User talk:Bus stop

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Please don't mess up my recently archived Talk page by posting anything that fails to meet my standards, which will be explained at a later time.

Indefinite block

Since you seem to be unwilling or unable to cease from badgering one respondent after another in your own siteban discussion (bludgeoning par excellence), I have blocked you indefinitely. Note that this is not the WP:CBAN. It needs to run for at least 3 days before it can reach a formal conclusion. El_C 03:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C—"Thank you for all that you've done for the project, not least of which for your humanity and grace." Bus stop (talk) 03:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are not him and have not earned anything remotely resembling such praise. Any further provocations will see your talk page access revoked. El_C 03:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do what you need to do, El C. You are an administrator. Bus stop (talk) 03:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bus stop, no frivolous pings, either, please. El_C 03:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't say "please" if you don't mean it, El C. I don't reason with someone who holds a threat over my head. Bus stop (talk) 03:36, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bus stop, pardon the pun, but I will say please as I please. Talk page access revoked. El_C 03:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Twassman—sorry I couldn't continue right there, but my account was blocked

Twassman—I was open to several possible wordings such as, Einstein was Jewish, Einstein was a nonobservant Jew, Einstein was a secular Jew—it did not matter. The only acceptable language to my fellow editors was born into a Jewish family. Bus stop (talk) 03:21, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your email

Please do not contact me by email again. I have zero interest in communicating with or debating with you off-Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let it be noted to anyone who watches this page that Bus stop ignored my request to not contact me again by email, and sent another unwanted email. You are shameless, Bus stop, and I am forced to block emails from you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:47, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed Bus stop's ability to use the "Email this user" facility. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are banned from Wikipedia

At WP:ANI, the community decided to make you subject to a site ban. See WP:SITEBAN. You are therefore forbidden to contribute to Wikipedia under any account or IP address. Sandstein 09:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A ban appeal was [1] at WP:AN. starship .paint (exalt) 14:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You were a good editor, this parting part partially aside, best of luck in your future endeavours! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is most distressing. I hope you'll be able to come back after an obligatory wait time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This is wrong on so many levels it went back to feeling strangely fine again. 05:55, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

unblock request

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Request reason:

From a sourcing point of view there can be no doubt that Einstein was Jewish. But it was determined, based on such policies as WP:ONUS and WP:CONSENSUS, that the Albert Einstein article should not pointedly state "Einstein was Jewish". The other editors preferred the language "was born into a Jewish family". WP:ONUS tells us: "While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, not all verifiable information needs to be included in an article...consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted". This information was clearly verifiable but consensus determined that its inclusion would not improve the article. I WP:BLUDGEONED at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein/Archive_19#Einstein_and_Jewishness. I should not have argued against a longstanding WP:CONSENSUS which did not want to pointedly state that Einstein was Jewish. The other editors weighing in to that discussion disagreed with the edit I was suggesting and I should have respected their opinion when it became obvious that consensus was against me. While I cannot undo the past I can vow never to do that again. I bludgeoned (WP:BLUDGEONED) the article Talk page and I offer this sincere commitment to not be overly argumentative at article Talk pages again. I am asking that my account be un-blocked so that I may continue to constructively edit Wikipedia. This was requested at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive330#Ban_removal_request_of_Bus_stop but my request was denied with the expectation that I wait 6 months before requesting again. Hence this appeal now. Thank you.

Decline reason:

This is a community ban and as such an unblock request will need to be discussed at AN. I will copy this unblock request to there. Black Kite (talk) 20:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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What topics do you want to edit? PhilKnight (talk) 18:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The record shows he's bludgeoned numerous discussions on topics far and wide in which the word "Jewish" comes up. I don't see anything in the request that indicates he understands or would be able to modify this behavior. SPECIFICO talk 19:00, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about an unblock with an indefinite "Jewish" topic ban? Then after a year or two the topic ban could perhaps also be revisited, contingent upon edit history. He appears to need a set of training wheels, but it's been six months so he should be given his bicycle back. - JGabbard (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

unblock request, yet again

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Bus stop (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

From a sourcing point of view there can be no doubt that Einstein was Jewish. But it was determined, based on such policies as WP:ONUS and WP:CONSENSUS, that the Albert Einstein article should not pointedly state "Einstein was Jewish". The other editors preferred the language "was born into a Jewish family". WP:ONUS tells us: "While information must be verifiable to be included in an article, not all verifiable information needs to be included in an article...consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted". This information was clearly verifiable but consensus determined that its inclusion would not improve the article. I WP:BLUDGEONED at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Albert_Einstein/Archive_19#Einstein_and_Jewishness I should not have argued against a longstanding WP:CONSENSUS which did not want to pointedly state that Einstein was Jewish. The other editors weighing in to that discussion disagreed with the edit I was suggesting and I should have respected their opinion when it became obvious that consensus was against me. While I cannot undo the past I can vow never to do that again. I bludgeoned (WP:BLUDGEONED) the article Talk page and I offer this sincere commitment to not be overly argumentative at article Talk pages again. I am asking that my account be un-blocked so that I may continue to constructively edit Wikipedia. It should be very obvious that some people (editors) are very sensitive about Jewishness. I understand that and appreciate the need for caution in the assertion that the subject of an article is Jewish. This subject has been discussed truly ad infinitum at this project. As a non-editor, for over a year now, I have come across numerous discussions, often heated, as to whether a subject can be identified as Jewish or not. These would include current as well as older discussions. I think my above unblock request touches on some of the factors involved in these decision-making processes. I'm not sure what more I can say. I thank the community for their consideration. User:Bus stop

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