Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/log/February 2010

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List of state highways in Marquette County, Michigan

I am nominating this for featured list removal because project consensus says to merge this style of list into the county article, even though the previous FLRC sustained the existence of this list. Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delist and merge to main county article. ---Dough4872 12:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Comment — the core information (table and other key prose) has been merged to Marquette County, Michigan already, and it has also been nominated at AfD now that the merger has been completed. Imzadi1979 (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

*Provisional delete, pending the success of this AfD. WFCforLife (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Keep. I stated that my opinion was bound to the AfD. I'm very suprised that the AfD turned out that way. But if the community has decided that it is unbalancing to merge this with the county article, then it cannot be considered to fail 3b. In other respects, it is FL quality. I also want to commend Imzadi for the steps taken here. It took guts, and while the situation is still messy, it will eventually provide a lot of clarity. Nice work! WFCforLife (talk) 23:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• Note: we're just here to delist, not to advocate the deletion of any particular list or the merging of one article with another. Obviously if a list is actually deleted (or turned into a redirect), it'll be demoted.... This applies to all of these highways FLRCs... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

• OK, so the AfD was closed as a keep. What's next? Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • As TRM said, this FLRC determines only one thing: whether or not the list meets the FL criteria. Whatever happens after that is independent of this FLRC. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
• As a list, this is well-written, but in reality, the list should not exist. I would suggest this FL gets delisted and merged into the Marquette County, Michigan article. ---Dough4872 20:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Please see the first FLRC on this article, where it was determined not to do that very thing. The AfD has reached the consensus that allows it to continue to exist, without any consensus on merging or redirecting it. Imzadi1979 (talk) 21:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Please see the criteria and explain why this list may fail one or more of them. AFDs, merge discussions etc are irrelevant to FLRC. If it meets the criteria, it remains featured. If it doesn't, and nothing is done to improve it, it gets demoted. Simples. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
      • It fails criteria 3b, as it is a content fork from the Marquette County, Michigan article. ---Dough4872 21:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
        • Content forks are absolutely fine. If it fails 3b because merging it back into the main article is a problem, then that's a different issue. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
          • Per consensus at USRD, lists of state highways for each county are not to exist as the information can be presented in the county article. That is the case here. From this viewpoint, the list is considered a content fork, and the criteria says that a FL "is not a content fork, does not largely recreate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article." This list is a content fork and the information can resonably be included in the Marquette County, Michigan article. ---Dough4872 21:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:USRD can say all it wants, but it can't force its opinion on that of another project, or substitute it for the larger community's opinion. The consensus from the previous FLRC that ended in June is that this article did not fail criterion 3b. The criteria have not changed in the interim, so delisting this article is not appropriate on that basis.

The previous FLRC also featured the issue of how complete the list is, but with the potential for over 1,000 county-maintained roads, it was felt that this list met the criteria for status as an FL without including them. Once again, nothing has changed in the interim, so

As a side note, I opened this discussion and the AfD as a result of one project's attempt to forge a consensus on an issue that effected more than just that project. The AfD discussion resulted in a consensus to keep. It did not result in a consensus to merge or not merge content. During the course of the AfD, I merged in content from the list, but content was discarded in the merger. To merge all of the content of this list into the parent article would unbalance it, so a merger is not an acceptable compromise. Imzadi1979 (talk) 22:43, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• Just so everyone is on the same page, this was the closing admin's rationale (italics mine for emphasis): "The result was keep. There is clearly no consensus for outright deletion. Redirecting or merging is a definite possibility, but that should be worked out on the talk page." Dabomb87 (talk) 02:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Check the toolbox; there is a dead link. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Fixed. Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Keep per Imzadi1979, I think this meets all the criteria. I don't think this fails 3b as I think to merge this into the county article would disbalance that article - rst20xx (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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List of highways in Warren County, New York

I am nominating this for featured list removal because along with the other two lists of its kind are going to be axed after project consensus. I am asking for speedy removal of its featured status. Mitch32^{(Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!)} 04:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Could you provide a link to the project consensus? WFCforLife (talk) 04:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Here it is.Mitch32^{(Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!)} 04:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

My suggestion would be that one of the FL merges is completed, and that we get confirmation that everyone is happy. My concern is the potential for conflict at the county articles, a resultant change of heart at the road wikiproject, and a flurry of renominated FLCs. If you can assure me that this will not happen, I will support removal. WFCforLife (talk) 05:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delist and merge to main county article, except the county routes, which should be kept in a separate list. ---Dough4872 12:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

*Provisional remove, pending the success of this AfD. WFCforLife (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep per the success of that AfD and my comments here. WFCforLife (talk) 23:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

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List of highways in Essex County, New York

I am nominating this for featured list removal because along with the other two lists of its kind are going to be axed after project consensus. I am asking for speedy removal of its featured status. Mitch32^{(Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!)} 04:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delist and merge to main county article, except the county routes, which should be kept in a separate list. ---Dough4872 12:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Provisional remove, pending the success of this AfD. WFCforLife (talk) 16:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep per the success of that AfD and my comments here. WFCforLife (talk) 23:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - this list is 47k! To merge it into the county article would significantly unbalance that article. Hence I do not think there is a 3b fail, I think this list should continue to stand alone - rst20xx (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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List of highways in Hamilton County, New York

I am nominating this for featured list removal because along with the other two lists of its kind are going to be axed after project consensus. I am asking for speedy removal of its featured status. Mitch32^{(Live from the Bob Barker Studio at CBS in Hollywood. Its Mitch!)} 04:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• Delist and merge to main county article, except the county routes, which should be kept in a separate list. ---Dough4872 12:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

*Provisional remove, pending the success of this AfD. WFCforLife (talk) 16:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Keep per the success of that AfD and my comments here. WFCforLife (talk) 23:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

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List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2004 (U.S.)

Notified: WP:RECORD CHARTS and User:Efe

I am nominating this for featured list removal because just like recently demoted List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2005 (U.S.), this one isn't verifiable. Please check the external links with the tool on the right side of this text. This page does not meet basic Wikipedia guideline, let alone a featured list criteria. I realize that all dead links come from the Billboard website and can be fixed easily, but as evidenced by the 2005 list nomination, there's little motivation to improve these lists. Unreferenced lists should not be among Wikipedia's best. Cheetah (talk) 22:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed, alt text too, consistent date formats used, incorrectly used "fair use" image removed. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2003 (U.S.)

Notified: WP:RECORD CHARTS and User:Efe

I am nominating this for featured list removal because just like recently demoted List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2005 (U.S.), this one isn't verifiable. Please check the external links with the tool on the right side of this text. This page does not meet basic Wikipedia guideline, let alone a featured list criteria. I realize that all dead links come from the Billboard website and can be fixed easily, but as evidenced by the 2005 list nomination, there's little motivation to improve these lists. Unreferenced lists should not be among Wikipedia's best. Cheetah (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed. Alt text too. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2002 (U.S.)

Notified: WP:RECORD CHARTS and User:Efe

I am nominating this for featured list removal because just like recently demoted List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2005 (U.S.), this one isn't verifiable. Please check the external links with the tool on the right side of this text. This page does not meet basic Wikipedia guideline, let alone a featured list criteria. I realize that all dead links come from the Billboard website and can be fixed easily, but as evidenced by the 2005 list nomination, there's little motivation to improve these lists. Unreferenced lists should not be among Wikipedia's best. Cheetah (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• Ahem. Refs done, took about a minute, now I'm getting used to it. I'm guessing Alt text is next, but that's a pretty minor issue. Once I've done the other refs on the other FLRCs of this nature, I'll come back to the alt text. All in a day's work. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
• I added the alternate text for this. It passes now. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
• It's unfortunate that we've already had the 2005 list demoted; this was such an easy issue to fix, given a little time. Anyway, I'll leave this open until tomorrow, and if by that time nobody brings up other issues that need fixing, I will close it. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2006 (U.S.)

Notified: WP:RECORD CHARTS and User:Efe

I am nominating this for featured list removal because just like recently demoted List of Hot 100 number-one singles of 2005 (U.S.), this one isn't verifiable. Please check the external links with the tool on the right side of this text. This page does not meet basic Wikipedia guideline, let alone a featured list criteria. I realize that all dead links come from the Billboard website and can be fixed easily, but as evidenced by the 2005 list nomination, there's little motivation to improve these lists. Unreferenced lists should not be among Wikipedia's best. Cheetah (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• What a shame. I just did a quick check on Billboard, the URL mapping (from old to new) is simple and shouldn't take a script more than a few seconds to fix, perhaps a human two minutes? Ref 55 currently has http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003315460 and the current link is simply http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/1003315460.story.... When I get two minutes I may fiddle with a "search-and-replace" - we really don't need to demote these lists for a couple of minutes of research and a couple of minutes of work... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
• Right, in between cooking chicken, roast potatoes etc etc and keeping the fire burning, I've fixed all but one of the refs per the glorious "search-and-replace" described above. If I can't fix the last ref then we'll just need to delete the single sentence from the lead which would remain unreferenced. Any other concerns? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
• All done. I think, overall, it took 10 minutes. I'll do the others in due course unless someone is prepared to spend a few minutes fixing the problem. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:48, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
• Alt text also done. Anything else? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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