag.svg

Image:Flag of the Olympic Movement.svg
Thanks a bunch! → J @red 03:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I know CP is sleeping right now, so I'm taking the liberty of answering. Yes they are the same, and I've had this problem before, make sure you do a hard refresh between uploads, otherwise the old image will dispaly, making you think you haven't done it correctly. Good luck, psch e mp | talk 04:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you
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Hello Celestianpower, how are you? Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (88/3/1), so I am now an administrator. I am very humbled by your vote and grateful. Please let me know if at any stage you require assistance, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an administrator. Once again thank you and with kind regards Gryffindor 17:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you
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Thank you for your vote of confidence in my recent request for bureaucratship. Even though it didn't pass, I greatly appreciate your support and hope I will continue to have your respect. Thank you! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
You currently on IRC?
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Are you currently on IRC? I need to discuss something with you about admission to Esperanza. NSL E _(T+C) at 09:24 UTC (2006-04-03)
My RfA
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Hello Celestianpower/Full archive: Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 77/3/0. I hope I can perform at the standards expected for administrators. If I make any mistakes, or you need anything, please let me know. Prodego ^talk 01:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Bulbasaur
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The narration is Ok...but its quality is quite low as it is very soft. Thanks--Tdxi a ng 陈鼎翔 (Talk)Contributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Starfleet ranks and insignia
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I am currently underfire on this featured list candidacy with issues regarding copyrights.
I and other wikipedians recreated rank images that appeared on Star Trek listed at Starfleet ranks and insignia. The curent contravercy is weather or not should the recreation be considered a derivate work.
In my view simple geometric shapes (a circle or 4) cannot be copyrighted. And copyright concerns enter a grey are at best if not being examples of Copyright Paranoia.
I can understand if you prefer to stay away but I was wondering what do you thought regardless.
--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 17:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Something odd
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Oh, look at that. I'm absolutely baffled as to how it got there. -Zero^Talk 16:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
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Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2
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Barnstar Brigade

The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date:
"Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated."

Stress Alerts

The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them.

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The last AC meeting (full log)

The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details.

The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page.

The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly.

A plea from the editor...

The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there.

Signed...

Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Stressed?
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Hey, I noticed your last few changes. I'm sorry you feel that way, I hope you'll feel better soon. --Joann e B 22:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Something for the stress? --GraemeL ^(talk) 22:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thank you
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For copy editing my statement. I Lov E Plankton 12:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Borrowed commas
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Sometime back I borrowed two commas off of your user page - I took very good care of them and they have now grown up (one is semicolon and the other a percentile) and are proud parents of their own little commas - I would now like to return them to you with their offspring (principally because they are keeping me awake at night) ; % ,,,,, --Alf ^melmac 12:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Portal:Pokémon
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I have no clue what to do... the pictures are still in the archives (heheh) but I normally write everything on the Sunday.. which I didn't because I was unsure. Personally, I'd rather not update it without pictures and leave it where it is until this is sorted out. Thoughts? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 12:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

This page is an archive of the twenty-fourth 20 topics on my talk page, lodged between the 2006-04-11 and the 2006-04-16. Please do not modify this page. If you wish to revive a discussion here, please don't hesitate to copy it back to my current talk page and add your comment per my policy.
A KISS Rfa Thanks
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Thank you, I've been promoted. psch e mp | talk 01:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
My RFA
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Thanks for your vote.

Hi, this is Matt Yeager. I wanted to thank you for your vote on my request for adminship. The count was something like was 14/20/5 when I decided to withdraw the request. My decision was based on the fact that there are enough things wasting people's time on the Internet that doomed RFA's shouldn't be kept up for voters to have to think about. Regardless of the rationale behind your vote, I hope you will read this note for an extended note and discussion on what will happen before I make another try at adminship (I didn't want to clog up your userpage with drivel that you might not be interested in reading). Thank you very, very much for your vote and your time and consideration of my credentials--regardless of whether you voted support, nuetral, or oppose. Happy editing! Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 01:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Community Justice
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This is a notification reminding you all, especially councillors, that we are having a meeting where we will try to review progress so far and make a few decisions.
This meeting will be held on a wikipage, and well end on Saturday 15th April.
You can partake in the meeting here.
Thank you,
Computerjoe 's talk 17:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC) (Chairman of WP:CJ.)
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Charizard
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Congratulations. An article that you nominated has achieved Good Article status. You can view my evaluation on the talk page. - Corbin ∫ 1 ɱ p s ɔ ♫ ^{Rock on, dude!} 18:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you
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Thank you!
Hello Celestianpower/Full archive. Thank you for your support in my RfA! It passed with a final tally of 91/3/5. I am quite humbled and pleased by the community's show of confidence in me. If you need help or just want to talk, let me know. Cheers! -- F a ng Aili ^說嗎?
Torchic
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I thought it was good, but I never thought it would survive FAC.. I've not been here long enough to be able to combat everyone's opinions (there are a lot of Pokéhaters) and I'm hated by a lot of people. I always thought that people respected you and the fact that you nominated it meant something to those people, something I can't do.. I may, but I just get the feeling it'll get creamed.. I may though, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Should I? 19:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll do it by tonight, I'm currently working on Pikachu and it'll easily slide through GA by Friday. And I found out that we can't have the pictures on the portal.. great. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Done, can it be found here. If you have any like harems in your house, this would be a good time to make them get accounts.. Thank you for the shove, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think even read the whole article, oh well.. I'm doing them now. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
It's fine, I enjoy any comments that aren't me being screamed at (which is often). I've managed to find the rule on illegal evolutions (you have no idea the horror that is pokémon-tcg.com :P) and I'll keep looking. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 23:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Aha! I have outwitted Krill! I quote the Wikipedia policy -
"An edit counts as original research if it proposes ideas or arguments. That is, if it does any of the following:

It introduces a theory or method of solution;"
According to this I am allowed to write ""...most likely because of its initial popularity alongside the release of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire"... now that seem flawless! ¬_¬ Tell me why it isn't. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 23:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
The Pokéhaters have arrived... H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 23:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
It's just typical. I think I've fixed up either all or most of Kirill's quibbles (try saying that fast :P) so that's less trouble. I hope he comes back to check up, it's just our luck he won't. Do you think I should remove the note to the sprite designs? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 23:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Cel - 1...0 - Pokéhaters hehe :P I'll move it down to External (I added the Bulbapedia stuff there too). I'm still looking for stuff that says Torchic is a hard starter. I'm also still looking for something that says you can pick a starter Pokémon at the start :S Maybe people think it's obvious? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 00:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Tell that to Krill.. we're so going down "you haven't explained it's fictional enough".. yes, I know what he means. Just yesterday I was walking down the street and a fire-breathing chicken hopped pass me and attacked an OAP! :O H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 00:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Problems;
personality disorder Pokémonhaters abound

we're screwed

someone deleted the Pokémon Abilities article... template broken

Thoughts? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 09:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I meant the infobox.. the links is now red in around 200 articles. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, by the way, when is your masterpiece arriving? :P H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
What still needs done? It'd be easier to see if we could strike out the stuff we've done, but like that'll happen. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm beginning to feel out of my depth :P The only thing I can think of doing is adding more citation, I don't know how to deal with the other problems without more expansion.. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 11:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Why did you revert my edit? It was to my comment.... H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 13:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I see you've nominating more article for GA recently, any particular reason? I guess we do have some good articles we need to find, I think Weedle is nearly there too]]. Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 13:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'm working on it now. Could you upload a screenshot of something? I think they're getting mad because of the lack of pictures. Pikachu is nearly ready too, it needs the Cultural Impact to be written. There's notes but I've been doing everything else in it. (How many fecking manga series is that rat it?) I found another this morning... great :P By the way, how can we get Bulbasaur onto the main page if it's fair use? I know Spoo did but I don't know about the image.. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 13:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Where do you shop? :P Kirill's problems have all been sorted (he disagreed with you.. there's a suprise.) Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 14:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
For such toys.. nevermind. Warning, someone is taking the rip out of the Pokédex entry. I have a lovely response to him since he's taking all of that out context but I shouldn't probably argue.. thoughts? (PS - Can I start a new topic?) H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 14:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank god! I was getting sick of colons. Cool, Woolworths never has stuff like that now :P I probably shouldn't post it.. meh I'm past caring, ALoan tried as hard as he could to fail Bulbasaur and now he's judging Torchic against it. I wonder how long it'll take TA to arrive. Any ideas? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 14:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you're just making a mockery out of this. You're pulling this all right out of context!
"That is why their wings are clipped, you see, to stop then flying." Fine, I am sorry I didn't look this up, but haven't you heard of poetic liscence? (Nintendo not me)

"aerial battler" It has the words "Rather Than" infront of it. This is referring to when it evolves, or changes, into a stronger form, and you might think it would evolve into like an eagle or something similar, but it doesn't. Which is why the sentence reads: "and as it evolves into its later forms, Combusken and Blaziken, claws slowly protrude from the ends of its wings, making it a vicious fighter, rather than an aerial battler."

"It has a sac deep within its stomach, in which churns a super-heated fire, allowing it to give literal warm hugs to its trainers. This power also serves as its ammunition in battles." Fine, I'm not sure about the grammar, but adding it on at the end just sound right.. It is obvious that it's referring to the fire..

" The drawing and sprite design of Torchic was created by Ken Sugimori's team for its 2003 release on the Nintendo Game Boy Advance" That was moved from the intro to there, if you could suggest a better place for it we would love your view on the matter. Personally, that sentence is important, primarily because Bulbasaur was said to have a lack of information on the "Making Of" side of Bulbasaur.

I'm not going on because you are just making a mockery of this article. And for the last time, I know that Torchic and Bulbasaur are loosely connected, but just because they are you shouldn't compare with "drag of an article" with the beloved turtle with a pot plant attatched to its spine! FAC is supposed to judge an article based on itself, not another.
Oh well.. I stil don't like him.. he was just taking the rip out of it.. should I cite Torchic being in Trozei, pinball etc? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 14:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Anime, which is the only time it speaks. The call thing is from the Pokédex. I actually just threw it together because I was reading the old Bulby noms and I found the list of basic questions the article should answer. And one was "How does it talk?" so I just put that together. The rest of that paragraph is also from questions from the old nom. The manga Pokémon Cham-Chamo Pretty is actually named after Torchic's Japanese call "Chamo".. apparently. Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
PS - What do I do about the design stuff? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I've changed "flightless wings" to "weak wings" and I rewrote that paragraph to:
When Torchic communicates to other characters in the Pokémon anime, the only instance of Torchic actually speaking, it speaks by calling out in it's own unique language, which is comprised of the syllables "Tor" and "Chic".
It's still in the videogames section, which isn't the best place but I move it to the anime, that leaves a one sentence paragraph.. I'll look to see where I can shove the evolution thing and I'll move it down soon. And I'll move the design back up. Any other thoughts? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Or you know, you could do it XD H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Another "deletee", just great. If it isn't "this isn't as good as Bulbasaur" it's "DELETE! DELETE!".. *breaths* We're doing fine. I should really stop bugging you :P H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
"Yes, I'm doing fine" or "Yes, I'm bugging you"? *laughs* H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
So, how is Esperanza going? I was designing userbox templates for the Barnstar Brigade, which have been accepted as okay. Elections going well? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 16:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Kirill has replied, and he's taken away the minor object. He did note about the Books and DVDs, among other things, how exactly do you cite DVDs? I just took an educated guess from the books. Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 16:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I just the PCP tag :D Dear lord, what have you started.. I'm going to have to base "Pokémon of the Week!" on your toy collection, aren't I? :P H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Meh, Titox is starting to be a pain, which is my job. I actually think he's trying to turn it into a fanpage... H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
We have a problem... H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 11:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, hope things are going well. Just dropping a note to say thanks for adding the Torchic nom on all the relevant pages, at this stage we need any support we can get. Everking apparently asked Raul, but I don't know if anything came through, some of the votes are just daft. Can you actually object because the nominator isn't positive? You probably can, nevermind. Thanks again, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
You nommed yourself! You have gone mad :P I had a question, how can pull Torchic? Its too much stress, its either people complaining the lack of info that doesn't exist. Or trying to delete it. Or leaving messages on my talk page generally saying that it shouldn't pass. Or criticize my ability to write (I can write better in articles than my shining sentences here.) Anyway, I can't take it any more. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Perfect Dark
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Your wish is my command :) Soo 15:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Editing others comments?
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H! Excuse me, but I do not understand what you meant by <don't edit others comments>. Could you explain me, please? Thanks a lot, NorbertArthur 13 April 2006
Ok. I did not observe that. I mean, put it back what he did there. I noticed something: the part that user:Romanian posted to me today, is gone. It is you who remove it? Cheers, NorbertArthur 13 April 2006
Please don't delete my objections on the FAC
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Celestian, please don't delete my votes as well as the comments left by others. I have restored my objection as well as User:Everyking's comment, and made note of the deletion on the nomination.--Ataricodfish 12:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Apology accepted. I'll admit that I was upset to awaken this morning to see my objection deleted and was momentarily frazzled, but all's good. Despite my strong objection to the Torchic article, it has remained surprisingly civil so far, so I got over any negativity fast. I appreciate your apology, though. All the best, --Ataricodfish 14:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Esperanza Election
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Hi, I'm one of the candidates for the elections. I just wondered if there were any rules as such, I mean I would like to leave a message say on eligible voters' talk pages, to let them know a little about me and my views on Wikipedia and Esperenza. Is this allowed? --Wisd e n17 13:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Probably not a good idea. Campaigning is discouraged on Wikipedia for anything. Anyone who is intrested can see your statemnt on the page, that should be good enough. psch e mp | talk 14:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: Oh My God
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He he... yeah, I pop in here and there. I'm not doing much. Just some spelling errors and such. There is a slight chance that I could become more active during the summer like I was last year. So, how is everything? Acetic Acid 23:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Chatting is more important than perfecting the world's greatest encyclopedia? :o Congrats on your test results. Those sound like the equivalent of our AP tests, which I also have coming up (English Composition and U.S. History). Good luck on your others. I'm sure you'll do well. As for me, I'm okay. This time of year is so stressful (SAT I and II, our school's musical, prom, the AP tests, driving school, charity walks, etc). Luckily, it's April Vacation, so I can get everything in order. Oh yeah, nice work with Bulbasaur! I shall check those heated discussion archives out. Acetic Acid 00:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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Articles--original research?!
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Some days ago, I wrote an article for Wikipedia titled Arrishtotolo Suleymanokh "Harry S. Fulmonovich about a newly-proposed fictional character for The Archie Comics Universe, but it got deleted by request from Gwernol.
I operate a website on 50MEGS.com called The Archie Comics Universe [ where I feature a Harry & Saranda section—along with those (of course) for Archie, Sabrina, Josie & The Pussycats, and others, and a well-stocked page of Archie Comics-related links. My website has been operating for about 4½ years now, and I do get considerable traffic to it.
The newly-proposed series Harry & Saranda is based on 2 different (but closely related) stories found in Archie's Pals-N-Gals Double Digest comics magazine: the 6-page I've Grown Accustomed To Your Customs [issue 17—1996] story that features Prince Rolando of Fosnia with his small entourage visiting Lodge Mansion in the northern reaches of Riverdale, and the 22-page 4-part Riverdale Redux [issue 24—1997], a novellette that introduced the female co-star of the new series, Saranda Yates Jones. This new comics series unites Saranda (from Riverdale Redux) with this new character Harry, a young naturalized American citizen who immigrated from Fosnia (a fictional realm that would be located in the northwest Caspian Sea shore region inside Russia—somewhere strectching from Saratov to Astrakhan). There're also characters, like: Pavlo (Esq.), a recent emigrate to Scotland; Mrs. Vashti Granoble, a retired secretary; Judge Jack Bookum (also from Riverdale Redux) and his wife Marie, amongst others.
Would an article based partly on previously-published works with some research be within Wikipedia's guidelines?! Please weigh in on it... Thank You!
RobScholar 18:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)=RobScholar
Re:Esperanza elections
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I thought about it, but I think I'd like to establish myself a bit more before running. Probably next time 'round. Thanks, though! :) -- Nataly a 01:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I just saw you've got an RfB going - good luck!!! -- Nataly a 01:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Your RfB
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Hi CP. Just letting you know that I fixed a typo in one of the comments you made regarding your request for bureaucracy. I know it's not cool to edit another user's comments but it was clear you had just pressed the wrong key (plus you saying your first ever edit was made tomorrow just bugged me :)). Good luck with the request. Yours Rje 07:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Is there a way?
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Hi CelestialPower, I recently joined wikipedia, so I don’t know a lot about all the functions that I can use, so I was wondering…is there any way I can change my username without losing my talk messages, post counts, etc.? When I first made an account on wikipedia, I didn’t think I’d do much editing, but now that I do edit a lot, I think it’d be a nice to have a username that I really like (instead of just EKN). EKN 04:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)EKN

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Happy Easter!
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(or whatever alternative celebration of northern hemisphere spring you choose to engage in)

It's bunny time - Happy Easter Celestianpower! (I recommend another chocolate bunny help the eggs go down). --Alf ^melmac 16 April 2006

Happy Easter!
--Misza 13 ^{T C} 10:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's hoping that if the bunny leaves you any beans they're this kind! ++Lar: t/c 14:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)]]

Moe is here to say Happy Easter! -- —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 14:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Just happy Easter wishes (or whatever it is that you celebrate) from a fellow Esperanza member to another. —Mir l e n 18:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter/Have a good Passover/Have a nice day...or this bunny will eat you :) Wh e re ^(talk) 15:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. — FireFox • T [15:50, 16 April 2006]
DYK
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Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Mingarry Castle, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

—Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 02:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
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File:Esperanza.Birthday.gif
Esperanza congratulates you on a first edit anneversary!!

Happy first edit day! (^'-')^ Covington 03:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi CP, happy first edit day from me too! --Joann e B 09:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
OMG First edit day, celebration overload phffzzzzzzztttttt --Alf ^melmac 09:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day! --Misza 13 ^{T C} 10:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!!!!! -SB rools ^(talk)

Happy Wikibirthday!! And also a belated Happy Easter. (anyway today is Easter Monday. ;)) --Ter e nc e Ong 14:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Torchic!
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Cel, someone's deleted the Torchic FAC on the FAC page. Do you know what happened? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for coming back again (I think you're beginning to blank me) but I found out what happened. Raul deleted because "It didn't have a single support" and I was to "fix all the problems then renominate" and he explained the length of the nomination was because my lack of ability to write. Great, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 11:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
DocGlasgow
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Doc Glasgow has now delete both 'Template: User AmE-0' and 'Template: User-AmE-0' Jooler 10:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Not quite true. I deleted the more offensive one (User-AmE-0). But the other (User AmE-0), over which I said I would not revert war with CP, was actually deleted by JamesF, I merely removed Jooler's recreation [12]. --Doc ^ask? 12:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
My RFA
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Many thanks for your support of my RFA, which passed narrowly. I will try to be worthy of your trust. Regards, Kaisershatner 20:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Community Justice/Elections
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As Wikipedia:Community Justice has over 30 members, we are beginning the elections process.
If you are interested in becoming the chairman, the chief executive or councillor please add yourself, and a statement, to Wikipedia:Community Justice/Elections.
Voting shall begin on April 24th, and end on May 1st. To see if you are eligible for a vote, please see Wikipedia:Community Justice/Elections.
Thank you,
Computerjoe 's talk 21:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Happy first edit day
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Taking the message of Esperanza to heart, I have decided to personally wish a happy (insert particular anniversary) to everyone who leaves such a notice on the Esperanza calendar. It's still (just barely) April 17 where I live, so Happy First Edit Day! RyanG e rbil10 04:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Help me for a second please
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I am fourteen applying for the National Honor Society at my school and need somebody from Wikipedia to write a short 1-2 paragraphs verfying that I have been doing things on wikipedia. Here are my contributions. Here is my edit count. I do a lot of things and really love wikipedia since two years ago I found it. I'm on the counter-vandalism team, esperenza, and all that good stuff. Somehow I find wikifying and merging a bit fun. I know you haven't known me for long (5 seconds), but, I sent a message to four other Wikipedians I know and they haven't responded. I need it in at least 11 hours from now. Thank you very much!! -- Mac Davis] ⌇☢ ญƛ. 07:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Grace Note's vote on your RfB
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Hi CP,
I think that was a fairly shabby thing to do, and just thought I'd drop by with a note of encouragement. Without trampling WP:NPA, I can safety call Grace Note an oddly gruff person (I remember being called "fucking ridiculous" by the editor for no particular reason.) Please don't take the comment to heart, and know that you are well-respected and loved, even among the opposers. :) Best wishes, Xoloz 17:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
CJ election reminder
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Hi Celestianpower

I noticed that you are not registered for voting or nomination in the CJ elections, and would like to remind everyone that all Candidates Must Submit Their Statement By April 23rd. Voting will begin April 24th, and end May 1st. More details on how to nominate yourself can be found HERE.

I hope to see you at the elections!

• The Giant Puffin • 20:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks from Petros471
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For a more general RfA thanks to all voters see User:Petros471/RFA Thanks.
I'll officially note here that you provided my favourite support reason (well it made me laugh the most anyway!). Cheers, Petros471 20:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you
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I appreciate your kind words. It was quite a blow to see both of the articles I had featured be nominated one after the other. Fortunately, Crash test dummy passed the vett, though Weather lore lost. Your support helped keep me going - I have written three or four new articles since. D e nni ☯ 04:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for giving me the hope to join
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Re: "If you can show consistently that you have reformed, I can re-investigate the case in a couple of months time..."
Those words mean very much to me; I thank you wholeheartedly and will never forget them. I feel much relieved now and will try my absolute best. I'll also read about Esperanza and every aspect of it in the meantime. --Shultz IV 10:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
(addendum) On June 3rd, what should I do? Should I contact you first or can I add myself to the list right then? Again, thanks. I'm glad Esperanzian membership isn't permanently closed to previously blocked users. --Shultz IV 09:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Admin coaching
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I hope it's not too late to enlist your help in coaching me to be an admin. The timing has been a bit tricky. I was right in the middle of working on Olympics pages when Mysekurity had first contacted me and then right in the middle of the final lead up to my mom's wedding when you re-contacted me. I hope that now the stars have aligned and we can get working on this.
I'm very interested in an evaluation on whether or not you would consider me a good admin candidate. For a large part of my time here at Wikipedia, I've been working on a largely neglected, but relatively uncontroversial, section of Wikipedia - The Olympics pages. Up until a couple of months ago, the work didn't involve a lot of talk page discussion, "project" work, or anything else. However, a certain user raised a bit of a ruckus and I became more involved in other aspects.
Along the way, I also gained a new mission. Many of the Olympic athlete pages contained pictures that were obvious violation of copyright, poorly tagged and just an overall mess. This led me to the larger project of cleaning up untagged images.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sue Anne 22:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
AC election comments
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I would also prefer it if you deleted the comments, but as you said that would be controversial. :) I Lov E Plankton 13:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Election staff
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Excuse me — but why can't the election staff vote? F e tofs ^Hello! 14:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I find it strange that we need some kind of illusion at Esperanza, as most Esperanzaians wouldn't care anyway... But I respect your decisions. F e tofs ^Hello! 14:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
But in the Wikipedia sense of the word, neutral means a neutral point of view :) It's strange how it's difficult to pass sarcasm on the net... F e tofs ^Hello! 14:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
RfB and penguins
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Sorry to see that your RfB didn't work out. I'm sure the next time, when (not if! You will have to make a second red link now that that first one went blue) you are back up for it it will go better. And if you can't be a bureaucrat, you might as well have a funny looking penguin! :) -- Nataly a 17:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

From Talk:Charizard
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What!? You’ve never heard of Frenzy Plant or Volt Tackle? Frenzy Plant is the Grass EHB from the Cape Brink move tutor. Volt Tackle is an Electric attack with recoil damage. If you breed two Pikachu while one is holding a Light Ball, the Pichu will hatch knowing Volt Tackle. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 07:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm much, much more clued up on the original games (the best :P). --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 12:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Have you tried FireRed and LeafGreen? I never actually finished G/S/C/Ru/Sa... I liked them OK, but the last one I had actually finished was Yellow. Then I picked up FR & LG for the hell of it- and I got totally hooked. Nostalgic, fun, all the charm of the originals with most of the best elements of the others, plus wireless play and 7 extra islands. And I played as a girl in LG, which was fun. I like her hat. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 19:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Old Skool Esperanzial note
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Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I report Mission Accomplished, sir! Misza 13 ^{T C} 21:35, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

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Old Skool Esperanzial note
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Thanks for the note.. I never would have guessed :P H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thanq
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Thanks for personally delivering the messages. That had to be a pain, I'm flattered to see someone take up the task and do it well.--The i kiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说話し parlar) 22:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
If only we had a bot for this kind of thing! Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 16:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
IRISH WIKIPEDIAN CENSORSHIP
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Dear Sir or Madam:
There is a concerted effort by various other editors (Demiurge, who is a Catholic apologist and wannabe censor, Ali-oops, Camillus, Jtdirl, and others) to censor my edits, not to attempt to refute, correct or improve them, which they cannot, because they are the truth. Even when I provide sources/citations they are dismissed. If you review my last edit re the below-referenced wikipages in question you will see what I mean.
They call me a POV peddler and a sockpuppet, but why do they delete my edits entirely w/o even reading them? Why do they delete messages I leave on other Wikipedians' discussion pages??
Let's see some evidence for this "deleting messages", please. Camillus (talk) 00:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Well I am not a computer scientist, like some, and I can't prove it--I can only tell you that I have left messages on other Wikipedian's discussion pages, and when I checked back, knowing that Demiurge (most likely) has the power to delete such messages, I have found them gone, deleted. And I don't think the individuals in question deleted my messages themselves in disgust, as that is not Wikipedia protocol.
72.11.217.43 00:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Look I don't like them and they don't like me, but this censorship must end if Wikipedia is to be what it was envisioned to be.
The most contentious pages are:
Tim Pat Coogan

Celtic F.C.

Michael Cusack

Irish neutrality

Ustase

Irish-Scots

Pre-Code (ironically all about movie censorship)
Thank you, 72.11.217.43 00:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
This is yet another sock-puppet of User:[email protected], see recent Wikipedia:Requests for comment/[email protected]. An RfA was also followed, but an admin decided that there was no need for arbitration, and banned Rms by acclimation, given his history of disgusting personal attacks and virulent POV pushing. This latest sock even went to the stage of attacking me personally in the article namespace of Irish-Scots.
Untrue-- I referred to Mr. McElhinney as a "noted social and computer scientist". 72.11.217.43 00:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to phase him in the slightest that not a single Scottish or Rangers-supporting wikipedian has supported this American's edits of this article or Celtic F.C. article, on the contrary, they have reverted his blatant sectarian POV edits - in fact a respected Rangers-supporting Wikipedian was subjected to a disgusting attack for reverting his vandalism.
What was the attack?? Proof?? Where is he?? 72.11.217.43 00:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
As for "constant contention" - this is disingenuous at best, given that he has found not a single other editor to agree with his bile. Camillus (talk) 00:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
As I say if Celestianpower wishes he/she can review my edits him/herself and see what I have written and what I can back up. And the contention I referred to was between myself and these wannabe censors/apologists. By the way, if they aren't harrassing and stalking me through wikicberspace, how did Camillus know I had left you a message, and why did he feel the need to respond here if I am so discredited a person??
72.11.217.43 00:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/[email protected] as well as his recent arbitration case. Please also see User_talk:Demiurge, User_talk:Ali-oops/Robert_Sieger and [13]. Robert, you are completely uninterested in collaborating with other editors. You've been banned already. You use sock-puppets and various IP addresses (like this one) to evade that and to simply revert to your POV version of everything. You also have at least a dozen editors checking up on you at this stage. Frankly, I'm not surprised. - Ali-oops ^✍ 06:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Old Skool?
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I was wondering what "old skool" referred to. Could you shed some light on this for me please? ~Linuxerist E/L/T 01:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
curiosity is cool
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Hello, I was browsing through user pages again, trying to know stuff about people :-p, and I discovered Esperanza on your user page. I'm a bit (well, more than a bit) curious, and would like to know what it is about. For example, what kind of actions has been taken by it. I saw the official blahblah about linking those needing hope with those providing it and was wondering if I could put a request for girlfriend there. More seriously, what is it? Thanks :-) Kipmaster 09:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
DEMIURGE--HISTORY OF CENSORSHIP AND MANIPULATION
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There is an editor on Wikipedia, Demiurge, who is a Catholic apologist and a censor. He/she has been caught red-handed by third-party Wikipedians trying to gut or censor anything he doesn't like (such as Ante Pavelic -- he tried to delete the categories of "Roman Catholic" and "war criminal" from Pavelic's site). He/she also took it on himself to demolish a wikipage called "Domestic terrorism in the United States", which I created, because he/she didn't like what it had to say about the Irish -- namely that the Irish were responsible for the three largest incidents of domestic terrorism in the U.S. (The Draft Riots, the bombing of the Los Angeles Times Building in 1910, and the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building). He had it separated by topic to diminish the strength of the page. He also tried to gut the page called "Pre-Code" which was about, ironically, censorship of American movies by guess who!!! He wanted to remove any mention of the Roman Catholic church's role in movie censorship since 1934, and they had virtually the only role until the Production Code ceased to exist!!
It was Demiurge who started RfC and RfA against me, and he tried to posit that I was not allowed to edit while these were pending against me, an assertion rejected by "Bridesmill", another Wikipedian editor, regarding the refugee policies of the Eamon de Valera government during WWII.
Are you going to allow this censor and Catholic apologist and his supporters to collude and to determine what Wikipedians can and cannot read using boilerplate nonsense like "POV" to justify their censorship and manipulation??
I was banned from Wikipedia apparently because of my intemperate and injudicious exchanges with other editors, which Demiurge exploited. I admit that I can be hot-headed and injudicious in my language, which is always extemporaneous. The real reason, of course, for certain editors acting against me was to censor me.
I did not even bother to "attend" the arbitration hearing, but the only reason given for my being banned was that I had "exhausted the patience of the community" because I refused to allow them to censor and manipulate history. I was not accused of being untruthful or being a vandal. I said at my RfC that I would not back down unless I was proved wrong. How can I do otherwise when I know I am right, and even provide sourced/cited info. to back up my arguments to a mob determined to label anything they don't like as "POV", an abuse you might want to consider looking into.
You should review the history of "Demiurge"'s edits (which include edits against even "Anaraug"'s very modest and reluctant attempts at truthfulness on the Coogan page) and see what I am talking about.
Demiurge is a censor and a Catholic apologist, and what he/she will be able to do if he/she ever becomes an administrator is scary to contemplate.
R. Sieger [email protected]

Banes's withdrawal
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Celestianpower,
As you may or may not be aware, Banes has withdrawn from the Esperanza Advisory Council elections. I have honored his wishes and done my best to withdraw his candidacy. As I have never been a part of the election staff before, I'm not entirely sure whether I did everything right as far as procedure goes (where to post the withdrawn votes, removal from the tally, etc.), but I did what made sense to me. Let me know if there was anything I should have done differently. Thanks! E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 06:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikihalo
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Congratulations! You have been nominated for a Wikihalo award. The details of your nomination can be found here. If you accept or decline the nomination, then please express this in the space provided on the page.

Good luck!
(laughs) Hey Cel, I was going to award you a wikihalo but it turns out you have to go through a proces... so I've decided to take the rip out of a wikihalo with a nomination! :P It looks kinda... dead. So all we have to do is vote and then close it in two weeks. Enjoy, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
It's an award that like 3 people have had, 2 of them being Angela and Jimbo... just accept and smile. (giggles) Foo-bar :P H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Art GCSE
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I hope all went/goes well! -- Nataly a 21:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

For some inspiration...
Cheater! :O H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
LOL! Thanks you too. It went better than expected. Hey, as to an image, try one of the ones from Max Ernst, the artist I'm studying :P. Regards, --Cel es tianpower ^háblame 20:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
My art room looks incredibly because there is brown sugar paper over everything my lazy art teacher couldn't be fecked to bring down. He's incredibly bizarre.. but good. Unlike my class.. "So we're drawing this flower not for it's structure, but it's fragility. Why are we drawing it Sam?".. "For it's structure!" ¬_¬ H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Adminship
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Hey Cel, I was thinking about RfA for one day in the future and I was wondering you had any pointers or tips about what to do more of or when to apply. Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for protecting Pokémon. Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 10:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Esperanza logo
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Would it be possible to have the esperanza logo floating on the esperanza page like you do on your userpage? Just think it might be a nice addition. MyNam e IsNotBob 03:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Please help
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Hi, i joined Esperanza recently, I have been a wikipedian for 3 months and helped promote JRR Tolkien to featured :) That's a little about me.
I want to request your help, as I am being abused by other wikipedians. I changed to label on Arsenal of democracy from "cleanup" to "NPOV" and another specific cleanup tag, as I thought it would be good to have specific things to clean up, and the article was generally very praising of FDR in a POV way. I recieved about an hour ago a huge diatribe from User:FrankB calling me all kinds of names, and I told him to leave me alone and he has refused, continuing to make dozens of insults against me, and I am flabbergasted as to what I have done that would cause this. Judgesurreal777 21:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've asked FrankB for his side of the story and gave Judge a wikihug. Hope everything's okay. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's the rest of the story
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As far as I'm concerned this is already a done deal, as my last post User talk:Judgesurreal777 includes at least two different apologies; I'll add one in here to you for sucking you in, because I did dump some frustrations. My HOT issue was not content, but one of failing to properly document in any acceptable manner the reasons for adding a npov template. I've spent several long periods traipsing back through history pages (e.g. Davy Crockett, and see Here) because of careless, thoughtless editing and summaries without leaving a record for the rest of us to follow; Note the similar comments in the below link to HereToHelp, who certainly knows better!

My basic pov on this, is if people are going to make such accusations (NPOV), they need to take responsibility and be held accountable to the rest of us for our time. So I was calling J-77 to account,pure and simple, but he apparently is uncomfortable with defending his behavior and actions.

Work herein is not some student assignment that people can or should be making half an effort on, and 'just turning it in' so the assignment won't count against some cumulative quiz grade. This wikiproject is part of the real world, some of us think it an important part.

Mistakes or actions of any sort may and do cost other real people real valuable discretionary time— thus leaving a edit trail in our work papers (to use an accounting term), 'our talk pages', is elementary and fundamental.

I'll again apologize for YOUR time, but maybe you can make these points to J-77, as he seems to be ignoring mine!

I find it offensive when someone assumes they can demand extra time from the rest of us for their unwillingness to be professionally thorough and complete. This is not a student assignment— it's volunteer work— emphasize WORK— not some game to see how fast one can build up edit counts, or do something to feel important.

Turns out I made a factual 'error', if you will, which was memory related. HereToHelp (See here) actually added the original npov template2 to a single statement. J-77's change (was unnecessary) 'damned' the whole article— but in the diff today that's all I saw sans documentation, the change made by 'J-77' (changed THAT to a general condemnation). (I haven't figured out why removing the one and replacing with the other doesn't show. None-the-less, I invited a whole boatload of people into comment on this nascent article just last week, and POV wasn't raised at all... so THAT FACT generates the rest of the heat when stoked and supercharged by J-77 posting NO RATIONALE OR COMMENTS whatever.

The clean vs. unref template change is a trifle, and as you can see, HtH's absence is also an issue on the original matter.

Frankly, I wish I'd never conceived of the article, I've too many other WikiIrons in the fire, and it had already disrupted most of two weeks work, even before HtH added the summation— which is the apparent target of J-77.

While I let a bit of accumulated frustration out using terms such as disrespecting others time, unprofessional, irresponsible, etc. about the ACTION more than calling names (I did use 'clown' and some other 'name' in a literary emphasis sense- it seemed better than the swear word I had in mind!)— in short I gave a dressing down for lack of consideration due to a careless, thoughtless edit— one which was in general still deserved —but see for yourself, the whole thread is here, but I see you've already seen it. So what more is to say?

My POV, is 'Michael' should revert the edit. I don't do reverts, I discuss, however forcefully. He thinks I'm badgering him. I said what I meant to say.

Thankyou for YOUR time, but this is a general issue, and I will confront irresponsible editors acting like high schoolers. Apparently, J-77 hasn't entered the workplace either, or getting a good chewing out wouldn't have him running for a protector.
Best wishes, FrankB 01:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I've linked to this section on WP:BOLD Section, so please check the link after archiving this. Thanx FrankB 06:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
A favor please
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Hello friend, do you remember me? In the month of September 2005, your vote had made me an administrator. we all know that the life here is exciting and full of challenges. I would request you to please spare fem moments for me, and favor me with your comments and suggestions (here please) on my performance as a wikipedian. Let us continue to build the Better than the Best global encyclopedia. Thank you and regards. --Bhadani 10:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
SOS for Sam Spade
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Dear Celestianpower, There's an rfc on Sam Spade. They are sitting around and eating cookies while they hurl insults and make dumb yuccy social worker type comments about him. I actually feel like throwing up. Can you help him? Thanks, thewolfstar 18:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)Maggie
Election issue
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Celestianpower,
I wanted to get your opinion/ruling on an issue with confirming the election results. Cyde Weys placed a vote but is not on the members list for the election. I talked to him and he says that he did not put his name on the list because the list is used for spamming. Obviously we see him around quite a bit, including in the Esperanza IRC channel, but is he technically a member, and should his vote count? Thanks for your time, and let me know what you think. E WS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
This is Moe
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Hello Avriette, just thought I would let you know that I was leaving Wikipedia, but before I left, I finally got a picture of thyself of onto Wikipedia. (I know great timing for me to post a picture of myself, right?) This is my final gift to my friends. Later! PS. Try not to laugh to hard at my ugly mug ok? Moe ε 15:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, CP
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Just wanted to see how you're doing. I saw your EA announcement on my talk page...I'm obviously not paying much attention to those anymore, but it reminded me of you (since you sent it, heh) and I wanted to check in and say hi. Hope everythings going well for you! Best wishes--ViolinGirl^♪ 20:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
And grrrr! that wasn't a reply, it was a "hi" in the edit summary. Out of habit I suppose. :rolls eyes: Ciao!--ViolinGirl^♪ 20:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, I really have left (Wikipedia), but as you can see in my contributions, some things/people have called me back for a while. Anyway, glad everything is going well...I think about you once in a blue moon and wish the best. Everything's pretty much going well around here...violin's keeping me busy as usual. Played in my first competition last Saturday and won fourth prize, so that was fun. And, what a neat thing: {{subst:smile}} Cute template. Thanks! Okay, have a nice day!--ViolinGirl^♪ 21:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
A landslide victory for The JPS (aka RFA thanks)
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Hey, Celestianpower/Full archive, thank you so much for your vote and comments in my RfA, which passed with an overwhelming consensus of 95/2/2. I was very surprised and flattered that the community has entrusted me with these lovely new toys. I ripped open the box and started playing with them as soon as I got them, and I've already had the pleasure of deleting random nonsense/attacks/copyvios tonight.
If I ever do anything wrong, or can help in some way, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, and I will do my best to correct my mistake, or whatever...
Now, to that bottle of wine waiting for me...

The JPS ^{talk to me} 22:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

FAC Help
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Hi, Celestianpower. I know you have your plate full by being administrator general and everything, but I was wondering if you could review an article for me. The article is National College Athletics Association (Phillipines), and it's currently on FAC. The nom is a bit vote-poor, so I was wondering if you had time, you could review the article and cast a vote. I'm open to criticism, and would actually welcome it. The only problem is sourcing. For that, you;d have to contact the original author, Circa 1900. Thanks for your time, RyanG e rbil10 03:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Kizilbash
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Admin, your help is needed in the above mentioned article. User:Grandmaster is ignoring major sources and pushes for a Turkish-nationalistic POV. Tajik 20:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

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Box Fix Need
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You're a wiz with HTML... Got the same handle on WikiP's version? I'd like to park this over under the archives table, on the right side... user talk:fabartus#BoxFixNeed I can't seem to find the secret on text boxes for keeping them to the right. You can delete the temporary heading with my blessings!
Thanks, FrankB 22:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I've moved it to the right under your archives, but I can't find a way to slot it directly below, if that's what you wanted. Hope I helped, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Noted.
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I note that you've apologised to the community. We all went wrong in our own way, we all can learn from our mistakes and do better. I'm glad you've realised this too. — nathanrdotco m ^{(Got something to say? Say it.)} 19:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3
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Administrator Coaching

The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service.
This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins.

Stressbusters

The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome!

Note from the editor

As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log)

Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel.

A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect.

Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct.

Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop.

Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon.

Signed...

Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture
20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

irc and such
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My 'puter seems to be throwing a hissy fit.. back soon. --F a ng Aili ^說嗎? 18:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Celestian, reporting from the library. I can't find Messad (or Messaad) on any of the Algeria maps I found at the library. There is a town called "Hassi Messaoud" but its population is under 10K. According to the atlas I'm looking at, Hassi Messaoud is near Ouargla.
For some reason I'm really determined to get to the bottom of this. --F a ng Aili ^說嗎? 19:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
No idea.. after some Googling I believe that Messad and Hassi Messaoud are two different places, but that still doesn't explain why I can't find it on the dang map. --F a ng Aili ^說嗎? 20:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Taizé
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➨ ≡Я Ξ DVΞRS≡ awards this Barnstar to Celestianpower for introducing me to Taizé, whatever that is when it's at home ;o)

Thanks :)
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Celesianpower is awarded this Resiliant Barnstar for doing his very best to help Esperanza as Admin General. -- Nataly a 00:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Celestian Power.
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Hi, Celestianpower. I'm Daniel5127. I just have something to tell you. I put my ID in the Esperanza for becoming member of Esperanza. So, Someone needs to check other's ID and put their ID in the member of Esperanza. So, Could you check their ID in Esperanza? Send me message about this. Daniel5127, 04:49, 9 May 2006(UTC)
Maybe you could shed some light?
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Hi there. Perhaps you could contribute some insights here: Wikipedia:Abuse reports#Internet for Learning Seeing as, like it or not, you are somehow connected to these IP's. Thanks. --woggly 16:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
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Thanks for fixing the date, I just found out it was archived on the 7th and took an educated guess. How are things going? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 13:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Ps - I added your last star to your trophy cabinet. Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 13:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm in, I'm out box
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Hey Cel. I'm just curious as to how the "I'm in" box on your user and talk pages works. Do you manually have to go into your page each time you change the box or is there some other way that it's programed to change? If so, could you let me know how it works? Thanks! → J @red 01:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Today.
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Today, I've become the member of Esperanza right now. But, I need to know about the way of making friends in Esperanza. I think you know a lot, because you are involved in Esperanza. Therefor, I need to more about using Esperanza. Could you send me message? Please, send me message about the way of making friends in Esperanza. Ok? Cheers!! Daniel5127, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:-)
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Wh e re ^(talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}} or {{subst:smile2}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

Pikachu
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Man that toy is dirty. ; ) H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
It's kitsch. :P I need to go a hunting for pictures for somewhere for that to go. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you see the Zbtb7 debate at Talk:Pokémon, someone is preaching about consensus. Thanks, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
We have a serious problem. Good luck, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 06:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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Quentin Smith has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

Never get talk pages anymore.
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Hah, made you a liar. Regards, -JCarriker 11:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
RfA Thank You!
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Thanks CP,
I am honored by your support in my recent successful request for adminship. As an administrator, I am your servant, ready to help however I can. (In your case, since you've had the tools longer than I, my best use might be menial labor!) My talk page is always open; should you need anything, or should you see me making a mistake -- probably a common occurrence -- please do let me know. I will depend on the good sense of the community to keep me from making a complete fool of myself! :) In gratitude, Xoloz 15:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
PS. I'm so sorry you were insulted for your style of supporting. I've always found it quite cute myself, and seeing on my own RfA made the experience extra special! :)
regarding WP:BEANS
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Hi, CP. You quite rightly pointed out the WP:BEANS guideline at my RfA. It's always struck me, however, that the principle behind WP:BEANS should mean that it is never cited, since it, too, by advising people not to do something might infact inspire the foolish to do what it advises against. I thought you might enjoy the irony, but didn't want to clutter up my RfA with anymore silliness. :-) Bucketsofg✐ 19:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
LOL. Now, that's funny. Bucketsofg✐ 20:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Bon chance!
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Good luck with your upcoming exams! I can imagine what you'll be going through for the next month (I'll be going through similar stuff), and I wish you the best of luck. — FireFox (U T C) 19:58, 19 May '06
Revise
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Revise you, or you'll fail... okay you won't get 100%. You need something 16% to get a 5 in math exams. Meh. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Very impressive. I'm good at maths, but better at English, apparently I could the credit exam right now. Alas no such luck in the system. Good luck, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Esperanza
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I would like to join this, if possible. I noticed that your society is against personal attacks of people. I feel the same way too. When one is attacked personally, it is impossible for one to respond, as to do so one would breach Wikipedian rules. Then, one unfortunately loses the argument immediately due to non contest. Wallie 08:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Which list? The main one? Do I have to go before any membership committee? Wallie 08:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
OK. I did it. Where's my free beer? Wallie 08:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
OK. Thank you very much. Wallie 08:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bookofjude
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I have removed your additional question from Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bookofjude; the question was in no way relevant to the candidate's suitability for adminship. While adminship may be "no big deal," RfA is an important community process, and should be treated with respect by all contributors, especially administrators. The fad of pressing candidates with needless, irrelevant questsions is disruptive to the proper functioning of the RfA process. While I respect and encourage editors to engage in friendly banter, and do not object to the injection of humor into supporter's comments, I'm afriad the line must be drawn somewhere. Please consider asking the candidate a more relevant question that will help others gain more insight into his qualifications for adminship. Yours, Essjay (Talk • Connect) 09:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Your comments on User_talk:Bookofjude#Question are entirely inappropriate; it is my responsibility as a bureaucrat to see that Requests for adminship functions without being disrupted. The community has discussed the issue of irrelevant candidate questions extensively and has expressed the opinion that they are disruptive to the process. I was respectful enough to offer you an explanation here of my removal; I do not appreciate in the least your attacking me on other users talk pages. If you have issues with me, then User talk:Essjay is the first place you should raise them. I quite frankly expected more of you, and am greatly disappointed. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 09:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I still think asking Tito his favourite flavour of crisps was your high point ; ) H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Best of luck
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With the exams. Try not to let your WP addiction interfere too much. ;-) --GraemeL ^(talk) 11:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey, celestian.
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Remember me? From the LS Wiki? Well, I've got a question. See, there's this person from a website I go to, the Rare Witch Project, where he was banned fopr acting inappropriately. 10 times. Now, he's taking his battles to wikipedia. First he trolled the RWP wiki page as "stylesr," now he's trolling me as "Deathvader." He claimed my IP address was "trolling," and gave the edit time as "05:49 May 16 2006." If you look at the contributions,there is no edit at that time.
I'm tired of this guy taking his anger from the RWP on to other sites. Is there anything you can do about it? Let me know on either of my talk pages (my IP, or my actual usertalk page). Thanks.--Bottles98 12:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Esperanza
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Hi. I added myself to the Stressbusters page. Is that OK, since I am only a small fish here. I feel that I can help there, as I rarely get stressed out myself. Well, I do get stressed out, but only when I pretend to be able to do something that is way beyond my capabilities. (See WP:Bullshitting) Wallie 14:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
A smile for you
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Randy Johnston has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

Thank-you
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The count is in, and now I join the crew who wield the mops and pails.

Thanks for your support! I pledge to serve both you and Jimbo Wales.

If you have anything you need, then please don't think to hesitate.

For I am the very model of a grateful admin designate!

♫Bucketsofg✐♪

Hi
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I hope you saw my reply on Morale. The Aidan case was another issue. Jtdirl thought I was referring to him. Well I was not. It is so easy for people to get the wrong idea, and worse still get sidetracked. I am concerned about these issues still, and that's why I joined Esperanza. Wallie 20:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Moo!
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You get a cowstar for being SUPERGREAT!
--217.134.237.125 20:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

A question about banning
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I've seen a lot of users that have tons of warnings and bans for vandalism, but their bans keep expiring and they come back and keep vandalising (for example this user). Why doesn't Wikipedia just permanently ban these people? Mirage5000 07:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Revision
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Get on with it! --pgk^(talk) 19:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Pikachu
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Hey Cel, can you have a look at Talk:Pikachu? Someone's on a crusade about Eagun's Pikachu being at least 40, and I removed because it's a pointless fan statement and it's original research and it was the anime section to start with. Thanks, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Ever wise, thank you. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine I'll try ; ) H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I love you orchard. Are they regular or crab apples? : P H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
MetaWiki
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Why don't you run for Admin on MetaWiki after getting 100 edits on it? I will nominate you. You sound like a nice Wiki-an.-DictatorWikipedia should be a totalitarian state with me in command!G a n g staEB---02:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Finally, an userbox compromise that seems popular
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I think we've come up with something that's got overwhelming support. Please chime in here. --Dragon695 05:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
RfA
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I notcied that you've left messages for Zappa.jake on his talk page, so I thought you mihgt want to vote in his RfA at WP:RFA. ShortJason 15:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for ShortJason's advertising. Normally most people consider it unacceptable to advertise RfAs (Requests for Adminship) on people's talk pages. I have asked him to stop here. Regardless, now that it's here, if you do wish to vote, do so here. Sorry, zappa.jak e (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
*waves pitiful white flag*
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Can you have a look? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 16:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Eureka! (ka-ka-ka-ka)
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I must stop with the daft titles. Anyway, I found out why User:Iloveminun is trying to remove all traces of Serebii from the Pokémon pages. If you've heard about the site that he's trying to replace it with, Pokémon Galaxy, is his own website, which is apparently does the same thing as Serebii. He says -
"Let me explain about Pokémon Galaxy. Its going to be really good, probably even as good as serebii.net. The reason of the ads is because of its hosted using a free host. It got ruined trying to install a program, read the page yourself (even though you won't be able to make ideas yet.) I know all about because I created it."
Anyway, I have suspicions that he may also have sock puppets, old unactive accounts which seemed to stop after the next super seeded it, as well the vandal who tried to vote in the Serebii template TfD who only had five edits. I have more circumstantial evidence for the other puppets, but this new note from him seems to strengthen the last puppet connection.
If you have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about, which you probably don't, ask and I'll explain the rest (which isn't much). Cheers, H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 12:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!
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We are here to build an encyclopedia!
Hi CP, and thank you for your comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! I have to ask though, when you said: "*faints* - that's twice one one RfA page you know...", what did you mean? Thanks again! ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Adverts: Like The Beatles?... Like LEGO?... In a WikiProject that classifies?... Are you an accountable admin?... Got DYK?...
Support
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Thank you, fabby comment (it's been a while in the making). Oh, and have you noticed are sigs are practically the same? ; ) H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 14:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Mine is yellow. And yes, you are some what my sensei. Where do you think I got my temper? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone wiped the bottom of the page... yeah. Torchic has 3 supports and one "This shouldn't be an article *thumps down crayons*" Object, what happens? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I love minun has fucked up the Pokémoninfobox - it's half red and half pink! H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
He's reverting me, and he won't listen to me. Can you deal with him? H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
And it's all the templates ¬_¬ H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 15:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: Chavs
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I have no idea why I got that ever-so-friendly message. XD What's worse is that I understood every word of it. Acetic Acid 09:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Downfield Sixth Form page
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Would you agree with a small amount of contact details on it, or prefer to let everyone search through the schools' own pages?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.78.152.96 (talk • contribs) .
I understand now - sorry, I'm new to this whole thing! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.78.152.96 (talk • contribs) .

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He's such a dear
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Well lucky me, my master gave me another command -
→You can't vote, first of all, it was your idea to make me do this, and second, you already ruin evberything, so i've decided not let you vote, but anyone else can. I Love Minun 19:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel inclined to say "how high". Thank you for the help. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
HighwayCello
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STOP sticking up for HighwayCello. He interfieres with every edit. No wonder he was rejected asan administrator I Love Minun 19:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Kudos
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Now that is one beautiful orchard! I wish my kitchen window looked out onto that! Thanks. D e nni ☯ 22:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
And here I thought you lived in Victoria, British Columbia (sorry, almost the same thing). D e nni ☯ 22:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Please allow me to correct you ever so slightly - British Columbia is in Canada (and yes, we Canadians are touchy about being seen as little Americans). I, like you, have little love for the United States, but BC would be a wonderful place to retire to - all the charm of a small British city with all the social programs of Canada. Plus winters only the most demanding could complain about. D e nni ☯ 23:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
A haiku of thanks
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Thanks for your support

In my RfA, which passed!

Wise I'll try to be.
Best. Support comment. EVER. Seriously! You have no idea how much your comments made me smile. In fact, when I read it now, I still smile! I respect you so much, and am honored that you said so many nice things about me. :D Your support means so incredibly much, and hopefully I won't become too corrupt!
-- Nataly a 04:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
That was some very

Good poetry, if I do

Say so myself - yes!
That yes sounds kind of funny, but I needed another syllable. And you do deserve all the nice comments! :) I haven't gotten that picture of tomatoes before, and they look very, very tasty. I can already imagine it with some nice mozzarella cheese... yum! -- Nataly a 13:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Mistaken Identity
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Hi! I was suffering premature senility, and meant to address this little problem on your admin desk! Good luck with exams! Best! // FrankB 16:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah.. we don't have similar sigs do we? ; ) H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 16:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Unblock request
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I'd appreciate it if you'd play the devil's advocate and unblock my current User:Tchadienne, or at least my old account User:KI. I've been blocked for 3 months for one case of personal attacks. Now Voice of All is threatening to indefinitely block me because he doesnt like a quote on my userpage (See User talk:Freestylefrappe for his message, and the quote on User:KI). freestylefrappe 01:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Lord of the Rings FAC comments
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Hi there. About your comments at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/The_Lord_of_the_Rings, I've added some comments there that you might want to read. I've also reviewed the edits you made, and I noticed you removed the "Sales, awards and polls" section header I inserted. You also mentioned a possible issue with the disambig hatnote. I've started discussing these at Talk:The Lord of the Rings and would appreciate your comments there. Thanks. Carcharoth 08:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Evil!
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MUAHAHAHA
Here is an 6/6/6, aka Evil Day, greeting for you friend. These type of messages promote WikiLove in an unknown way. Spread this evil love to others by making a derivative work of this... Or another evil something that is flowing about. The King of Kings 20:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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Nice Orchard. the_ed17^(talk)^(contribs) 22:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Expertise needed
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A new user asked me for advice I don't really know the answer to.
Joe - The following message concerns me greatly. I did not request a password change, but recognize the IP address as belonging to a member of a small group that repeatedly harasses my employer, DePaul University, through e-mail. This group has built quite a controversy section for DePaul on our Wikipedia entry. I have recently begun editing the site to present DePaul's perspective on their charges. For the record, DePaul does not restrict free speech, but does insist on civil discourse, which this group generally does not engage in. Their attacks almost always focus on DePaul's protection of the rights of students who are not Christian or Jewish and of the university's support (generally accepted in academia) of tenured faculty who advance controversial opinions. (We do not allow anyhone, including faculty, to threaten and intimidate students, which is the core issue of the Klocek case, but because it is under litigation, we cannot post further). I am concerned that this group is now trying to hijack my Wikipedia account to either make false edits to DePaul's site or to cause trouble under my name on other sites, which would lead to me being banned. Are there any Wikipedia policies that cover this situation? Kris Kgallagh 7 June 2006
See User_talk:Searchme#Dispute_support for full. I've come up with the following: Wikipedia:Resolving disputes, Wikipedia:Civility, and Wikipedia:Esperanza. Is there some place else I should tell them to go, or can you suggest a better course of action? Joe I 08:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
The image
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The speedy deletion tag is still there, I don't know what happened. I Love Minun ^(talk) 19:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
*jumps*
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Yay! Thank you for all your help, I learned a lot. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 08:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Dispute assistance
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Celestianpower -
Thanks for your suggestion to Joe that I post this to the administrators noticeboard [14]. I looked around a little on the site and am unsure where to post. It is not vandalism and I am not yet ready for a content dispute. My immediate concern is this group's attempt to mess with my login. Where exactly should I post this?
Thanks!
Kris Kgallagh 12 June 2006
Block please!
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I notice you blocked User:128.243.220.42 before - they're at it again (see [15]. Would you mind blocking them please? Thanks, Jamse 19:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Lost comment
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No problemo. --F a ng Aili ^talk 20:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
My RFA
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Celestianpower, thank you very much for your support in my recent Request for adminship, it passed with a final tally of (65/3/3) - which I find both amazing and humbling. I wish I had time to thank everyone personally, but I'm afraid all I can offer is this token of my gratitude. I hope to live up to your expectations/hopes. If at any stage you need to contact me, for help or a request or to point out a mistake in my conduct, please make sure to tell me on my talk page. --Fir0002 08:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Just generally...
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➨ Я Є DVERS awards this Barnstar to Celestianpower for general good works, good humour and being a friend I don't stay in contact with enough but appreciate the existance of. Or something in better English.

Just Basically saying "hello"
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I had forgot you were a wikipedian-type. Hello from other parts of the web! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wayne (talk • contribs) .
Talk page
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Hello Celestianpower. I was wondering if perhaps you could look at the talk page of the Esperanza project at the heading titled Trading Spaces program and WP:UPH. As the leader of esperanza, your decision would be appreciated. Thank you, Thetru thbelow 19:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello
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Bhadani has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

--Bhadani 14:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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Invite
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You are cordially invited to participate in Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity, a project dedicated to improving articles related to Christianity. At this stage, we are discussing prospects for the project, and your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
You look like you are VERY busy, but I am trying to invite as many as possible. --Will Mak 050389 20:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Trading Spaces and WP:UPH
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I know you said it was alright if the two projects were merged on Esperanza's talk, but I was waiting for an "offical" message from yourself or an objection before I went ahead and merged. So, is there any real reason not to merge yet? — The King of Kings 20:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok. :-) Cheers! — The King of Kings 20:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Just letting you know I merged it, left a note on the Esperanza programs page about the move and told everybody who was currently envloved in a renovation about the merge. Cheers! — The King of Kings 22:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Gibraltar
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Hello Celestian Power:
I would like to ask you a favour. Could you please have a look at the talk page and history of the article on Gibraltar. Over the past few months a number of users, including myself, have been in conflict with user:Gibnews. We feel he has taken over the page as his pet project and has imposed a NPOV pro-Gibraltarian point of view. I feel his attitude and utter refusal to acheive any form of consensus is contrary to the rules of wikipedia. He accuses everyone of Spanish propaganda even on issues which are not directly related to the Anglo-Spanish dispute over Gibraltar and reverts pretty much everything which is not written by himself. Although I am not Spanish, I sometimes wonder if I may be slightly biased towards the Spanish perspective. I do not however believe that Gibraltar should be Spanish and I try to remain as neutral as possible. I do not have a problem with Gibnew's views. I simply do not approve of his way of discarding other people's sources, opinions etc... You should perhaps consult other users for their opinions such as user:ecemaml and user:asterion.
That is why I ask you, as an English-man, to mediate or atleast give your perspective on this issue.
Please look at the talk page over the past few months. Conflict with user Gibnews seems to go a long way back.
Thankyou very much for your help. We would really appreciate it. There is nothing worse that when articles are hijacked by individuals with political agendas.
--Burgas00 12:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

AOL
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Don't pull those 15 min blocks. we don't have any other way to deal with the problem.Geni 13:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
User Page
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Your user page is cool, im new to Wikipedia and would like to know how you get a cool user page like that, regards Poke Master (Talk • Contribs) 15:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, it worked great, I also browsed the community and found out about userboxes too, thanks, Poke Master (Talk • Contribs) 18:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: Esperanza elections
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My dear Celestianpower, once again you give me too much credit. :D However, I was considering running, and believe I will do so. Thank you so much for your confidence, it means quite a lot. -- Nataly a 18:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
*blushes* :) Have a pretty tree in my thanks for your kind words. -- Nataly a 19:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"I will step down as Admin Gen."
Eh??!? I think not, my friend! For I am sure you will certainly be put right back there. :) -- Nataly a 04:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe so, but you're the one with experience, and kept us all together during the issues. Don't count on not doing it quite yet! -- Nataly a 12:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Gym Leaders
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Hello again, just like to tell you that all the Kanto Gym Leaders have been merged to List of Kanto Gym Leaders, regards Poke Master (Talk • Contribs) 19:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Manchester meetup
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What's our next move? Thanks. —Xyra e l _{/ 14:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)}
A short Esperanzial update
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As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.
As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.
Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
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Thank you for the "Esperanzial update". Mr. Turcotte^talk 18:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Pokémon
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Thank you for giving me an idea, I think that it could already make a good enough article, but if you think improvements are need, please tell me, regards Poke Master (Talk • Contribs) 18:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Court
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A court has opened at User:Poke Master/Court for Iloveminun and HighwayCello to find out who is guilty, I would suggest you be involved. Poke Master (Talk • Contribs) 12:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Meowth
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Right, I made a mess up of my last FA, so this time im going to ask others if I should proceed to FA. So would you think Meowth is good enough to be at good article status? Poke Master (Talk • Contribs) 15:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Helicoptor
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Helicoptor is now making a frivolous request to move aluminium to aluminum. See Talk:Aluminium. He seems to have a history of this kind of thing, see Talk:Cat flap Jooler 17:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Pokémon Episode
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Sorry about that, I just suggested that because I noticed there were other articles about episodes, should we delete those Pokesaur 19:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Signature
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Thanks- I think that was my original code, but for some reason when I saved it it pasted HTML into the text of the article!
I have sinced altered it to rid the signature of the <font> tags.
(new signature test)- EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 20:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 20:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I tried that, but for some reason it won't work when I save it in "preferences" at the moment. I may try it tomorrow- for some reason, in my experience, it works some days and others not. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 21:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Scratch that, fourth try it worked! EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 21:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!
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Thanks for your cheering up, Celesitianpower! I really appreciate it. And Debussy is really fantastic - I'm particularly a Clair de Lune fan. (Though really, who isn't? ;) -- Nataly a 11:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Free barnstar for everyone
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For everyones contributions in the PCP, I hereby award this barnstar to all PCP members.

The Original Barnstar

For all your contributions to the Pokémon Collaborative Project, you are awarded a barnstar, Minun ^(talk) 17:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Question about suspected spam user
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I noticed a new user that had no edits except for their talk page which seems to be a description of their band and a link to the band's page. Is this a violation of Wikipedia policy, and if so, what should I do about it (I can tell you the username if you need it)? Thanks in advance for the help - Mirage5000 19:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

IRC op
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Hey CP, when you have some free time, you think it's possible you could give me level 10 access (so I can give myself ops) in the #wikipedia-esperanza? if you don't have it perhpas you could hunt down someone who has. People have been asking for kicks, etc in there and was wondering if you might consider giving me access. Thanks --Pilot|guy 02:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Apparently it can only be given to the advisory council, etc, not sure if this is still the case. --Pilot|guy 02:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Pilotguy, Celestianpower is on a holiday so I'll take the liberty of answering your question... We decided a while ago that ops were going to be restricted to current and past advisory council members and the admin general. Therefore, after the elections, we'll have a new group of people with ops to add to the list. Should that not be enough for practical purposes, we'll have a look at expanding it. --Joanne B 08:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

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RFA thanks
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Things and stuff
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Hi CP!
I got your email and your talk page message. I've been a bit busy in real life in the last few days (although I got some good news and so I don't mind being busy!). Thanks for adopting my thoughts as an FAQ for Esperanza. I hope they help! I'll consider reappearing after the elections. Hope you enjoy your break and that it is as sustainable as possible! ➨ ЯEDVERS 20:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Popping by
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Hey CP - I see you have recently returned too! I hope you had a nice and relaxing and warm vacation in wherever it was that you went - Spain? I don't remember, but I do remember that it sounded lovely.
By the by, what happened to your Tirben userbox? I always found that quite amusing. -- Nataly a 12:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Whoa, a private pool and a grand piano? What a lovely combination - it sounds like a fantastic place! Very relaxing, to say the least.
We spent a couple days in Edinburgh, and then about a week in London. It was a good time, they are two of my favorite cities. :) Unfortunately we didn't stray far from either city, but I will certainly remember next time I am there. I find that England is so beautiful, especially the countryside - from the pictures, Stroud looks gorgeous! -- Nataly a 03:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Reporting a user
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Hello Celestian Power!
Sorry for bothering you. Could you please explain to me how to report a user for persistently violating wiki rules?
Thanks alot
--Burgas00 12:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Charizard
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According to the peer review, we will need to add round about 30 references to this article, and we will need help from as many Wikipedians as possible, cheers Minun ^(talk) 19:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Now I understand that Wikipedians must be working the brains out, I hope my editing helps and it eventually reaches FAC status, cheers Minun ^(talk) 19:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Marlingenglishfloor.JPG listed for deletion
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An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Marlingenglishfloor.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Eluchil404 21:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Eluchil404 21:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Protection of Apartheid (disambiguation)
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Hey Celestianpower, I have a favor to ask - would you mind protecting Apartheid (disambiguation)? It was protected for a while a bit ago while discussions went on, and while it was unprotected for a bit and did okay, it's now back into a revert war, and I think it is prudent for discussions to continue and a decision to be made without continuous reverting. I would, but I'm currently involved in discussions about it, and there's the issue of conflicting interests at all. Thanks, (hopefully you're actually in). -- Nataly a 23:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Much appreciated. One admin-related question, is it also recommended to have someone else unprotect it when the time comes, or is it only an issue when protecting? -- Nataly a 23:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Lovely - thanks for the help! -- Nataly a 23:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
New User
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I was checking the new user logs and I noticed that there was a brand new user, created minutes ago, that had a full user page, with a complicated layout, that seems nearly impossible for a new user to create. The page is [16]. I am not sure whether to be suspicious or not, so I checked with a more experienced user. Tell me whether or not to be suspicious. If you check the new user logs, this person just created an account. Politic a l Mind 22:50, December 7, 2024 (UTC).
Ok, thanks, I just wanted to be sure. Politic a l Mind 22:50, December 7, 2024 (UTC).
Charizard
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I noticed your comment on the Charizard FAC page. I have added the references now, so please consider either supporting it, or giving another reason why iot should be changed, cheers Minun ^{(マイナン)} 15:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Are you a good copy-editer, because I have heard it needs copy-editing, if you are, please help, cheers Minun ^{(マイナン)} 19:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed it again, cheers Minun ^{(マイナン)} 13:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Please point out any mixes of singular and plural words, cheers Minun ^{(マイナン)} 15:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Fixed, please point out any more problems, cheers M inun ^{(マイナン)} 10:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi
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Wow, it seems like such a long time since we have actually corresponded. Howz it going? Orane (talk • cont.) 05:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Well everything is going great for me. I went on a short wikibreak due to exams and a few personal struggles (nothing serious), but everything's o.k now. I know that you'll do fine in your exams, so I hope that you aren't worried. Bowling, huh? Would you believe that I've never done that before :P ? Hope you enjoy it. See you around. Orane (talk • cont.) 22:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
An award for you
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For creating and managing WP:PCP, you are awarded this PokéBarnstar Minun ^{(マイナン)} 19:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
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Mwa back.

Samsara (talk • contribs) 22:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
For all your Esperanza work...
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For your hard and excellent work as the Esperanza Admin General, I, Th ε Halo, award you the highest honour a Wikipedian can get: The Golden wiki! Enjoy, you deserved it.
Th ε Halo ^Θ 13:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Re: Feel better
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Hi there, thanks for the well-wishes and for the grapes. That reminds me, I haven't eaten grapes in a while. Again, thanks.--Tachikoma 23:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully this will raise a smile
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It took long enough. Congrats, ;) H ig hway ^Batman! 17:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Wow, that was brilliant, you must have tried really hard, congrats

—M inun ^Spiderman has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Anyway, Charizard has improved, please give anpother reaons if you still object, cheers —M inun ^Spiderman 19:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
That's exciting!! Wasn't there some problem with it before about it not being allowed to be the mainpage featured article? Fantastic! -- Nataly a 13:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Hallo from Oakwood
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Ciao Celestianpower, I am sorry for this weeeery late answer to your message in my talk page: almost one year.. :-)
The thing is that I use wikipedia not so frequently, and only now I read it!
At that time i tryed to write something, I think I wrote a "stub" (is it the right word?).
In this period I am studing a lot of things on wikip., but I don't feel like I can say anything useful about the things I am now working on.
I made some minor edits (I added a link, and slightly changed a notation).
I appreciated your encouraging message.
I am a physicist, and now I am studing things like the Bell inequality, and Quantum Information Theory in general.
In any case, I THINK WIKIPEDIA IS GRRREEEEAT!!
I love the idea of cooperatively building a "knowledgebase". I think in some aspects is mouch more reliable than a book fron a single outhor, becouse in this collaborative way, there is mouch more "control" about mistakes, and when something is not so clear, not even for the author, at least you know that!
I hope I can say something useful, and collaborate.
bye
Oakwood 19:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Pokemon Adoption Center Style bit
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I'm sorry for trying to insert a policy into the page concerning beginning each Pokemon creature article with "The", but I figured it was an issue that had to be brought into the spotlight. As you may have noticed, especially on pages like Dorapion, there's a lot of edit wars over this issue between noobs and editors like HighwayCello (who insists that starting each article as "The Dorapion" is covered by policy on the style sheet), but from what I can tell on the policy page this is only implied; it's not explicitly stated. So, I'm hoping there can be a discussion deciding in print that each creature article should or should not begin with "The", so that edit wars can hopefully be toned down as a result. What do you think? Erik the Appreciator 01:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
The "are" is also a good, option, I just don't see it as good a use of the grammar. H ig hway ^Batman! 19:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I've never heard "The" in any of the in-game Pokédexes, or in the anime, can someone point out a link to the area, cheers —M inun ^Spiderman 19:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Big Brother 7 chronology on deletion review
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An editor has asked for a deletion review of Big Brother 7 chronology. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
*headdesk*
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Can you stop it? H ig hway ^Batman! 19:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, I had ran around Torchic, Bulbasaur, Pachirisu and Cherimu twice, I wasn't up for a third lap. How many 14 year olds with a PhD in Pokémon grammar are going to enrage me today? H ig hway ^Batman! 19:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Bulbasaur was just a blast. It's amazing the things you watch as a nine year old can come in handy when debating. Why can't we just call them Bulbsaurs? *headdesk* H ig hway ^Batman! 19:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
DRV
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I've withdrawn my vote since your decision was clearly endorsed before, but you still try and offer reasons when you close AfD with unclear consensus issues. It's pretty frustrating for an editor to put research work into establishing whether a problematic AfD is warranted or not, just to be wholesale ignored by the closing admin. ~ trialsanderrors 21:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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#wikipedia-esperanza
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I was told to ask you whether I should be allowed back in the channel or not. So am I? Will (message me!) 07:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there!
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Hi there! It's a bit improper to remove other people's Wikibreak messages from their pages. When a Phaedriel is back from her break, she will remove the notice at her discretion. Her notice said she'd be back around July 19th. July 20th is rather close to the 19th, right? Her page is quite frequented by the community and the notice lets a lot of users know what she's up to. With that, I'll ask you to replace it. Also, I'm quite happy to meet you, mate and if I seem at all unkind or anything in my message, please note that it isn't my intention at all to chastise you in any way. I know you were acting in good faith. Cheers! hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 07:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Good stuff. I can't imagine any inconvienence at all. hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 09:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
WIkipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award
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Celestianpower, thanks for signing up for the Esperanza User Page Contest. The judges have received the fifteen entries, and are ready to start judging. The judges will take a week to complete the judging process, and they will contact all the participants when the judging is done.

Please drop by the contest page for contest updates and questions. Take care, and good luck! May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 10:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

my RfA
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I noticed your comment on my RfA and responded to it. I just wanted to post you something here to make sure you saw it. The basic gist of my comment is, anything you'd like to know or hear, just ask, I'll be happy to answer. Cheers! :) - CheNuevara 10:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Im a little stressed
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Im a little bit stressed because I can't manage to earn a barnstar, or even a thank you for anything. Please give me a bit of advice on how to earn a barnstar, cheers —M inun ^Spiderman 15:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... Your advice is worth a try, i'll see if it works, cheers —M inun ^Spiderman 15:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Anyway, is there any current articles I can help with —M inun ^Spiderman 18:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Please list any random article here, cheers. I'll also help with your tasks if you want, cheers —M inun ^Spiderman 10:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Delete the page
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I do not think that there was a concensous for the delete I think it was spit between people who wanted to keep and people who wanted to delete so I think no concensous was reched .If I am tottaly wrong then please tell me what constitutes a concensous.--Lucy-marie 21:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Re: User account block
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Former part of header: "explanation of suspected activity, and request to unblock"
Hi.
I appreciate your vigilance in protecting Wikipedia from vandalism, and can only guess at how exasperating that can be. It obviously requires fast judgement calls in order to minimize the damage a vandal can do. And even though this may block some innocents (like me), that is a small price to pay for protecting Wikipedia from vandalism.
Yesterday, you blocked my account User:List Expert, because you interpretted as vandalism some redirects that I had created. I'm writing to you now to assure you that they were not intended as vandalism, and to request that you unblock my account as I had started some discussions with that account on a page I was working on, and need the account for the sake of continuity. Here's a full explanation of what I was doing:
I was working on the page List of sexual slurs, and linkified all the terms defined on that page in order to see the subject's redlink profile. I then proceded to fix the redlinks. Rather than use pipes on the synonymous terms, I figured, since the terms were presented with source citations on a glossary-like page of Wikipedia, which increases the chances that someone might try to access those terms later via the search box, that redirects for each of the terms were warranted. And rather than redirecting the terms to the glossary, which would have created circular links, I figured it was more appropriate to redirect them to the synonym which most closely defined them (that is also a member of the list on that page). A redirect actually solves three problems at the same time: the redlink, an unsupported term in search, and allows the links to be automatically supported in the future should the redirects ever be replaced by actual topic pages.
If you had sent me a message, we could have resolved this matter withuot shutting me down for a day (as I do have another account upon which I do most of my work), but who knows how much damage a real vandal could have caused during the time it would take you to write a message. So I understand why you didn't. The reason for the new account is that I wish to keep work on the more colorful areas of Wikipedia under the new account, to as not to detract from nor distract attention away from my other body of work on Wikipedia.
Now that you have read my explanation concerning the redirects, may I go ahead and create them? Or would you prefer that piped links be utilized instead?
And please, unblock User:List Expert.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely, --List Expert2 23:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
User:Misza13's pile!
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Thank you for contributing the impressive the pile of supports gathered on my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 0x0104/0x01/0x00. I'm happy that so many people have put faith in my abilities as an admin and promise to use the tools wisely and do my best not to let you down. If I ever may be of assistance, just leave a note on my talk page.
Misza 13, the rouge-on-demand admin wishes you happy editing!

NOTE: This message has been encrypted with the sophisticated ROT-26 algorithm.
Ability to decipher it indicates a properly functioning optical sensor array.

No problem whatsoever, Sir. I like your Animation :). —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 23:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Broken desk
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*repeatedly whack head of edge of desk* How many GA noms am I going to have to fail from him? H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 16:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, plenty more I should think :). —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 23:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I am giving rudimentary classes, see Talk:Cloyster for my new teaching video, Italics and References for the Ameoba in You! XD H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 23:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hehe - that was quite funny, but is it really necessary to be so patronsing? —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 23:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh yes. Oh yes. H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 23:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Editing
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Can you please teach me how to be a good editor —M inun ^Spiderman 18:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
User who hold in high regard
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In regards to your friends, mentioned in your FAQ, there's a couple of mistakes. Firstly, CLW and Moe have gone. More importantly, I am nowhere to be seen! ;P H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 23:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, Natalya isn't on it either. You really should update more often, H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 23:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
OMG! No Natalya!?! What an atrocity - now rectified. Along with the reluctant other three - sad to see those two go and I begrudingly added you: you'd just get offended if I didn't. —Cel es tianpower ^háblame 23:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a king... apparently. H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 23:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
*shifty eyes* Yes. H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 00:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Something Banes said...
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Copied from Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Barnstar Brigade.
I am the only awarder of the week. ; ) Even Blugyen (yeah, that's how you spell it ;) has disappeared! The barnstars haters are sneaking us awaaaay! (gets dragged under bed by football fans) No! H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 16:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed! Well, I'll change that tomorrow. :P Yeah, it must be the World cup, how boring... -- Bane s 17:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
IDIOTS: (football hooligans enter stage left) Woo! World Cup! Wooo!

STEPHEN FRY: (Stephen Fry becomes visible stage right with a bright spotlight and sighs) Who is exactly playing?

IDIOTS: (pause conufsedly) Uh?

STEPHEN FRY: (smarmily) Thought so.
Heheheh. H ig hway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 17:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Lol! Our admin general would appreciate that post! -- Bane s 17:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll stop bugging you now... H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 00:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
A new portal
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I have created a new portal (Which I don't know why because im not really interested in the topic). Its at Portal:A Series of Unfortunate Events. Would you like to be a maintenencer of the portal? I really need help to clean it up —M inun ^Spiderman 12:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I can still maintain it myself, anyway, cheers —M in un ^Spiderman 18:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Proposal on Notability
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Because you're a member of the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians, I'm notifying you that the inclusionist proposa Wikipedia:Non-notabilityl is in progress to define the role of notability in articles. Please help us make this successful! Also note the proposal Wikipedia:Importance is a deletionist proposla that seeks to officially introduce notabiltiy for the first time. --Ephilei 04:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
*poke*
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You should really update the Esperanza info on your userpage... ;) (code: I want to steal the AG box). :D -- Nataly a 05:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Something Pokemon
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Hi CP!
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think you know a thing or two about Pokemon? The article Talent Showdown was nominated for AfD but with no reason given or subpage created. I've cancelled it, but would like an expert to tag, delete or AfD as appropriate. At the moment, it's probably CSD-A1 but I'd prefer someone with experience of the subject to decide that in this case.
Thanks, my friend! ➨ ЯEDVERS 19:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
PS: Just got Skype - can I add you to my contacts, even if we never speak? ➨ ЯEDVERS
Ah, that's cool. I used to work for Tiger Electronics, maker of the Pokedex, before they were absorbed violently by Hasbro. Best place I ever worked... but all things end, I suppose. Despite working for a Pokemon licensee, I never once developed any knowledge about the subject. And yet, if you have a Furby, I have an unwanted encyclopedic knowledge of them. And a bedroom full of unsold ones we made after the boom had past (and that's part of why the company died, of course).
Good idea on Skype microphones, BTW. I was given a Skype USB phone that doesn't work and have a headset that is fine if you are happy to pretend to be talking to a guy underwater... via semaphore. I've made several podcasts for another website that are of severely limited quality thanks to that headset! I think the time has come to upgrade somewhat. Nevertheless, I'll try to add you to my contacts tonight (I'm the obviously named one mostly in Belgium, if you have a clamour of other admirers!). ➨ ЯEDVERS 21:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
My RfA
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Thank you so much for voting in my recent RFA. It passed on the relatively narrow vote of 38/8/8. It was also one of the least-participated-in RFA nominations in several months, so pat yourself on the back, and join the party on your left, but first, take your cookie!

NOTE: I can't code HTML to save my life. I copied this from Misza13. I guess I should write him a thank you note as well. Cookies sold separately. Batteries not included. Offer not valid with other coupons. May contain peanuts or chicken. Keep out of the reach of small children, may present a choking hazard to children under the age of 3. Do not take with alcohol. This notice has a dark background and therefore may be eaten by a grue at any time. The receiver of this message, hereafter referred to as "Pudding Head" relinquishes all rights and abilities to file a lawsuit or any other litigious activities. RyanGerbil10, Jimbo Wales, and the states of Georgia, North Dakota and Wisconsin are not liable for any lost or stolen items or damage from errant shopping carts.

Thank you so much! RyanG e rbil10(The people rejoice!) 03:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
my RfA
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Thanks for your support in my RfA! Unfortunately, the request did not pass, with a vote of (43/16/7). But your support was appreciated and I'll just keep right on doing what I do. Maybe I'll see ya around -- I'll be here!
Cheers! - CheNuevara 17:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Bulbasaur (again)
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Just wanted to say congrats again - enjoy your day of front-page Bulbasaurness! -- Nataly a 00:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Seconded! Make screenshots, print them and hang them all around the house :) You did a good job! --Joanne B 07:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I was told that you are largely responsible for today's featured article, Bulbasaur. I just want to say what an amazing job you did. You took a rather arcane topic and turned it into something studious and learned, yet quirky and fun. At a talk I am giving to a group of teachers tomorrow, I plan on mentioning this article as a prime example of what they can do with their students to promote research and writing skills. Thanks. Danny 01:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations. I am glad that it has finally has its day on the Main Page. Well done, not least for your persistence. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Congrats, good to see all your efforts have been worthwhile. :) What JoanneB said... -- Bane s 10:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, congrats. pschemp | talk 14:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
➨ ЯEDVERS awards this Barnstar to Celestianpower for getting a great FA on the front page after so much hard work and then letting the naysayers complaints about it wash over him.
Oh, crap, Bulbasaur was on the main page? It must have been on for about 12 hours or so because I was online just yesterday and it wasn't on, and I came online just now to see it's something else. But my full congratulations for achieving that for the Pokemon franchise and its billion or so fans anyway. And my thanks for taking a picture of it for me to see what it looked like! :) Erik the Appreciator 03:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Protected 5 times. Torchic is never going to happen... H ig hway ^{Return to Oz...} 11:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

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