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Hello. While editing an article it sometimes happens that people type the wrong spellings and click save page without knowing their mistake. What's the best way to avoid this from happening and does Wikipedia have an automatic spelling correction option? Thank you very much. KahnJohn27 (talk) 09:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi KahnJohn. There's no automated spellchecker in the standard Wikipedia editing interface (I have a feeling there's one included in AutoWiki Browser). Making a typo is no great disaster, it's easy enough to edit the page again and correct it. You can also use the Show Preview button at the bottom of the edit window to see how your changes will look before saving them, which should show up any spelling errors. If you're interested in helping fix the spelling errors within Wikipedia, you might want to think about joining the Typo Team. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Help me-help Hello. I would like to know how to create archives on UserTalk pages in case if there be need for it in the future. Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 15:56, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The process is described at WP:ARCHIVE. Mdann52 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't know about that. Thank you! KahnJohn27 (talk) 17:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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Wai Wai World 2: SOS! Parsley Jō

I've asked your page move to be reverted. Sorry for the inconvenience. Greetings. --Canyq (talk) 00:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I've made your test and I can see the problem. So, as you said, it seems that template is malfunctioning under article names with "!!". Ok, I'll see if something can be done to address that. I'll tell you when there are news. And by the way, good luck with those exams! Greetings. --Canyq (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you and one more thing I'll like to edit is Lords Of Shadow 2 by removing it as per WP:NAV since the game does not have any article. But before doing that I'll like to discuss it with other people. I had edited the Elder Scrolls template by Linking Hearthfire to the Skyrim article since it did not have any article of it's own. The reason for this was that the DLC is not an expansion like Dawnguard of Dragonborn. Therefore I think Lords of Shadow 2 should also be removed under the same policy till it has it's own article. And by the way thank you for wishing me good luck. KahnJohn27 (talk) 06:59, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome. As to Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2, I would not worry too much: it is OK if it is deleted but if not, having its own article is a matter of time. And now, speaking of Wai Wai World 2, I started a thread here. I have added a paragraph to Template:Video game titles/doc; as English is not my native language, feel free to correct it if you find any mistake. To come back to Wai Wai World 2, if you do not mind, I will ask Wai Wai World 2: SOS!! Parsley Jō to be deleted in order to move Wai Wai World 2: SOS! Parsley Jō back to it as, according to both cover and title screen, the right title seems to have two exclamation marks. Best wishes. --Canyq (talk) 21:40, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Well it looks like the list has been fixed. How did you do it? KahnJohn27 (talk) 08:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I found out how the list has been fixed. Anyway thanks for you help. If there's something I can ever do to help you you can ask me anytime. Thank you and Happy New year. KahnJohn27 (talk) 08:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your offer of help. I regret there wasn't a more elegant solution for {{Video game titles/item}} issue like a modification in his code instead of leaving to users side the responsability of replacing !! with !! but I'm afraid that's the way it is. Happy new year!! --Canyq (talk) 00:33, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Be careful what you remove

Dear John,

I assume that you're new, so I'm here to tell you a bit about reference tag which you accidentally removed. When you made some edits, you might come across a reference tagged as <ref name="Name 1" >Reference 1</ref>. It's a core reference for multiple citations. When you remove it, please keep in mind that there are other sections depending on this core citation. Anything in the reference tag (in this case "Reference 1") will be use again whenever <ref name="Name 1" /> comes up. So please be very careful when you remove it or you will create a citation error. If you really must remove it, you must relocate <ref name="Name 1">Reference 1</ref> to anywhere that share this same source. And then you get rid of <ref name="Name 1" /> tag at the new location while keeping <ref name="Name 1">Reference 1</ref>

For example:

Statement A, Statement B, and Statement C, all use the same source. (See this in editor window.)

Suppose that you removed Statement A and its citation, you MUST always relocate the core reference that used to be behind Statement A, to behind Statement B or Statement C. Like this:

Statement B, and Statement C, all use the same source. (See this in editor window.)

It is also important not to misspell its name. If you want to name use "Name 1", don't type it wrong or it won't show. Like this: (See this in editor window.) It creates an error below at reference #2.

The current version of Dark Knight Rises (film) article has two errors accidentally caused by you. It is marked in big red letters in the reference section. You totally removed a core reference for multiple citation. And you made another mistake by misspelling another one's name. I do not have time to fix this tonight, so if you wish to practice using this form of citation, maybe you can try fixing this on your own. You might not remember what you removed, so maybe you can check the version before you made the edits and see what they were. Anthonydraco (talk) 18:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Never mind. It doesn't seem like you've very active here, so I've fixed it for you. I've also discovered what you did wrong. You mixed up reference tags. If you want to add your own statement, provide the statement and add your reference. Leave others alone, so you don't confuse yourself. You messed with other references, and when you submitted your result, you didn't remember which one belonged to which, so you tagged a reference to a wrong statement. I've fixed that. Also, remember that when you use multiple citation tag, the core tag <ref name="Name 1" >Reference 1</ref> doesn't contain / behind "Name 1". The repeated citation <ref name="Name 1" /> has / behind "Name 1". Be very careful or you'll create an error.

Reference

I'm sorry but the article's too large for me to even notice my error. Because of it's size I didn't even bother to carefully review the changes I've made. I'll try not to repeat this problem. KahnJohn27 (talk) 13:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism in List of most expensive films

Hello, KahnJohn27. First of all I have to say that as I'm not an administrator I cannot take any measure like semi-locking a page since I haven't the needed privileges. By the way, administrators are usually rather reluctant to semi-lock too quickly. That said, apparently the protocol in in these cases of vandalism is explained here. But that procedure is useless for a dynamic IP and I'm not sold on using the warnings at the first chance in cases of blatant vandalism because somehow is like "feeding the troll", so what I would do before use warnings is revert, as you already did, browse vandal's contributions list to see if he made another vandalic editions, and then add the vandalized page(s) to my watchlist for a few months. If the vandal insists, then you can use the warnings and then report him here. I hope it helps. Also, you may subscribe to vandal's contributions RSS feed to track all his editions but, again, if the guy has a dynamic IP, that measure is useless. --Canyq (talk) 20:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Well it just can't be left there openly fro anyone to do anything they want on that page. And I'm sorry I actually thought you were an administrator. I just took a quick decision because I thought if somebody can vandalise such an important list in such a way why won't they try it again. Still thanks for the advice. I'll think twice next time before jumping to a conclusion. Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 04:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. And don't get worried or disappointed: it's just that, as Wikipedia is completely open project, there are civic-minded and antisocial people, right like in the real world. I know it's frustrating to find destructive behaviors but, you know, as British say, "keep calm and carry on". --Canyq (talk) 22:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Edits on List of best-selling video games

John - thanks for your diligence in maintaining the List of best-selling video games page. On my talk page you indicated I made an incorrect edit. However, I believe you are mistaken. This link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_best-selling_video_games&diff=534359167&oldid=534247229 shows that my edits were restricted to editing the Minecraft stats on the site. I didn't make any edits of the blackops, mw2 or mw3 numbers. The edits I did were well-sourced, and took into account the various platforms mentioned by the sources. Tim Bird (talk) 01:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Royalty free iamges

Some websites like stock.xchng, shutterstock etc provide royalty-free photos. They can be used for editorial purposed but not for commercial purposes. I'll like to know if I can use photos of celebrities from these sites for the article of the specific celebrity that I have downloaded the image of. KahnJohn27 (talk) 12:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

No, sorry, you can't - the "non-commercial" restriction is not acceptable for Wikipedia. JohnCD (talk) 12:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

TCM

I reverted you because you provided NO source for your figures. You cannot say that another site is inaccurate but neglect to actually provide a reliable source for your figures. You just keep changing the numbers. Per verifiability, I'm in my right to remove it because there is no source (let alone a reliable one) that verifies your information. You need to actually provide the source in the article and it needs to be a reliable source. I don't know "boxoffice.com", so I don't know if that's a reliable source or not. When I see the link to the page I'll check the reliability of the source. Until then, the figure remains "inaccurate", as you put it, because the source listed does not contain those figures.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, you're not getting wha I'm saying so I'll spell it out for you a bit more. The onus is not on me to go seek out a source for the information. It's on the person adding it. On the TCM page, there is no foreign figures listed. If there is another page that lists foreign figures, THEN ADD IT. I am not obligated to go searching through a website to source something YOU want to add. BOM is, and has always been, an acceptable source for box office figures. The fact that it is owned by IMDb does not make it unreliable. The difference between BOM and IMDb is that the latter contains user submitted information, and the former does not when it comes to box office figures. That said, it still comes down to the fact that you have not provide an actual source. You just say "look and calculate". How about, ADD A SOURCE. If the source is fine, then the information is fine. But you cannot change information and not provide an updated source, with the explanation of "go look and calculate". Wikipedia doesn't work that way.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:32, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Brother you say that I can't decide which site is unreliable. But you're basically contradicting your own statement here. If you want to know it's reliable pe not here's the proof thenumbers.com backs up boxoffice.com figures. Now I don't think both of these sites will be wrong. Also the numbers.com has a foreign sectipn so I could easily overturn your talk against you and revert your edit by listing multiple sources. 2 is better than 1. Also if you still don't agree then I advise you to take this matter to the reliable sources noticeboard where a consensus might be reached by us and other users. Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 22:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Are you serious? I didn't say YOU couldn't decide anything. Matter of fact, I didn't say anything about you other than you clearly do not understand what I'm saying. I did NOT claim that boxoffice.com was NOT reliable. I said that I don't know about it's reliability, because I've not heard of it. I said that BOM is considered reliable. The fact that BOM doesn't have foreign information and box office.com or the-numbers.com do is neither here nor there with regard to BOM. If you have a source for foreign information then ADD IT. It doesn't get anymore simpler than that. I've only reverted you because you are not providing any source whatsoever. You're claiming to have seen a figure and calculated the foreign gross, but you have never once actually provided the source that shows the figure. Please take a moment to read the policy on verifiability. Don't speak to me about "overturning my talk" or whatever you were trying to say. What I have contended from the start is that you have to have a reliable source to add information, and you need to ADD that source to the page. I don't care if there are 2 sources or 20 sources on the page that back up a fact...they just need to be present. That is what I have said from the start. Read my very first sentence: "I reverted you because you provided NO source for your figures." It's pretty simple what I was saying, and even more simple what you need to do if you want to add the information. It is not my responsibility to find the source and add it for you.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:18, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll only waste by time talking to you. I am not responsible. Who do you think then is responsible for it? One thing it is written in the policies of wikipedia that a editor should be responsible. KahnJohn27 (talk) 09:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey you want proof? There's no proof that either BOM or boxoffice.com is completely reliable however under the current definition of a reliable sources if a source contradicts itself in this case BOM them it can't be used as a reliable source. Also not just me but manyvother users have used boxoffice.com as a more reliable spurce instead pf BOM. So basically you're going against the consensus and induldging in probable potential vandalism. To avoid situation like these I told you to take matter to a noticeboard otherwise you're going to strike the axe on your own feet. KahnJohn27 (talk) 09:44, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I actually owe you an apology. I've been arguing with you this entire time because I misread the source's url. Everytime you changed the figure I kept going back to BOM.com to check (which didn't have that figure), because I thought that the source next to it said "boxofficemojo.com". I just realized that it has said "boxoffice.com" the entire time. When I went to the source listed next to the figure (instead of the external link at the bottom of the page, that I thought was also the sournce next to the figure), I saw the 38 million figure. So, again, I apologize. It was my oversight for not clearly looking at the source's url when this all started. I was only arguing this because I thought that there was a different source on the page, and that source didn't say that figure.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:12, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Ha no problem. You did not know. No need to apologise. KahnJohn27 (talk) 16:21, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I didn't bother to read your message completely for one reason, I think you were mistaken in what you were accusing me of. As soon as I saw your edit to the page and your edit summary, I quickly realized that you were confusing my edit (here), with these edits (here and here <---this was not me). Just to be more specific, I did not change your sources or change your data. What I did was remove a personal interpretation of that data ("which makes it successful"), because that is exactly that...a personal interpretation of the data. There was no secondary source discussing the financial success of the film, especially given that we have no idea how much it cost to market the film. With a budget of 20 million dollars, marketing come easily be just as much, if not more. Given that the standard rule of thumb (not an exact science mind you) is 3 times the budget equals a success, I would say the film has not met that. Either way, my opinion doesn't matter as it's an interpretation and that is why I removed that little snippet that was there. So....I'll let you read your comment to me again and see if it still applies, given that it was rather aggressive and rude.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:16, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

		The Resilient Barnstar
		It's all good. Everyone is entitled to a brain fart, and it just so seems that you and I seem to be entitled to have them with regard to each other. :D  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

RE: Xbox 360 sales list

I'm not entirely sure to what you ware referring. If you are referring to this edit, then I didn't seek consensus because I didn't think it would be controversial. My intention was not to remove reliable figures but to essentially to cut down the number of lists to be maintained to 1 rather than 2 (per platform). If the list I replaced the existing data with is/was out of date, that is problem regardless of whether the data is also shown on the multi-platform list; the solution is to update List of best-selling Xbox 360 video games, not to remove the template-like functionality. As such (and as you have clearly updated the existing list), I have restored my version of List of best-selling video games, since having the list duplicated makes no sense.

I am not familiar with Statisticsbrain, and thus cannot comment on their reliability, although I see no reason in particular to trust their numbers any more than those of VGChartz. They do not cite any sources for any of their figures as far as I can see (although I haven't dug that deep) and I cannot find any methodology. While they do state what their source(s) is/are, they do not link them, and thus we cannot verify them. In fact, after only looking at about 10 pages I found 1 which cited Wikipedia as its source and another that cited Wikimedia as a whole, and thus it seems to fail WP:V.

If you "proof" is the company's own about page that you linked, then that proves nothing about the reliability of their figures. If there is a consensus on their use being reliable, I'd like to see it (Wikipedia doesn't work on "proof" as such). I will leave their figures in (at least for now) as I am not aware of any consensus either way regarding their reliability, but I will check at WP:VG to find out if there is a consensus, or to reach one.

Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 14:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Edited by Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 16:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, your edits to List of best-selling Xbox 360 video games also removed numerous reliably sourced figures. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 14:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Statistic Brain

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Statistic Brain. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 16:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

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Box office sites

KahnJohn27, This is BattleshipMan. May I remind you that some box-office sites are never accurate or reliable, including Boxoffice.com & Box Office Mojo and there is no consensus to select a particular box-office site for reference on those production costs and box-office numbers. Unless you can have Wikipedia admin to settle a consensus on whichever the box-office site to use as reference, otherwise, there is nothing to change on whatever box-office site to pick for references. BattleshipMan (talk) 04:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Look, I understand your reasons and it's looks it's with your good intentions. But there is conflicting reports of production budgets in various movies and box-office numbers on those sites on various movies. We don't know which site is accurate and reliable at this point. I brought this matter to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. This issue is on this section so you can explain your reasons for replacing the box-office numbers from BOM to Boxoffice.com to the third party. BattleshipMan (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

No one really knows which box office site is accurate and I'm not contradicting myself, just to let you know. I brought it up to the WP:FILM so the third party can discuss this issue. BattleshipMan (talk) 20:23, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Please refrain from coming to my talk page

That barnstar you kept going on about was on March 19. It's got nothing to do with now. You talking barnstars? I've at least a dozen. What's your point? You constant haranguing of me is the definition of combative. But I've had enough of being ranted at by a high school kid. Please stop leaving messages on my talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I've had enough of you leaving baseless rants at my talk page. I have been civil with you the entire time whike you're behavior is completely out of line. If you don't want me leaving comments on your talk page fine. You're totally disrespectful. And what's wrong with user of any age editing Wikipedia even if he's a kid, teen, adult, middle-aged or even an elderly. I was 10 and a half at the time I first edited Wikipedia and about to be 15 in June Happy Now! Now stop ranting at my talk page. I've had it with your insults. KahnJohn27 (talk) 05:09, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Blackmane (talk) 10:33, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

MarnetteD is completely incapable of listening to reason

KahnJohn27, I'm afraid MarnetteD is completely incapable of listening to reason. These exchanges cause her great personal upset and she has no interest in improving Wikipedia's articles. It is disappointing there are users like this who vandalise Wikipedia but that's the unfortunate reality of allowing anyone to contribute. When called into question, MarnetteD often becomes quite aggressive, deletes any contributions that are not in line with her personal opinion and often tries to get others involved to support her. She made reference to my personal address in our last exchange in an effort to intimidate. These bullying tactics are not what Wikipedia is about. You are correct in pointing out that MarnetteD is, in fact, the disruptive editor and I am currently looking into having her temporarily suspended so she can reflect on her nuisance behaviour and bring a more mature approach to her editing when allowed to return. 1.126.42.145 (talk) 03:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC) Cassel.

I have witnessed the rude and combative behavior of this user myself. I was willing to let this matter go earlier as I don't hold anything against anyone. Also she has grossly misrepresented my statements which you can see on her talk page but I was also willing to let that go. But since she has induldged in combative behavior I cannot then just sit and watch. Apart from that I can't say about her trying to enforce her opinion since I've talked only a few times to her. She should be reported and it will be up to the admins and they will decide if she should be punished and what punishment to be given to her. She should be held accountable for her actions. However I think that the admins should first warn her. I can also complain about this user myself if you are unable to. Also please note that there is a Tenebrae who has personally attacked me by passing insults and name-calling me and I'm going to report him too. He dismissed my comments as rants by a high school student. Of course I'm a high school student but it can easily be seen what he is implying by this statement. He means to say that teenagers rant and because I'm a teenager my comments are rants. This insult is deliberately directed towards me. This kind of behavior is simply not tolerable on Wikipedia no matter how much experienced someone is. KahnJohn27 (talk) 04:18, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I sympathize, friend. I've had trouble with MarnetteD also. You can see at the end of the section of the talk page HERE I'm taking the time to try to explain something as genuinely and as clearly as possible, which subsequently gets offhandedly dismissed as a "Wall of text" (by the way a few paragraphs does not a "wall of text" make, check HERE for a REAL wall of text and see how User Acroterion has shown considerable patience and fairness beyond what I would consider the "call of duty"). Having never heard the expression "wall-of-text" before the discussion with MarnetteD, I was deeply offended, as it completely missed the points I was trying to make (at that point I didn't realize "he" was a "she" - I also had never heard the name "Marnette" before, hence the confusion). The discussion ended by another user actually providing some constructive input in the form of references, which is what MarnetteD should have done from the beginning. I think user MarnetteD is impatient, inconsiderate and ill-mannered and needs some diplomacy skills. Up until now I was considering my run-in with her a personal matter that I had to deal with myself, in my own way, under the restrictive umbrella of Wikipedia, but now I see she treats others the same way. I see also she removes comments on her talk page that happen to disagree with her point of view (check the revision history of her discussion with you)! Its no longer a personal matter, its a civil matter, which should be of interest to Wikipedia as a whole. You have my support at least. -- Jodon | Talk 11:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

In that case I recommend you immediately report about this user's uncivil and impolite behavior to the administrator noticeboard then. Nobody should dismiss anybody's comments as "wall-text". This is a gross disrespect of other users. If this user is guilty of what you say then the admins will take care of this matter if you report to them. In case you do I will vouch for your claim. I forgave her because I know sometimes my behavior is rash. But now I know that my behavior was not responsible for her bashing me with accusations multiple times. It is the fault of her own behavior and she has displayed this conflicting behavior. I suggest you take strict action and report about her behavior at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. She cannot be allowed to continue this irresponsible behavior with other users. This is seriously against the rules of Wikipedia. KahnJohn27 (talk) 13:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I was reluctant to do that before because I just wanted to take it on the chin and chalk it up to experience, and frankly I didn't think the "abuse" was serious enough to report. I may have been wrong, now that I see its happening elsewhere. I think I will do as you suggest because its not just about me any more, its about other users as well. In the meantime I added a comment to her talk page as part of your discussion there, and she now has removed the whole discussion! See how she compared me to an "insect" in her edit summary (see the revision history)! Ha ha! What stupendous arrogance! It seems she's incapable of taking any constructive criticism, let alone actually responding to it in a civilized and humane manner! As a senior editor she has a responsibility (like all editors) to be more gracious with newer editors such as ourselves , and not be so dismissive, since it is well accepted that newer editors can add just as much value (sometimes more, with a fresh perspective) as established editors do. Newer editors should be encouraged, not dismissed. Although an account was set up for me 3 years ago, I've only started editing in the last few months, learning about policy as I go along, but not unsympathetic to those also are still learning. -- Jodon | Talk 14:44, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Just read your latest post. Well said. You may have noticed I added my 2 cents worth to the discussion. It looks like it fell on deaf ears as the subsequent comments have completely ignored mine! I think this needs 3rd-party intervention i.e. from an admin with no previous involvement, as they are obviously only going to support each other ad infinitum. Have you taken your discussion to the Dispute resolution noticeboard yet? -- Jodon | Talk 15:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there is need for it right now. However if there will be I will take my discussion there. Also please note that MarnetteD has again misrepresented my statement at ANI. She won't improve her behavior but still I don't think we should just let her get away with it. KahnJohn27 (talk) 05:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

ANI con't.

Hello KahnJohn27,

As I mentioned in the most-recent ANI thread, I'd be happy to lend a hand if you feel that informal mediation would help on the WP:Film talk page. I've asked Tenebrae as well. Regards, m.o.p 17:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Just to ensure you see it, I replied to you here on my talk page. Please try to be a bit calmer. The issue is resolved, let's move on.

On to different matters - I noticed that you took the issue from WT:Film to the RS board, where consensus seems to indicate that you're the only editor who's pushing for boxoffice.com's inclusion and that others don't see it as a good source. Am I missing anything? Do you feel you've been misrepresented or slighted by anyone (aside from the age-related remarks, which have already been dealt with)? m.o.p 00:01, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I think you might not have noticed that but User:Erik has said that Boxoffice.com is reliable. Apart from that I have only said that Boxoffice.com should be only included where this "n/a" is happening. Also I have proved from time to time that BOM is not completely reliable. KahnJohn27 (talk) 13:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Erik stated it's acceptable, but every other voice so far has weighed in in BOM's favour. I think there's a key misunderstanding here; while you may fact-check sources as you like, community consensus (so far) indicates that BOM is preferred to BoxOffice.com. We are not in the position to denounce a trade-sourced resource as unreliable just because they don't have complete figures in some areas. I think this may a battle you have to concede; I appreciate that you're trying to do what's best for Wikipedia by ensuring we have correct figures, but remember that, per SYNTH, we cannot extrapolate. Even in basic cases such as this, where all you're doing is adding box office totals, the reliable source will always trump one editor's calculations, simply for the reason that they are widely-recognized as reputable, have links to the inner circles of Hollywood, and do this for a living. We are merely volunteers with calculators. I know this isn't what you want to hear, but given that multiple editors have already raised concerns with how far you're taking this issue, it may be best to back off of it and focus on other areas for now. m.o.p 16:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry m.o.p. but I cant back off from this issue. I hope you understand it's not because of my pride or it is correct according to me. It's no more just about Boxoffice.com or BOM but also bringing about positive change to Wikipedia and if I alone have to do it I'll still do it.There are many things wrong with Wikipedia but it because of us. I'm no philosopher or priest and can understand your concerns. I'm not trying to enforce my opinions on anybody nor I'm trying to get into a dispute with anybody. But as I have already said I trust your judgment. KahnJohn27 (talk) 22:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Remember how I asked you not to engage other editors? Yeah, things like this are what I was talking about. Please, please - do not do things like that. It's unnecessary and it complicates things further. Try to keep that in mind. m.o.p 06:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Alright, we're nearing the limit on how many times I can ask nicely. This is unacceptable. Marnette asked you - very nicely, I must add - not to edit his talk page further. Please respect other people's requests. If this happens again, we'll have to start discussing actual repercussions. m.o.p 23:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

"Hello Bluerules"

Just wondering, why did you call BattleshipMan by my username?

Also, keep fighting the good fight. Bluerules (talk) 06:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm really sorry about that. Recently I had seen a discussion on Darkwarriorblake's talk page where he has blamed you of disruptive behavior. I have a forgetful behavior and that is the reason why I by mistake called BattleshipMan as Bluerules. KahnJohn27 (talk) 13:50, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh that's fine, I was just curious. I don't exactly get along with BattleshipMan. Bluerules (talk) 01:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Reported about MarnetteD

Discussion copied from my talk page to this page as Tenebrae got involved and his comments had no relevance to me. This is for your own records KahnJohn, you can reply on either page and I will respond. -- Jodon | Talk 00:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Jodon1971. I have already reported about MarnetteD's behavior to User:Master of Puppets. He has already helped in stopping Tenebrae's personal attacks on me and I believe he will help you too. I request you to add your comments there and solidify ths case. Thank you. KahnJohn27 (talk) 22:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

There were no personal attacks, KahnJohn27, as evidenced by the fact your attempt at an ANI against me was dismissed. I had told you I was tired of having a high-school student ranting at my talk page, and asked you not to post there again (which you did not heed). You say you are a high-school student in the very first words of your user page. No one made you put that there, and you're free to remove it. But you cannot make a self-descriptive claim and then say others are "attacking" you for using that same description. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi KahnJohn, Thanks for your message. I had seen that User:Master of Puppets was assisting you now. Wish I'd had someone like that to help me in the early days. I'd say you couldn't be in better hands.

I'm not sure why Tenebrae is here, as his comments should properly be addressed on your talk page and have nothing to do with me. And your help request has been answered.

As regards MarnetteD, I've only had a brief incident on one article talk page, hardly a solid case. I just picked up on her "attitude" to you on her talk page and equated it with my own experience, and wasn't happy that she wasn't giving due consideration to less experienced users. This is a character flaw that neither she nor her "wiki" friends seem to acknowledge. I said an apology from her to me would go a long way, especially if it was genuine and not condescending, and I would certainly forgive her iniquities and believe that she had some redeeming qualities. However I don't expect that to happen, and won't get too worked up over it. Such is life, or more to the point, such is Wikipedia. Having said that, I do have some reservations about this "community", but we'll keep that discussion for another time.

Don't let this experience discourage you from future edits, and as Bluerules said; "keep fighting the good fight". I hope we meet again under happier editing circumstances! Good luck! -- Jodon | Talk 23:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Case-by-case approach

I wanted to say hello and to let you know that if needed, I can weigh in on a discussion about box office figures for a specific film article. I think it is fair to say that both Box Office Mojo and BoxOffice.com are reliable sources (though the latter may not be as proven in practice). It may be a matter of seeing how the sources compare as a film's theatrical run winds down, and we can figure out a good practice that we can share with others for films still in theaters. Just drop a line on my talk page if you do start such a discussion on a particular article! Regards, Erik (talk | contribs) 20:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Jack the Giant Slayer

What I meant was I cannot verify the 200 million because you incorrectly imputed the web address in the citation. I do not know the correct address. Please try to fix this.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 10:09, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got it.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Another friendly check-in

I think it's noble that you're being honest, as you were here; that being said, it might be beneficial to be a bit less blunt. I'm not saying you should lie, but outright telling people you don't trust them doesn't do much other than offend them and/or make them defensive. It's best to leave things like that unsaid. I do appreciate that you're attempting to make the best of the situation, though. Just try to keep that in mind for next time. Regards, m.o.p 19:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Olympus Has Fallen

Hey, Kahn. Can you manually calculate the total box-office gross numbers on Olympus Has Fallen so we can have true worldwide numbers? BattleshipMan (talk) 05:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Reply: No, I don't trust the numbers on Boxoffice.com. And I will calculate the gross numbers. BattleshipMan (talk) 04:15, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sorry for the misspelling of your name. There can be confusing with some names with the same letters in different positions. And I wouldn't trust boxoffice.com on the production budget. It says Olympus Has Fallen is $100 million dollars, which is 30 million higher than what it shows on BOM.

So I check out The Numbers first for full worldwide box-gross first and do a calculation from there. Is that right? BattleshipMan (talk) 05:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

According to the BOM, as of 4/28/13, the foreign gross shows is at $35,080,467, but they are several countries listed on that site that have update their box-office gross on that movie, as show here. I want to find out if the box-office gross on there is at where The Numbers and Boxoffice, which is why I want to calculate it. BattleshipMan (talk) 06:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you

Thank you for reinserting MangaUpdates as a source on List of Castlevania media which user had removed without any proper explanation. TransVannian (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all. KahnJohn27 (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Dust 514

Apologies for the misunderstanding, but you are mistaken regarding my reverts on Dust 514; they didn't alter your additions at all. In the future, please double check. -- atropos235 ✄ (blah blah, my past) 16:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

SOHR sources

Not sure if I can provide you with the specific link to that discussion because it was actually multiple discussions, and not just one, made mostly on the talk pages of the Syrian civil war article and on the talk pages of the Battle of Aleppo article. Made on multiple occasions starting almost two years ago. The issue was raised several times so multiple sections of the talk page were dedicated to it. But I can give you the jist of what was decided. Due to the Facebook posts being official posts made by SOHR (which is being quoted repeatedly by foreign reliable news media outlets), and not posts made by individuals who can not be verified as reliable sources, it was considered to be, to a degree, a reliable source. However, due to it again being Facebook, which Wikipedia does not really condone, it was decided to use the SOHR Facebook announcements in the least amount possible. Plus, some editors had a problem with SOHR being a pro-opposition activist group, thus non-neutral, although at times it also criticised the rebels and not just the government. So the primary focus for which the posts would be used was reports of deaths, namely reports of daily death tolls or reports of overall deaths. And that's it. As for all other reports made by SOHR Facebook, they would be excluded unless a non-Facebook reliable source was to be provided which quotes SOHR directly or some such. Confirmation of the agreement to use SOHR Facebook as a death toll source in this way you can find with editors like Sopher99 or Lothar von Richthofen. Also, to my knowledge, except one or two persons, people generally haven't mind to quote SOHR Facebook when a report of a change in territory is made between the warring sides, although we mostly look to replace these with non-Facebook reliable sources as soon as possible. EkoGraf (talk) 04:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

A hardcore anti-opposition editor who doesn't condone the use of SOHR in any form, or a user, like you, who objectes to the use of Facebook sources. Personally, I can tell you, that I myself am highly against using opposition or government reports as a source unless it is relayed by a reliable media outlet. During the Libyan civil war I reverted and removed edits based on opposition or government sources on sight. However, during the past two years I have found SOHR, though officially an opposition news source, to be, for the most part, neutral (they report on rebel war crimes as much as government ones) and reliable (90 percent of their claims being confirmed as true and being reported by the reliable news sources like Reuters, AFP, etc). So I have come to accept it. EkoGraf (talk) 05:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Huh??? What??? What are you talking about? I think we have had some kind of misunderstanding. I did not blame you for anything at all. What I said was a reply to your question who the one or two persons were. When I said there were a few persons who were objecting to the use of SOHR I ment someone who is anti-opposition, like the anonymous user, or a few people who have from time to time objected to the use of SOHR Facebook sources in the way you did, I did not mean you specificaly. That's all, I did not blame you for anything. I'm sorry if you felt that way and misunderstood me. In fact, I said that as far as SOHR Facebook as a source for territorial changes me and others look to replace those as soon as possible with non-Facebook sources, the main reason being your own, that we (including me) are of the opinion that Facebook shouldn't be used as a source, unless its about death tolls. As for telling me that I am the same as that guy, no I am not. That guy is for one side in the conflict and has tried to introduce his own sides claims as references while removing others. While me, I am of the opinion that both government AND opposition sources should be removed unless directly quoted by reliable sources for the sake of neutrality and article balance as Wikipedia policy dictates. And due to my position of neutrality (not supporting ether side) I have been criticized by both pro-opposition and pro-government editors, being called a regime-lover and a rebel rat. EkoGraf (talk) 16:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S. As for the opinion of that anonymous user about me, I wouldn't care less what he thinks of me, as long as I enforce Wikipedia's policy of neutrality and balance. And that is not allowing unverified claims made by both government and rebel sources being presented as fact. If it is stated in a BBC, AFP, Reuters or some such report, than by all means use it as a source. Otherwise.... The policy of Wikipedia is that we do not edit based on our own personal POVs (points of view) but from a neutral standpoint. And I think we both agree on this? EkoGraf (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

You too! :) EkoGraf (talk) 09:26, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hello John. Just thought I'd check in to see how you're getting on. Glad to see you're still here (as am I) and I hope your ride hasn't been too bumpy! Best regards. -- Jodon | Talk 14:26, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! KahnJohn27 (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Persondata

see Wikipedia:Persondata -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

You appear to be in an edit war regarding the The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey article. I strongly suggest you stop now and instead comment on the ongoing RfC. I also strongly suggest you read WP:3RR: you are about to breach the reverting limit and could be blocked from editing if you do so. - SchroCat (talk) 23:09, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but I haven't reverted the same edit more than 3 times in 24 hours. So therefore I am not edit warring. Your statement is incorrect. Besides Betty Logan has also reverted 2 times and also she has reverted the same edit of other users before. I think you should warn her too. KahnJohn27 (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring is not confined to reverting more than three times, and there are occasions when one reversion is warring: you are (or at least were) edit warring on that point, despite an RfC being opened. Please see WP:BRD for how to conduct yourself when your edits are changed. In future try not to revert more than once, and use the talk page to gain a consensus on matters. - SchroCat (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Probably but I and Betty Logan haven't reverted so much that it might be called an edit warring. Besides it was Betty Logan who actually reverted when the RfC started. You can see the history of the article and determine that easily. So I think if I have to be warned then it is first and foremost Betty Logan who should be warned. KahnJohn27 (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

The article was, quite rightly, returned to the status quo of how it stood before the edit warring. That is the correct step to take. You edit warred after that alteration took place, and it was your third amendment to the same piece of information. You were two reverts too far before you bothered to make any comments on the talk page in the RfC that BettyLogan started. Why should she be warned for correctly starting an RfC after reverting you only once? Rather than try and wheedle out of any blame, or trying to put the blame on others, perhaps your time would be better spent considering to yourself why you didn't take the step of going to the talk page after you were reverted the first time, rather than the third time? - SchroCat (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Why didn't Betty Logan go the first time or the second time at the talk page? She too must provide explanation. I just want to say one thing over here. According to WP:EW you are edit warring even if you are correct. Even if Betty Logan was doing the right thing she was still edit warring. KahnJohn27 (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

This just isn't getting through to you, is it? Your approach to this matter is deeply flawed, and you are going to have to man up, admit that you erred, move on and try and learn from it: if you don't then you're going to have a rough editing experience every time you try and force your preferred version onto an article while ignoring the talk page. WP:BRD is an excellent way of avoiding grief, annoyance and drama and I suggest you read it thoroughly and try to live up your Wiki life by it - it's a great way to avoid being dragged through the WP:3RR process needlessly. - SchroCat (talk) 23:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I think you are referring to the wrong editor about imposing their preffered version. It is actually Betty Logan who had tried enforcing her preffered version. I had already read the WP:BRD before I even joined. What I mean to say here is that I perfectly understand how to behave when my edit is reverted and I understand cooperation is the most essential thing. Also please note that many editors have accussed Betty Logan of being uncooperative. KahnJohn27 (talk) 00:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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Ariel Castro kidnappings

This is the only warning I am giving you. Your behaviour on this article is unacceptable. Naming of the daughter (a victim of crime who is a minor), is a violation of WP:BLP when the family has requested privacy. Edit warring against previous consensus to keep the name out. Edit warring less than two days after previously been warned about it at another article. Edit warring to keep BLP issues in. Personal attacks in edit summaries. [1] Missleading edit summaries claiming permission to include the name when privacy has been requested. I seriously suggest you do not re-add the name.Martin451 20:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)