Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Estonia

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Estonia

Code page 770

Code page 770 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. The creator of the article added one source that provides a trivial mention of the subject, then dePRODed the article. Without sufficient sourcing improvements, this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Computing, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Seems like a good idea to dump this. Possibly the article listing code page numbers could add a word saying what language the page is designed for.

  Please also try to get rid of the cruft added to actual influential code pages, such as code page 850 which have been padded with a number of obscure code pages that are "similar". Spitzak (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have done some of this.Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• I recommend to merge the deletion discussions and transwiki all, but keep redirect to the DOS code pages article the more well-known code pages (775, 852, 855, 857, and 860) especially only if sources are found. and link to the tables for now (but at some point start a discussion on which tables can be added in the DOS code pages article). I want to keep 851 as well, but sourcing may be inadequate. Others facing deletion are: Code page 708, Code page 720, Code page 773, Code page 775, Code page 776, Code page 777, Code page 778, Code page 851, Code page 852, Code page 853, Code page 855, Code page 856, Code page 857, Code page 3846, Code page 859, Code page 860, Code page 1169. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:NOTMANUAL, is there any reason to keep any of these CP articles as free-standing articles (rather than merely sections of a broad concept article, code page)? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Moving this material to another wiki is functionally the same as a delete vote to me, because it indicates that the material does not belong on Wikipedia. I don't care what you do with any of this material after it's deleted as long as it's off Wikipedia. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Having them in a central article about code pages is my preferred solution. DRMcCreedy (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see how one article with many tables is any better than many articles with one table... HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Having them default to collapsed would be at least a start. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think only the more well-known code pages should be listed in the article. The rest can transwiki. Of these, only code page 852 has more than 4 articles in other languages. What makes it unique? Alexlatham96 (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm primarily concerned with whether this content is appropriate to host on Wikipedia in the first place. At the end of the day, these pages just contain a massive amount of documentation, and we are not a website for hosting documentation. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I see one article with many tables as better because a table is not a separate entity that is tracked, discussed, considered for deletion, etc. We're seeing a case of it right here. There are 20 AfD discussions going on because these are separate articles. One article could be dealt with much more efficiently in all ways. Many people might perceive the separate articles with a sense of cruft. Davemc0 (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  These were nominated as separate articles because I have never done a bulk nomination. If I could go back in time and bulk nominate them, I would. There are some other code page articles that I have yet to nominate. Those will likely be done in bulk, because I do find managing this many nominations to be a bit of a mess. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  Also, we do not keep articles because we hope that there are good sources out there or because you claim they are "well-known". Hope does not establish notability: tangible, high-quality sources do. If a subject is as well known as you claim, you should have no issue finding such sources. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  • I found a source for Code page 852 here and a source here for DOS code pages, but I don't know if they pass guidelines. Maybe it is best to transwiki all of them, or at least the ones with no sources.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

    Neither passes the guidelines -- we generally don't consider blogs to be authoritative sources, and the other page looks like a bunch of documentation that defines the contents of code pages but provides little information beyond that. I don't know how much time you spend in AfD, but the policy you're looking for is WP: SIGCOV. In the future, you should make sure that whatever sources you find meet all of the criteria there. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment This content fits very nicely with the wikibook. I have not looked into which code pages are notable, but it seems to me that those that are not should be transwikied there. I'm more concerned that they are on some wiki rather than which wiki. I also think that these are all plausible search terms, and they should ideally redirect to something more specific than the lede of Code page. McYeee (talk) 05:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment This seems like a nice solution to me. Davemc0 (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Should be merged with other articles. Not deleted outright. GalaxyDoge72 (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above.Davemc0 (talk) 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 773

Code page 773 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Computing, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Transwiki Alexlatham96 (talk) 04:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above. Davemc0 (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 775

Code page 775 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. Most of the sources describe what the code page layout is but don't provide any information beyond that. The remaining source(s) don't look reliable or don't give us significant information about the code page with which we could use to build an article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Computing, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Transwiki or Merge, because this is a search term, but does not appear to be notable enough to have its own article. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge or Transwiki per my rationale for Code page 3846 above. Davemc0 (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:31, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

See also

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Estonia/Article alerts, a bot-maintained listing of a variety of changes affecting Estonia related pages including deletion discussions