Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 November 14
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 November 22. ✗plicit 14:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Pakistan Super League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Indian Premier League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Cricket (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League with Template:WikiProject Cricket.
These 4 projects were redirected into the newly created Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Asia cricket task force. They should now use the project banner with a new asia parameter like {{WikiProject Cricket|asia=yes}}
. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose merge, these templates could instead be converted into wrapper templates for {{WikiProject Cricket}} by using the following code,
{{WikiProject Cricket{{{{{|safesubst:}}}ifnotempty|{{{class|}}}|{{{{{|safesubst:}}}!}}class{{{{{|safesubst:}}}=}}{{{class|}}}}}|Asia=yes}}
@Gonnym: It could be done once the draft banner in Template:WikiProject Cricket/sandbox is moved to the main one. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Convert into wrapper template as per Vestrian24Bio. This is the normal for task forces in other sports areas. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Vestrian24Bio please explain how exactly that wrapper with the parameter
|Asia=yes
works with your oppose. Gonnym (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- @Gonnym: If a wrapper template like below for example has been added to a page, it will be substituted as the following one,
{{WikiProject Example|class=C}}
will substitute as{{WikiProject Cricket|class=C|Asia=yes}}
{{WikiProject Example}}
will substitute as{{WikiProject Cricket|Asia=yes}}
- Tools like WP:RATER has native support for wrapper templates and will substitute them directly. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- See Category:WikiProject Africa banner wrapper templates for some examples... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you'd take a look at those pages you'd see that I've edited a lof of them. My point was that you can't use
|Asia=yes
as it doesn't exist. Why doesn't it exist? Because you just opposed it's addition. Gonnym (talk) 06:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)- Also, in this situation a wrapper is incorrect. The wrapper does not set
|Pakistan Super League=yes
,|Indian Premier League=yes
so a user using these would end up with an unexpected result, unlike Template:WikiProject Angola which does set|Angola=yes
. Gonnym (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC) - I didn't oppose the addition of
|Asia=
, I opposed the template merger which would result in the previous templates being left as redirects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)- @Gonnym: Let's keep the discussion here only then.
- Now, what would exactly be done if the TfD is made consensus to merge... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: The edit request I placed on the talk page involved the implementations of,
- FormerFA, FormerFL, FormerGA, Current event and Cricket Collaboration
- Re-worded text for
|MAIN_TEXT=
- New image for
|IMAGE_LEFT=
- Taskforces for ICC, Women's cricket, Africa, Americas, Europe and EAP
- How any of these are related to this discussion??? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have no issues with the first 3 bulleted points, I oppose the task force one as I've explained being a separate discussion from the merge as the merge was the exact point of it and we would end up here anyways, which is a WP:DISCUSSFORK. Gonnym (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the task force, I've explained above, that adding
|Asia=yes
to the template will allow for the merger of these 4 templates, which you've opposed. Additionally, you've proposed making them wrappers, but that adds more confusion as they don't produce the result a user would expect to get from them, as they aren't a 1:1 wrapper, but a wrapper of a redirected name. That's isn't really helpful. Gonnym (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)- @Gonnym: But, what about the other 6 task forces; they are freshly new ones-no mergers - we can add them to the banner now as they are unrelated to the TfD. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I notice that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this project the question was regarding a merge of four Asian projects, but at the end of the discussion you proposed creating additional task forces. Are you sure that is the actual consensus there? See KjjjKjjj's comment
My only main concern is that some of the task forces might be inactive most of the time due to little coverage
. Creating task forces pre-emptively where no one actually said they'll be a part of and which would stay inactive isn't helpful. I'd say close the ones you created (other than Asia) and wait until a group of editors actually want to work in that area. Note that there is a lot of maintenance required for task forces, even inactive ones (categories, templates, gnoming, etc.). Gonnym (talk) 14:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)- There was a clear consensus for Asia task force (see the comments of that discussion, task force was endorced by me too, despite initially proposing a merge). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- I notice that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this project the question was regarding a merge of four Asian projects, but at the end of the discussion you proposed creating additional task forces. Are you sure that is the actual consensus there? See KjjjKjjj's comment
- @Gonnym: But, what about the other 6 task forces; they are freshly new ones-no mergers - we can add them to the banner now as they are unrelated to the TfD. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the task force, I've explained above, that adding
- I have no issues with the first 3 bulleted points, I oppose the task force one as I've explained being a separate discussion from the merge as the merge was the exact point of it and we would end up here anyways, which is a WP:DISCUSSFORK. Gonnym (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: The edit request I placed on the talk page involved the implementations of,
- Also, in this situation a wrapper is incorrect. The wrapper does not set
- If you'd take a look at those pages you'd see that I've edited a lof of them. My point was that you can't use
- See Category:WikiProject Africa banner wrapper templates for some examples... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: If a wrapper template like below for example has been added to a page, it will be substituted as the following one,
- Merge to regional taskforce via
{{WikiProject Cricket|asia=yes}}
per nom & Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this project. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- merge by adding
{{WikiProject Cricket|asia=yes}}
and replacing per above. Frietjes (talk) 14:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:WikiProject Musicians (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force with Template:WikiProject Musicians.
At the TfD 1 year ago, it was suggested to merge Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force with Template:WikiProject Musicians. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
@Gonnym, Cyfal, and WikiCleanerMan: pinging all participants of the previous TfD. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I'll be a little rude and just say completely delete. There were many WikiProjects created for single artists and bands which unsurprisingly are inactive or just flat out dead. The last non-bot related post on that project page was 15 years ago. Just delete and get rid of stale projects. We should stop supporting indefinitely stuff like this. And this goes for most music artist projects. Gonnym (talk) 17:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- While the task force exists as a child of a specific WikiProject, the only reasonable target for changing the template's target is that one's parent. Any other concerns should be redirected elsewhere, such as WT:COUNCIL or WP:MFD. "Merge"/"delete" in favor of yesteryear's suggested target. Come back to TFD if and only if an MFD resolves that WikiProject Guitarists probably shouldn't exist, at which point I anticipate the final target will be WP:Musicians. Izno (talk) 02:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- nominate project at mfd if you want to entirely delete it, otherwise the only reasonable merge target is the parent project, {{WikiProject Guitarists}} which should probably be merged with {{WikiProject Musicians}} as well. Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused font script that is very unhelpful. Hebrew and Arabic are two different languages. If a script template is needed, then Template:Script/Arabic and Template:Script/Hebrew (which are used), should be used instead. Gonnym (talk) 12:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused political party shading template. If used during the TfD, let me know and I'll withdraw. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused political party shading template. If used during the TfD, let me know and I'll withdraw. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Party shading/New Democratic Front (2024) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused political party shading template. If used during the TfD, let me know and I'll withdraw. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Party shading/National Party (South Africa) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused political party shading template. If used during the TfD, let me know and I'll withdraw. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused political party shading template. If used during the TfD, let me know and I'll withdraw. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Party shading/Democratic Alliance (South Africa) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused political party shading template. If used during the TfD, let me know and I'll withdraw. Gonnym (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Template:OldStyleDate/temp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Module:DatesWD/temp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused and by the title, was a temporary code test. If Carn still needs it better move to user space. Gonnym (talk) 12:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused and doesn't seem to be used anymore after this edit. Module:Documentation now handles the categorization. Gonnym (talk) 12:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Navbox with only one valid link. Doesn't help with navigation. Gonnym (talk) 12:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support deletion: Navigation boxes should be for navigation, not for other purposes such as publicity or nationalism. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Navbox with only one valid link. Doesn't help with navigation. Gonnym (talk) 12:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Navbox with only one valid link. Doesn't help with navigation. Gonnym (talk) 12:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused map template. Gonnym (talk) 12:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Agree I initially created this template for an archaeological site in the district but realized it was only usable on a single page, which is not ideal for a template. So I converted it into map data (c:Data:Archeological sites of Mayurbhanj.map). Although the map legend isn’t displaying correctly in the article as intended either. Thanks ~ MaxA-Matrix 🗨 01:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 00:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Unused and seems to duplicate Template:Football kit/No check, which is used. Gonnym (talk) 11:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like the used template may be a WP:COPYPASTE version of the unused one based on the dates, but as the creator I have no issues with deletion.
- --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)- I'm sure an admin can help with history merge if that is needed here. Gonnym (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your dates are off. /No check has been live since January 2023, yours was copied this year. Izno (talk) 23:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Completely unreliable and misleading The Banner talk 02:49, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- @The Banner In what way is it unreliable and misleading? I don't see any discussion on the template's talk page. Would fixing it be preferable to deletion? --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)- I checked most of the places mentioned. Not one was stating the same numbers as the template or came even close to it. The source (where I could not find the info) is outdated as from 2011. The Banner talk 15:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Only used one time, by a place not mentioned in the template. The Banner talk 15:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Tone row/Intervals and other subpages
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Tone row/Intervals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tone row/P flat (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tone row/P sharp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tone row/R flat (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Tone row/R sharp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Subpages with no transclusions. Created in 2013 and 2017. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: They are used in Template:Tone row, but if after all these years they still aren't used, then maybe they really aren't needed. Gonnym (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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