- Added Lucyintheskywithdada (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) per [1] Guy (Help!) 18:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
Lwachowski (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
AWachowski (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Ugesum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Creationcreator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Report submission by
Bksimonb (talk) 16:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Evidence
A series of accounts that revert the BKWSU article to a preferred version against consensus of other editors and taunt the other editors in the edit comments, trolling discussion pages or making accusations of meatpuppetry or article ownership. The reverts usually re-introduce material from several months ago. Although the accounts are not active simultaneously they all behave disruptively. It is necessary to show that these are all, in fact, the same user so that evidence can be prepared for a arbcom "request for clarification" regarding the article. Otherwise, this user can keep changing his name and fresh-starting. The Lwachowski/AWachowski accounts have already been disabled due to being similar to names of famous real people however Ugesum and reationcreator have popped up since then carrying on in the same style.
Evidence of disruptive reverts [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
Evidence of trolling [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]
- Comments
I think you've got enough evidence there to bother ArbCom. I didn't look at all the diffs, but I glanced at a few of them, and I scanned the contib logs. The pattern of persistent edit warring and incivility by these users is very troubling, and I'm not surprised that the two main accounts are indef-blocked. The activity should be recent enough to allow for checkuser on Ugesum. Maybe you could check if you typed in the name of Reationcreator correctly: I didn't see any contribs by him.
There is definitely enough evidence to warrant a checkuser. When you request clarification for ArbCom, they can do a checkuser for you. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 00:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks so much for taking the time to investigate this. I did misspell the last username. This is corrected now. This user also has done nothing to the article but revert to his previous incarnation's preferred version and troll an AFD I filed. Regards Bksimonb (talk) 06:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Bksimonb has previously filed numerous checkuser and sockpuppet reports against what seem to be every other contributor, and the BKs have made further allegations, so it might be good to ask him to list them all, e.g. [17].
- If we look at the early edits from Awachowski, they are clearly stated notices, attempts and discussion to have the user name changed due to a lost password. This discounts it from being a sockpuppet account [18], [19] etc. The rest of the edits are constructive adding citations, correcting formatting and punctuation.
- Let us be clear what is going on here. BK Simon b is the organization's own Internet PR man, part of their core Internet PR Team along with other BK contributors such as Appledell (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), Riveros11 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and others. Since their involvement in the topic, there has been a skillful and persistent effort to control WP:OWN the article and exclude other independent, informed contributors with the help of IPSOS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). There has been a huge investment in time and energy to do so by numerous means; endless complaints and accusations, constantly pejorative language and the use and misleading of other independent contributors, even adminstrators.
- This is supported by off Wikipedia correspondence and meetings within the BKWSU.
- In particular, the BKWSU seeks to hide the centrality of its use of spirit mediumship, channelling and possession as it is also involved with seeking status and influence within politics, such as through the United Nations, governmental offices and the corporate world. And inparticular, it seeks to avoid reference to an independent and informed website that makes public its practises, the mediumistic channelled messages its uses as scriptures and for guidance (http://www.brahmakumaris.info) and offers support for victims of its practises.
- Even the Scientology topic allows independent and critic weblinks.
- The BKWSU teaches that its main mediums have been, and are still are, possessed by a spirit it claims is God and who speaks to its followers in person, making numerous and failed predictions of the End of World since the 1930s, re-writing them while the organization profits from followers donations. BK sit each day, every day, at 6.30 am to listen to these teachings and visit the Indian headquarters to witness it performed in person.
- Any administrator looking at this issue for the first must bear this motivation and the degree of motivation involved here. I appreciate that Wikipedia adminstrators can only be expected to give cursory looks over such skillful and well present accusations but this calculate attempt to control topics on the BKWSU, even to the point of the persistent deletion of other such articles [20] - which he does not mention is also BKWSU related - so the organization can focus on this one. Giving a shock example and claiming to another BK contributor that these topics were only being edited by "written by people that really hated the BKWSU". So is their world view. [21]
- The accuser is current involved in an indentical pattern of edit-warring/reversion with other BKWSU contributors, as previously noted, here [22]
- Thank you so much for giving such a detailed analysis. That's quite an achievement for an editor who has only made 17 edits at time of writing. Perhaps you should have posted in the Evidence section since you are clearly demonstrating that you are indeed the same user changing accounts again. Well done! 11:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bksimonb (talk • contribs)
- Conclusions
Editing and date sequence of user names is pretty convincing. All blocked and tagged. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]