Talk:Pokémon Scarlet and Violet/Archive 1

Archive 1

April Fools trailer

Hello! Just figured I'd post this on the talk page, but on April 1, 2022 (the date it was uploaded for me), the Youtuber "Hoops and Hip Hop" uploaded a trailer which listed the release date for the game as 6/9/2022 and revealed 3 new Pokemon, with a not at the end saying that the trailer was "Totally real". This trailer is an April Fools joke (uploaded on April 1st and the month and day for the release date from "69") and should not be taken seriously or used to cite a release date. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Endorsed. This was probably the basis of the edit I reverted earlier that then served as the reason I requested page protection CreecregofLife (talk) 17:28, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Open world

Should open world be listed as a genre in the infobox? I've heard that it's even confirmed by Nintendo themselves that the game will be open world. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:29, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Considering that even The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, the open world game, does not have it in infobox, I'm inclined to say no. Juxlos (talk) 03:25, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I am going to have to agree, I just went on a long search and I can't find any article with open world listed as a genre in the infobox which is quite surprising to me seeing as being open world is the literal main genre and selling point of some games. Also, Nintendo themselves have confirmed that Pokémon Scarlet and Violet will be open world which I am very excited for! 2600:1700:8820:2A10:B1EB:97FD:CC9A:A129 (talk) 01:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

It's specifically against the infobox's documentation to include "open world" as a genre. -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

The gameplay section that mentions it being open world, suffices. —Mythdon (talk • contribs) 02:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Setting

There's a lot of hints that the region is based on Spain/South America, but do we have any solid confirmation? I think until we do, it should be left out of the article as it's just speculation at this point. Notcharizard (talk) 11:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

There's a map in the trailer for the game which appears to be a flipped version of the eastern Iberian Peninsula, and the architecture of some buildings in the trailer was stated to be very similar to that of a lot of Spanish buildings, plus the outfits which imply a warmer environment (like Spain). This was where most of the claims about the region being set in Spain come from IIRC. From prior experience (the article for Sword and Shield) the region was mentioned to be similar to the real world location, although back then there was a map of the Galar region for us to make the connections. I personally say leave out this information until we get an official map of the new region. 129.126.40.61 (talk) 08:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. We're bound to get the explicit rundown somewhere in pre-release CreecregofLife (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

It would be accurate to say the region it was based off is the Iberian Peninsula, and not just Spain. Which Includes Andorra, Southern France, Gibraltar and Portugal. Although without a doubt the game (Names, Architecture, Dress) seems to be based off Spain71.9.141.71 (talk) 02:59, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

An official map of the region has been released, and suffice to say it looks like Iberia. Feel free to throw it in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.88.72.203 (talk) 14:14, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

At the beginning of the most recent Pokémon Presents there's a building that looks like Sagrada Família in Spain. I think we should wait for some major site to make note of it first though. Old Guard (talk) 08:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Old Guard - Seems like people keep stating that the Paldea region is based off of the Iberian Peninsula as fact, even through provided sources only speculate that the region was inspired by the Iberian Peninsula.[1] I've tried finding other sources, but it all seems to be opinion/guesses as of now.

Looking at past Pokemon games before their official release, such as the page for Pokemon Sun and Moon[2] and Pokemon Sword and Shield[3] around late September/early October, it seems like the setting information would just mention the regions possible real-life inspirations with an official map of the Pokemon region. Any other information was probably added around or after the official release of the games.

I'm removing the provided map of the Iberian Peninsula, and its caption: "The Iberian Peninsula [...] which heavily inspired the design for the Paldea region", which appears to assert the region's inspirations even though its all media speculation at this point. Perhaps when the game is released and more information is revealed. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@Clear Looking Glass, maybe it could be noted that it is speculated that the Iberian Peninsula inspired Paldea. It's received wide enough coverage to the point that ignoring that it is the consensus on practically every recent source covering the region, meaning it should probably be noted. DecafPotato (talk) 22:19, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, I think that it's fine to write that it seems to be based off of Iberia, given the amount of reliable sources stating it as fact, as seen in my changes to the article. DecafPotato (talk) 01:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Ed Sheeran as a composer

@Leaf8613 @Blaze Wolf

Alright as funny as it is to see a back and forth around whether or not Ed Sheeran should be listed as a composer for a Pokémon game, I think it would help to give my two cents.

A composer for a video game is someone who makes music for a video game. Ed Sheeran did this. So, unless an official source can be provided that Celestial is an insert song, rather than a song composed for Scarlet and Violet directly, he should be listed as a composer.

DecafPotato (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@DecafPotato: Leaf explained it to me and I would specify that a video game composer primarily makes music for video games. Ed Sheeran mostly just makes pop music. However I feel he should at least be mentioned in an efn next to Toby Fox. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I think I disagree with that. While that does make sense in that you can't call Ed a "video game composer", he did still compose a song for the games, again unless a source can be provided for Celestial being an insert song, which has been the primary point of the argument. DecafPotato (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I honestly highly doubt it's an insert song considering the official Pokemon account stated they collaborated with him to make it and in the comments of the official Youtube video Ed said that he enjoyed working with them. Pokemon is even credited in the title of the Youtube video (tho nowhere else). LIke I said it would make more sense to add him in an efn like how Lena Raine and others are credited in an efn on Minecraft next to C418. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Added him in an efn under composers DecafPotato (talk) 18:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! I was going to do it myself but I got lazy. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Both the Japanese Pokemon website [4] and IGN Japan website [5] website use the term wiktionary:挿入歌 multiple times to refer to Celestial. It translates to "insert song" or incidental music. It's a term used most often to refer to anime songs that play as BGM instead of as a OP/ED credits theme song. It just means the song appears within the body of work (during regular gameplay or a story cutscene) as opposed to (e.g.) a credits theme. Insert song doesn't necessarily indicate whether the song is an original score vocal song or a licensed song, it just refers to how the song is used in-game. I don't really care whether it gets re-added, but it's an insert song according to Japanese sources.

And whether Ed Sheeran is a VGM composer or not is irrelevant imo, the reason why I removed his name in the first place is because he doesn't appear he is contributing to the original score music, he is only providing 1 licensed song. I don't know for sure, but it may be the same reason why Hikaru Utada isn't credited as a composer for any Kingdom Hearts game (see Kingdom Hearts III), despite being responsible for most of the vocal themes for the series. Or why Tales of Arise doesn't credit Ayaka or Kankaku Piero. I just applied the same reasoning for this game. HelloYellow18 (talk) 02:26, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

"Pokemon 2022" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Pokemon 2022 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 22#Pokemon 2022 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:49, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

"Generally favorable" reviews?

Is this still accurate to say? Right now it's sitting at 59% on google. I don't think we should go by metacritic scores alone. The audience backlash has been far too significant to ignore and major media outlets like IGN and Gamestop were particularly critical of the apparent state of the game's launch. 50.69.20.91 (talk) 18:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

We don’t use audience scores see WP:USERGENERATED. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Should Criticism on Glitches Be Included?

Criticism on its glitches seems significant enough. Master106 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

There is, under the Critical response section: Publications criticised the games for suffering from a range of technical and performance issues. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 13:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Setting and Plot

Shouldn't the Setting section be above the Plot section? The Setting section contains vital context that should be read before reading the plot summary. I would move it myself, but I'm unfamiliar with the process. Pokelego999 (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, typically setting is a subsection under plot section on video game articles. I've corrected this for now unless anyone has any objections. Skipple ☎ 02:55, 27 November 2022 (UTC)