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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page

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What not to propose for discussion here

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The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.
Moving and renaming
Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

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  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

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To list a template for deletion or merging, adhere to the following three-step process. Utilizing Twinkle is strongly recommended as it automates and simplifies these steps. To use Twinkle, click TW in the toolbar (top right of the page), then select XFD. Do not include the "Template:" prefix in any of the steps, unless specifically instructed otherwise.

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators or Template editors.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_December_8#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the |text= before the why (or alternatively, after the }} of the Tfd2/Catfd2).

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts. Deletion sorting lists are a possible way of doing that.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

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While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

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WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

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While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the Holding Cell until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

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Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. To use Twinkle, click its dropdown menu in the toolbar in the top right of the page: TW , and then click 'XFD'.

Note that Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

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Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

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Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

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December 8

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December 7

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Figure skating Challenger Series templates

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From this discussion: The number of competition templates at the bottom of many of our articles has become ridiculously crowded. I believe the competition boxes should be limited to: Olympics, international championship events, Grand Prix events, and national championships... In particular, I believe the Challenger Series event boxes should be eliminated, as not all Challenger Series events are represented, and to be blunt, they are not as prestigious as the other events listed. As an example: Meryl Davis and Charlie White. Ten championship event templates at the bottom: Olympics, Worlds, Grand Prix Finals, U.S. Nationals... and the Nebelhorn Trophy. That last one does not enhance the navigability of this article in any way. We really need to be more judicious in terms of which templates are truly the most beneficial. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Trump Economic Miracle

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If there are only two pages this template would need to be included on, then why would one need a template if the information could just be included directly at those two pages? This template (previously transcluded at Arthur Laffer at Stephen Moore (writer)) has been replaced with a substituted version at both articles. GTrang (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BS templates navigation

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Navbox with no links in the body. All of these BS* templates have been deleted as part of an upgrade of rail line articles to Module:Adjacent stations. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: long overdue. Useddenim (talk) 13:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 6

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Template:SEPTA services

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No longer used on any pages WMSR (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:STN

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Propose merging Template:STN with Template:Station.
Not a huge fan of having two templates that do basically the same thing, but with wildly different names (especially with names that are non-obvious). These days I suspect that most stations have a redirect from the alternate capitalisations regardless. Primefac (talk) 16:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support making {{stn}} a redirect to {{station}}. The merged template should detect lowercase "station" first, before falling back to initial-capitalised "Station". --Minoa (talk) 17:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jeez, didn't even think about that. Will do so regardless of the outcome of the TFD for {{station}}. Primefac (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be concerned about the number of expensive parser functions that would require. Some pages have well over 100 uses of these templates, so they could easily hit the expensive calls limit depending on what else is on the page unless you use something like {{PROTECTIONEXPIRY}} to do the detection. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair. Primefac (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac Any objection to putting the merge notice inside <noinclude>...</noinclude>? It breaks the Tokyo Station and Shinjuku Station articles. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose not. I'll just wait for the slew of people bitching about not being notified because of all the people bitching about being notified. Primefac (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I would also support making {{STN}} a redirect to {{station}} per Minoa above. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 00:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I don't see much benefit (if any) of getting rid of STN. I get that consolodation reduces the maintenance burden but STN hasn't been edited since 2017 because of how simple it is. BLAIXX 03:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: with wildly different names: {{STN}} follows logically from the {{stn}} alias. Useddenim (talk) 15:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. (Also, I don't think these are "wildly" different; {{station}}'s alias {{stn}} and {{STN}} use the same exact letters, just different capitalization.) – Epicgenius (talk) 01:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Having two templates with the same exact letters, just with a different capitalization is a horrible system. Most systems can also be switched from "STN" to their Adjacent Stations module and use the relevant templates. Gonnym (talk) 09:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cricket Result

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Propose merging Template:Cricket Result with Template:Cricket result.
Duplicate; convert uses of the less common {{Cricket Result}} to use {{Cricket result}}. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replace and delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 12:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Federal Bureau of Investigation

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Infobox template which takes a single parameter – |subname= – which affects a single display field in the infobox. It is only used once in mainspace page (National Incident-Based Reporting System), and I highly doubt there are additional articles which would benefit from an all but identical infobox. Indeed, I am struggling to think of a time where an infobox (not a sidebar) can be almost entirely duplicated but not constitute a WP:REDUNDANTFORK.

I think it is more sustainable to avoid hiding the wikitext, in the spirit of WP:TMP: Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. Therefore, subst and delete the template. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete without subst. The infobox should only appear on Federal Bureau of Investigation and not on other pages. Gonnym (talk) 15:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also alright with that :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NHS

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Only two uses after nearly 20 years, probably just easier to directly use an elink. Primefac (talk) 15:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to insufficient use: the remaining two uses can be accomplished with a regular external link. --Minoa (talk) 18:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:KWh

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Not heavily used, and while I understand the convenience element I feel like using {{val}} works just as well (plus it has more options). Primefac (talk) 15:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:USAF DOR O-6

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No transclusions or incoming links to explain why it was created. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Major Clubs T20 Tournament

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No transclusions. All articles linked from this navbox were were deleted at AFD. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EIN

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This template does not seem to give any useful information; the /doc itself says that the search only works in certain circumstances, and I checked about half o the extant uses and none of them give a result. Unless it can be fixed I figure this template should probably be deleted. Primefac (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 Pakistan Super League Points table

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Unused as 2025 Pakistan Super League#Points table uses a different table. Gonnym (talk) 13:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:World premiere

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Unused and recently created but fails MOS:ICON. This glob of the world is meaningless. Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikt-lang/language

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Unused as the module has been using the Lua for years. Gonnym (talk) 09:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Alki Oroklini squad

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Unused after the data was blanked. Gonnym (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 5

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Template:CPL original clubs

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WP:TCREEP - this template is not needed. Template:Canadian Premier League already links to every CPL club and there is nothing special about the "original" clubs. BLAIXX 23:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The make-up of leagues, especially in North America, has a tendency to change over time. This can be seen from the current clubs in Major League Soccer as opposed to its first season back in 1996. We have already seen changes in the Canadian Premier League as well since it started. Many other nations' leagues have similar templates, so why should Canada's not have one? Or is it simply "oh, it only started in 2019" that is the issue? Hammersfan (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is not that 2019 is too recent, it's that it's an arbitrary grouping. There are infinitely many ways to group articles but we want to stick to notable groupings. Yes, the membership of many sports leagues change every year but that doesn't explain why the inaugural season is so special that it needs an extra navbox? BLAIXX 22:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Forgive me, but how can the original members be an arbitrary grouping? Does that make templates that show the original members of other national leagues arbitrary groupings? Presumably that means the templates showing the original members of The Football League should also be deleted? Or the members of Serie A that took part in the first season? The first season is the historic one, that shows everyone the founding members, something that may well end up changing over time Hammersfan (talk) 15:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I agree, those other templates should be deleted too. This content is simply not suitable for a navbox. If you want a place that lists the teams from the first season of the Football League, the article 1888–89 Football League does just that. Putting a navbox on the article of each club that was part of the inaugural season just feels gratuitous. BLAIXX 15:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This template's content is made somewhat redundant by Template:2019 in Canadian soccer and Template:2019 Canadian Premier League season by team. I am wordsmyth (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the links in this template are included in the 2019 in Canadian soccer template Hammersfan (talk) 17:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Belarusian mobile phone companies

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Insufficient number of links for navigation. Izno (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Shirley Manson

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Seems unnecessary when each of the bands she was in has a dedicated navbox. --woodensuperman 13:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Butch Vig

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All albums are by Garbage and included at {{Garbage (band)}} so Vig does not need a navbox to himself. --woodensuperman 13:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:B5 (band)

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Just two notable albums. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 13:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Medicine/proposed doc

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Any changes made to the doc have been made 10+ years ago. Gonnym (talk) 10:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Biota infobox/Wikidata

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Unused infobox other than in one old discussion. Gonnym (talk) 10:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose This template is useful for comparing the output of the taxobox using the automated taxonomy system with what would produced if using Wikidata. Why we don't use wikidata is a topic that is often raised and the examples in the template documentation and testcases provide a quick reference for illustration of the problems with the current wikidata taxonomy model. This might change so it's useful to make the comparison on occasion.  —  Jts1882 | talk  10:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox journal/wikidata

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Unused infobox template other than in one old discussion. Gonnym (talk) 10:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 4

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Template:PIM

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This template was a single-use external link template, but I had to replace that usage because the link went to the the website's main page (rather than directly to the Arsenic page). Now orphaned and any future uses would be worse than a simple direct link, so we should delete the template. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:58, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CAPTCHAs

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Only 1 article, WP:NENAN. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SES

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The only use of this template is incorrect, as the homepage of the SES does not mention it at all. I feel like if there is source attribution to be given, then templates such as {{Source-attribution}} should be used. Primefac (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sm.

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Unused (though I did remove the single use) and unexplained template that just adds a piped link to a botanist. Clearly not needed any more. Primefac (talk) 16:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's meant to be subst-only? jlwoodwa (talk) 17:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This links is very much MOS:EGG. I don't see how "Sm" can mean "James Edward Smith". Gonnym (talk) 00:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: It's a taxon authority abbreviation. In botany, these abbreviations are standardized (see List of botanists by author abbreviation (S)). If you see "Sm." after the binomial name of a plant, it will always mean James Edward Smith (botanist). This is also why Sm. redirects to him. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying that (not sarcastic, as I truly didn't know). That however is MOS:JARGON which should be avoided. Gonnym (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rename per nom

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While this does have a shortcut {{RPN}} it's a simple enough comment to make that I genuinely don't know if anyone uses this, or if anyone wants to use it. Primefac (talk) 16:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Invisible (band)

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Two albums. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 16:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rlw

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Template designed to give a {{No redirect}}-style link to a redirect along with either a Special:WhatLinksHere or edit link. While I can kind of see its use, they have only been used in one set of database reports since their creation (of which they are also historic and no longer updated). Primefac (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sure would be nicer if the database reports got fixed instead, but I'm doubtful that's gonna happen, ah well. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Plural form

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Propose merging Template:Plural form with Template:Plural abbr.
Templates both do the same thing and achieve the exact same output text. waddie96 ★ (talk) 13:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC) Edited at 15:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Did you mean to link the same template twice? It looks like you intended to propose merging it with Template:Plural abbr. Gary600 (talk) 15:09, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes, sorry I mean merging with Template:Plural abbr. I corrected it Gary600. waddie96 ★ (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think template:plural form is clearer and would prefer merging the other way (depending on usage). Caleb Stanford (talk) 18:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please can someone revert this it's ruining the appearance of intro sentences across articles. Atrapalhado (talk) 22:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Atrapalhado: I've added <noinclude> tags to stop it from being substituted. waddie96 ★ (talk) 22:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Brad Pitt

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Only three articles. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 13:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Welcomeg/default

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by HouseBlaster (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like Welcomeg/new, is also unused and not linked from anywhere, but received some updates a 5 years ago. Like the /new template, we don't need to keep out-of-sync forks like this. Gonnym (talk) 10:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Welcomeg/new

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by HouseBlaster (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 01:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While this is probably a subst template so being unused doesn't mean a lot, it's also not linked from anywhere, and while titled "new", was created in 2011 and is completely outdated and out-of-sync with Template:Welcomeg. We don't need forks of the main template. Gonnym (talk) 10:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Heavy Moss

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Only one album and two notable singles to their name. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose still serves as a hub for all links for the band. Scuba 14:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article Heavy Moss does that job quite well already! And the articles are well linked, you can link to the band, the album and each of the singles from each and every article. This simply isn't needed. --woodensuperman 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Welcome-to-Wikipedia/doc/ip-option

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Unused and unlinked sub-page. Can't find usages with an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 10:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ValidateUP/sandbox/doc

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Doc page created 14 years ago with no edits since. Seems this has either been completed or abandoned. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SGP Table/present

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Unused sports table. Gonnym (talk) 09:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SPI case status/sandbox/core/doc

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Doc page created almost 3 years ago with no edits since. Seems this has either been completed or abandoned. Gonnym (talk) 09:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rapid transit OSM map/Sandbox/doc

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tests created in the wrong place. Moved tests to /testcases. Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Interlanguage link/doc/sandbox2

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Moved without redirect to User:Mathglot/sandbox/Templates/Interlanguage link/doc/sandbox2 with comment "Save in user space subpage." by Mathglot (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 11:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doc page created 2.5 years ago with no edits since. Seems this has either been completed or abandoned. Gonnym (talk) 09:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Daylight saving active/doc/extended

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Now unused after I've copied the data to Template:Daylight saving active/doc. Gonnym (talk) 09:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Coord/sandbox2

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Previously deleted in 2020, still unused and unlinked from anywhere. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It belongs with Module:Coordinates/sandbox2 and is intended to demo sandbox vs sandbox2. Template:Coord gets a bit complex and there has been a long time effort to add additional features to it. I don't think it needs to be deleted, but as was proven the last time it was needed again, it can of course very easily be recreated. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite arXiv/doc/new

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This "new" documentation (created in 2017) isn't linked from anywhere. If this is needed, it should replace the current /doc page. Gonnym (talk) 09:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite JTWC/testcases/doc

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Tests should be held at the /testcases page, not a /doc page (which isn't a doc page). I've made sure the test appear on the /testcases. Gonnym (talk) 09:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Anomie/deepToString

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox per Module:Sandbox to Module:Sandbox/Anomie/module name, else delete. Gonnym (talk) 09:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Why randomly change the conventions for naming user module sandboxes? And if there is an actual consensus for that somewhere, you should be proposing a rename rather than a deletion. Anomie⚔ 12:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not proposing a rename, I'm proposing deleting an unused module. If the user, in this case, you, still want this, then it should be moved to pseudo userspace in the Module namespace, which I've indicated above. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is in a pseudo-userspace in the Module namespace. Just not the particular pseudo-namespace you prefer. And this one isn't even a sandbox, it's a module intended for use in the Lua debug console. Anomie⚔ 13:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep No reason given to delete other than a personal preference for Module:Sandbox. However, Module:User is appropriate because the code is finished and not a sandbox. Johnuniq (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Anomie/Sandbox

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox per Module:Sandbox to Module:Sandbox/Anomie/module name, else delete. Gonnym (talk) 09:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Why randomly change the conventions for naming user module sandboxes? And if there is an actual consensus for that somewhere, you should be proposing a rename rather than a deletion. Anomie⚔ 12:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not proposing a rename, I'm proposing deleting an unused module. If the user, in this case, you, still want this, then it should be moved to pseudo userspace in the Module namespace, which I've indicated above. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is in a pseudo-userspace in the Module namespace. Just not the particular pseudo-namespace you prefer. Anomie⚔ 13:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep No reason given to delete other than a personal preference for Module:Sandbox. However, Module:User is appropriate because the code is finished and not a sandbox. Johnuniq (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/sandbox2

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox per Module:Sandbox to Module:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name, else delete. Gonnym (talk) 09:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Why randomly change the conventions for naming user module sandboxes? And if there is an actual consensus for that somewhere, you should be proposing a rename rather than a deletion. Anomie⚔ 12:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not randomly at all. This module is an unused module in the module space and is subject to all other guidelines and procedures, meaning it can be sent to TfD and deleted. Iff the user still wants the module (and so far, they have not stated that), the module should be moved to the pseudo userspace in the Module namespace, which I've indicated above. Gonnym (talk) 12:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You want guidelines and procedures? If Modules could be in the User namespace, this would be handled at WP:MFD which generally doesn't delete established users' subpages just because some busybody thinks they're "unused". But since modules need to be in the Module namespace, we need a convention for "userspace" for people to have their own modules, and pages in that pseudo-userspace should probably be judged under the same criteria as other userspace pages. I also note that the "Module:User:<name>" convention has existed for as long as the "Module:Sandbox/<name>" convention, and has the advantage of covering more than just sandboxes. Anomie⚔ 13:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 3

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Film writer templates

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This writer-specific navbox violates WP:FILMNAV, which says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This navbox is causing exactly the problem that WP:FILMNAV warns about. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 22:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose. I think that in the majority of these cases the writers concerned could be considered primary creators of the material in question. I don't think bundling these nominations together is helpful, as they should each be looked at on their own merit. I'd be more concerned with the producer navboxes, espectially these days when films seem to have about a dozen producers. I'm sure I've advocated for limiting this to director roles only in the dark and murky past, but I seem to recall that "primary creator" was the compromise. What is auteur theory anyway? ;) --woodensuperman 11:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I looked at all the examples, and there were none where they were always the primary creator. Are you suggesting limiting it to works where they are only the primary creator? I feel like if we don't pay attention, editors will mindlessly fill out (or restore) all credits, like the now-blocked MolAnneFinnBall567 did. It seems to be better to be all or nothing. It's not like there is zero access to writing credits; their names are always in the infobox and ideally the article body too. It's about whether or not we need yet another navbox at the very end of the article, and writers and producers are rarely the exclusive sole drivers of creativity across all their works. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think these have been concerns for nearly a decade! See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 11#RFC: Filmography navboxes. --woodensuperman 13:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ampers&One

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Only 3 distinct directly-related articles. Template offers no additional navigational benefit. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This dissertation citation template uses a URL that no longer works and is used five times. This should be deleted and replaced with Template:Cite thesis, as it allows for far more parameters. SWinxy (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PIE

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Replace usages with {{lang|ine-x-proto}} and delete.

Proto-Indo-European language has been supported for a while now by {{lang}}, which additionally provides various checks, validations and categories, that this template does not.

The main difference between the two templates is that PIE does not italic the text or adds an asterisk (*), while Lang does. That means that when replacing, if a PIE usage

  • has an asterisk, it should be removed
  • wraps the template in italics, they should be removed

See this edit as an example.

Also somewhat related, "pie" is incorrect to use here as that is the language code for the Piro Pueblo language. Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Support nomination, per nom. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Testcase

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Propose merging Template:Testcase with Template:Test case.
{{Testcase}} is referred to as the legacy version of the spaced {{Test case}}. They should be merged. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I do think that the amount of coding that would be required to create a wrapper for the old template so that all the params can translate into the new one would be overly burdensome, and I don't think that the time spent reprogramming old test cases to follow the format of the new template would be worth it. As such, I don't think that template merging here would improve the encyclopedia on a net basis, so I think they should be kept. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replace all usages (122) and delete template. Don't merge anything that the new template can already do, and only merge specific features if actually needed. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy with that outcome, too. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Pacific Ocean Blue

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Not needed, links already included at more comprehensive {{Dennis Wilson}} navbox --woodensuperman 12:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Holland (album)

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Only three of the songs in the tracklisting have articles. All the outtakes redirect to the album article. --woodensuperman 12:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:How-to

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Propose merging Template:How-to with Template:Manual.
These seem to say the same thing, in different words ("contains instructions, advice, or how-to content"/ "written like a manual or guide").

Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge which way?
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Template:IranNCSGN

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No point in external link template for a dead link. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: If kept per Frietjes, then convert to a full citation template and not leave it in this mixed-state. Gonnym (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:As It Is

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Only three albums. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bethany Cosentino

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Only one album and one featured single to her credit doesn't meet the threshold of WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Christian political parties in the Netherlands

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We already have Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands. I believe these templates per ideology make the template lists too cluttered, especially for active parties. Dajasj (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 2

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Template:Capharnaum

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All album articles are redirects, leaving only 3 band member links. Musician navboxes should include links to albums or other releases per guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Navbox. Mika1h (talk) 23:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers

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This writer-specific navbox violates WP:FILMNAV, which says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This navbox is causing exactly the problem that WP:FILMNAV warns about. For example, The Lego Batman Movie has five screenwriters, and this navbox makes it seem like only McKenna and Sommers wrote that film. Spider-Man: Homecoming had six screenwriters. Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle had four screenwriters. These misframings are exactly why WP:FILMNAV exists. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I don't think that with this many writers for each film, they can be considered a primary creator for any but maybe one of these entries. --woodensuperman 14:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NI district density rank

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No transclusions. I asked the templates' creator about them, and they said that they do not think the templates will be used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Disney Channel co-productions

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Way too cluttered to provide a useful navigation function, no article on the subject of the navbox, not really a suitable topic for a navbox. --woodensuperman 12:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Israel European Baseball Championship record

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Table template with only two transclusions. Content could easily be merged into articles that use it. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fifty State Initiative

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Contains only loosely related characters who make a cameo/appearance in a single series, amongst their other numerous appearances across hundreds of works of media. Fails navbox guidelines for topics requiring some sort of close relation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Medcabbox

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WP:MEDCAB was a very informal process for resolving content disputes. It was shut down in 2012. We don't have similar banners for things like previous filings at WP:DRN/WP:RFC/WP:ARBCOM, which would certainly be more relevant. Maybe not relevant enough for a banner, but more relevant than a lighthearted event from 10+ years ago. Given that each banner has a hidden cost of banner bloat, we should delete it. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Most intense landfalling Atlantic hurricanes (HSI)

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Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hurricane Severity Index - this scale has only been proposed and used by a private company to compete with the indexes that the National Weather Service uses. It is not significantly covered by any major, reliable sources that are independent of the subject, making it a non-notable scale, and the sources that are used for its information have not been updated since 2008. Therefore, I believe this template should be deleted as well. ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 04:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:GHSA Class AAAAAAA Region 1

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Unused navboxes with no links, no main article, and all are empty. The class seven bracket/divison has been elimnated. All of them were blanked in November of this year. Has no use for the foreseeable future.

A similar discussion for the main navbox linking all these eight navboxes was nominated for deletion on November 29. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 1

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Template:List spam

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Redundant to {{Promotional}} (into which {{Advert}} was recently merged) or to {{Promotional section}}. Has only seven transclusions, which can be replaced by one or other of those (e.g. [1]).

Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Sandbox

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Blanked after a group editnotice was created. No longer needed, apparently. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool

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Editnotice blanked as having been unnecessary for a long time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wdtable row/lighthouse10 and similar subpages

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Unused template subpages created in 2021 and 2022, and last modified in 2022. No incoming links from discussions to explain why they were created. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Group/Wikipedia talk:Usernames for administrator attention and similar blank editnotices from 2011

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These blank editnotices were created in 2011 with the summary "Creating blank edit notice to suppress default talk editnotice". As far as I can tell, there is no longer, if there ever was, a default editnotice in Wikipedia talk space. When I edit Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, for example, which does not have a group or page editnotice, I do not see an editnotice. I think these blank Template-space pages are no longer serving any purpose. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Since they are blanked and there is no default edit notice for these pages, they are not doing anything. Gonnym (talk) 11:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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November 30

Template:Deprecated stub

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No transclusions. There is limited discussion linking to this template, most of which is from 2010, when it was created. I don't know if it was ever used, or just transcluded in one place until recently, when it showed up on the unused template reports.

It may be redundant to {{Deprecated template}}.

If it is used only sometimes, it should have {{transclusionless}} added to its documentation, with an explanation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not entirely redundant to {{Deprecated template}}. It's always substituted rather than transcluded, and is only used rarely. Not sure how many stub templates it currently (or ever) been used on, but deprecated stub templates are usually cleared quickly and either deleted or redirected. Don't think losing it will cause much problem. Originally it was made because a few parent stub types were regularly sorted out (e.g., {{geo-stub}} to all its by-country children), and someone who didn't know how stubbinng worked would nominate the emptied template for deletion. I think there are other templates that will stop that happening though. Grutness...wha? 04:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm not sure there is even reason to merge anything if the usage is so low. It's also not setup as a subst only template so I don't think that statement is correct. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Egyptian royal family

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Page contains less than five people, all of whom are closely related and would already be linked together, limiting its usefulness. 2601:249:9301:D570:9061:13F5:EDBD:C800 (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to a bottom navigation template, which takes less visible space. Remove non-links. This has enough links for a viable navigation template. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As pointed out in the next comment, such a template already exists in Template:Muhammad Ali dynasty. 98.228.137.44 (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:CURRENTCENTURY

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This could easily be manually updated by hand since centuries only change every 100 years, and I don't even think Wikipedia will last that long. If it somehow does the current century can easily be changed. TheWikipedetalk 16:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 00:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – it seems marginally more useful than {{CURRENTMILLENNIUM}} (which was deleted three years ago), since there's a nonzero chance that Wikipedia templates will still be around in some form in 75 years. As Jonesey said, it's also more self-documenting. As for "manually updating by hand", @MouseCursor:
  • Are you proposing to just edit the template to hard-code the current century? Then TfD isn't really the place to propose that. Start a discussion on its talk page, or be bold.
  • Are you proposing to subst and delete the template? Then it couldn't easily be changed anymore!
jlwoodwa (talk) 05:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Jonesey95 & no reason to make it harder to update the century. Just set it and forget it.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 27

Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1972

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Unused copy/paste without attribution duplicate of Template:1972 railway accidents, Template:1973 railway accidents, Template:1974 railway accidents, Template:1975 railway accidents, Template:1976 railway accidents, Template:1977 railway accidents, and Template:1978 railway accidents . Gonnym (talk) 11:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – 'Railway accidents and incidents in xxxx' is the format currently accepted within Wikiproject Trains for these templates, as opposed to the old 'xxxx railway accidents' format. However, all existing 'Railway accidents and incidents in xxxx' (about forty of them, from 1972 to 2022 or so) were erroneously created as copy-paste from the old templates, instead of the old templates being moved to the new title. I'm not sure what's the best way to tidy this up. All years before 1972 will now be done the proper way; for later years' templates I suppose some admin action is required to sort them out. --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    History merge is needed for those that aren't tagged here. These can be deleted and then the current one moved. Gonnym (talk) 12:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's not that the template content is the same between old and new templates (I'm talking about template years 1979-2022): the content has been reformatted to make it neater and more legible, which was the main idea behind the migration from the old style templates to the new ones. The content of the new templates should be preserved; only the histories should be merged. --Deeday-UK (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, including history where possible. See also User talk:The Emperor of Byzantium#Railway accidents and incidents in 1979. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 14:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the new ones, which have no significant history. If there is a new consensus name, the existing templates can be moved to the new name(s). – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it's not that simple, it's not just a case of WP:CUTPASTE: the old template's content was reformatted and then put into the new templates, giving a neater and more legible layout based on the {{vad}} template. Deleting the new templates would wipe out a lot of good reformatting work that was indeed backed by project consensus on both the new template's name and its new layout. I'd be happy to do the work required to sort out this cock-up (since I did most of the aforementioned reformatting work), although I'm not an admin (nor do I aspire to become one), so I'm a bit limited in what I can help with. --Deeday-UK (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – To clarify the work that was done here: compare the old template for the year 2002 with the new one. It's not just that the name has changed; the content is significantly different (and is laid out in a much improved format in the new template). Any action intended to restore the full template history should ensure that the current content is preserved. --Deeday-UK (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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November 23

Module:Archive/sandbox2

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Unnecessary fork, hasn't been updated in over five years. – 🌻 Hilst (talk | contribs) 13:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is still a viable approach to solving a still-present user-visible bug in the template. DMacks (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I pinged the current talkpage regarding the bug, so it's now part of an active discussion. Hopefully the bug will get fixed (in which case, sandbox not need) or this TFD has reminded me to take another look at it. DMacks (talk) 17:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I moved this when moving the module for a merge, but the sandbox2 page is not needed. Like the nominator says, it hasn't been used in years. Rjjiii (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. SandboxN pages should only be kept if work is still being done to them. These are not pages we should keep indefinitely. Gonnym (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It it literally linked in an active discussion. DMacks (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where? "What links here" has no "Talk" namespace link there other than your talk page from the TfD notification. Gonnym (talk) 18:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template_talk:Archive#Later_archives_not_linked,_take_n+1 the diff link in my "(alternately..." comment from 12:12, 24 November 2024. DMacks (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, you used a URL and not a wikilink so there would be no way for it to appear on the link list. That said, calling it an active discussion is a bit of a stretch, as it was only active after the sandbox was nominated. If it wouldn't have been nominated, the template would likely continued to be forgotten. Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your ABF is noted. Seems pretty simple to consider that things get forgotten-about until someone else notices to remind one to revisit and act. Otherwise it would be forbidden to object to XFD of anything that was ignored for a while. As can be seen from several recent XFD of my old items, I have no problem letting things be deleted (or even explicitly endorsing such) when I no longer have current plans to act use them. DMacks (talk) 22:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your ABF is noted, well when you try and make it seem that my argument was incorrect on the verge of lying, yes, I have no problem with you assuming whatever you want. Gonnym (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete or move to a user sandbox if the user wants to keep working on it. Frietjes (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 14

Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League

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Propose merging Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League with Template:WikiProject Cricket.
These 4 projects were redirected into the newly created Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Asia cricket task force. They should now use the project banner with a new asia parameter like {{WikiProject Cricket|asia=yes}}. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose merge, these templates could instead be converted into wrapper templates for {{WikiProject Cricket}} by using the following code,
{{WikiProject Cricket{{{{{|safesubst:}}}ifnotempty|{{{class|}}}|{{{{{|safesubst:}}}!}}class{{{{{|safesubst:}}}=}}{{{class|}}}}}|Asia=yes}}

@Gonnym: It could be done once the draft banner in Template:WikiProject Cricket/sandbox is moved to the main one. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vestrian24Bio please explain how exactly that wrapper with the parameter |Asia=yes works with your oppose. Gonnym (talk) 15:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: If a wrapper template like below for example has been added to a page, it will be substituted as the following one,
  • {{WikiProject Example|class=C}} will substitute as {{WikiProject Cricket|class=C|Asia=yes}}
  • {{WikiProject Example}} will substitute as {{WikiProject Cricket|Asia=yes}}
Tools like WP:RATER has native support for wrapper templates and will substitute them directly. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Category:WikiProject Africa banner wrapper templates for some examples... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 04:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd take a look at those pages you'd see that I've edited a lof of them. My point was that you can't use |Asia=yes as it doesn't exist. Why doesn't it exist? Because you just opposed it's addition. Gonnym (talk) 06:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in this situation a wrapper is incorrect. The wrapper does not set |Pakistan Super League=yes, |Indian Premier League=yes so a user using these would end up with an unexpected result, unlike Template:WikiProject Angola which does set |Angola=yes. Gonnym (talk) 06:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't oppose the addition of |Asia=, I opposed the template merger which would result in the previous templates being left as redirects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 09:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: Let's keep the discussion here only then.
Now, what would exactly be done if the TfD is made consensus to merge... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: The edit request I placed on the talk page involved the implementations of,
  • FormerFA, FormerFL, FormerGA, Current event and Cricket Collaboration
  • Re-worded text for |MAIN_TEXT=
  • New image for |IMAGE_LEFT=
  • Taskforces for ICC, Women's cricket, Africa, Americas, Europe and EAP
How any of these are related to this discussion??? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issues with the first 3 bulleted points, I oppose the task force one as I've explained being a separate discussion from the merge as the merge was the exact point of it and we would end up here anyways, which is a WP:DISCUSSFORK. Gonnym (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the task force, I've explained above, that adding |Asia=yes to the template will allow for the merger of these 4 templates, which you've opposed. Additionally, you've proposed making them wrappers, but that adds more confusion as they don't produce the result a user would expect to get from them, as they aren't a 1:1 wrapper, but a wrapper of a redirected name. That's isn't really helpful. Gonnym (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym: But, what about the other 6 task forces; they are freshly new ones-no mergers - we can add them to the banner now as they are unrelated to the TfD. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this project the question was regarding a merge of four Asian projects, but at the end of the discussion you proposed creating additional task forces. Are you sure that is the actual consensus there? See KjjjKjjj's comment My only main concern is that some of the task forces might be inactive most of the time due to little coverage. Creating task forces pre-emptively where no one actually said they'll be a part of and which would stay inactive isn't helpful. I'd say close the ones you created (other than Asia) and wait until a group of editors actually want to work in that area. Note that there is a lot of maintenance required for task forces, even inactive ones (categories, templates, gnoming, etc.). Gonnym (talk) 14:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a clear consensus for Asia task force (see the comments of that discussion, task force was endorced by me too, despite initially proposing a merge). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force

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Propose merging Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force with Template:WikiProject Musicians.
At the TfD 1 year ago, it was suggested to merge Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force with Template:WikiProject Musicians.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym, Cyfal, and WikiCleanerMan: pinging all participants of the previous TfD.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'll be a little rude and just say completely delete. There were many WikiProjects created for single artists and bands which unsurprisingly are inactive or just flat out dead. The last non-bot related post on that project page was 15 years ago. Just delete and get rid of stale projects. We should stop supporting indefinitely stuff like this. And this goes for most music artist projects. Gonnym (talk) 17:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Completed discussions

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