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Peace, culture, and education

I thought I was going to be out of here for a couple of weeks but the business spike never materialized. You're stuck with me.

Quite a bit of SG primary sources emphasize the theme of "peace, culture, and education." It seems that the SG article, strangely, picks up this theme in the lede, mentions it again in the history section, and then drops it. I think the article touches on the topics of peace, culture, and education but it is not organized around these themes.

I want to propose such a restructuring. The section that is now "Peace Activities" (after B&P) should be relabeled "Peace, Culture, and Education." Then we provide three subsections: Peace, Culture, Education. We then sink into these subsections a lot of the material that is now elsewhere. For example, all of the information on education is now under "Organization" which is not intuitive. R Instead, this information would be pulled under Peace, Culture, Education: Education.

In the past I just would have done this but after being roughed up a little by you guys last week I'm exercising constraint. BrandenburgG (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not a regular editor, but anything to make the article easier to read and more thematized would be helpful. Right now it is extremely long and feels highly unwieldy. Themes are useful ways of conveying information meaningfully. Two cents anyway. Cleopatran Apocalypse (talk) 23:31, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Agree. Too long,too unwieldy. BrandenburgG (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes! I think the "Organization" section ought to be just it's current lede, the "Membership" subsection, and maybe the "List of Presidents". Including all the other stuff there might give the impression that every member of the organization is, or has to be, involved with organized peace activities, or has to send their kid to s Soka run school - those are all auxiliaries to the "Organization". BTW, I intend to move Beliefs and Practices up to the top, where it belongs.--Daveler16 (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I clarified Nichiren Buddhism's relation to the original Lotus Sutra in the opening and gave a more accurate view of the Toda's goal of 750,000 converts. It was more a personal resolution rather than a "challenge" to the membership.Ltdan43 (talk) 22:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

As discussed above, I am trying to pull the varying strands into a coherent structure under the theme of "Peace, culture and education." BrandenburgG (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

I finished my work of tidying up the subsections by pulling into "Peace, culture and education" strands from other sections. I need to step back for a bit due to work. In the task of simplifying the article perhaps we can also take a look at condensing the number of subsections. For example, instead of the current "Criticisms of the SG Peace Polices" and "Support of the SG Peace Policies", perhaps one subsection "Criticisms and Support of the SG Peace Policies" can be created.

BrandenburgG (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm the one who made the "Support" sub section, so I'll take a look at it. I like what you're doing - the less, the merrier, in this case.--Daveler16 (talk) 16:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

B&P once more

I'm going through Beliefs and Practices to make sure there's nothing in it that requires reading the previous section (History). As soon as that's done, I would like to move it up to the beginning. I have always believed -- and I have seen no genuine arguments to the contrary -- that that is what most readers are looking for, so I see no reason to bury it. I will hesitate, if there are any objections, until it's discussed here; otherwise, I will move the section soon.--Daveler16 (talk) 16:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I took out some sentences that had more to do with other sects than with Soka Gakkai. And it seemed to me that one might conclude that a proest named Nichikan had conceived the Gohonzon, so I made it clear it was Nichiren.--Daveler16 (talk) 23:17, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems the image of the Gohonzon does nothing to enhance the understanding of the SWoka Gakkai by people not already members, and serves only to offend those who are Soka Gakkai members. In other words, it's not serving any positive, helpful purpose. So I'm removing it.--Daveler16 (talk) 20:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

18 days, no objections raised - so I moved Beliefs and Practices. Thank you. --Daveler16 (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Changed some Japanese terms to their English equivalents.--Daveler16 (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)