Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012–13 UEFA Champions League

2012–13 UEFA Champions League

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Contains absolutely no information specific to the assumed 2012-13 event, based entirely on the unsourced assumption that it will be conducted on the same basis as at present. Kevin McE (talk) 22:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Article is based on earlier articles but may change if the organization changes how it is run. The article is easily changed in that case. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 00:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - all speculative material should be removed, per WP:CRYSTAL, especially if said information is, as the nominator implies, also factually incorrect. Giant Snowman 00:24, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Question regarding the text in the yellow box: Is UEFA really expected to define a completely new scheme of qualifying rounds and teams allocation? Country coefficients of seasons 2006–07 through 2010–11 should determine what country will qualify how many teams to which stage of the competition concerned - for example Ukraine will qualify its champion for the group stage and its runner-up for the third qualifying round. This period is over, so those coefficients can't change any more. All the information that is there in the article is based on them. And season 2011–12 (or 2011 in some countries like Norway) will determine which those teams will actually be - for example if Dynamo become Ukrainian champions, they will enter the group stage, and if Shakhtar finish second, they will enter the third qualifying round. Season 2011–12 commences as soon as a couple of months' time form now; and in those countries (like Norway) whose championships run from spring to autumn it is even nearly halfway finished. So a Norwegian team is now competing in their Premier League and knows that it has to occupy a given position there in order to qualify for a given stage of the CL, but is UEFA still to redefine this scheme and the team's objectives far after the start of their league season? --Theurgist (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Seems to be a clear-cut example of why WP:CRYSTAL was written. All the information is what is presumed will happen, with no references verifying it that this will actually be the case. The article can easily be recreated when reliable sources on the 2012–13 tournament come into existence. Jenks24 (talk) 06:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - It's fairly certain that this event will take place, but there have been no details confirmed about it yet and this article is based on conjecture that the tournament will follow the same structure as previous seasons. It's all guesswork, and like User:Jenks24 says, this is what WP:CRYSTAL was made for. – Pee Jay 13:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:CRYSTAL. The article can be easily recreated when concrete information becomes available. Argyle 4 Life^talk 16:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The issue here is that you can't reference an overwhelming absence of something. i.e. any indication of significant change. The only news we have heard about changes to the format UEFA competitions is that there will be 6 cup winners entering the group stage of the Europa League. As I understand it, the regulations for 2012-13 have been approved but unpublished. If that is the most mentionable piece of news to come out UEFA (or any news outlet) then I believe that both the Champions League and Europa League pages are justified in copying the format of previous years, but with the proviso note that there may be some alterations. I feel that the information is encyclopedically worthy.

However, technically I can't argue with the grounds for a drastic reduction in the page content (fully deleting it is excessive). As I say, there isn't a way to generally reference a complete lack of news as a justification for keeping the full page. And yes, it is possible that there has been a major overhaul of the competition which hasn't been announced or reported at all in footballing circles. Therefore I fear the page will be shortened for a few weeks until the new regulations are published. Aheyfromhome (talk) 20:27, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]