Talk:Søren Kierkegaard/Archive 4
Tone
[edit]I don't know if this has come up before, but there is a slightly gushy and intimate tone that seems non-encyclopaedic. Easy to fix, but I don't know if others agree. Agent Cooper (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
- having read only the early life section I would agree with that - it also has effaced , what I thought was accepted , that his father had a very gloomy Christianity, Lutheran, obsessed with theology kind of person, and that this effected K. very much. the section I read reminded me of the bios a TV programme called Blue Peter used to do, perfectly fine and approachable but intended for children. thats how the section seemed to me anyhow. Sayerslle (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Translators
[edit]noooo and Howard Hong have been left out of the translators section. Their editions of his works seem to be the most widely used in the ethical/existential arena. Also, maybe more detail about the styles of translations is needed since they vary widely and Kierkegaard was given to innuendo. Hence a Christian would read his original text very differently to an Existentialist or 'Absurdist'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.134.140 (talk) 05:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- http://www.nlx.com/collections/73 —useful data regarding the first Indiana U and second Indiana U editions in relation to the Princeton U
- including U.S. National Book Award, Translation, 1968 (Hong & Hong, first ed., vol. 1). --P64 (talk) 18:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- "Howard and Edna Hong". Howard V. and Edna H. Hong Kierkegaard Library. St. Olaf College.
- I have slightly improved the Translators section, providing references to the official National Book Awards 1969 and these two web pages —without reading this one. --P64 (talk) 19:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Help to find the book, please
[edit]Hello! Please give an online link to the English translation of the book of Kierkegaard "Stages of the life course". It is a poor user of Russia. Need translation. I would be very grateful. Kirill-Hod (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
What about adding a section on Kierkegaard's "Thorn in the flesh"? I edited a quotation here, but there is still much to say on this subject: from The Thorn in the Flesh on wikiquote to all these books: 1 & 2. And so on: [1] & [2]. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 08:06, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Fields and levels of a Christian in Philosophy of S. Kierkegaard
[edit]- 1.1.Kierkegaard, Sōren said something like the level of human life. Normally the man in the flesh is most outstanding in the world and he is the first level of existence. Then as a person formed primarily emotional lives and only then, later, comes the spiritual level, it may not be strictly defined at all.
They do not go one after the other, a Christian, normal perceive that as a distinct but related fields of reality. As for ethics,it does not come out sooner rather than religiosity and springs only, otherw12:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)93.136.51.137 (talk)ise it would by itself have greatly changed the ethics of man, the world, and this is not the case. The case is that the human component of religiosity and the beginning of his, he's very easy to be called ethics, not knowing that ethics is not a product of effective implementation of the work of a variety of ethical ideals. And then, in religion, in the Holy Spirit and the love of the Father and of the Son, the only gifts flourish and human conscience is ripe for confession of sin. It often occurs in old age, but there are lots of examples and against such claims. However, we see a world that is growing up, it seems that much the world needs to age a bit and even then,not every man will be taken on the Re-entry.
- It can be seen that the speech is not secularized, secularization is what Paul speaks of the proclamation of the language that is understandable to the one that listen the God's word.
Assessment: Lower from B to C
[edit]I agree with previous editors who posted that this article is an incomprehensible, gushy, idiosyncratic mess that is cluttered with numerous quotes, some large enough to engulf a small village. It seems to have been taken on as a personal project by one or more editors, who need to learn that clarity and restraint are precious gifts to the reader. • Serviceable†Villain 09:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed. Most of the quotes from this article could be abandoned, especially the huge one in the middle. Geez. Icarus of old (talk) 01:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed. I came across this article a couple of days ago and couldn't plow through it because of all the quotes and digressions. Admittedly, I'm not a fan of philosophy, but I suspect this article (despite the good intro) would drive away most potential fans. OK, I like history, and was amused to note near the article's beginning that Kierkegaard didn't like historical works. Frankly, that seems the article's viewpoint too--I had trouble locating even the basic historical outline of his relatively short life. Other articles about philosophers and theologians generally start with a historical background, then explanations of the person's contributions to a particular area of expertise. Not here. The digressions really started in the Journals subsection of the Early Years section (which inclusion in that supposedly life-history area makes no sense). The huge text inclusions in the next subsection, about Regine Olsen, who has a separate article herself, really lost me. So maybe Kierkegard himself drove me away from exploring his philosophy or theology.... Still, I tried skimming, both a couple of days ago and again this morning. I still couldn't find the basics, only got distracted by the article's pervasive wordiness and passive constructions -- then annoyed enough to write here on the talk page.Jweaver28 (talk) 13:15, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. Some of it borders on the bizarre. --Agent Cooper (talk) 01:40, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Honored by Google
[edit]I have removed this reference from the lead as I think it is inappropriate. In any case, I could not find trace on Google itself of the doodle mentioned either in the English or Danish search pages.--Ipigott (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- It's not the 5th of May here yet (at least not for the next 7 minutes). It will probably show up then, but at any rate it shouldn't be mentioned before the event. --Saddhiyama (talk) 21:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- The Google doodle is now showing on Google.dk. --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- Glad to see it's been moved to a more appropriate place. The doodle should at any rate ensure that many more people look at the Wikipedia articles on Kierkegaard in various languages.--Ipigott (talk) 07:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- The Google doodle is now showing on Google.dk. --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
First long quote in section 5
[edit]Hi. There's a mistake somewhere in the text or background for the first of the long quotes in section 5. The latin quote de te narrator fabula is either wrong in the source or has been wrongly transcribed from the source, and the translation given is wrong however this might be. As written, the quote reads of you the storyteller the fable. In my opinion, it is likely that the original quote should be (literally) of you is told (the) fable, the correct form of the latin verb being narratur, which is the present tense 3. person singular passive. As I see it, this also makes the following parts of the long quote easier to understand, as the formal subject is included in the tale of the statistics. However, as I don't have the original source at hand, I'm unable to do the source-checking myself. Whether the error has been made by Swenson or the WP editor has consequences for the action to be taken. If the error is present in the source, it should be noted in the quote, at least with a [sic], but preferably, to reach a wider audience, with a comment in WP's voice along the lines of "Sic. The quote is wrongly translated in the source. The correct translation reads the fable is told of you." As an alternative "(Sic. see comment below)," with the full comment alongside the bibliographical comment at the end of the quote box, could be considered.
Best regards, benjamil talk/edits 07:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Relevance of 'young seducer'
[edit]I came here solely as a reader, knowing very little about SK .... However I wonder what is the relevance of Peder Ludvig Møller, a young "seducer", the link merely leads to an Amazon cover, with no review : (Henrik Stangerup wrote a book called Seducer which identified Moller as a seducer; see this review of his book from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Seducer-Henrik-Stangerup/dp/0714529869).
If Møller having been identified as a seducer is NOT relevant to the Corsair affair, it doesn't seem to belong here. The effect on me as a reader was to assume that his being a seducer was in some way relevant to his altercation with SK, which it doesn't seem to be. If I am wrong, perhaps the article should make clearer the relevance, otherwise it just seems like 'tittle-tattle' from someone who APPEARS to be a writer of fiction.Pincrete (talk) 19:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I've just removed the 'seducer' reference, as the source is a novel (I had to go to Danish wikipedia to find that out) and the information seems anyway irrelevant to the Corsair affair.Pincrete (talk) 18:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
None English Title on English Wikipedia
[edit]Curious why there are letters here that are not English? Especially in the Title page? Please fix.Presidentbalut (talk) 02:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Because the majority of reliable English language sources spell it that way. Please see substantially identical topic at Talk:René_Auberjonois#Name_spelling_illegal. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Nothing to fix. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Philosophical criticism: Adorno
[edit]So, what's his critique? Only a critique of his critique (that's why he is in the Philosophical Criticism section, I suppose?) is mentioned in the article. --88.78.37.16 (talk) 14:00, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Soren Kierkegaard
[edit]I am interested in learning a bit more about Soren Kierkegaard just by looking and reading through the Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.253.7.138 (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
This article deserves congratulations
[edit]Since Kierkeagaard must have the record for being the philosopher with the most frequently mispronounced surname, this article deserves congratulations for putting a "listen" feature which pronounce his name properly. It could, however, give clearer indication of pronunciation of his surname using Latin letters - how about "keer - ke - gawr"?Vorbee (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Kierkegaard and Hegel
[edit]This article mentions Hegel at quite an early stage in the article. Perhaps it could mention, as the Macmillan one-volume encyclopaedia says, that while Kierkegaard was critical of Hegel, he remained under Hegel's influence. Vorbee (talk) 19:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Regine Olsen
[edit]Should the section on Regine Olsen also add that Kierkegaard is alleged to have said "It is better to be inspired by a woman than to live with her"? The section could also add that Regine Olsen, unlike Kierkegaard himself, did later on get married. Vorbee (talk) 15:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The influence of Christianity upon SK
[edit]Forgive my ignorance, fellow Wikipedians:
Generally, my contributions are limited to adding to the lists of "influences" or "influenced," especially to Kierkegaard, one of the few individuals about which I feel semi-competent. Once or twice, I have added "Jesus" as an influence, only to have this reverted due to "writings, teachings and traditions about Jesus may have influenced Kierkegaard, but not Jesus himself." I objected to this by wondering if it is impossible to be influenced by Socrates but only by his commentators, that is, if to be considered a verifiable influence a body of written work is required? Most recently, I added the "New Testament," figuring that as a body of writing pervading not only SK's outlook (opinion, non-verifiable, I realize) but also containing discrete references, chapter and verse, throughout the Hong translations, that this as clear and evident, from whatever methodology, an influence as possibly be ascertained. This too was reverted, and a consensus asked for. What's the consensus? Thanks!
--Riseabove2 (talk) 02:45, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- The New Testament is more like a foundation than an influence. The Influences section is for people who influenced thinking about foundational ideas. Adding the New Testament as an influence seems unnecessary; check Thomas Aquinas, Meister Eckhart or any other Christian writer or theologian, the New Testament is not listed as an influence, only those who influenced their thinking about theology are listed. - Epinoia (talk) 04:09, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Penguin classics
[edit]When available should we use penguin classics or the original covers. DMT biscuit (talk) 20:15, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
This page's layout is an unwieldy mess
[edit]There are far too many pictures adding little to no value (why so many first pages of books???), mammoth quotations taking up dozens of lines, and text squeezed between two pieces of media repeatedly. I am thinking about excising a lot of this myself but wondering if any other talk page watchers want to collaborate with me on this. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Danish pronunciation
[edit]There is a very detailed Danish IPA pronunciation given for the name, with no sources. There is Danish audio (which can be considered original research). Basing our IPA pronunciation on it is clearly original research though and not acceptable due to WP:OR. I asked for a citation, but that was reverted. Adding this note here to justify my asking for a reasonable reference, considering I've been hearing anecdotal evidence about different pronunciation in Danish. roozbeh (talk) 22:05, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Roozbeh: Could you please be more specific? Danish phonology is quite predictable: Help:IPA/Danish. What alternative pronunciations do you have in mind? --Omnipaedista (talk) 23:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- The German WP says it's [ˈsœːɔn ˈkʰiɔ̯g̊əˌg̊ɔːˀ]. This article claims it's [ˈsœːɐn ˈkʰiɐ̯kəˌkɒˀ]. They both have the same audio file, which is useless for users due to the confusing addition of the middle name. --Espoo (talk) 07:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Quote about a woman
[edit]The section on Regine Olsen could point out that Kierkegaard said "It is better to be inspired by a woman than it is to live with her", if any one can find a source for this quotations. Rollo August (talk) 21:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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Kierkegaard's influences image contains duplicate of Plato
[edit]For the image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kierkegaard_influences.jpg, The caption says "From left to right: Wolff, Holberg, Hamann, Lessing, Plato and Socrates", but the last image is another bust of Plato, not of Socrates. Annoyingly, this isn't a very simple fix and there isn't a good way to discuss it in Wikimedia commons. Kit Cloudkicker (talk) 19:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Søren Kierkegaard quote re quote against comparison
[edit]This quote cannot be found in the named citation, nor can I find it anywhere in The Essential Kierkegaard Kierkegaard, Søren, author.; Hong, Edna H., editor.; Hong, Howard V., editor. Course Book; Princeton, NJ : Princeton University Press; 2013
Kierkegaard, Søren, author.; Hong, Edna H., editor.; Hong, Howard V., editor. Course Book; Princeton, NJ : Princeton University Press; 2013
Can anyone help me with this checking this source and if it really cannot be found, should it be removed? Imagination56 (talk) 03:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Just an impression
[edit]This book about a philosopher is rather short. Nikolay Komarov (talk) 20:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Kierkegaard should not be psychologically associated with Lutheranism.
[edit]The Lutheran denomination, and other self-claimed Christian denominations, would be wise to refrain from claiming unaffiliated philosophers in their attempts to increase their REIT-backed profit-margins. RagtimeRebel (talk) 19:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Influences/influenced fields deprecated in infobox
[edit]For the sake of slightly easier access to the information in these now deprecated fields, I'll paste here the individuals (with references that were supplied) that were listed under "influences" and "influenced" fields in the article's infobox until today. Not sure how it would ever be of use, but I figure it does no harm.
Influences
- Abraham
- Johann Arndt
- Gottfried Arnold
- Augustine of Hippo
- F. X. von Baader
- Bernard of Clairvaux
- Bonaventure
- René Descartes
- Diogenes
- François Fénelon
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
- J. G. Hamann
- Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
- Johan LudvigHeiberg
- Immanuel Kant
- G. E. Lessing
- Alphonsus Ligouri
- Martin Luther
- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
- P. M. Møller
- Regine Olsen
- Plato
- John of Ruusbroec
- F. W. J. Schelling
- William Shakespeare (Ruoff, James E. (1968). "Kierkegaard and Shakespeare". Comparative Literature. 20 (4). JSTOR: 343–354. doi:10.2307/1769982. JSTOR 1769982.)
- Angelus Silesius
- Socrates
- Henry Suso
- John Tauler
- Thomas à Kempis
- Gerhard Tersteegen
- Christian Wolff (Klempe, Sven Hroar (2017) [2014]. Kierkegaard and the Rise of Modern Psychology. Abingdon-on-Thames: Routledge. p. 74. ISBN 978-1-351-51022-6.)
- Zacharias Werner
Influenced
- Theodor W. Adorno
- Hans Urs von Balthasar
- Karl Barth
- Ingmar Bergman
- Oets Kolk Bouwsma
- Martin Buber
- Albert Camus
- John D. Caputo
- Karen L. Carr (The Sense Of Antirationalism: The Religious Thought Of Zhuangzi And Kierkegaard, Karen L. Carr and Philip J. Ivanhoe, CreateSpace, 2010)
- Yves Congar
- Jacques Ellul
- Robert Greene
- Romano Guardini
- Georges Gusdorf
- Martin Heidegger
- Henrik Ibsen
- Karl Jaspers
- Walter Kaufmann
- Emmanuel Levinas
- Henri de Lubac
- Gabriel Marcel (Stewart, Jon Bartley (2011) Kierkegaard and Existentialism. Ashgate Publishing. p. 204. ISBN 978-1-4094-2641-7)
- Rollo May
- Thomas Merton
- H. Richard Niebuhr
- Walker Percy
- Jean-Paul Sartre
- Carl Schmitt
- Mehrespand
- Roger Scruton
- Lev Shestov
- Paul Tillich
- Miguel de Unamuno
- Jean Wahl
- Cornel West
- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Peloneous(t)[c] 02:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Paring down listed references, September 2024
[edit]I removed a large number of items listed in "Sources", based on the sole criteria that they were not referenced in any footnotes in "Citations" (or in a couple cases, in the body text). Certainly that single criteria could lead to more references being removed than appropriate, as they may have been initially added as general references or can quite easily be mined for sourcing due to their high quality. Therefore, here's a complete list of the excised sources below—
- Angier, Tom (2006). Either Kierkegaard/or Nietzsche: Moral Philosophy in a New Key. Farnham, Surrey: Ashgate Publishing. ISBN 0-7546-5474-5.
- Auden, W. H. (1952). "The Living Thoughts of Kierkegaard" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 13 May 2013. Retrieved 1 August 2012.
- Barth, Karl; Hoskyns, E. C. (1968). The Epistle to the Romans. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-500294-2.
- Brandes, Georg (1899). Henrik Ibsen: Critical Studies. Macmillan co. Retrieved 18 February 2012.
- Cappelorn, Niels J. (2003). Written Images. Princeton: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-11555-9.
- Cappelørn, Niels Jørgen; Leksikon, Gyldendal (2008). "The Official Website of Denmark". Søren Kierkegaard. Archived from the original on 22 April 2012. Retrieved 26 September 2010.
- Caputo, John D. (2008). How to Read Kierkegaard. New York: W.W. Norton & Company. ISBN 978-0-393-33078-6.
- Carlisle, Claire (2006). Kierkegaard: a guide for the perplexed. London: Continuum International Publishing Group. ISBN 978-0-8264-8611-0.
- Connell, George B. 2016. Kierkegaard and the Paradox of Religious Diversity. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans.
- Dooley, Mark (2001). The Politics of Exodus: Kierkegaard's Ethics of Responsibility. New York: Fordham University Press.
- Drucker, Peter F. (1933). "The Unfashionable Kierkegaard". Retrieved 10 February 2012.
- Friedmann, Rudolph (1949). "Kierkegaard". Retrieved 6 November 2012.
- Gardiner, Patrick. (1988). Kierkegaard. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-287642-2
- Gates, John A. (1960). The Life And Thought of Kierkegaard For Everyman. The Westminster Press. Retrieved 22 December 2010.
- Gouwens, David J (1989). Kierkegaard's Dialectic of the Imagination. New York: Peter Lang. ISBN 0-8204-0853-0.
- Gouwens, David J (1996). Kierkegaard as Religious Thinker. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-55551-7.
- Hegel, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich (1979). Phenomenology of Spirit. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-824597-1.
- Holmer, Paul L (2012). David J Gouwens (ed.). On Kierkegaard and Truth. Eugene: Wipf and Stock. ISBN 978-1-62189-434-6.
- Hong, Howard V; Hong, Edna (2000). The Essential Kierkegaard. Princeton: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-03309-9.
- Houe, Poul; Marino, Gordon D. (2003). Søren Kierkegaard and the words. Essays on hermeneutics and communication. Copenhagen: C.A. Reitzel.
- Høffding, Harald (1900). "A brief history of modern philosophy". pp. 283–289. Retrieved 21 August 2010.
- Hunt, George Laird (1958). "Ten makers of modern Protestant thought Schweitzer, Rauschenbusch, Temple, Kierkegaard, Barth, Brunner, Niebuhr, Tillich, Bultmann, Buber". Retrieved 1 October 2010.
- Kierkegaard, Søren (2009). Repetition and Philosophical Crumbs. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-921419-8.
- Kofoed-Hansen, Hans Peter (1856). "Dr. S. Kierkegaard mod Dr. H. Martensen: et indlaeg (Danish translation (Dr. S. Kierkegaard against Dr. H. Martensen: an argument)". Retrieved 12 September 2010.
- Lippitt, John; Hutto, Daniel (1998). "Making Sense of Nonsense: Kierkegaard and Wittgenstein, 1998" (PDF). University of Hertfordshire.
- Mackey, Louis (1986). Points of View: Readings of Kierkegaard. Tallahassee: Florida State University Press. ISBN 978-0-8130-0824-0.
- Mooney, Edward F. (2007). On Søren Kierkegaard: dialogue, polemics, lost intimacy, and time?. Farnham, Surrey: Ashgate Publishing. ISBN 978-0-7546-5822-1.
- Muggeridge, Malcolm (1983). A Third Testament. Little Brown and Company. ISBN 0-345-30516-7. (Examines the lives of St. Augustine, Blaise Pascal, William Blake, Søren Kierkegaard, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Leo Tolstoy, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer.)
- Mulder, Jack (2010). Kierkegaard and the Catholic Tradition: Conflict and Dialogue. Indiana Series in the Philosophy of Religion. Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-00480-2.
- Neuhaus, Richard J. (2004). Kierkegaard for Grownups. Retrieved 7 February 2012.
- Pattison, George (2002). Kierkegaard's Upbuilding Discourses: Philosophy, theology, literature. London: Routledge. ISBN 0-415-28370-1.
- Shestov, Lev (1935). "Kierkegaard & the Existential Philosophy".
- Skopetea, Sophia (1995). Kierkegaard og graeciteten, En Kamp med ironi. Copenhagen: C. A. Reitzel. ISBN 87-7421-963-4.
- Staubrand, Jens (2009). Søren Kierkegaard: International Bibliography Music works & Plays, New edition, Copenhagen. Søren Kierkegaard Kulturproduktion. ISBN 978-87-92259-91-2.
- Staubrand, Jens (2012). Kierkegaard: Breve og notater fra Berlin [Kierkegaard: Letters and Notes from Berlin] (in Danish). København: Søren Kierkegaard Kulturproduktion. ISBN 978-87-92510-07-5.
- Swenson, David F. (1916). "The Anti-Intellectualism of Kierkegaard". The Philosophical Review. Ithaca [etc.] Cornell University Press [etc.] Retrieved 17 December 2011.
- Westfall, Joseph (2007). The Kierkegaardian Author: Authorship and Performance in Kierkegaard's Literary and Dramatic Criticism. Berlin: Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-019302-2.
- Westfall, Joseph (2018). Authorship and Authority in Kierkegaard's Writings. London: Bloomsbury. ISBN 978-1-350-05595-7.
- Items with no author
- The Book Lover, 1900 Friedrich Nietzsche and his Influence p. 144ff access date 3 July 2012
- "Manuscripts from the Søren Kierkegaard Archive". Royal Library of Denmark. Retrieved 1 March 2010.
- "Society for Christian Psychology". Christian Psychology. Archived from the original on 7 April 2006. Retrieved 19 January 2010.
- The Søren Kierkegaard Research Centre. "Søren Kierkegaard Forskningscenteret". University of Copenhagen. Archived from the original on 19 July 2006. Retrieved 26 April 2013.
Peloneous(t)[c] 00:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
My edit of his degree from an MA to a PhD
[edit]I was reading an article on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy today on Kierkegaard <https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kierkegaard/#LifeWork>, and noted that the Magister degree in philosophy was noted as being equivalent to a contemporary PhD,
"After a prolonged period of study at the University of Copenhagen, Søren received a first degree in theology and a Magister degree in philosophy, with a dissertation dealing with irony as practiced by Socrates (On the Concept of Irony with Continual Reference to Socrates). The Magister degree was the equivalent of a contemporary doctorate, the title being changed to “doctor” some years later."
whereas it was listed as equivalent to an MA on this page, which would ill-inform users about the level of education he had attained. I have changed all references to a Master's to PhD to account for this (it would be similar if someone who graduated with the equivalent of a Bachelor's from Oxford was listed as having an MA, as the Bachelor's degrees there are often awarded as "Master's" even though they are not at the RFQ7 level--that is, the graduate level--in the UK's educational system). If anyone has any issues with this edit please discuss below.
I also request that another user with more editing experience add footnotes and hover-text near the entry in the infobox so as to add clarification for others who may have been mislead in the past about Kierkegaard's degree of educational attainment. Thanatos&Eros (talk) 02:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- I want to thank you for making this change to the article, as the references to Kierkegaard's degree as a "master's degree" were definitely erroneous, as you stated.After doing some reading about the Danish magister degree, and the history of degree levels more generally in the country, I elected to also eliminate references to Kierkegaard's degree as a "PhD". No reliable sources name his degree as a PhD, for the simple reason that it wasn't one. No matter how I drafted an explanatory note, it always seemed to me essentially original research. I have included a quote from the Stanford Encyclopedia page in the footnote regarding his degree in the main body text, currently note 76 in "Early years (1813–1836) § Regine Olsen and graduation (1837–1841)" as I write this reply.I also removed the parenthetical reference to his degree and graduation date from the infobox, which is supported by the example of infoboxes in high-quality articles such as Thomas Carlyle and Niels Bohr. As a counterpoint, Hegel and Isaac Newton's articles both list their degree names & conferral dates in the infobox, but in both cases there are multiple degrees (and in Hegel's case, institutions) involved.If including the degree in the infobox seems more appropriate to you or others, my thinking is that it could be "(mag.art., 1841)" or "(doctorate, 1841)", with any wikilink being to the page titled Doctorate or one of its (sub-)sections. Peloneous(t)[c] 00:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)